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1. #301
   On May 5th, 2008 at 9:12 pm, Rusty said:

   The way things look the Rainbow Flag will be protected before “Old Glory” does which makes be want to lose my lunch. Mark my words.

   On a city level, you’re probably right. And I promise you that if my city tried something like that, I’d be first in line to complain.

2. #302
   On May 5th, 2008 at 9:14 pm, Dimsdale said:

   300 posts later:

   Bill Ayers is a terrorist, and admits to being one. His stomping on the flag was the act of someone that really doesn’t deserve the country he lives in. While legally permissible, it is neither advised or in good taste, and surely not what most would consider patriotic. If someone takes sufficient offense and punches you, it is a chance you take. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from responsibility. (By the way lgm, running out the statute clock prior to a prosecution is not evidence of innocence).

   Bottom line: Obama is defined by the company he keeps. He can’t get away from that, and the hole he has dug for himself over decades is getting deeper all the time. He should hire people to tell him what will cause political suicide. We are going to have to call mine rescue before long.

3. #303
   On May 5th, 2008 at 9:57 pm, gunslingerpatriot said:

   Rusty #301
   Time to put your $$$ where your keyboard is and here is my challenge to you and the liberals on this board:

   I will attempt to burn two flags in a park in front of lots of people; 1) The American Flag first, wait 30 minutes, and then 2) a Rainbow Flag. No speeches, no quoting scripture, just silence as I torch each flag on a BBQ grill to see which burning flag raises the most concern or which one gets me arrested and/or charged with a hate crime.

   If history is any indication (read Philadelphia 5) then I expect to be arrested, charged with a hate crime for orientation discrimination and possibly fired from my summer job.

   If nothing happens, then I will donate $100 to the liberal cause of your choise.

   If I am arrested, or threatened with arrest then you must donate $100 to MM’s favorite charity or the Disabled American Veterans organization.

   GSP

4. #304
   On May 5th, 2008 at 10:02 pm, feebiebabe said:

   #304 posts later and Rusty still won’t respond to the College Republican burning of Hamas Flags at SFSU?

   SHoooccckkkaahh!

5. #305
   On May 5th, 2008 at 10:08 pm, GaMidnightRider said:

   On May 5th, 2008 at 5:55 pm, USMCgramma said:
   Freedom of speech is a precious right – but it doesn’t excuse lies, crude, rude and stupid remarks. /s/WWII Gold Star Sister Semper Fi

   GaMidNightRider snaps to attention and salutes you. Thank you for the honor of allowing me to thank you.

   SEMPER FI

6. #306
   On May 5th, 2008 at 11:45 pm, alaskangrizzly said:

   Just a piece of cloth? Is the White House just a building? Is the Statue of Liberty just another statue?

   How far we have fallen. Free speech? It is no more free speech than pornography on public library computers. The Supreme Court may have decided it was a freedom of expression and in the process destroyed centuries of flag codes and respect due the one thing the whole world knows is the symbol of America. The symbol of the most free nation on the planet that millions of veterans have fought under that flag and many of them died fighting for what it represents.

   Just a piece of cloth? Be thankful that vets are generally law abiding, because there are a lot of hippies and commies and other America haters who would come to know what it means to disrespect America if we were not law abiding.

   It is the soldier, not the reporter, Who has given us freedom of the press.
   It is the soldier, not the poet, Who has given us freedom of speech.
   It is the soldier, not the organizer, Who has given us the freedom to demonstrate.
   It is the soldier, Who salutes the flag, Who serves beneath the flag, And whose coffin is draped by the flag, Who allows the protestor to burn the flag. –(Chaplain) Dennis Edward O’Brian, USMC

   But not on my watch, Semper Fi.

7. #307
   On May 5th, 2008 at 11:48 pm, gunslingerpatriot said:

   AKGrizzly-well said!

   GSP

8. #308
   On May 6th, 2008 at 7:28 am, Danceswithdachshunds said:

   alaskangrizzly said: (306)
   

   How far we have fallen. Free speech? It is no more free speech than pornography on public library computers. The Supreme Court may have decided it was a freedom of expression and in the process destroyed centuries of flag codes and respect due the one thing the whole world knows is the symbol of America. The symbol of the most free nation on the planet that millions of veterans have fought under that flag and many of them died fighting for what it represents.

   And the Supreme Court got that one right because if it is not a form of ‘political expression’ then what is that gets some people so upset to see it?

   Answer me truthfully, would you be more proud to live in a country where 99.999999% of the people might be respecting the flag because of a law, (like in China or Cuba for example), or a country where there is ZERO doubt that the respect from 99.999999% can only be coming from one place – each individual’s heart?

   Our country is of, by, and for PEOPLE so I’ll take the latter thank you. It is something that makes me proud and I won’t let myopic people like you take that pride away from me.

9. #309
   On May 6th, 2008 at 10:39 am, alaskangrizzly said:

   Well, I’d rather be short-sighted in your view than let people destroy the symbol of freedom. You may see it as a 2 year old throwing a temper tantrum, I see it as a grown adult openly showing they are no better than the terrorists who destroyed the WTC, damaged the Pentagon, and killed thousands of innocents by acting in the same fashion as said terrorists when they burn the symbol of freedom.

   And unlike you, I will not stand idly by while morons like lgm and company pass legislation making it illegal to burn a rainbow flag, while burning an American flag is in fashion. Typical Liberal Hypocrisy. I will fight that hypocrisy, because some things are worth fighting for. And to me, the flag I served under and still live under means more to me than some commies right to spit on my service or my fellow vets service. Yes, they are trying to provoke anger. And yes, we know they are trying to provoke anger. But you’re suggesting that we shouldn’t drop to their demands and just ignore it. That may work well and fine with some things, but if we will not stand up and fight for freedom then you will quickly find yourself lacking those freedoms.

10. #310
    On May 6th, 2008 at 2:27 pm, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    You’re wrapping your flag in your military service yet there are many veterans who agree with me on this issue and do not want the flag to suddenly stand for something lower than the one they fought for, what it stands for right now. If you think an amendment will protect our flag from being desecrated, the amendment will leave a stain that ain’t gonna wash off.

    I’m an equal opportunity opponent against ‘hate crime’ legislation whether its the rainbow flag or Old Glory; so you won’t find any traction against me there.

    Like I tried to say, our country is not a flag, it is not coastlines, mountains, plains and rivers, it is PEOPLE with a precious Constitution written to guarantee rights. And our flag is not only the symbol of the Constitution – it is the symbol of the PEOPLE living that document. Almost every single one of those people respect our flag from their heart like I do and I am proud of that fact! You are not proud of that fact?

    Burning a symbol does nothing to burn what the symbol symbolizes. You’ll find no scars on me from seeing some idiot burn our flag and doubt that you could find any on yourself. But if you pass a law against flag burning, the FEW idiots that ever desecrated our flag will be laughing and dancing in the streets victorious. Those few will relish being able to claim that they forced an entire country to place a limit on our First Amendment just because of them. Then THEY will be proud – and the first time they were ever correct.

11. #311
    On May 6th, 2008 at 3:29 pm, alaskangrizzly said:

    I don’t think either one of us is going to convince the other who is correct and who values the Constitution and the flag more.

    There are already limits (not outlined in the Constitution) on free speech and expression. Yelling fire in a movie theatre, yelling bomb on an airplane, running naked through the streets… will all get you arrested in most places. And for centuries the flag was in the same boat, a protected item that was a slight impingement on free speech that millions of Americans had no problem with for over 200 years.

    Then the Supreme Court decides it belongs under freedom of expression to burn the flag. So now, because of that, if we make an Amendment to restore the dignity the flag once held for 200 years under flag codes we take away a section of freedom of speech given after the fact. You argue that would set a dangerous example of future abuses, and I would have to agree sadly that it probably would open the door to what is currently being pushed as hate crimes when it is really free speech. Europe is paying the heavy toll right now for allowing the PC mentality to run amok and hate crimes bills to be passed. Which is why that famous lady in France is facing charges for calling Islam a religion of death or something like that. Here in the US that is still protected free speech, in France and much of Europe not so much anymore. And that will be Europe’s downfall, their own laws used against them.

    So I see your point, and in these deranged times when liberals run amok I could see the lesser of the two evils being allowed to happen to preserve free speech in the future. But the Supreme Court saying so doesn’t make it right, just like Roe vs Wade didn’t make abortion right it just made it legal.

12. #312
    On May 6th, 2008 at 4:11 pm, wighttrasch said:

    If they’ve died to preserve a piece of cloth, it’s a horrible waste.

    It’s not a piece of ‘cloth’–it’s a symbol. You know, those thingies that the liberal fascists love to throw up for our adulation? Quilts? Candles lit outside death row? Body bags on the parking lot of big Tobacco? Chaining oneself to a tree? The liberals scream & spray spittle when someone tries to come between them & their precious symbols. God forbid we should hold something, that is enduring & represents so much, so dearly.

13. #313
    On May 6th, 2008 at 5:58 pm, gunslingerpatriot said:

    Rusty and the other trolls
    Re: Post 303

    What is with you guys? Not willing to take me up on the challenge?

    Is it because you know that conservatives are right when it comes to the misapprobiation of hate crimes laws that they target our free speech and not yours?

    Offer is on the table…..

    GSP

14. #314
    On May 6th, 2008 at 6:02 pm, alaskangrizzly said:

    They are too busy suffering from TLHS (Typical Liberal Hypocrisy Syndrome) better known as “do as I say not as I do” to take you up on that offer GSP.

15. #315
    On May 6th, 2008 at 8:08 pm, gunslingerpatriot said:

    Silly me, I thought they were suffering from a coloncranioinversion.

    GSP