Flag desecration of the day: Bill Ayers stomps on Old Glory
Here’s your Monday morning blood pressure-raiser.
Put your coffee down before clicking.
The full Chicago Magazine article, titled “No Regrets,” is here with the color photo.
You know, conversations about that photo will not help the Obamas’ kids…
And in case you missed it, make sure you read John Murtaugh’s piece on how the Weather Underground terrorists tried to kill his family. Video here.
Like the Arizona Republic editorial board put it today: The 60s just won’t go away.
Here’s your letter of the morning from Greg Phares in today’s WSJ:
Elizabeth Wurtzel (“Obama’s Other Radical Friends,” op-ed, May 2) can be forgiven her youthful fascination with radical bomber Bernardine Dohrn. We all have ideas at 15 that seem silly from the perspective of middle age. Barack Obama’s reported close relationship with Ms. Dohrn and Bill Ayers is much more troubling and raises legitimate questions about his judgment and maturity.
In a 33-year law-enforcement career I had occasion to arrest many charming criminals. One of the most engaging was a California radical, rapist and prison escapee associated with the Symbionese Liberation Army (remember them?) who was living in Louisiana. When, after an intensive undercover investigation, I confronted him with his true name, he stuck out his hand and said “You must have talked to them in Oakland.” Indeed I had, and what I learned was chilling.
From all accounts, Mr. Ayers and Ms. Dohrn are equally charming. That does not nullify their crimes. Placing a bomb is one of the most evil of acts because the effects of a bomb are totally indiscriminate and incredibly devastating. Just ask a young Iraq War veteran who will live the rest of his or her life minus body parts. Just ask the families of those killed by Timothy McVeigh in the Federal Building in Oklahoma City.
There is little moral difference between Mr. Ayers and Ms. Dohrn and McVeigh. Timothy McVeigh was simply a less charming individual and a more successful bomber. He received just punishment for his crime. Mr. Ayers and Ms. Dohrn did not.
Greg Phares
Baton Rouge, La.
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Previous: Barack and Michelle and Bill and Bernardine: The Obama/Weather Underground compendium
Also: I linked Tom Maguire’s excellent post last week, but here it is again for those who might have an opportunity to subject Obama to the Ayers/Obama/Chicago Annenberg challenge. An excerpt (go to the posts for all the links):
One might well ask – how would Obama characterize his involvement with the Chicago Annenberg Challenge Fund?
…How closely did Obama work with the fund’s executive director, Ken Rolling (and what does Mr. Rolling have to say about this)?
What did Obama know of Bill Ayers’ involvement (which the rest of us now know to be extensive)?
Eventually, the CACF was viewed as a failure (the final report says it had “little impact”) – what did Obama learn from that?
Finally, there is a question of shared values; setting aside Ayers’ bomb-tossing proclivities of the 70′s, he has a very hard left approach to education; for example, he explained to Hugo Chavez and a Venezuelan audience that public education was a way to promote the revolution…How much of this did Obama know then? Or is this just another situation, as with Jeremiah Wright, where Obama simply didn’t know anything about the fellow with whom he was associating?
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Obama is incapable of bringing change to Washington via electoral politics. That is passe since Reagan.
Hillary is surging just in time to torpedo the Obama campaign.
If elected, Hillary will nominate the puerile bagman to the Supreme Court.
His eyes are secretly on that prize. Job for life. Making Change from the Bench.
It’s how it’s done these days.
Bush was only 9 at the time..
When you add America hating Ayers and America hating Wright and the “I’ve never been proud of my country” wife, Obama’s refusal to wear a US flag pin might take on a little more meaning than it would otherwise. Is it just coincidence that all of his associations seem anti-America?
What do they have to do with the Cherokee?
It’s all a matter of timing. Of course we don’t want an Obama presidency…the only thing worse is a Clintons presidency. So cool it until after Obama is the nominee, then go after him. I fear that if Clintons are the nominee, they might win over McCain, then we are screwed. Oh well, we’re screwed no matter who wins.
Burning a flag is a insult to my country, my friend who died in the beruit barracks bombing, and every other american who has died for this country. From my past relatives who was hung as regulators prior to the revolutionary war (our side)to the Marines who were killed by a roadside in Iraq.
Burning a flag is WRONG.
What an appalling sight to see, and absolute disgrace to demonstrate.
Old Glory stands for so much in everyone’s lives worldwide and is a recognized symbol of Freedom including those that abuse it.
As a Canadian I put Old Glory right next to the Red Ensign and the Maple Leaf as the staple symbols of the freedoms I enjoy and strive to protect.
This clown needs to be decked. Violence is not always the answer but when you can’t reason with the unreasonable they need a jolt to know their place!
#35 rusty said:
If a limp-wrist like Bill Ayers did this in my parents’ neighborhoods when they grew up (Brooklyn/Queens) he would have probably spent the rest of his days working in a glass-sorting warehouse, sipping his dinner through a straw.
Rusty, I can’t help but imagine that if an overwhelming majority of the men who gave their lives, on the shores of Tripoli to the sands of Fallujah, read your quote above, they might demand a full retraction.
Like it is said, you are who you associate with and there are no exceptions to that. Obama’s lack of good judgement in those in his world is just another reason out of many how horrible B.Hussein Obama would be for President.
Ayers is scum and why on earth he would even get hired anywhere by anyone is unforgivable.
I laugh at Rusty and his moronic high school attempts to justify flag burning.
Like most juvenile idiots, Rusty has just enough knowledge of our Constitution to play little Sophomore games.
He defends flag burning as a right, but he doesn’t denounce it as an American.
There is a simple test of Rusty’s limp wristed liberals standards.
Ask Rusty what he thinks of someone calling a homosexual a faggot.
That sends shivers down the spine of a liberal. Free speech vs. Hate speech I believe they call it.
Well if calling a homosexual “faggot” is hate speech.
What kind of speech is burning the flag?
Game set match.
Americans don’t have constitutional rights to Not to be Offended. A person doesn’t hate his country just because he refuses to fly into a blind rage at the sight of some moron standing on a flag 7 freaken years ago. There are more important issues to get all in a tizzy about.
mistressjustice,
I dont agree with your second post about the flag…but i couldnt agree with you more about this part.
*hat tip*
This is symbolic, yes. Ask Ayers and Obama just what they mean by doing this. What are they saying? What is it about America that they do not like? Questions?
Yes, Answers, not too many.
#112
The US flag is not unimportant to me and many others. Perhaps, your mindset does not accept and see that, fine. But, mine and many others sacrifice and defense of your “justice”, allows me to get “in a tizzy”.
englishqueen. You rode the short bus to school didn’t you.
No one is “FLYING INTO A BLIND RAGE” over anything.
Get a grip.
I notice in true LIBERAL fashion, you felt the need to mitigate Mr. P.O.S Ayers desecration of MY FLAG, by mentioning the picture being 7 years old. Had Mr.Ayers been executed as those who commit TERROR against America should be, he would have dead a lot longer than 7 years.
BTW, yes, the picture is 7 years old.
Are you suggesting that, it’s age is relevant, and that Ayers has shown some sort of contrition?
Please don’t fly into a “blind rage” over my questions.
Abstract-
My first post was a quote from GaMidright Rider. I’m not that insane, and alzheimers hasn’t kicked in yet.
thanks
That’s not a crack on Ga, I just thought it was funny that it looks like I’m arguing two seperate positions in a five minute period:))
#93 said:
Good point, Mike. Bill Ayers is just reminding us of the dark days when leftist pant loads were forced to abort their honor, class and patriotism in back alleys and Greenwich Village townhouses.
Ayers and his Manson fangirl wife live the high life while those two Border Patrol agents rot in jail for shooting a drug smuggler in the butt. What a country indeed.
I hope Bill Ayers reads here, because I have some good information that may help him get his life back on track.
Dear Mr. Ayers,
Secondary or pathological narcissism is a pattern of thinking and behaving in adolescence and adulthood, which involves infatuation and obsession with one’s self, to the exclusion of others. It manifests in the chronic pursuit of personal gratification and attention (narcissistic supply), in social dominance and personal ambition, bragging, insensitivity to others, lack of empathy and/or excessive dependence on others to meet his/her responsibilities in daily living and thinking. Pathological narcissism is at the core of the narcissistic personality disorder.
Hope that helps, but if I ever see you trampling on my Country’s flag in front of me, I may opt to help cure you by “other” therapeutic means..
~ Dan Lee
There are Patriots,
There are excrement in human form.
There is no argument, where Wright, Obama, and Ayers & Dohrn fit in the scheme of American life.
termites
Why is it necessary to insult the mentally handicapped in this discussion? We conservatives should try to show a little more class than the haters on the left.
No rage here libocrat, and I’ll take the high road this time on your silly UNPROVOKED shortbus crack.
Ayers stands on flag. So effing what. He’s an idiot. Those who have suggested he should be hung(Blind rage), don’t understand what it means to be an American. Those who have suggested that they would layout a person who did this in from of them would be arrested and prosecuted for Battery, plain and simple. If I saw somebody desecrating a flag, I’d shake my head and go about my day. This is still the United States of America. If you people resent some of our freedoms, maybe ya’ll are the ones that should consider moving to a more oppressive society. BTW, I’m no hyprocrite, I did a paper in law school defending cross burnings by the Klan.
MistressJustice- Proud American.
I’m sorry valley, I didn’t realize that mentioning the SHORT-BUS was on the NOT-POLITICALLY-CORRECT terms list.
Could you give me the entire list of those terms you find objectionable.
misstress, I couldn’t give a fiddlers fart about you and you law school papers. I do however believe that Ayers should have been FRIED in the electric chair. Not for standing on nor burning the flag, but for being a Terrorist and attacking the U.S..
If you don’t agree with my comments, I suggest you move to a more oppresive society.
You’re not even a challenge mistress. Or is it queen?
So, you think you can use any slur against anyone any cry Political Correctness to cover your ass? The fact that liberals want to enforce political correctness doesn’t mean conservatives can’t have decent manners.
Man, I love it when libs get all angry.
It’s funny watching them try desperately to pretend to be Patriotic.
Valley, get a grip, I said SHORT BUS.
Grow a pair.
It offends me too. Other things that greatly offend me: racist speech, anti-Semitism, homophobia, Holocaust denial, etc.
I have no honor or pride in this country? Please. I have honor and pride in what America represents. This is a country where people can do what they want to protest and as long as no property is being damaged and no one is being hurt, it’s perfectly fine.
American soldiers die in wars in order to continue this tradition. If they’ve died to preserve a piece of cloth, it’s a horrible waste. If they’ve died to preserve our freedoms that make this country the best in the world, then it’s a noble and amazing sacrifice.
Libocrat, I shouldn’t respond to you because you’re behaving like a jerk, but since you questioned how I feel about the terms you mentioned, I guess I’ll bite.
You know Fred Phelps? Protests the funerals of American servicemen? “God Hates Fags!” and all that horrible stuff. He’s an intolerant monster.
But he has every right to say what he has to say. Because here in America that’s a right we all have. Even the worst among us have that right.
If neo-Nazis want to march in a town with a large number of Holocaust survivors, that’s their right too.
I could give two figs if flag burning offends you. Personal offense is no reason to undermine the First Amendment. And if you care more about cloth than you do about freedom, then you’re the one with no honor or pride in this country.
I would do it and be proud to do so cause I love my country and my flag that represents my country and the blood of my botheres and sisters that was shed so people who where no willing to serve. You should read the Marine Corp. hymm but unless you have been in service of this great nation i doubt you would understand…… below is some history for you…
n 1989 the Supreme Court, in response to a flag burning by a communist, amended the Constitution by inserting flag burning into the Bill of Rights. Their decision took away a fundamental right of the American people, a right we possessed since our birth as a nation, the right to protect our flag. We believe that decision was an egregious error and distorted our Constitution. We do not believe the freedom to burn the American flag is a legacy of the freedoms bestowed on us by Madison and Jefferson and Washington and the other architects of our Constitution. To distort the work of these great men, to put flag burning side by side with pornography as protected speech, is outrageous.
mistress,
sorry, was sarcasm. was hoping maybe there’d be a change, but wasnt holding my breath.
Imagine if you did think that way, jsut for a day. see things from another point of view, perhaps?
Question: What was the last thing that went through the minds of Weather Underground bomb makers Theodore Gold, Diana Oughton, and Terry Robbins on March 6, 1970?
Answer: A 37-mm. antitank shell, 57 sticks of dynamite, four 12-inch pipe bombs packed with dynamite and roofing nails, and 30 blasting caps intended for a noncommissioned officers dance at the Fort Dix, New Jersey Army base later that evening.
If you ask me, it couldn’t have happened to a more deserving bunch of leftist libtards. Hey Bill Ayers, here’s to your dead, liberal friends. You donkeywipe.
Sounds like someone is a bit too full of himself.
ATTENTION EVERYONE. ATTENTION.
Valleygreaser has decided that SHORT BUS is a term that is not allowed.
Should you use that term, Valleygreaser will tell you that you lack manners and that you are “slurring” anyone you want.
{{So, you think you can use any slur against anyone any cry Political Correctness to cover your ass?}}
Valleygreaser is the TRUE CONSERVATIVE, and valleygreaser does not APPROVE the words SHORT BUS.
You have all been warned.
mistressjustice said:
Spare me the glib lawyer talk:
Flag Desecration Amendment (1990, 1995, 1997, 1999-2000, 2001, 2003, 2005-2006): Congress has made seven attempts to overrule the U.S. Supreme Court by passing a constitutional amendment making an exception to the First Amendment in order to allow the government to ban flag desecration. In 1990, when the amendment was first brought up, it failed to achieve the necessary two-thirds majority in the House. After the Republican congressional takeover of 1994, it has consistently passed the House but failed in the Senate.
Ayers in reality is a hair shy from being jailed, libtard people like you prevent that though. PS: I’d take great pleasure in arresting KKK members. Of course you wouldn’t because you’re core value is yourself and nothing but yourself. Have a nice day- liberal ofal.
I’m a liberal because I object to demeaning language toward the retarded? What a laugh. As a Ronald Reagan conservative (and military vet) I always thought decent manners were part of my old-fashioned values. Silly me.
Undrsiege, STANDING OVATION.
I liked the part about “spare me the glib lawyer talk”.
You get bonus points for not using the term SHORT BUS.
I liked Mistress’ point about writing a law school paper defending the KKK. That cracked me up.
Is the flag any more or any less a symbol of the USA than The Statue of Liberty?
And the difference between flag burning and cross burnings is? Both are offensive, hateful, un-American acts. It’s consistant that someone would defend both.
The connection between Obama and Ayers actually goes back 20 years. Micheel Obama was an accociate at the law form if Sidley Austin in the late 1980′s. Given the fact that these large law firms typically hire associated based on their summer intern programs, it is likely that she was an intern at the firm before she graduated from law school before she became an associate.
Barak came on as a summer associate at Sidley Austin in 1988. Michelle Robinson was assigned as his “mentor” at the firm.
Also employed at Sidley Austin in 1988 – Bernadette Dohrn. One wonders whether Dohrn was Michelle’s “mentor”.
Dohrn went to work at Northwestern University after working at the law firm. Bill Ayers father was on the board there. Northwestern hired Michelle Obama’s brother as its assistant basketball coach. Michelle Obama was one of the original faculty members at the Asset-Based Community Development Institute at Northwestern University.
It was Michelle Obama who organized a few of the speaking panels on which Barak and Ayers appeared together.
And another tidbit of interest – while serving on the board of the Woods Fund, Barak and Ayers voted to give $75,000 to the Arab American Action Network. That organization was founded by one Rashid Khalidi. Rashid Khalidi has close ties to the PLO and condsiders those who attack Israel as freedom fighters, much like Jeremiah Wright. I may be mistaken, but I seem to recall a screed by Khalidi appearing in one of Trinity Church’s bulletins.
Quite the tangled web.
If displaying a noose is prosecutable as a hate crime, then desecrating the US flag should also be.
Congratulations Valleygreaser, God bless you for your service. I didn’t call you a liberal. You took exception to my using the term SHORT BUS. I am not in anyway apologetic for using that term. If you are sensitive and feel that all “mentally challenged” individuals who ride the SHORT BUS have been slurred, I guess you’ll have to live with your feelings. If you care to try and silence me further and if you care to claim the mantle of Conservatism, I will not stand idly by and take your crap. Ok?
I used the term SHORT BUS. You can take it or leave it. Your choice.
Was that polite enough for you sir?
Again, thank you for your service to our country and God bless.
Underseige, you can’t say you love this country while advocating the arrest of those whose views you find offensive. It can not be done.
Btw, Valleygreaser. I think you make some excellent points. I just do not apologize for using the term I used.
One is a crime the other is not. And that is a crime.
You’re right. As long as the crosses aren’t being displayed on someone else’s property (hate crime!), there should be no legal remedy to prevent it.
No. Displaying a noose is a threat. Desecrating a flag isn’t.
Valley, if you are going to quote someone at least get the right one. englishqueen01 has not posted here. If you want to take on lobocrat, be my guest. Good luck
Rusty, have you ever served ? Let me answer for you. No cause you are too good for that. Your mind set says you are better than that lowly grunt in the mud . Here is a piece of wisdom for you NO.. i trust the grunt alot more than you. He has my back and will be there for me unlike you who would probally run away.
Do you know why the flag is drapped over the coffin of a fallen soldier ? What you call a piece of cloth shows me just what you are. IT IS A REPRESENTATION OF OUR NATION.
I severed with honor and respect for my country. However i bet you did not. If it where not for people like me your lazy ignorant butt would be doing the goose step to work every morning. So next time you see a person in a military uniform of this country go up and thank them, because without them you would be living in a communist country.
So i have one question Rusty? Why did you not ever serve this great country ? What excuse do you have? I served from 1979 till present.
Also why don’t you ask a Vet if you can burn a American flag in there yard… see how well that works out for ya…
Rusty, wouldn’t advocating the arrest of those you disagree with be someone’s right?
Shouldn’t UNDRSIEGE have the same right that you libs claim?
Wouldn’t UNDRSIEGE be advocating CHANGE?
Isn’t that what you libs are seeking?
Should UNDRSIEGE have the right to want certain laws changed?
I mean you sick freaks sure do!
You guys don’t even want guys like Ayers thrown in the hoooskow. But you do want Karl Rove arrested. right?
Keep on it Michelle, Obama can’t hide from this.
Not at all. Mere statement of fact. One of the overriding characteristics of the left, at least as represented here, is their disdain for, or ignorance of, history. That doesn’t mean that I am portraying myself, or consider myself, an expert on the subject.
If it weren’t for people like you, the rights to speech and protest would be endangered. But if you don’t think that includes the right to burn a glad, you’re deluding yourself.
American soldiers fight to preserve freedom. They do not fight for the right to not be offended.
make that libocrat
#143 rusty said:
rusty, is that the reason liberals conveniently abandon the “love of country” variable in your above argument?
sorry libocrat
I want to appologize for feeding the trolls. I will try to ignore them but when they step on my flag it PIS&^%$*%^$ me off.
My apologies to englishqueen. When cutting and pasting a quote of a quote the results can be misleading. I’ll try to be more careful. I knew who I was replying to but it wasn’t clear in the reading. I’m quite done with libocrat. The focus of this thread should remain on the outrageous William Ayers.
Libocrat, you’re lumping me in with a gigantic group of people. No, I do not want Karl Rove to be arrested. No, I do not want “change.” I’m an HRC supporter. And, of course undersiege has the right to say and believe whatever he wants.
I’m just pointing out that he (and you) are wrong when it comes to flag burning. Despicable does not equate to “should be illegal.”
The countries that don’t allow dissidents and flag-burners and people who say outlandish and offensive things are the countries that we end up fighting in war. If you all loved this country so much you’d recognize it. What makes us great is that we put up with this crap and then have the right to call flag burners worthless.
…And there are also connections between Khalidi and Tony Rezko.
Oh yeah, and when Iran’s Ahmadinejad made his infamous appearance at Columbia University, it was Khalidi who was instrumental in brokering that deal.
Ayers standing on my flag is just one more representation of the evil he has done and got away with. It is not an isolated instance that allows those of us who have lost loved ones in service of this country to shake our heads and go about our business.
The short bus remark offended this Mom, but we do have that right!
Hypothetically, if flag burning and association with hateful groups were outlawed tomorrow, then, yes, I would hate this country. Because I don’t love America simply because I was born here. I love it because it gives its citizens liberties that the less fortunate can only dream about. Once we start taking away liberty to prevent someone from being offended, America is dead.
I didn’t know we were competing. Oh well. Fill free to tell all of your friends and family that YOU ARE THE WINNER. On this blog, I’m just person with a keyboard, and opinions…nothing more nothing less. If it makes you feel better to think that you’re someone better than me…..have at it.
Excellant, excellant point.
Yes! Precisely! If there was a right to not be offended, then free speech would be pointless.
First, this is a smokescreen since we’re actually worried about Obama’s judgement (this Michelle’s post). Hanging with guys (and gals) that happily desecrate the flag says something about Obama that’s important to many of us (not his worshippers of course.)
More importantly, these people are unrepentant terrorists. The flag desecration simply shows who Ayers still is. Obama’s cannot have gone to Ayers’ house for a fundraiser and not come away with a picture of who Ayers is, and what he stands for and still claim they were just neighbors.
This is what’s important, not an academic argument over free speech, but Obama’s judgement.
this=thus
Wade.
Burning a cross own your own private property is not a crime in any state that I can think of. Of course burning a cross on the property of another is a crime.
Obama’s =Obama sorry too early…
True that.
I have no right to not be offended. I do, however, have the right to object when I am. Free speech cuts both ways. I may not be able to keep Ayers from desecrating my flag but I can damn sure vote against anybody who calls him friend.
Terrorism is free speech and protected by the First Amendment in what way?
Good, rational, clear headed, point right here.
libocrat, FYI:
Short bus = Tart cart (Lol)
Momma always said you’re judged by the friends you keep.
A spade is a spade a retard is a retard. Liberals without exception are retards not to be confused with the mentally handicapped. There was a time when the law was an honorable profession but today it is a way to get rich off of other peoples misery at the same time telling us how much they benefit our society. The law means nothing when it is selectively enforced these lawyers are a greater threat to all of us than alkayda and all the rest combined. Liberals are used to us remaining silent and now that we are fighting back their heads are ready to explode. Thankfully I doubt it will make much of a mess.
Take a good look at our society from the monster factories (prisons) to the public schools and everything in between it is becoming more and more rotten. Everyday we see a child abducted molested murdered and there are the lawyers swarming all over the vermin hoping to get some more greasy money in their greasy palms. I would be interested to know what the stats are regarding the issuance of law degrees and killing of Americans no doubt there is a correlation. America leads the world only in the number of rotten lawyers that are hatched from the filthy liberal law schools We don’t have the biggest bridge or building in the world we have exchanged that for, well a bunch of lawyers.
If we allow these so called people to run the show as they have for thirty years we will be sitting in front of Sharia court quicker than we can say I want a lawyer. Mind crimes (hate crimes) say no more, that proves the point that liberals do ride the short bus as long as an adult helps them to the bus stop. A person hangs a noose on their own door and then the academic mob goes on the warpath against young white students they search high and low for someone to blame. If that isn’t fricking Naziesque I don’t know what is. You see liberals are ascared of us that’s why they sneak around planting bombs and that’s also why they attack our youth they are in addition to every thing else, cowards.
OFFICIAL LIB-TARD QUOTE OF THE DAY.
Todays winner is Rusty. Rusty gives us this libtard PEARL of WISDON……….
>>>No. Displaying a noose is a threat. Desecrating a flag isn’t.<<<
Please don’t question Rusty’s Patriotism.
#161 rusty said:
I’m not arguing that, I’m asking you if you agree that the liberals, who openly hate America, conveniently avoid your following argument:
when they openly call for the arrest and conviction of those who they disagree with?
Oh dear, I’ve started a SHORT BUS revolution.
Oh dear..
Yes. That’s very well said.
Who said terrorism is protected?
It’s quite sad to see so many people complaining about this simply to just ‘complain’. You provide no ‘solutions’ for this alleged problem, you just try to make it more of a problem. You seem to care more about a ‘symbol’ than you do the country that it is intended to represent. Your attempts to tie so many things together makes your original argument completely invalid. It appears that the Conservatives are no longer ‘for’ anything but ‘against’ everything.
Just to get this out of the way – yes, this is my first commment on Malkin’s blog. No, I am NOT a conservative.
Rusty said:
OK moron riddle me this:
You might have the nads to burn the US Flag but try burning a Rainbow Flag, you’d get your face stomped. How come burning a Rainbow Flag is a crime and burning the US Flag isn’t? Libtard in a box…
Brian, I can’t speak for all liberals. I can only speak for myself. And I’ve tried very hard to use examples that will bother everyone.
It’s important to remember that this issue doesn’t really go along partisan lines. There are plenty on both sides of the aisle who value free speech and free protest over all else. And then there are some liberals and conservatives who would want nothing more than to ban KKK marches or Holocaust denial.
It’s not like I’m reciting liberal talking points. This one of the few times I’ll be on these threads on the same side of an issue as Justice Scalia.
Easy. If something offends ordinary Americans it’s called free speech. If it offends liberals it’s called hate speech.
Burning a rainbow flag isn’t against the law, so, uh, your point is lost on me.
I would expect to get arrested in San Fran for it. They’d invent some legal justification.
Rusty said:
Under the Crimes Act of 2000, burning the Rainbow Flag would be considered a crime. So again, keep riddling.
#179 rusty said:
That’s fair. I was just noticing the irony of America haters, like Ayers and Wright, who are the first to cry “constitutional rights” when their behavior is scrutinized, but who then turn around and label every republican administration’s foreign policy as “criminal” and demand a trial.
I was wondering if they would argue that your following argument doesn’t apply to them:
because they openly state that they don’t love their country; thus rendering their advocation of arrest for those whose views they find offensive as “legitimate.”
Wasn’t this picture of Ayers taken somewhere around the time he was launching Obama’s political career? What was it about Obama that made Ayers think he was his kinda guy? I hope these questions are thoroughly explored once Obama is the nominee.
#179, I damn well CAN say I love my country while advocating the arrest of those whose views I find offensive. You pull a Benedict Arnold, John Andre or any other seditious traitorous act, I’ll do more than advocate.
Stand outside the office of a gay-rights group in San Francisco and burn a rainbow flag. Wear a button that says “God hates Fags.”
Let me know if you get charged with a hate crime.
Really sorry you feel that way!
What about this nation does fill you pride?
For me.
IT’S MY FLAG!!!!
The Irony is, of course, the people who excuse Flag-burning, are the very same people who get “outraged” at the sight of a noose.
Mistress,
I really do not understand how you can not be extremely upset with another American that bombed our capital and police stations, did no jail time and 40 years later is photographed standing on top of Old Glory posing for an article where he states he has no remorse for his actions. In fact he says they did not do enough.
Our fore father would of put this man to death upon a guilty verdict. Either that or tarred and feathered his treasonous ass!
Now we know why Obama wouldn’t wear the flag pin. He was afraid Ayers would stomp on his chest. But now that he has Secret Service protection, he can wear it.
Obama and Clinton, what a pair.
Obama can sit for 20 years listening(?) to the sermons of an avowed black separatist and not hear a word.
Clinton has memory loss every time she is confronted with past white house behavior or actions of her current staff.
And these two feel they are qualified to lead the most complex and powerful nation on earth!
Unbelievable
the know-nothings and do-nothings will get us
LEE
Fred Phelps, with his “God Hates Fags” signs, staged a protest at Matthew Shepherd’s funeral. No arrests were made.
Now, burning a rainbow flag on a gay couple’s doorstep, then we’re talking “hate crime.” But just burning a rainbow flag on your own property or during a larger anti-gay protest…that’s all fine and dandy because our Constitution allows it.
libocrat said:
Congratulations, Rusty. The better your point, the more it annoys the con-tards and the louder they have to shout to drown it out.
#187 said:
I agree. General examples of this include publishing a battle plan, giving intelligence to the enemy and diminishing your capabilities to aid the enemy.
#190 said:
Agreed. It’s my observation that “the shoe on the other foot” test doesn’t always work out well for political liberals and moral/philosophical relativists.
I agree 100%. Furthermore conservatives should not be ridiculed for holding people accountable for their disgraceful actions, or those of their associates. People may claim this right and that. So be it but don’t whine when others pass judgment on moronic behavior.
This whole desecration of the flag issue has been discussed, rehashed, and beaten to death for the past 30 years. (For once, I agree with Rusty.) One of the major problems that laws or amendments that would criminalize desecration of the flag is what is considered desecration? Would the flag only be protected from “hateful actions” or also from careless disrespect? Is wearing American flag clothes disrespectful? How about a towel?
Of course, if America haters are allowed to desecrate the flag then there should be no sanctions for so-called hate speech. If others can burn the American flag, I can burn Rainbow flags to express opposition to gay marriage. I also reserve the right to burn posters with the likeness of Martin Luther King Jr. in public as a way to express my displeasure with affirmative action, or hang nooses for that matter. Since I’m expressing my opinion with these acts I’m sure the liberals will understand this is constitutionally protected free speech.
Welcome to the site troll.
I personally prefer the “speak softly and walk with a big stick” ideal.
But if you’re going to talk, you might want to do so, while remembering stuff you’ve posted elsewhere you claim you didnt even say. I busted that just a bit ago, no?
Rusty makes a valid point, his personal politics aside. But at least he has the class to defend himself without resorting to ad hominem attacks, and manages to do it with a bit of class and intellect. I dont always agree with him, but he’s head and shoulders above you in these things.
You would do well to take his example to heart.
If anything, people here are quite predictable…….
how about responding to my post and not my post count