Flag desecration of the day: Bill Ayers stomps on Old Glory
Here’s your Monday morning blood pressure-raiser.
Put your coffee down before clicking.
The full Chicago Magazine article, titled “No Regrets,” is here with the color photo.
You know, conversations about that photo will not help the Obamas’ kids…
And in case you missed it, make sure you read John Murtaugh’s piece on how the Weather Underground terrorists tried to kill his family. Video here.
Like the Arizona Republic editorial board put it today: The 60s just won’t go away.
Here’s your letter of the morning from Greg Phares in today’s WSJ:
Elizabeth Wurtzel (”Obama’s Other Radical Friends,” op-ed, May 2) can be forgiven her youthful fascination with radical bomber Bernardine Dohrn. We all have ideas at 15 that seem silly from the perspective of middle age. Barack Obama’s reported close relationship with Ms. Dohrn and Bill Ayers is much more troubling and raises legitimate questions about his judgment and maturity.
In a 33-year law-enforcement career I had occasion to arrest many charming criminals. One of the most engaging was a California radical, rapist and prison escapee associated with the Symbionese Liberation Army (remember them?) who was living in Louisiana. When, after an intensive undercover investigation, I confronted him with his true name, he stuck out his hand and said “You must have talked to them in Oakland.” Indeed I had, and what I learned was chilling.
From all accounts, Mr. Ayers and Ms. Dohrn are equally charming. That does not nullify their crimes. Placing a bomb is one of the most evil of acts because the effects of a bomb are totally indiscriminate and incredibly devastating. Just ask a young Iraq War veteran who will live the rest of his or her life minus body parts. Just ask the families of those killed by Timothy McVeigh in the Federal Building in Oklahoma City.
There is little moral difference between Mr. Ayers and Ms. Dohrn and McVeigh. Timothy McVeigh was simply a less charming individual and a more successful bomber. He received just punishment for his crime. Mr. Ayers and Ms. Dohrn did not.
Greg Phares
Baton Rouge, La.
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Previous: Barack and Michelle and Bill and Bernardine: The Obama/Weather Underground compendium
Also: I linked Tom Maguire’s excellent post last week, but here it is again for those who might have an opportunity to subject Obama to the Ayers/Obama/Chicago Annenberg challenge. An excerpt (go to the posts for all the links):
One might well ask – how would Obama characterize his involvement with the Chicago Annenberg Challenge Fund?
…How closely did Obama work with the fund’s executive director, Ken Rolling (and what does Mr. Rolling have to say about this)?
What did Obama know of Bill Ayers’ involvement (which the rest of us now know to be extensive)?
Eventually, the CACF was viewed as a failure (the final report says it had “little impact”) – what did Obama learn from that?
Finally, there is a question of shared values; setting aside Ayers’ bomb-tossing proclivities of the 70’s, he has a very hard left approach to education; for example, he explained to Hugo Chavez and a Venezuelan audience that public education was a way to promote the revolution…How much of this did Obama know then? Or is this just another situation, as with Jeremiah Wright, where Obama simply didn’t know anything about the fellow with whom he was associating?
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Wasn’t this picture of Ayers taken somewhere around the time he was launching Obama’s political career? What was it about Obama that made Ayers think he was his kinda guy? I hope these questions are thoroughly explored once Obama is the nominee.
#179, I damn well CAN say I love my country while advocating the arrest of those whose views I find offensive. You pull a Benedict Arnold, John Andre or any other seditious traitorous act, I’ll do more than advocate.
Stand outside the office of a gay-rights group in San Francisco and burn a rainbow flag. Wear a button that says “God hates Fags.”
Let me know if you get charged with a hate crime.
Really sorry you feel that way!
What about this nation does fill you pride?
For me.
IT’S MY FLAG!!!!
The Irony is, of course, the people who excuse Flag-burning, are the very same people who get “outraged” at the sight of a noose.
Mistress,
I really do not understand how you can not be extremely upset with another American that bombed our capital and police stations, did no jail time and 40 years later is photographed standing on top of Old Glory posing for an article where he states he has no remorse for his actions. In fact he says they did not do enough.
Our fore father would of put this man to death upon a guilty verdict. Either that or tarred and feathered his treasonous ass!
Now we know why Obama wouldn’t wear the flag pin. He was afraid Ayers would stomp on his chest. But now that he has Secret Service protection, he can wear it.
Obama and Clinton, what a pair.
Obama can sit for 20 years listening(?) to the sermons of an avowed black separatist and not hear a word.
Clinton has memory loss every time she is confronted with past white house behavior or actions of her current staff.
And these two feel they are qualified to lead the most complex and powerful nation on earth!
Unbelievable
the know-nothings and do-nothings will get us
LEE
Fred Phelps, with his “God Hates Fags” signs, staged a protest at Matthew Shepherd’s funeral. No arrests were made.
Now, burning a rainbow flag on a gay couple’s doorstep, then we’re talking “hate crime.” But just burning a rainbow flag on your own property or during a larger anti-gay protest…that’s all fine and dandy because our Constitution allows it.
libocrat said:
Congratulations, Rusty. The better your point, the more it annoys the con-tards and the louder they have to shout to drown it out.
#187 said:
I agree. General examples of this include publishing a battle plan, giving intelligence to the enemy and diminishing your capabilities to aid the enemy.
#190 said:
Agreed. It’s my observation that “the shoe on the other foot” test doesn’t always work out well for political liberals and moral/philosophical relativists.
I agree 100%. Furthermore conservatives should not be ridiculed for holding people accountable for their disgraceful actions, or those of their associates. People may claim this right and that. So be it but don’t whine when others pass judgment on moronic behavior.
This whole desecration of the flag issue has been discussed, rehashed, and beaten to death for the past 30 years. (For once, I agree with Rusty.) One of the major problems that laws or amendments that would criminalize desecration of the flag is what is considered desecration? Would the flag only be protected from “hateful actions” or also from careless disrespect? Is wearing American flag clothes disrespectful? How about a towel?
Of course, if America haters are allowed to desecrate the flag then there should be no sanctions for so-called hate speech. If others can burn the American flag, I can burn Rainbow flags to express opposition to gay marriage. I also reserve the right to burn posters with the likeness of Martin Luther King Jr. in public as a way to express my displeasure with affirmative action, or hang nooses for that matter. Since I’m expressing my opinion with these acts I’m sure the liberals will understand this is constitutionally protected free speech.
Welcome to the site troll.
I personally prefer the “speak softly and walk with a big stick” ideal.
But if you’re going to talk, you might want to do so, while remembering stuff you’ve posted elsewhere you claim you didnt even say. I busted that just a bit ago, no?
Rusty makes a valid point, his personal politics aside. But at least he has the class to defend himself without resorting to ad hominem attacks, and manages to do it with a bit of class and intellect. I dont always agree with him, but he’s head and shoulders above you in these things.
You would do well to take his example to heart.
If anything, people here are quite predictable…….
how about responding to my post and not my post count
Abstractmind, you couldn’t bust a junior high pot party.
I’m really not impressed with your running your cake hole.
I’m afraid your claim is invalid and I’m remain un-busted. Run along big shot.
I got a solution for you then troll.
How about make the flags out of non flammable material.
Let me ask you this if I go up to the Statue of Liberty which in all essence is just a symbol of our nation and spray paint F the French what do you think would happen. It’s just a symbol for America right!
When I was growing up the noose was a popular object something about it fascinated many of us boys you might see it doodled on a folder. Many of us wanted to know how to tie one I think it had a lot to do with Nuremburg as well as the westerns that were popular in those days. Throughout our history the noose has been an important symbol of you do this you get that. No wonder they want to outlaw even the image of it isn’t that oh so islamist of them? Today everyone gets worked up because the democrats hijacked that symbol and turned it toward evil, I’m sure that is a shocker huh? I played a lot of hangman in my youth that helped me with spelling and word recognition but I still to this day have never hung anyone, well excepting stick men, I find that incredible. Besides while I might attend a hangin I would let someone else be the hangman. Of course I used to watch the Three Stooges too but haven’t hit anyone in the head with a hammer or lead pipe either. Don’t get me started on that violent hate show Coyote vs. Roadrunner.
air,
i’ll address you personally
There are alot of things I am for and against, and we dont have the time to sit and go over them. For this thread directly, I’m for free speech. I personally detest flag burning. But I also have to uphold what the law states at present is acceptable, like it or not. If they passed a law to prohibit flag burning, i’m all for it. I can’t say its my champion cause, but i dont agree with it either.
How to solve the problem? You can legislate it so that its illegal. That’s really the only fix that works. I would say teach more respect for our country and culture in our schools, but…with people who are running the show now, that most likely wont happen.
Work calls, so…but thats a start.
If you feel that it would make you feel better to spraypaint, then do it. I know that this is just a reflexive statement you are making, but why would you even want to do that? the same question could be posed to Ayers, why does he do what he does? That’s what you have to figure out. You can do something stupid to counter something else stupid, but what have you gained.
In my opinion, the symbol seems to now hold more power than the actual ‘thing’ it is symbolizing.
And honestly, I don’t have the answers to issues like Ayers, though I wish I did. The larger point is, it is the conservative movement that is making the issue out of him and they don’t have the answers either.
So, once again – what is your solution?
sure, you can attempt to legislate ANYTHING into the catagory of ‘illegal’, but that won’t prevent it from happening, and will take up time and resources better used on other areas of American life.
From my own perspective, I would really love to know why people like Ayers and Wright think and act the way they do without devolving into speculative generalizations. What good does that really do?
abstractmind, valleygreaser and mistressjustice showing how it’s done. libocrat, not so much. libocrat, you’re not too bright, you’re rude and obnoxious, you have no class or honor, and you’re completely lacking in manners and common courtesy. Other than that, you’re ok though, you crazy, dim witted tool, you.
That cuts straight to the heart of the matter. From Ayers/Dohrn to Wright to his disgusting wife, Obama appears to instinctively gravitate toward people who hate this country, or who hate white people, or both.
And his proffered rationalizations for this pattern and practice simply don’t add up. Obama is the perfect embodiment of Peggy Noonan’s observation to a Democrat friend of hers: “You desperately want to rule America, but you don’t seem to like Americans very much.”
Even if Obama’s own character isn’t suspect, his judgment of others’ character certainly is. And when it’s the presidency that’s on the line, both of those are legitimate areas for scrutiny and concern.
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As to the flag issue, I find it puzzling that so many liberals, who so often think, speak and act in terms of symbolism and symbolic gestures, can only partially grasp that the American Flag is one of the most potent symbols on the planet. On one hand, surely the act of desecrating the flag is symbolic of one’s hatred of all it stands for; they can wrap their heads around that. Yet when it comes to wanting to honor the flag, or to protect it, or taking offense at those who spit on it, stomp on it or burn it, suddenly it becomes “a piece of cloth.”
For example, I remember a written account from the prisoner of war repatriation ceremonies following Korean War. From one group of American POWs – all of whom were in horrific condition from their time in captivity – one tried to make his way toward the Americans’ flag detail. But he was too weak to make it. He stumbled, then fell; yet onward he crawled to the flag until he reached it, clutching it and sobbing until finally an Army Major picked him up and carried him to the transportation that would take him the rest of the way to freedom.
The entire American delegation was moved to tears as it watched; even reading about the incident more than 50 years later, I can’t keep my eyes dry.
Yet to a liberal, there’s evidently no meaning there at all.
“Just a piece of cloth.”
What liberals’ thinking about the flag boils down it is hypocrisy, plain and simple: “My symbols – like the bloody coat hanger, or the mug of Che Guevara, or the homosexual rainbow, or the ‘Black Power’ fist – are important, but yours don’t matter… unless I want to sully them.”
And bitter
then air, whats your solution? I never claimed mine was perfect. But its better than complaining, right?
#178, you said people were complaining, ‘just to complain’. Why else do you complain? You also separated the ’symbol’ from the country. Read our posts. We’re complaining because, the ’symbol’ of this great country was desecrated by this scumbag. You can’t separate the two; they go together like bacon and eggs, Tom and Gerry, and Ayers and Obummer. You didn’t have to tell us you weren’t a conservative, your post told us that. That’s not meant as a put down, just an observation.
Jack asses like Ayers do it for the same reason two year olds have temper tantrums; for the reaction they get from people who get angry and carry on about it.
So when I see someone do that I just remind myself that I’m proud to live in a country where, excepting a handful of idiots like Ayers, I and most of 300,000,000 of my fellow citizens respect our flag. Because we have no law to force that respect it means that it can only be coming from one place – from the ONLY place that really matters – our hearts.
The minute you pass a law against it, whatever comes from your heart won’t matter anymore and these handful of idiots will have won. Don’t let them; just turn your back on them.
Yes, it is better than just complaining. However, the end must justify the means. Unfortunately, the issue of flag-desicration most likely will have no perfect solution.
On May 5th, 2008 at 3:12 pm, mymanpotsandpans said:
And clingy to guns and religion, right?
How about pissing on q’rans/korans?
Can we do that too?
Talk amongst yourselves.
The perfect solution is to do nothing. Do we really need to pass laws to prevent a handful of idiots from acting like idiots? Do you really think that’s gonna stop em’? Do you really think that’s not gonna encourage more of em’?
Air,
you’re correct, as far as it not having a perfect solution. its a tough call either way. I would rather see something done, thats not perfect but at least reasonable and that really shows what the majority clearly believes, than to see nothing done at all on the matter.
As far as ends and means…I personally like the latin phrase Exitus Acta Probat
Oh, I read the posts, and I still stand by my original statement that this seems to be nothing more than complaining for the sake of doing so.
Tell me, honestly, what exactly are you doing to promote you cause. By that, I mean something besides responding to blog comments from me.
My point is that ’symbolism’ – to many people – is more important than action or the actual ‘thing’ that the symbol represents.
oh, and it’s Jerry…………..just an observation
aironlater said:
Right, The only way to create a conservative revolution is for people to get as angry as the Flower Children did back in 68′. Get Angry, Take to the streets and get inside the system. Conservatives stomping their feet all day will do nothing. It’s the next step for conservatives otherwise they could face extinction.
Regulus, what a great post. Liberals like to push the envelope. They are madly in love with the CONCEPT of RIGHTS. And the obstinantly defend those who abuse (my opinion) their rights. Just because you have a right, doesn’t mean you HAVE TO exercise that right. It’s lawful to piss your pants. But libs don’t do that. But what speaks volumes about libs lack of character is that they use THE RIGHT to defend the behavior.
They are more concerned with Ayers RIGHT to shit on the flag, than they are concerned with defending the honor of their country. It most cases liberals are CLEARLY not bothered by people shitting on America. (figuratively speaking).
So they cite some RIGHT to sh!t on America and defend that right. But they don’t defend their country.
(generally speaking).
Yet we cannot question their patriotism, because they are defending a RIGHT.
Undrsiege, Bill Ayers (Jeusu Obama’s friend) displayed how he felt about an America that he felt excluded from. He bombed NYPD, the Pentagon, robbed armored cars, shot cops and guards and he is a lib hero now. He is gainfully employed by the Uiversity of Chicago if I’m not mistaken.
Do you think libs would hire Tim McVeigh?
Many of us have already done our part and we have paid for the opportunity to complain. Rather than you whining about what others have done, maybe you should take your own advice and do something yourself, I mean something besides responding to blog comments from others. Dr heal thyself.
Hey,
You know what I am just a bitter American clinging to my flag and guns right aironlater?
Just an ignorant no good American that pays his taxes, obeys the law, and leaves others to their own.
I consider the desecration of the American Flag just the same as I would treat a person that kills and American Bald Eagle, just the same as if they attacked or blew up the Washington Monument. I consider these all American Icons that should be protected by the federal government against desecration.
But you can ignore me I am just a bitter clinging to my guns American.
If what you say is true, then that’s great. But are you suggesting that you no longer have an obligation of ‘doing anything’ so you can just complain all you want?
And, in response to your clever ‘Dr. Heal Thyself’ comment, I contribute to the causes I believe strongly in.
We have the court system and gvt. we deserve.
Ayers – his wife and et. al. would have been shot as traitors 200 yeras ago. Now they have positions as instructors.
We must organize groups to counter the likes of the ACLU-LA Raza – MALDF ….
And no more :
LESSER OF TWO EVILS!!!!!
Air, I’ve written my Senators and Congressmen, to no avail, I admit, but I have done that, because when you mess on the Flag, you mess on the people who have died defending it. Just maybe,if enough of us complain,our representives will pass a law making it a crime to dececrate the Flag. By the way—-it’s YOUR cause–just another observation.
I’ll be away for awhile, later, guys and gals.
There are many Americans complaining about MANY things, but it often takes stronger actions than phone-calls and emails to get things done.
You have to be able to find the balance between being a person like Ayers and a person that just emails and makes a few phone-calls
Words cannot express the anger I feel towards anyone who would stomp on or set fire to the flag of this great nation, or anyone who would support such behavior.
So I am going to have to leave it at that.
henryinga, do you remember the time that Sinead O’Connor ripped up a picture of the Pope. It offended millions of people, billions perhaps. She didn’t care and used the American Constitution to her advantage. Liberals, freaks and nuts try to do the same using Old Glory. I’m not certain that we cannot outlaw it, but be that as it may, they are acting out for the expressed purpose of offending most Americans and America. Liberals discard that pesky Patriotism, in favor of protecting and preserving the RIGHT (though disputed in some circles) of shitting on America.
They’d whistle a different tune if we started burning MLK’s picture or publically destroying, burning or desecrating the Koran.
Some of the bigger loons, will claim that they’d support those disgusting displays too, but by and large liberals are immature hypocrites.
Dear Trolls-
For all the patriots that have served under the American Flag, lost friends in defense of America, and whose families have buried their sons/daughters/fathers/mothers the flag isn’t just a piece of cloth-its a tanglible symbol of what we find GREAT in this country.
Freedoms that most of the world only dream of-the freedom to protest against a government, the freedom to write a letter to the editor of a newspaper, the freedom to own a gun, the freedom to worship according to ones own conscience, the bill of rights, and a constitution that no other country on this planet can match.
Just because you have the freedom to do something, doesn’t mean you have the morality to do it.
I, Paul K. Fischer, hereby challenge any liberal to defend a conservative that descrates a rainbow flag, smears feeces on a Koran (for the sake of art), calls a gay person a slur (eg fag, queer, wuss, and etc) or demand the same race based academic scholarsips be given to the most persucted group on our nations college campuses today-the Christian, heterosexual, conservative, white-male.
Talk is cheap, put your money where your mouth is.
If this sounds harsh, I put a simuliar challenge out to my liberal college professors that have constantly blamed America, BDS, the war and etc and if this country is so bad-I will donate $100 to any liberal that wants to emigrate to the socialist country of their choise with the condition that you renounce your American citzenship and don’t return.
So far no takers…The ball is your court trolls-do you have cajones or are you a coward that enjoys the protection that my friends provide? Men and women with guns, standing a watch, willing to die for their country and they do so out of Honor, Duty to Country and God giving sacrifice. There has never been so great a debt to a few from so many.
GSP
Surveyor, you summed it up nicely –
Which is EXACTLY why they do it – to make you angry! Why don’t people understand this point? I think most parents understand it so maybe you never had little kids? They do the same thing in other ways – pushing buttons.
GSP, you have the right to smear feces on a Koran. I wouldn’t recommend it since it’s so despicable (kind of like, you know, flag burning), but you have that right.
Calling people slurs is starting to push it though. And if you think the “the Christian, heterosexual, conservative, white-male” is the most persecuted person on campuses, you are out of your gourd. But you certainly have the right to say such a thing. You just did! LGM and I aren’t going to call the thought police!
True, people that have served and had friends/family that have served feel a great connection to the flag. However, many also realize that a ‘flag’ doesn’t replace a person. You should also realize that people that those who use the memories of soldiers killed in battle in order to win an argument do so because they think they hold moral superiority – which they do not. They only lesson their words by doing this.
Why should I – or anyone – defend someone else for something stupid they do?
It’s always amazed me that conservatives can’t see the difference between blaming a ‘policy’ and ‘blaming America’. Sure, it’s effective spin and works well with your base, but that’s about it.
And BDS, give me a break. If you want to defend George W. Bush, you go right ahead. I won’t stop you from looking like an idiot.
Rusty, Little Girly Man, Sausage, et. al trolls of the Keyboard Warrior Brigade (because we know it’s as close to serving in any military branch you trolls will ever get), you don’t get it, you’re proud of the fact that you are able to stomp and spit on the flag. You are button pushers that’s for sure, ergo you really are no more than a bunch of 2 y/os at a playground.
However, twerps who vote for Obama, well you’re idiots.
…..yes I have a 3 yr old and a 11 yr old and I have first hand knowledge of the button pushing kids can do….but….not-getting-out-of the-bounce-house-when-dad-tells-them-too-anger is quite a bit different than stomping on my flag kinda anger….know what I mean?
That wasn’t a Congressman. That was Tony Zirkle, an attorney and Congressional candidate running as a Republican. Note that he hasn’t been selected as THE Republican that will be on the November ballot and considering his very public and controversial racist views, he won’t win the primary.
He is not very deserving of attention because he’s a racist loon that is not welcome in the Republican party.
That’s strange, I never once said that I was ‘proud’ that I was able to stomp or spit on anything.
Surveyor, I had something else but I changed it because I knew I would get banned. It does make me sick that we have people like the trolls who are/were on welfare and have no shame, who think obummer is the 8th wonder of the world and who are absolutely clueless when it comes to persecution on the college campus. But I don’t want to get banned and I have to get ready to pack for a flight first thing tomorrow morning to Chi town for my Aunt’s funeral. I will speak to my former Sgt cousin who was just here telling me how he’s persecuted by profs like the little girly man and students like rusty, sausage, et al.
238, I don’t know nor do I care who you are but it appears you admit you’re a troll of the Keyboard Warrior Brigade.
John Andre?!
NOW there’s a Revolutionary War buff talkin’.
10-4 terrig.
Be safe on your trip.
Exactly my point. You simply just complain, that’s it.
It’s rather saddening to see that so many of the preconceived notions about reactionary conservatives are in-fact true.
Thanks Surveyor! Have a great evening.
You mean people like Cindy Sheehan?
Gunslinger patriot is right only I would not offer them a nickel I would make them an offer they couldn’t refuse. We have too many laws already we can barely leave our homes without committing some offense virtual or otherwise. As offensive as it is why should we create more laws because of them? As a matter of fact I have long suspected that the liberals are hoping we make a law against this then they will use it as they usually do, to perpetuate more fascistic behavior against us. There are so many contradictions in our country today I can barely see the Constitution and the Bill of Rights as they were written anymore. No the best solution is to exercise your rights right out in the open in their faces. Expose the hypocrisy two can play this game. The islamists are not going to stop eventually we will have a mega explosion the day of liberal atonement is fast approaching aided in large part by liberals themselves, morons.
Just in the interest of being fair, would it not be accurate to point out that you are doing the very thing you’re accusing someone else of? Preconceived notions, reactionary/complaining statements, and so on?
Not saying someone else doing it makes it correct, but, you can be above that sort of thing if you choose.
End of my day coming up, see everyone tomorrow
clever…..
No, I mean people that have not served in the military and haven’t lost a son/daughter/mother/father in armed conflict -
like Sean Hannity
Yes, I have preconceived notions, but I hardly see myself as ‘reactionary’. I am simply attempting to engage in a discussion with people who espouse ‘conservative’ values. However, it seems that the discussion generally revolves around making up names for people, making wacky generalizations, or just avoiding the issue all together. Sometimes if you want to actually connect with someone you have to try and get down to their level of discourse. Not my favorite things to do, but I have been accussed of being an ‘issues based elitist’.
aironlater said:
Take your liberal ethos and shove it in your dirt chute putz. Don’t come here with that game.
Here’s how I internalize it.
Would this little pencil-necked weasel have the balls to stand on the Flag, if he didn’t have the law to protect him?
At the end of the day, it doesn’t descetrate the Flag…The Flag is what it is…He could stomp it, all day long, and we wouldn’t be one bit less proud of it.
He, and he alone, is what is despicable…He is the disgrace.
Anyone, associating with a scum-bag like this, is just as despicable.
Kaos Klerik…. aye aye, sir… guilty as charged… actually a warfare buff… while not totally well versed… dangerously so…
It appears that I have struck a chord. That’s generally a sign that you have found a person’s weakness.
Air,
While its true that sometimes people do that here, there are some of us here that don’t mind a good discussion. I don’t lower myself to the level of people being ignorant. I do my best to raise their level to something that is able to discuss what’s going on.
Time for me to go, so…but, don’t lower yourself for the sake of participation, regardless of whether its firing off at your opposition, or by lambasting trolls
Favorite quote my friend uses:
Raise the level, air. You can do it. I’m sure i’m not perfect at it, but the better you sound, and the more you make your points valid with facts, the more intelligent people will talk!
Sometimes I do just for the shear snark factor, other times it’s just the easy route. But, considering the above response to why conservatives shout “why are you blaming America first” – well, you can see my point.
Surveyor (#236), Not obeying isn’t what I’m talking about; I’m talking about the temper tantrum that some 2-3 year olds try when they don’t get what they want. Getting angry at them generally does nothing to stop them because they’re doing it for attention. When my 2 year old daughter tried it at a toy store when it was time to leave I just started walking away like she wasn’t there and BINGO! That scared her and she never tried that again, (well, with me at least). These idiots who desecrate the flag don’t do it at 3:00AM secluded in their basements – they do it for the attention they get. It puts them in control of those getting angry at them. If nobody paid any attention at all to them – I doubt most would ever bother trying it again.
Getting angry at them, threatening them, etc. is only flattering them for their effort. They’re obviously brain damaged to be desecrating the very symbol of their freedom to do that so why kowtow to such moronic behavior? In a way I kinda pity them for how stupid they are. If there’s one thing that can destroy a person it’s giving them pity where none was sought.
AMEN Semper Fi David
I completely understand what your saying and I agree…..it is just extremely difficult to ignore asinine behavior from some folks in this country….even though that is pretty much all we can do……for now.
Thank you. Honor and pride in ones country.
Yes I am. Because I wouldn’t be able to in Saudi Arabia, Iran, or the People’s Republic of China.
Um, I’ve never been on welfare. I’m not supporting Senator Obama (although I will once he gets the nomination), and I am far from clueless when it comes to “persecution on the college campus.” When I was in school, the College Republicans were doing just fine.
Well, except for this little imbroglio.
It isn’t burning the flag, spitting on it, or stomping on it, that bothers me. Heck, for $10, I can run to the store and get a new one. It’s what it stands for, and what it represents. Basically, a slap in my face is what it is. It’s an attack on what I hold dear to my heart…liberty and freedom. What’s worse, Ayers believes in it too. That’s why he is here, and why he “uses” it. He just wants to provoke and get his minute of fame, just like someone you meet who wants to pick a fight with you, except in his case, he does it “long distance” as cowards tend to do. He’d run before defending his so-called “cause”, or hid behind some legality. I have no patience with people like that. Either fight your cause, or run away. Stomping on the flag in an alley…. Come on, jerk, stomp it in public around a lot of people. Blasted coward; no patience with this guy.
aironlater said:
No, watching you pontificate like you’re pretending to be Barbara Boxer behind the lecturn is what’s getting me sick. All you have is some hackneyed mode of persuasion that you picked out of The New York Times. Your ethos is a jinglebell with no balls. But by all means keep writing…
#260 …Did you go to USF?
Ok, skip the button. The point is that what is and is not considered a hate crime is usually a left-wing interpretation.
The more I read the liberal toadies on this blog, the more I am convinced this Nation will fall from within.
Four of the scariest words running through my small mind:
“They are allowed to breed.”
eww.
Like I’ve said liberal fairy boats like aironlater, would shyte their panties if MLK was burned in effigy.
Or maybe a picture of one of his mothers was burned??
Rusty:
So back on topic I told you, as matter of fact, you can be arrested for burning a Rainbow Flag under the Hate Crimes Act of 2000 which you completely ignored. Just trotting along in your own little world…
Priceless. You are doing nothing but furthering the stereotype that conservatives try to so hard to be above. Yeah, I’ll keep writing from MY OWN perspective that is gained from MY OWN experience. But please, keep up with the conservative talking points, makes my job all the easier.
So, would you care to engange in a conversation about what I originally said, or would you rather continue with the textual-tantrum you’ve started?
#234 – Correction to my previous post. That was SFSU not USF. Le oops!
That’s 5 words, Bear.
Only pointing it out before one of the lefties do.
(Unless I missed the joke.)
Are you so certain that I AM a Liberal?
How do you know that i would ’shyte’ myself?
Oh, and do you know one of my mothers?
Seriously, it’s so easy for you guys to get away from a subject just for the sake of trying to compartmentalize people you have no knowledge about. But, if it makes you sleep better at night to try and rationalize your tilted view of who I might or might now be – by all means – go right ahead, it’s good entertainment on my end.
Any chance you all (aironlater and everyone else involved in the “I’m complaining about Conservatives complaining” thread-jack) could get back on topic instead?
Don’t mean it harshly… Just sayin’.
feebes #263
My point well taken.
To the trolls-
Everything I described in #231 has occured on our college campuses, and I have been subjected to the most vile of comments from the gay community, some of my black classmates in my sociology classes and gave up count the number of anti-military/BDS comments, and pro Palestine/gay rights/whites as victimisers/America is evil ad nauseum since I returned school.
You see this not only in the classroom by the profs, but in the school paper by the stories they publish and editorials they print, the list of accepted school clubs that are approved by the student council and the list could go on.
The day my school (University of Memphis) gives conservatives the same rights of academic freedom liberals have, then and only then will I take back my post.
This post isn’t coming from an 18-21 year old, but a 40 year old veteran that has seen more countries than most of my profs and grad student profs have ever seen or heard about.
BTW-I have the audio proof from my Racial and Ethnic Minorities class that backs up my claims! The rest weren’t worth the cost of microcassettes.
GSP
gladly……….
threadjacking was not my intended purpose, but sometimes you have to address the idiocy when it’s thrown your way.
That being said, are people like Ayers THE problem? It appears, to me at least, that these people are elevated to the status of ‘icon’ in order to rationalize why one certain movement is more important to America than another.
Personally, I don’t approve of Ayers tactics ( that being the bombings – though it should be noted that he was aquitted of ALL charges ).
Waiting for Spontaneous Human Combustion to occur in 3,2,1……
Underseige, I had never heard of the Hate Crimes Act of 2000. I did some googling and realized it’s not federal law. I’m not really up on what the New York Legislature is doing (save for maintaining their “Albany girlfriends”).
Anyways, I read the legislation and your conclusion isn’t correct. Burning a rainbow flag out of protest is not a hate crime. Burning a rainbow flag and leaving it on a gay couple’s doorstep would be criminal mischief and therefore would qualify under the Act. But that’s apples and oranges.
aironlater said:
This is my whole point, you’ve said nothing.
“quod erat demonstrandum”
But by all means, keep writing…
Doesn’t mean one is innocent, LGM. And you know, it WOULD be a crime if he did that to your precious Koran. But I guess the American flag isn’t as good as collection of twisted prophecies.
If it’s so important (and if it actually happened like you said) post some LINKS, please. Maybe you haven’t noticed, but your own personal testimony doesn’t carry weight, LGM. I know you probably think you’re an “educated” liberal, but on here, we have to SEE it to believe it, okay?
Seriously, the only reason that Ayers is even an issue right now is because of his ‘connection’ ( limited and flimsy as it is ) to Obama.
If the Republican party had this type of scrutiny of their own candidates, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.