Flag desecration of the day: Bill Ayers stomps on Old Glory
Here’s your Monday morning blood pressure-raiser.
Put your coffee down before clicking.
The full Chicago Magazine article, titled “No Regrets,” is here with the color photo.
You know, conversations about that photo will not help the Obamas’ kids…
And in case you missed it, make sure you read John Murtaugh’s piece on how the Weather Underground terrorists tried to kill his family. Video here.
Like the Arizona Republic editorial board put it today: The 60s just won’t go away.
Here’s your letter of the morning from Greg Phares in today’s WSJ:
Elizabeth Wurtzel (”Obama’s Other Radical Friends,” op-ed, May 2) can be forgiven her youthful fascination with radical bomber Bernardine Dohrn. We all have ideas at 15 that seem silly from the perspective of middle age. Barack Obama’s reported close relationship with Ms. Dohrn and Bill Ayers is much more troubling and raises legitimate questions about his judgment and maturity.
In a 33-year law-enforcement career I had occasion to arrest many charming criminals. One of the most engaging was a California radical, rapist and prison escapee associated with the Symbionese Liberation Army (remember them?) who was living in Louisiana. When, after an intensive undercover investigation, I confronted him with his true name, he stuck out his hand and said “You must have talked to them in Oakland.” Indeed I had, and what I learned was chilling.
From all accounts, Mr. Ayers and Ms. Dohrn are equally charming. That does not nullify their crimes. Placing a bomb is one of the most evil of acts because the effects of a bomb are totally indiscriminate and incredibly devastating. Just ask a young Iraq War veteran who will live the rest of his or her life minus body parts. Just ask the families of those killed by Timothy McVeigh in the Federal Building in Oklahoma City.
There is little moral difference between Mr. Ayers and Ms. Dohrn and McVeigh. Timothy McVeigh was simply a less charming individual and a more successful bomber. He received just punishment for his crime. Mr. Ayers and Ms. Dohrn did not.
Greg Phares
Baton Rouge, La.
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Previous: Barack and Michelle and Bill and Bernardine: The Obama/Weather Underground compendium
Also: I linked Tom Maguire’s excellent post last week, but here it is again for those who might have an opportunity to subject Obama to the Ayers/Obama/Chicago Annenberg challenge. An excerpt (go to the posts for all the links):
One might well ask - how would Obama characterize his involvement with the Chicago Annenberg Challenge Fund?
…How closely did Obama work with the fund’s executive director, Ken Rolling (and what does Mr. Rolling have to say about this)?
What did Obama know of Bill Ayers’ involvement (which the rest of us now know to be extensive)?
Eventually, the CACF was viewed as a failure (the final report says it had “little impact”) - what did Obama learn from that?
Finally, there is a question of shared values; setting aside Ayers’ bomb-tossing proclivities of the 70’s, he has a very hard left approach to education; for example, he explained to Hugo Chavez and a Venezuelan audience that public education was a way to promote the revolution…How much of this did Obama know then? Or is this just another situation, as with Jeremiah Wright, where Obama simply didn’t know anything about the fellow with whom he was associating?
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Disgusting. Between Wright and Ayers, this Obama is still in the running for President? It’s amazing how far down our country has fallen. Seems the only thing a lot of voters care about, is not about character, but about “how much entitlement will I get from this candidate?” That and only that.
Where’s Rick Monday when you need him?
Thanks for the reminder.
Another one of Obama’s mentors.
Another one of those types that Bill Clinton Pardoned.
Ayers and his spouse are just the debris from a very sad era of Our History. They both should be in prison but so should some others that come to mind.
The flag was probably made in China.
It IS amazing how far this country has fallen, for sure. Although it has nothing to do with a bit of cloth…..
“These people are part of who I am”
Barack Obama 08
I blame your side snausage.
Am I free to stomp on a Che shirt, on the Mexican flag or the Hamas flag?
I think not, but I’ll see if I can get it up on YouTube soon.
Anybody have an effigy of Ayers for sale?
Ayers is literally a P.O.S.
TMoney said:
That’s it I’m making an Ayers Voodoo Doll; stick as many pins in it as you want.
This is outrageous! We need to keep this stuff in front of the public, because McCain cannot win on the issues. Bush made sure of that.
We must keep questioning Obama’s patriotism and playing on the public’s fears. It’s the only way to stave off this menace! Keep it up!
“You are known by the company you keep” and my personal favorite:
“Bad company corrupts good character-1 Cor 15:33″
When will the McCain campaign make this an advertisment?
Anybody? Buehler? Buehler?
The answer? Never!
On May 5th, 2008 at 7:48 am, sausage said: “Although it has nothing to do with a bit of cloth…..”
Surely, you are kidding?!
Undrsiege247, good one.
heres the link for it…
Rick Monday
This photo show the absoulte hypocracy of liberal America bashers. If Mr. Ayers feels this way, then he is free to leave. But why doesn’t he? Because he could not get away with bashing another country in that country and make a wonderful living out of it.
Saw this great quote on another website from Robert Frost:
“A liberal is a man too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel.”
Nothing is going to stop Obama short of death. NO I AM absolutely NOT advocating anything of the kind, I am just saying IMHO it is the only thing that would stop this train wreck.
No matter how much stuff the right can find on him, the Obama fans simply do not care because he is Hope & Change (whatever that means).
What I’m enraged about is that he’s a professor of education, teaching the people who teach the nation’s children.
Ayres needs to build just one more bomb - to blow himself up at a Weather Underground reunion far away from civilized people. No civilized person will miss him.
As far as derel3433 goes - I hope that’s sarcasm!
How right you are… It’s because of “useful idiots” like you!
As to Obama, and Ayers….
“Birds of a feather flock together”
Blood boiler for sure.Gitmo is too good for him.The Houston Chronicle reports that 71% of area prof’s give and support the Dems,anyone shocked?
Obamama’s chickens are comin home to roost!
GSP
While we all have associations of which we’re not proud, we don’t all claim they are part of us, or call them “mentors”.
Actually, I like the fact that this picture came out. It show, AGAIN, the VERY poor judgement of Barack HUSSEIN Obama shows in choosing his friends and “mentors”.
Just as well I can’t go to link from work. I have been having computer problems all morning and all I need is something else to get the old “Tasmanian Devil” I keep fairly well suppressed spinning this morning. From what I gather it is another bit of performance art designed to show how oppressive this country is to voices of decent.
If this dyed in the wool communist anarchist type wants to really experience the benefits of the People’s Revolutionary Movement why doesn’t he just relocate to the People’s Republic of China or North Korea. I think we could even get enough of us to pitch in to by him and his fellow terrorist bride one way tickets to either destination.
Sausage being a British subject you probably don’t understand how seriously we yanks take this little piece of cloth and all it stands for.
I wish we had an honest press that would help MM and others to keep stuff like this in the public’s eye. We just can’t let Obummer be our next POTUS, because he simply doesn’t have this country’s saftey and welfare at heart. He’s shown me this by whom he’s chosen to associate with, Rev Wrong and Ayers, and his willingness to “talk” with Iran.
Why are people like this allowed to remain in the US? If they hate the US so much - LEAVE! The fact is, it wouldn’t matter where they lived, they are just hate-filled people who want to destroy, and any excuse will do.
FYI caption above picture:
Couldn’t have said it better myself!
Ayers needs to be wrapped in a peice of cloth and stomped on according to his custom.
If McCain and any Republicans for that matter don’t use Obama’s relationship to this idiot and the Rev. Wright in their campaigns they deserve to lose. It would be obvious that they don’t want to win.
I believe in a right to free SPEECH. Disrespecting our nations flag is not free speech. It is a disgrace to all the great men and women who gave their all so we could be safe, secure and have rights. We need a law protecting our flag but since we do not Ayers better pray i never see him or any of his flag trampling friends.
Donna Ron was a student at the University of Michigan who was charmed by Bill Ayers back in 1965 and briefly dated him. Read her account of how dating that sick son-of-a-bitch Ayers turned out.
When President Andrew Shepherd was dating Sydney Ellen Wade, the American electorate seemed to be quite forgiving of her past as an American flag burner. Senator Obama will probably get the same pass.
AJ, thanks for the clip of Rick Monday. It was the perfect antidote to the nausea. (Will bake brownies in your honor any day.)
Haha. Like the right to burn flags out of protest? You speak against one of the rights Americans have died for. Heck, even Justice Scalia is on my side in this one.
So that’s what happened to the professional hipster plagarist Elizabeth Wurzel.
Speaking of flags…
Remember the Alamo!
The thought of someone like Obama being in the White House literally makes me ill. People had better take their blinders off and pay attention to what this guy is really all about. I’ll take a lying, vicious, scheming Hillary over this guy any day.
What a marvelous choice the Democrats are offering voters this year.
Like water shapes to the vessel that holds it, so is a man shaped by those he surrounds himself with.
Who was “President Andrew Shepard”?
I never heard of him.
Rusty,your brain is a little cloudy this A.M.That was a movie.Do you think it would be otherwise when Hollywood produced it?I thought you had a little more up top than that.
In the words of Reagan, “there you go again,” taking Ayers actions out of context. You young whipper-snappers don’t understand that in the sixties, “the man,” needed to be blowed-up.
The only connection that Obama and Ayres had is that they were on the same charity board. He never said he was a mentor or a friend. If you can find it, please let me know. Besides, this is a 40 year old picture. Should we show police using fire hoses on people to show what police today are doing?
Obama wants to talk to Iran, but I just saw in the headlines that Iran won’t talk to us until we stop shooting the members of the terror cells they sponsor.
I guess its their way of saying this conversation isn’t helping their kids….. or their terrorists.
Um, duh. It was a humor joke. Wacca, wacca, wacca!
Mythical president in the movie “American President” I think that’s the title.
Everyone should read the article about Ayers that was published in the NY Times on September 11, 2001 in which Ayers says he is not sorry about bombing the Pentagon or NYPD Hdqrs. or any of the other places where they tried to kill and maim people. Alan Colmes, the sorry spectacle on Fox News, says that there is nothing special about the Ayers quotes being published on September 11, 2001. But to the broader point, Ayers and Dohrn gave their children Muslim/Arab names. These two are undoubtedly supportive of militant Arab causes, something the MSM does not wish to investigate. This subject is fertile ground for any journalist who wants to dig in.
I’ve always said that liberals live in a fantasy world. Thanks for demonstrating it.
I must say…Obama’s constant defense of his relationships with certain individuals is reminiscent of a past president who was constantly quizzed regarding some of his “relationships.” I seem to remember an interview on 60 Minutes where then Mrs. Clinton said, if you don’t “trust” him don’t vote for him.
Aaahhh…but of course, some voted for him only to be shocked by his behavior with a certain intern in OUR oval office. I do hope we have learned a valuable lesson - where there is smoke there is fire and scratch this radical nutjob off the ballot!
Gee, Rusty, a humor joke is funny, usually. That was undoubtedly a non-humor joke.
AJMontana - ahhh…that explains it. I try not to watch leftist Hollywood propaganda, and I certainly missed that one.
You bet your bottom dollar that if I ever see anyone standing on the Stars and Bars like that they would be flat on their ass!!!
As they look up at me with that flag they were standing on draped around my neck I would be gesturing for them to please come and take it back!!!
I think we should assist this gentleman with moving to Canada or Mexico!!!
Maybe he is. Even Scalia isn’t always right. Burning a flag isn’t speech, anymore than a politically motivated bomb from Ayers and Dohrn.
A BIT OF CLOTH!!!
Please tell me your trolling from outside the US!!!
I do not think you realize how many people you offend with a statement like that!
It’s actually not a bad flick to see. imho of course.
Look at the picture it was taken in 2001 and not 40 years ago. Obama annouced his Senate candidacy in Mr. Ayers’ living room. To paraphrasr Mark Levin “Get off this blog you big dope!”
At least until you have something intelligent to say.
Also, I am sure that most people on this blog would disagree with the methods used againt the non-violent civil rights protesters in the 1950’s and 1960’s.
Wow. The flag of a group of traitors determined to undermine basic human rights that are responsible for the deaths of more Americans than the Nazis and Al-Queda combined. You must be so proud.
Oh man, I know.
The difference is pretty clear. One is meant to hurt people or damage someone else’s property. Burning a flag does neither of those things.
One of the reasons I think, even in my liberal mindset, that America > Europe is because of our great respect for free speech. Mohawk writes of flying his Confederate flag. Flying the colors of a defeated enemy isn’t allowed in some European countries. Nor is Holocaust denial.
Nazi flags and Holocaust denial are clearly boorish and stupid and terrible. But we still let people who have those beliefs talk about them. That principle applies to flag burning as well. Just because most don’t like it doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be protected.
This photo show the absoulte hypocracy of liberal America bashers. If Mr. Ayers feels this way, then he is free to leave. But why doesn’t he? Because he could not get away with bashing another country in that country and make a wonderful living out of it.
The connection between Obama and Ayers is that they live in the same neighborhood and sometimes sit in the same room. Fox has the extra tidbit that Ayers contributed $200 to Obama’s campaign. Ayers never has been convicted of a crime.
Did you cover the Republican Congressman who gave a speech at a local branch of the US NAZI party? Did you post the picture of the Congressman posing in front of the swastika? Did you rant about McCain accepting the endorsement of a man he had called (rightly) an “agent of intolerance”?
Try flying a Confederate flag.
Rusty,
while the rest of your post at least made sense, this part isn’t quite right.
And not that I want to get into a discussion of the Civil War, but at least get the reasons it was fought correct.
And just to say it, Lincoln was the one who wanted to ship the slaves “back to Africa”…definitely shows his humanitarian side.
I’ll leave it at that, but dont bring disingenuous aspects into the discussion. It cheapens what would have otherwise been a decent post.
Did you ever speak out against Robert Byrd before the current contretemps, you stupid troll?
abstractmind, I’m by no means arguing that the North didn’t have their share of problems. Lincoln’s pre-1863 views on shipping slaves back and his suspension of habeus corpus are nothing to be proud of.
The American casualties list is obviously a bit stacked since it counts people on both sides of the lines. But I don’t see where I said something that was inaccurate.
Although American history is of great interest to me, it also represents a bit of a threadjack so maybe I should pipe down for a bit.
I did indeed. In the same story, it was blatant, and stated, that the Republican party there disavowed him, and doesn’t endorse, sponsor, or assist him in any way. He claims the R, but it doesnt claim him. And no one else should either. But you forgot to mention the denial part, because it doesnt support your argument or world view. Be honest, when you put something like that out there, if you dont mind.The other 2, I would need to see the story again, not familiar.
No matter how you cut it, all of the people running for POTUS aren’t worth a wooden nickel. But the more one looks at Obama, the worse he appears. There’s more than enough proof he’s not qualified for the job. But then again, neither is Hillary. McCain has the experience, but…I don’t trust him to do the job.
So what does that leave us?
3 bad choices, and all (as far as i’m concerned) are just as evil, removing the “choose the lesser evil” option.
Well, between Wright and Ayers, ol’ Barry should just skyrocket to the White House! Heh this is rich.
rusty,
yeah, we’ll save the history for another day
but history is one of my favorite subjects 
back to topic
And this POS teaches at an American College??? That’s America, 2008. I’d love to slap that ignorant grin right off his face. I would urge everybody on this board to write the Interim Chancellor Eric A. Gislason, at the University of Illinois at Chicago and express how you feel about his University employing a known unrepentant American terrorist, or you can write to the scumbag himself, or both.
gislason@uic.edu
bayers@uic.edu
Given the context, it may well have been a humanitarian gesture. How many really wanted to return to Africa as opposed to being slaves in the United States? Certainly he knew the Southern states would be a hostile environment for freed slaves.
Just as today we hear “What do we do with all the illegal aliens?”, then Lincoln would hear “What do we do with all the freed slaves?”
Do you have any idea why that congressman was there?
Hey AJ, I’m new to this site as you know. Is this Sausage another plop n’ drop seagull ? Don’t remember seeing the name.
judge for yourself, here’s a pic with his buddy lgm, or is it rusty?
residents
So then all those people that prosecute other’s free speech rights as civil rights issues or some perceived discrimination or just make them “uncomfortable” should be ignored, because the weren’t “hurt,” right?
I’ll trade you that. If political correctness can’t extend to the symbol of our country, then some people’s trivial comfort issues should not be covered as well. No more academic reeducation for perceived anti feminist, gay, race etc. issues.
Deal?
mister p,
dont want to hijack the thread, but the sending of slaves back home would have been disastrous. Lincoln didnt want to deal with it. Sending slaves back to Africa, based on the fact that many were sold into slavery by tribes that conquered them in battle, would have been a death sentence. The moment they got home, they’d have been slaughtered.
I just dont wanna hijack the thread. we can talk history another time
As you undoubtedly know, after the war those former slaves who wished to go returned to Africa, and founded Liberia. But it was strictly voluntary.
Problem is, these people really don’t know much about history, and you can’t really get into much discussion with them without getting into it to some degree.
On May 5th, 2008 at 11:09 am, txvet2 said:
i know, and its sad. one can learn alot about where you are, and where you’re going, if you look to see where you’ve been.
My father and several friends have died in service to that flag and the country for which it stands.
It is a good thing that I am never likely to meet this scum because I am not sure I would contain myself.
If he hates America so much why doesn’t he leave for Venezuela or China or Iran or North Korea?
This story and the last one on the murdered officer are loosely linked together. For about 30 years the authorities and that’s means the police, lawyers, judges, juries and politicans have been creating the atmosphere that encourages this type of behavior. They have looked the other way as these people rampaged through the streets anytime they pleased they still are. This sadly is a chickens (liberal chickens) coming home to roost moment like we see more of each and every day. The liberals have created a monster right under Americans noses and many citizens through ignorance or apathy have allowed it to get to this point. Our leaders have allowed people to come here and stay that hate our guts. They have looked the other way more often than not. How do ya’ll feel about that? Forget angry and bitter I’m smokin mad. 30 years of regression when will we all stand together and shout, enough!
I see. Thank you AJ. Then he lives in lgm’s mom’s basement too?
No doubt, but as the other poster noted Liberia did become a country of former slaves. But no solution was without problems. And as we have seen it has taken a long time for all wounds to heal.
But if we want to talk about the evils of the past, lets go no further than the founder of the Democratic Party - Andrew Jackson. He destroyed an Indian tribe in Mississippi and literally stole their land for himself. Then he “bought” 100 slaves to farm that land. Later as the populist president campaigning for “change”, he sent the settled Cherokee Indians on the “Trail of Tears” so that Georgians could steal the gold found on their land.
Just a piece of cloth? that’s fine…. but, I will admit that my reaction will be swift and definitive. Burn or step on a US flag in front of me or within my sight, Rick Monday’s act will seem like Sunday School. I promise! You can insult me or deride my opinion all day long on this thread, it’s not going to change a thing. You insult me and my compatriots that I’ve lost.
The Photo Editor who approved this photo should also be blamed for allowing it to be published. It only serves to sell copies and further a bombtossers cause.
Wright & Obama, Ayers & Obama… has this country set the bar so low that this defines a serious presidential candidate? I was just reading over at HOT AIR that Obama got the teamsters endorsement because of a back room deal he’s made with them to end their federal oversight if elected. What’s it going to take before this country realizes that Obama is nothing but a slick, slimy Chicago Policitian? Have him make this flag desecrating Ayers Attorney General?
Obama won’t wear a flag, but I’ll bet he’ll defend friends who grind ‘em into the dirt.
Will a couple of you purist conservatives vote for war hero McCain NOW?
believe you me…i’m part cherokee. I learned well the history lesson of the Trail of Tears. Approximately 4000 Cherokee died during that process. Jackson originally signed the act that made the removal possible, but the law was enforced by Martin Van Buren later, including his orders to have Cherokee placed in concentration camps before having them forcibly moved.
The total deaths indicated were greater than those of 9/11.
But that tends to be forgotten, sadly.
I do apologize I mentioned the Stars and Bars earlier I meant to write the Stars and Stripes.
Either way my post still holds true.
You desecrate the US flag and you deserve a punch in the mouth!
Chicago Magazine from 2001:
This quote reminds me of a NT Times review for a Broadway show in the early 1990s; a musical which promoted a bunch of homosexuals dressed up as nuns, mocking the Catholic Church and its parochial grade school system. The NY Times described this hate show as “deliciously irreverent.”
Constant drama relating to BH and Michelle Odrama. KEEP IT UP I’m loving it!
This IS the true face of the LOONEY LEFT in our country. Just wait until Denver, you will see much more DRAMA. I feel sorry for Denver as there will be thousands of angry, bitter, delusional people disrupting their city.
If BHOdrama is not the nominee there will be destruction of property, disobedience, and hating whitey all across our nation. If he gets the nomination but loses in the general, refer back to previous sentence.
If he becomes POTUS it will be time for all the bad guys/evil people to make their gains for the sake of Islam and Communism to take over the world and destoy the US of A.
Too friggin bizarre………
On May 5th, 2008 at 10:03 am, Rusty said:
So now southerner confederates are Nazis and Al-Qaeda?
WTF did you come up with that lame brain comparison!
Please learn a bit about the Civil War before you go making comparisons like that!
Why is he still teaching?
Surely no one here is questioning Bill Ayers patriotism?
I have a qusetion for our lib friends.
Is it okay for a Conservative to blow up Ayers house?
Just asking. I mean is it okay if “someone” blows up Ayers house, then hides for 25 years only to reappear as a University professor and hero?
Is that okay?
From Wikipedia:
Another libtard loser with serious daddy-inadequacy issues. If he can’t gain notoriety by building something up, he’ll grab notoriety by tearing something down.
What a stunted, shell of a man.
How fitting that he is showing his disdain for our country from a dirty back alley.
“Commerce and Industry”
Dad was a success. Son is a commie.
A limosine bomb throwing commie. Ayers girlfriend blew herself up while manufacturing a bomb in Greenwich Village. Ayers was not a shoplifter.
He should have been given the electric chair. Seriously. He should have been fried.
And he is Obama’s friend.
THE FLAG WOULD NOT BE A VERY GOOD PLATFORM FOR OBAMA’S CAMPAIGN TO STAND ON.
Obama knows full well what and who he was involved in. He just doesn’t think it is any of our business. Nose in the air snobs tend to have that view. It is absolutely killing him to have to explain why he did what he did. The anger is truly too horrible to behold. Must be such a burden on Michelle and the kids.
I’m liking Obama as the Dem nominee more and more with each passing week. I’m beginning to think even McCain could beat him.
It has to do with honor and pride in ones country. I can tell by your post that you know nor have either. It hurts my heart to have some person like you with no honor or real convictions to say that burning the flag of our country hurts no one. Does it not hurt and disrepect the honor of those men and women who have died under it’ banner ? Am I noone ? Are the men and women who died fighting under the banner you wish to burn for causes you have no concern for are they noone also? Burning the flag of our country offends me. It offends anyone who has ever watched as their fellow soldiers fell in battle or had a a loved one die in battle. Rusty I do not expect you to understand cause you have no honnor or Pride in your country. I and others on this blog do. We have pride and honor in ourselves and our country. Unlike people like you who only care for themselves…..
SEMPER FI
THE ONLY EASY DAY WAS YESTERDAY
A tragic and terrible episode, to be sure - but my ancestors helped settle both Connecticut and the Mohawk Valley, so my views on the mistreatment of Indians might differ somewhat from yours based upon how my ancestors were treated by the local tribes, especially the Iroquois under Joseph Brant.
In case, anyone is interested, the Chicago Magazine article.
(if it hasn’t already been posted)
Obama is incapable of bringing change to Washington via electoral politics. That is passe since Reagan.
Hillary is surging just in time to torpedo the Obama campaign.
If elected, Hillary will nominate the puerile bagman to the Supreme Court.
His eyes are secretly on that prize. Job for life. Making Change from the Bench.
It’s how it’s done these days.
Bush was only 9 at the time..
When you add America hating Ayers and America hating Wright and the “I’ve never been proud of my country” wife, Obama’s refusal to wear a US flag pin might take on a little more meaning than it would otherwise. Is it just coincidence that all of his associations seem anti-America?
What do they have to do with the Cherokee?
It’s all a matter of timing. Of course we don’t want an Obama presidency…the only thing worse is a Clintons presidency. So cool it until after Obama is the nominee, then go after him. I fear that if Clintons are the nominee, they might win over McCain, then we are screwed. Oh well, we’re screwed no matter who wins.
Burning a flag is a insult to my country, my friend who died in the beruit barracks bombing, and every other american who has died for this country. From my past relatives who was hung as regulators prior to the revolutionary war (our side)to the Marines who were killed by a roadside in Iraq.
Burning a flag is WRONG.
What an appalling sight to see, and absolute disgrace to demonstrate.
Old Glory stands for so much in everyone’s lives worldwide and is a recognized symbol of Freedom including those that abuse it.
As a Canadian I put Old Glory right next to the Red Ensign and the Maple Leaf as the staple symbols of the freedoms I enjoy and strive to protect.
This clown needs to be decked. Violence is not always the answer but when you can’t reason with the unreasonable they need a jolt to know their place!
#35 rusty said:
If a limp-wrist like Bill Ayers did this in my parents’ neighborhoods when they grew up (Brooklyn/Queens) he would have probably spent the rest of his days working in a glass-sorting warehouse, sipping his dinner through a straw.
Rusty, I can’t help but imagine that if an overwhelming majority of the men who gave their lives, on the shores of Tripoli to the sands of Fallujah, read your quote above, they might demand a full retraction.
Like it is said, you are who you associate with and there are no exceptions to that. Obama’s lack of good judgement in those in his world is just another reason out of many how horrible B.Hussein Obama would be for President.
Ayers is scum and why on earth he would even get hired anywhere by anyone is unforgivable.
I laugh at Rusty and his moronic high school attempts to justify flag burning.
Like most juvenile idiots, Rusty has just enough knowledge of our Constitution to play little Sophomore games.
He defends flag burning as a right, but he doesn’t denounce it as an American.
There is a simple test of Rusty’s limp wristed liberals standards.
Ask Rusty what he thinks of someone calling a homosexual a faggot.
That sends shivers down the spine of a liberal. Free speech vs. Hate speech I believe they call it.
Well if calling a homosexual “faggot” is hate speech.
What kind of speech is burning the flag?
Game set match.
Americans don’t have constitutional rights to Not to be Offended. A person doesn’t hate his country just because he refuses to fly into a blind rage at the sight of some moron standing on a flag 7 freaken years ago. There are more important issues to get all in a tizzy about.
mistressjustice,
I dont agree with your second post about the flag…but i couldnt agree with you more about this part.
*hat tip*
This is symbolic, yes. Ask Ayers and Obama just what they mean by doing this. What are they saying? What is it about America that they do not like? Questions?
Yes, Answers, not too many.
#112
The US flag is not unimportant to me and many others. Perhaps, your mindset does not accept and see that, fine. But, mine and many others sacrifice and defense of your “justice”, allows me to get “in a tizzy”.
englishqueen. You rode the short bus to school didn’t you.
No one is “FLYING INTO A BLIND RAGE” over anything.
Get a grip.
I notice in true LIBERAL fashion, you felt the need to mitigate Mr. P.O.S Ayers desecration of MY FLAG, by mentioning the picture being 7 years old. Had Mr.Ayers been executed as those who commit TERROR against America should be, he would have dead a lot longer than 7 years.
BTW, yes, the picture is 7 years old.
Are you suggesting that, it’s age is relevant, and that Ayers has shown some sort of contrition?
Please don’t fly into a “blind rage” over my questions.
Abstract-
My first post was a quote from GaMidright Rider. I’m not that insane, and alzheimers hasn’t kicked in yet.
thanks
That’s not a crack on Ga, I just thought it was funny that it looks like I’m arguing two seperate positions in a five minute period:))
#93 said:
Good point, Mike. Bill Ayers is just reminding us of the dark days when leftist pant loads were forced to abort their honor, class and patriotism in back alleys and Greenwich Village townhouses.
Ayers and his Manson fangirl wife live the high life while those two Border Patrol agents rot in jail for shooting a drug smuggler in the butt. What a country indeed.
I hope Bill Ayers reads here, because I have some good information that may help him get his life back on track.
Dear Mr. Ayers,
Secondary or pathological narcissism is a pattern of thinking and behaving in adolescence and adulthood, which involves infatuation and obsession with one’s self, to the exclusion of others. It manifests in the chronic pursuit of personal gratification and attention (narcissistic supply), in social dominance and personal ambition, bragging, insensitivity to others, lack of empathy and/or excessive dependence on others to meet his/her responsibilities in daily living and thinking. Pathological narcissism is at the core of the narcissistic personality disorder.
Hope that helps, but if I ever see you trampling on my Country’s flag in front of me, I may opt to help cure you by “other” therapeutic means..
~ Dan Lee
There are Patriots,
There are excrement in human form.
There is no argument, where Wright, Obama, and Ayers & Dohrn fit in the scheme of American life.
termites
Why is it necessary to insult the mentally handicapped in this discussion? We conservatives should try to show a little more class than the haters on the left.
No rage here libocrat, and I’ll take the high road this time on your silly UNPROVOKED shortbus crack.
Ayers stands on flag. So effing what. He’s an idiot. Those who have suggested he should be hung(Blind rage), don’t understand what it means to be an American. Those who have suggested that they would layout a person who did this in from of them would be arrested and prosecuted for Battery, plain and simple. If I saw somebody desecrating a flag, I’d shake my head and go about my day. This is still the United States of America. If you people resent some of our freedoms, maybe ya’ll are the ones that should consider moving to a more oppressive society. BTW, I’m no hyprocrite, I did a paper in law school defending cross burnings by the Klan.
MistressJustice- Proud American.
I’m sorry valley, I didn’t realize that mentioning the SHORT-BUS was on the NOT-POLITICALLY-CORRECT terms list.
Could you give me the entire list of those terms you find objectionable.
misstress, I couldn’t give a fiddlers fart about you and you law school papers. I do however believe that Ayers should have been FRIED in the electric chair. Not for standing on nor burning the flag, but for being a Terrorist and attacking the U.S..
If you don’t agree with my comments, I suggest you move to a more oppresive society.
You’re not even a challenge mistress. Or is it queen?
So, you think you can use any slur against anyone any cry Political Correctness to cover your ass? The fact that liberals want to enforce political correctness doesn’t mean conservatives can’t have decent manners.
Man, I love it when libs get all angry.
It’s funny watching them try desperately to pretend to be Patriotic.
Valley, get a grip, I said SHORT BUS.
Grow a pair.
It offends me too. Other things that greatly offend me: racist speech, anti-Semitism, homophobia, Holocaust denial, etc.
I have no honor or pride in this country? Please. I have honor and pride in what America represents. This is a country where people can do what they want to protest and as long as no property is being damaged and no one is being hurt, it’s perfectly fine.
American soldiers die in wars in order to continue this tradition. If they’ve died to preserve a piece of cloth, it’s a horrible waste. If they’ve died to preserve our freedoms that make this country the best in the world, then it’s a noble and amazing sacrifice.
Libocrat, I shouldn’t respond to you because you’re behaving like a jerk, but since you questioned how I feel about the terms you mentioned, I guess I’ll bite.
You know Fred Phelps? Protests the funerals of American servicemen? “God Hates Fags!” and all that horrible stuff. He’s an intolerant monster.
But he has every right to say what he has to say. Because here in America that’s a right we all have. Even the worst among us have that right.
If neo-Nazis want to march in a town with a large number of Holocaust survivors, that’s their right too.
I could give two figs if flag burning offends you. Personal offense is no reason to undermine the First Amendment. And if you care more about cloth than you do about freedom, then you’re the one with no honor or pride in this country.
I would do it and be proud to do so cause I love my country and my flag that represents my country and the blood of my botheres and sisters that was shed so people who where no willing to serve. You should read the Marine Corp. hymm but unless you have been in service of this great nation i doubt you would understand…… below is some history for you…
n 1989 the Supreme Court, in response to a flag burning by a communist, amended the Constitution by inserting flag burning into the Bill of Rights. Their decision took away a fundamental right of the American people, a right we possessed since our birth as a nation, the right to protect our flag. We believe that decision was an egregious error and distorted our Constitution. We do not believe the freedom to burn the American flag is a legacy of the freedoms bestowed on us by Madison and Jefferson and Washington and the other architects of our Constitution. To distort the work of these great men, to put flag burning side by side with pornography as protected speech, is outrageous.
mistress,
sorry, was sarcasm. was hoping maybe there’d be a change, but wasnt holding my breath.
Imagine if you did think that way, jsut for a day. see things from another point of view, perhaps?