McCain to speak at open-borders La Raza (”The Race”) conference
The John McCain campaign celebrated Cinco de Mayo today by launching a Spanish-language version of its website–and announcing that McCain will speak at the annual conference of the National Council of La Raza (that’s “The Race”). The campaign justifies his appearance by framing it as a gesture of inclusiveness and outreach that is “part of his commitment to talking with all Americans.” Yes, they see it as an act of tolerance to legitimize the militantly open-borders, anti-immigration enforcement, ethnic nationalists who call themselves “The Race.”
From the press release:
U.S. Senator John McCain today issued the following statement on Cinco de Mayo as his campaign announced several new Spanish efforts:
“Cinco de Mayo commemorates an important moment in the history of Mexico’s path to freedom. On this day in 1862, a small group of Mexican troops overcame overwhelming force to win the Battle of Puebla. Today, we join together to remember the sacrifice that these Mexican patriots endured, as well as the struggles of all those around the world striving for freedom. We recognize as well the important friendship that exists between our country and Mexico, and celebrate the many contributions Mexican-Americans have made to our society, culture, security and economy.”
The Cinco de Mayo statement can now also be found on the Spanish section of the official campaign website at http://espanol.johnmccain.com, which the campaign launched today. This part of the website will feature regular updates in Spanish throughout the election.
Finally, as part of his commitment to talking with all Americans during this presidential campaign, the McCain presidential campaign announced that John McCain will attend the La Raza Annual Convention in San Diego on July 14, 2008.
As I noted in February, McCain is La Raza’s voice in Washington.
Let me again remind you about what I reported:
You want straight talk? McCain’s tongue says he’s “listened and learned.” But his heart is with La Raza, the militantly ethnocentric, anti-immigration enforcement Hispanic lobbying group that honored him in 1999 and whose annual conference he keynoted in 2004…
…Crooked talk: He says he’ll build the fence.
Straight talk: He resents what he calls the “goddamned fence.”
John McCain and La Raza-The Race share a deep-seated contempt for grass-roots conservatives who worked successfully to defeat the disastrous amnesty bill. And they share a common impulse to marginalize their political opponents as “haters.”
Thus, La Raza-The Race has launched a new “We Can Stop the Hate” campaign–smack dab in the middle of the campaign season–to redefine tough policy criticism from the Right as “hate.” They protest that it is “racist” and out-of-bounds to talk about reconquista–even as the McCain campaign boasts a “Mexico First/”Just A Region”/”Free Flow of People” outreach director who’s practicing it out in the open for the leading GOP presidential front-runner.
Yes, an ethnic separatist group that calls itself “The Race”–a group that has embraced John McCain and vice versa–has the gall to crusade against “hate.” Chris Kelly notes that La Raza-The Race head Janet Murguia is calling for networks to keep immigration enforcement proponents off the airwaves and that both La Raza-The Race and another open-borders group are pushing for Fairness Doctrine policies to shut up their foes.
Read it:
Ms. Murguia argued that hate speech should not be tolerated, even if such censorship were a violation of First Amendment rights: “Everyone knows there is a line sometimes that can be crossed when it comes to free speech. And when free speech transforms into hate speech, we’ve got to draw that line. And that’s what we’re doing here today. And we need to make sure that network executives will hold their people accountable and not cross that line.”
Murgia praised McCain and looks forward to the “tapering down” of immigration enforcement efforts if he wins the White House: “With his emergence as a leading Republican presidential primary contender, I do think that we’ll see this toned down… Does it mean that we know everything he’s going to do in that area of reform? And I know he’s got his work cut out for him with a number of people, and we’ll see him put this whole platform together, but we do believe that if he ends up being in a lead role here, we think that that issue will be tapered down.”
No respect for the rule of law. No respect for the First Amendment.
Like John McCain said: “I’ll rely on people to judge me by the company that I keep.”
The company John McCain keeps:
Russ Feingold.
Teddy Kennedy.
Lindsay Grahamnesty.
Juan “Mexico First/Free Flow” Hernandez.
Jerry “Spanish first” Perenchio.
Geraldo Rivera.
La Raza.
Charles Keating.
John Kerry.
The New York Times.
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Will Juan Hernandez be there to cheer his man on?
Keep McCain’s decision to speak to “The Race” convention in mind the next time he sanctimoniously rushes to the liberal media condemn conservatives as racists for having the audacity to bring up Jeremiah Wright or demand strict immigration enforcement.
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Back in February, Victor Davis Hanson wrote incisively about the ethnic hatred La Raza and its satellites foment. He also observed: “By November I don’t know why either Sen. Clinton or Sen. Obama should not have been asked to repudiate the support of an organization self-described as “The National Council of The Race.”
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# 188 AC
well said …
/oh, and prepare for flames, pal …
I am not crazy, I am willing to take my chances, just as you McCain supporters are willing to take yours with this man who has shown only contempt towards conservatives. Good luck and let’s see who turns out to be the wiser in the end. Just don’t insult some of us or call us crazy or stupid. The more McBots call people like me names, the MORE I become resolved to NEVER EVER pull the lever for McCain, EVER.
“let’s see who turns out to be the wiser in the end”
um, that would be whoever DOESN”T put shillery or b.o. in the wh …
I’ll make it easy for thse who did what GAMidnightRider did:
Here are the email addresses of the RNC people:
Chairman@gop.com
info@gop.com
RNCommunications@gop.com
Info@gop.com
Political@gop.com
ecampaign@gop.com
Membershipservices@gop.com
Please send email to them, stressing three points:
* that La Raza is a racist organization working to the detriment of the USA
* that John McC appearing before them is no different than if he were to give a sermon supporting Black Theology at “Rev” Wright’s church, in that just showing up legitimizes their positions and policies.
(no bs from water carriers like buckaroo, please, who will tell us that McCain will give a tepid speech. That’s not the point: ONLY if McC tells La Raza to stick their racism and fascism up their arses will his speech satisfy us)
* that you no longer consider yourself a GOP member, and that their appeals for money and votes are useless. (ask yourself: just where is the GOP getting new money these days? )
I’ll let someone else come up with email addresses for the mccain campaign itself, to do the same thing.
Bottom line: tell’em you don’t get their vote OR their money!
They may say they have written us off already, but it’s curious that they still litter my snailmail with requests for $$ (which I send back, postage on their nickel, with a hearty FU scrawled across their mailing!).
Precisely why McCain isn’t getting my vote.
Roger, Buckaroo. I have been saying this for a while, but not in such a strident atmosphere as tonight. I am a Reagan fan myself, but I don’t believe in fighting for the same ground twice. For some reason, enough Rs (or maybe some unpublicized OPN CHAOS in reverse waged by Randi Rhodes…)got McCain the nomination. Ergo, he gets my vote. No way am I going to sit around for four years and hope that collectively we clue in and can vote out the incumbent.
I will make it….really….really…SIMPLE for Buckaroo.
Hillary and Obama have told us what they will do. they both are in favor of supporting “amnesty”.
John McCain has NOT told us EXACTLY what he will do, especially on illegal immigration. He won’t even admit the plain meaning of his Kennedy-McCain legislation, which was…. amnesty.
Instead he has waffled, he has prevaricated, he has let his contempt for those who oppose illegal immigration and other conservative positions squeak out, like a poorly-held fart.
WHY should we vote for a WEASEL??? why should we accept his position , which is “EFF YOU, but vote for me anyway”
Just answer the friggin question, will you, buckaroo?
# 193
firstly, piss off with the gratuitous attacks …
secondly, it’s hardly as if it’s a secret with how to electronically get a hold of the JSM campaign —
here
you can also flood all 50 state offices — go nuts!
have a blast
Buckaroo, don’t be so sure, so many have fallen by that certainty sword. But I understand how some are so terrified, so scared of the other 2 that they are willing to get kicked in the face (as conservatives) over and over and over by McCain. I don’t blame you guys for feeling this way. I guess if McCain sees that conservatives are willing to take anything and still vote for him, why should he try to, in any way, appease conservatives? No need, such are in his collumn no matter what he does to them. I am just not willing to be abused like that. I have voted for the “lesser of 2 evils” before and it did not turn out very well at all. I simply cannot stomach it and I strongly believe that it will be the wrong move.
“I am a Reagan fan myself, but I don’t believe in fighting for the same ground twice. ”
Huh. You call yourself Armored CAV, and yet you don’t believe in WINNING BACK previously-won ground?
So, I guess you believe in ….retreat and defeat?
What did you do in the Armored CAV: peel potatoes?
Get a hold of the MCain campaign? Like he cares what we have to say. Come on, that is a waste of time, what a joke. As if that worked when we were fighting his amnesty. Sure, he will see the light. Good luck with that one if anyone tries it. I will not waste my time with that. I think I will try to get some sleep.
I think the contemptuous Buckaroo forgets how Mccain’s blatantly dishonest and unethical attempt to ram through his amnesty program without allowing the Senate the time to read the bill was SUNK by those who inundated congressional offices and the RNC.
“Have a blast”, indeed: do you understand how much $$ you just cost your RINO GOP tonight?
I think we could at least start a grass roots movement in the R party by encouraging everyone who is registered R to switch to I or whatever. Let them see the Rs bailing in DROVES.
Even those of you who are going to vote for McCain could do this just to send the message. If we spread this around the net and get it going, maybe they’ll think twice when the convention rolls around.
We have to DO something! This will at least be a way to send a fairly immediate message.
“WHY should we vote for” [and i leave out your latest ad hominem]
i’ve posted several times before why to vote for JSM — i prolly should keep it as a text file somewhere since you mds sufferers never quit, but anyway, from the hip:
* will work on reining in spending
* will not piss away 5 years of progress in iraq
* will not allow the military to die on the vine
* will actually support life within the womb
* will support citizens who wish to keep and bear arms
* and will, contrary to one stupid comment, put judges like the most recent 2 supremes onto the bench — in the district and circuit courts as well [people tend to forget those ones matter too!]
True
Ad Hominem. Good one. No, I don’t believe in fighting for the same ground twice, but last time I looked, Reagan was not on the ballot. And the only one that is willing to prosecute the WAR we are in as a nation, is McCain. Duh.
Nice ad hominem. Or maybe straw man. Even red herring. Get some logic in your “argument” or give it up. You can infer this from nothing I said.
Man, three ad hominems. You must have smoked your high school debate team.
Hmm. Two contingency missions to Kuwait, one Kosovo, one Macedonia, two Iraq deployments. Spent six years separated from my wife and children so far to defend this nation and you. That enough for you? What have you done?
RealImmigrantChick: yes, I recommend you get some sleep. That’s what lazy, unprincipled cynics do.
I remind you: we defeated McCain two years ago when he tried to pass his Amnesty bill.
If you’re too jaded to actually “do” politics, maybe you should spend your time over on oprah.com.
Yeah, that’s it: I hear that Tom Cruise is explaining the couch incident. That’s more your speed.
# 199
now you’re insulting vets?
wotta ass …
Michelle – Maybe this could be something you could suggest while on FOX?
The posting is too fast. lol
Michelle – for what I meant you could suggest, see post #202
# 201
flash memo, moron — I’m HAPPY mccain-kennedy was defeated. It serves as an object lesson for JSM, W, and many others.
and if you actually think JSM will NOT want hits and submissions from voters onto his website, yer even stupider than your postings suggest …
Buckaroo,
I think his drool cup spilled on his keyboard and the keys that he is typing are not what he thinks they are.
# 208
noble idea perhaps, but not sure it will have any impact on ‘08 …
That explains why he grudgingly stated he would secure the borders – not because US Citizens want it, but because most hispanics want it.
The fallacy in McCain’s desire to be compassionate toward illegal immigrants, is the lack of compassion he shows to victims of crimes committed by illegals. He would not tell a hypothetical soldier serving in Iraq that a family member was going to be deported, yet he is silent when a soldier serving in Iraq is informed that her son has been murdered by an illegal alien.
McCain has not shown any compassion toward victims of illegal alien crimes. Deport the criminals? That is a solution after the fact, and does nothing to prevent the crimes from happening. And we find more and more that deportation is a joke. The same actors are back in the US in no time committing the same crimes that got them deported in the first place.
Unfortunately, all 3 candidates are in favor of continuing this nightmare. Perhaps it is better to let a Democrat take the heat for the inevitable backlash that will occur from amnesty.
# 210 AC
possibly
/hey, looking at your deployments i think you may have served with an old college roommate of mine …
If it was in 94, 98, 00, 01, 03, or 07, that is very possible!
ArmoredCAV: I beg you to go to any website relating to Intellectual Fallacies.
NOTHING I said has anything to do with an ad hominem argument.
Same advice to Buckaroo, your pseudo-intellectual twin.
True, I jeered at your sig, as I found it inconsistent with your position. But that’s a different kettle of fish. And as far as I can see, it’s still on point.
As for Reagan: YOU brought him up, for unknown reasons. Why did you do that?
As for McCain being the only one who will prosecute the war: that’s the sole point in his favor, one you NOW bring up as if it were decisive.
EXPLAIN why I should have known what you were talking about when you posted, out of the blue.
RealImmigrantChick, you are not crazy. As for my decision, it will be whatever I think best for the country.
I must say Buckaroo, do you remember Bob Dole in the 1996 presidential election? He was the kinder gentler version of John McCain.
If you remember his debates with President Clinton they were almost chummy. Bob Dole lost because he dissed conservatives….In 2000 we got another RINO named GW Bush… but other than on the subject of immigration (which was on the back-burner at the time), he has done a LOT better things for conservatives than “Let’s Make A DEal” Dole would ever have done because GW Bush listened to us on the stuff that was critical at that time eventhough I knew Bush was a RINO as was Bob Dole.
Losing McCAin to get a Better candidate is worthwhile, if he doesn’t do some major re-orientation to convince me he is WORTHY of my vote.
Here is a suggestion…this Fall take out a piece of paper and list candidates by number -no names written- and evaluate what candidate 1, 2, and maybe 3 etc. propose on issues. You will find that so far there isn’t any longterm difference between them other than whether you like their personality or not.
Never vote on personality-vote on results-just what can you honestly say you will get.
Think longterm, even if the short-term hurts
# 214 AC
“98, 00, 01″
could be one of those …
# 215
dumbass, yer making ad hominem attacks in virtually every post — that’s what he’s saying …
“Buckaroo,
I think his drool cup spilled on his keyboard and the keys that he is typing are not what he thinks they are.”
Now that’s snot-flinging, but it’s not quite good enough to be “ad hominem”, except that it intimates that I am senile.
I’m thinking more and more that Buckaroo and ArmoredCAV are doppel-gangers.
Too much “small minds think alike” here….
# 219
long walk, short pier …
/news flash — i am not a veteran, AC is …
FullDroolcup.
My comment on Reagan is based on the fact that I am a staunch conservative. I am, however, willing to vote for any R in a storm based on current realities.
I stand by my comment that your post was merely an ad hominem attack on me personally. I challenge you to go back and re-read it and point out anything that was a substantive response to my original post. I will wait for it.
I submit that there was nothing there. All you did was cast aspersions on my career and my professionalism, which I do not appreciate in the slightest-this does not speak well of your ability to form a well-reasoned argument.
Meh. so you say.
What neither of you will do is argue ON THE MERITS.
Here’s the definition of ad hominem:
“It is most commonly used to refer specifically to the ad hominem abusive, or argumentum ad personam, which consists of criticizing or personally attacking an argument’s proponent in an attempt to discredit that argument. It is also used when an opponent is unable to find fault with an argument, yet for various reasons, the opponent disagrees with it.”
My jeering at your inability to make an argument is NOT an ad hominem arguement. I offered arguments of my own. Some were rhetorical questions, clearly hostile to your/CAVs positions, but they were not made INSTEAD OF addressing your arguments—because you didn’t make any!!
Both of you offer strings of unsupported assertions (such as unsupported bullet points as to why we should support MCC).
They are not arguments.
Big waste o’time trying to explain this to you.
It’s like trying to engage lgm.
Will the McCain supporters on this site describe to us the merit of fighting wars overseas against Islamists when their candidate will simply let the Islamists move in next door?
We amnestied some of the 9/11 hijackers in 1986. How many more will we amnesty this time?
The “invade the world/invite the world” strategy is not one I’m willing to go to the polls to vote for.
All you did was comment on my name/profession. See previous post for response. I would take mine over yours any day.
Because I am a strong supporter of Reagan and his principles. I served in his Honor Guard in DC for several years.
IT IS DECISIVE. Yes, I bring it up in the one post I made. So?
BECAUSE!! I have expressed my opinion. Next time I will give you a short count-down post before I actually express an opinion if this will help you better assimilate it…
Note how I respond to your points, and refrain from snide comments about you?
1. I did not make an argument, I stated an opinion. Big difference.
2. You did not challenge my opinion, you made your snide “retreat” and “potato peeler” comments.
3. Once again, go back to my original stated opinion, re-read your reply, and tell me where you did ANYTHING other than crack on me personally. Show me one example. I continue to wait.
4. Once again, you attack by making an inaccurate and worthless comparison to LGM.
CAV: Sorry, but John McCain is to Ronald Reagan as ….George W. Bush is to Ronald Reagan! Only worse.
I invite YOU to point out any “argument” you made. You know, with reasoning buttressed by facts, examples, etc.
As for casting aspersions on your service: perhaps you can explain to us why your sig here should automatically cut you some slack.
Suppose I were to sign myself “Medal of Honor”. Nothing to stop me.
Would that mean everyone would have to genuflect in my direction every tme I posed? That my views were sacrosanct?
And isn’t this the “chickenhawk” argument in reverse?
. True. Never said anything different. My first comment was to the effect of “as bad as he is,…” I say again, Reagan is not on the ballot.
. For the 8th or 9th time, I stated my opinion. Which is obviously contrary to yours and I am not sure why you are so spun up. I don’t claim to be making an argument.
Perhaps you can point out to me where I have asked for “slack?” My comment was that I don’t appreciate attacks on me as your only stated reply to my (1oth time) opinion. Once again, I challenge you to show me where you did anything that was not an attack on me in your first reply to me.
You are correct. Except that I don’t think you can re-register when it is not open… Moot point.
No. Just like nothing I have said requires that of anyone.
If I had made any comments that could infer this, yes. But since I have not made any… no. Please let me know what you do for a living so that I can revert to cracking on it, so that I can rise to your level of “spirited debate.”
Oh, sorry… CAV only expressed an “opinion”.
Got it. Opinions can’t be attacked.
Opinions are, after all, like a-holes: everyone’s got one.
I see my mistake.
I took CAV seriously. I thought he meant what he said and invited comment.
Won’t do that again!
Promise.
I cannot vote for the traitor McCain.
We really need to focus on our respective congressional delegations, and support our true conservatives.
Let’s work on getting more signers for save, and get this legislation past the socialist Pelosi.
Drool.
Yes, I stated an opinion. Feel free to reply to my opinion. Here is what is in bounds. “I am a conservative Republican that grew up with Ronald Reagan. Despite this, I am voting for the only quasi-Republican presidential candidate in NOV because I feel that any R is better than HRC or BHO.” (Remember this?)
Here is what is not in bounds. My name, my service in the military. To date, this is all you have addressed. For the tenth or eleventh time, I challenge you to show me ONE time where you have responded to my opinion rather than to me personally. Go ahead. Show me one time. one time. Or give it up.
Waiting… Waiting… Tap Tap tap.
Maybe this falls under the category of “Keep your friends close and your “Enricos” closer”…..?
Look, he is doing the right thing by talking to them…as long as he closes the border, which I think he will.And he knows how to prosecute the war, and let’s face it, at this point in time that is incredibly important.
For all of you waiting for the perfect candidate…they don’t exist.
And ,seriously, you are all starting to sound like whiny liberals………
McCain is a disgrace.
He makes me want to vomit.
We need to work constructively around him, e.g., by getting more signers for the SAVE Act.
I WILL NEVER vote for McCain.
Christmas Ghost,
You are correct. The perfect candidate does not exist, which is a sad state of affairs for the GOP, and does not bode well for our conservative future.
Watch out for Full Drool Cup, because he is about to jump all over your name to signify that he disagrees with your opinions! Have fun.
McCain must be denied our support and the presidency if our nation is to survive.
Obama will surely fail within four years.
And I’m beginning to think that HRC will be more pragmatic (looking ahead to a re-election), and less stupid than Senile McCain.
Don’t settle (and support) the “lesser of the evils”.
By calling himself a Republican, yet pursuing his liberal-socialist agenda, Senile McCain has earned our wrath forever.
I WILL NEVER support him. Let the chips fall where they may. We will pick up the pieces in 4 years. And we will have our values and our party.
Senile McCain: go to h&ll!!!
Dammit, CAV: don’t come here using a military sig and then demand that we genuflect in your direction!
Now, you have your reasons aka “opinions” as to why you will vote for McCain.
Fine. But this isn’t a Thursday Afternoon Chowder and Marching Society, it’s a freaking political blog where it gets down and dirty.
Your “opinion” that McC is “better’n any Democrat” assumes that McC is NOT a shape-shifting liberal aka a Democrat.
Your “opinion” struck me as wimpish and defeatist, like something Eeyore would say.
“Whatchagonnado???”
Sorry, but awarding McC the presidency would simply set the conservative wing of the GOP (formerly known as the Republicans) back by years, if not forever.
that’s not gonna happen w/o a fight.
If nothing else, the drones at the RNC have to take note that millions of the people they have historically drawn on for $$ are telling them to go pound sand.
If you want to roll over supinely and submissively, then that’s your business.
But in that case don’t hold yourself out as a conservative.
“liberal-socialist agenda”
PISS OFF — show me a shred of evidence for that …
/mds — truly an ugly disease …
Everett,
Having watched how the last several presidents have aged while in the White House, I am pretty confident that we’ll get a new guy in there in four years whether McCain wins or not! I recommend that we wait to see who his VP pick is before we finalize our voting plans. Maybe he’ll surprise us, and I don’t mean with Leiberman.
I don’t like the guy’s position on practically anything, but I know that one of the three will be president. I don’t want it to be the other two much more than I don’t want it to be McCain.
Yep, I am taking the lesser of three evils approach.
ArmoredCAV……okay, I’ll bite. Literally.HEH….
It’s really not a shame that a perfect candidate doesn’t exist…it’s just reality. Perfect to whom for instance?
I like McCain…he will be a great president. I am old enough to call myself a Reagan republican and I remember that quite a few people were saying almost the exact same things about Reagan that they are saying now about McCain.
Most voters have never been to the middle east or lived in a third world country and they don’t have a clue as to how horrible people can be…McCain does. And that, my friend, is a huge advantage.
I think that within the next two years we will be in a global conflict against the islamofascists…..also known as WW3. Let’s face it the Chinese and Iranians aren’t building up their military might for laughs….so for all of you McCain bashers here, think about who you want prosecuting that, hmmmm?
Or I suppose you could continue to whine and threaten to take your marbles and go home without casting a vote which is just so productive.
Yea, OF MEXICO!!!
Senile McCain, Senile McCain, Senile McCain, Senile McCain, Senile McCain, Senile McCain, Senile McCain, Senile McCain, Senile McCain, Senile McCain, Senile McCain, Senile McCain, Senile McCain, Senile McCain, Senile McCain.
Senile McCain, Senile McCain, Senile McCain, Senile McCain, Senile McCain, Senile McCain, Senile McCain, Senile McCain, Senile McCain, Senile McCain.
Re CAV’s latest post:
“I don’t like the guy’s position on practically anything, but I know that one of the three will be president. I don’t want it to be the other two much more than I don’t want it to be McCain.”
Q.E.D.
I look forward to the lively intellectual debate between CAV and do-or-die McCain zealot Buckaroo!
At this absurd point, I am reminded of the Simpsons episode where Bart and Lisa argue over who loves their father more:
Bart: “YOU love him more.”
Lisa: “No, YOU do.”
Bart: “No, YOU.
Lisa: “No YOU.”
Homer, in the end, “got it”.
Do Buckaroo and CAV?
Full Drool Cup,
See you are now almost responding to my opinion. I had almost given up! My concern over your attack on my profession would be the same if I was a (insert any profession/job here). Cracking on me does not in any way address my opinion, and all it does is antagonize me. I could care less what your views on the military are, and I have never indicated that my job or service are sacrosanct. If this thread was about the merits of military service, attack me all you want. If it is about McCain, I don’t see where my name matters in the slightest, yet that is what you have dwelled on, and you have done it deliberately. Give it a rest.
I agree with most of what you say, and I have not arrived at my voting plans easily. I acknowledge that it is a risk to get McCain in, but the sense of the country as a whole has shifted vastly since the ’80s. True conservatives are fewer and farther between. As I just commented, I hope against hope that he makes a great VP pick and maybe that guy can move into the driver’s seat in four years. Who knows? Now, please discontinue commenting about my name, and don’t expect me to back up my opinion with links, facts and substance because it is largely driven by my gut feeling. I can’t quantify that. So, what is your profession? And who, of the three candidates, do you want in the job?
How can anyone call themselves a patriot while promoting the devaluation of US Citizenship?
Why do I need to be a citizen? What is the benefit? What is the value?
Anyone can walk into the country and have equal status to a citizen, for free.
I was raised to believe it was a precious gift. Its part of my core belief. My family has served this land before it was the United States in almost every conflict including the war for independence. We paid our dues. The country works because of this love and dedication shared by loyal citizens, not because of revisionist history, not because of the United Nations, and d*mned sure not because of the US Congress.
I have never been so disappointed in a human being as I have been in John McCain. He has the ability to get elected by taking a stand for what is fundamentally right, rather than what is appealing to the liberal leftists. He doesn’t need to sell us out, but he is doing it anyway. And there in lies the rub.. He doesn’t need to pander. He can win anyway.
Its the most pathetic thing I can imagine…. to see a legitimate hero and warrior be wrapped up in beltway- think, and to metaphorically spit on our values and way of life.
A moment of silence for the man McCain could be rather than the man he is.
fulldroolcup….no offense but this is an incredibly inane thing to say:
“Sorry, but awarding McC the presidency would simply set the conservative wing of the GOP (formerly known as the Republicans) back by years, if not forever.”
we aren’t playing “tribes” here toots….we are a nation at war and we aren’t talking about “awarding” anyone anything. mccain is a good man….would you prefer hillary or obama? seriously…i don’t give a rip about my political party, i care about my country first, and god forbid obama should get elected. we wouldn’t have a country left when he was through much less a “party”.
ROFL
McCain will let all of the Islamofascists move in next door to you, just like in Dearborn, Minnesota, Texas, Phoenix, and a load of other places. What does it matter how much we fight them overseas?
Ultimately, we don’t have to prosecute a war against them at all IF WE DON’T LET THEM IN.
Christmas Ghost – There are those of us who are also thinking of our country first who simply don’t agree with you that McCain should get our votes and that voting for him would be the best thing for the country.
Nice sentiment, AmericanGruntHog. I absolutely agree with all. Only difference is that my family were Tories in the Revolution. Yes, my absolute disgust with this plank in the McCain program is absolutely at odds with my plan to vote for him because, as ChristmasGhost says, he gets it on the GWOT.
“do-or-die McCain zealot Buckaroo!”
hey dumbass …
long walk — short pier
AC chooses to vote for JSM ’cause it is by far the best option this autumn — which is also how i feel!
/why your tiny mind can’t handle that is beyond me …
“McCain will let all of the Islamofascists move in next door to you”
prove that, you stupid mental midget …
Buckaroo,
Again, roger! I asked Full Drool Cup a while ago who he wanted for President. I am really curious. I truly despise the other two options, and will not stand by and let them into the job, unopposed, with a far-left Senate and House. If we had either of the other branches of the government, I would not necessarily consider it, but as it is, I will.
everett et al…..
of mexico?
oh, good lord….paranoia anyone?
i am for closing the borders…that’s where i stand.trust me…i really do care about closing the borders and enforcing our laws.i am a DAR girl after all………
but, you have to be careful that you don’t win the battle and lose the war and make no mistake about it…not only are we at war but we are in a war here in America to stay American.
so…do any of you “i would rather cut off my nose to spite my face” folks think that hillary or obama would close the borders AT ALL? get real.
see what i mean? and what do you accomplish with all this “i won’t vote” crap….yup, that will really show those liberal democrats.
so mccain is too liberal for you huh? is he as liberal as hillary or obama?
rhetorical……
i am always wary of people that make grandiose claims about not voting at all [insert little petulant foot stamp here] because what? they think they are going to “show” someone something?
come on…this is the big league, not third grade.
sack up……
Nice work, Christmas Ghost.
What was that about ad hominem again?
Do you ever read JihadWatch? How about Debbie Schlussel? Let those alone. Do you even read this site?
Ad hominem is the most graceless way of admitting you have no argument.
dumbass, i asked you to prove JSM would specifically let islamofascists move in next door to us; you have FAILED to do so; you simply regurgitated some links from well-known anti-jihadists, who, frankly, tend to touch a bit on the hysterical …
gracias ,armoredCAV…heh heh heh.
couldn’t resist….
Nice to see a bit of humor out there… Too many people getting all testy!!
you have to laugh….really, did you ever think the “dims” would implode the way they are? i’m surprised there isn’t a popcorn shortage yet…..
i guess that will happen at the convention..LOL.
Implosion, though probably short-lived, is sweet. The press reports the demise of one political party or the other as often as they report global-cooling, I mean global-warming, no wait it is now climate change to cover all!
Now I know I’m talking to a lib.
Robert Spencer is hysterical? Michelle Malkin is hysterical? You are aware that HotAir frequently hosts Spencer and is owned by Malkin, right? Can you please name a time where Spencer went on a hysterical rant in one of his presentations, speeches, or blog posts?
The McCain amnesty bill allowed for the now – infamous “Z visas,” which required almost nothing for a background check. Perhaps you were getting your information about the McCain-kennedy amnesty bill at DKos in 2006 though. Or you were living under a rock.
I might add, Buckaroo, that any Muslim believing the orthodox interpretation of Surah 9:29 is a potential terrorist. How many Muslims who immigrate here do so? We have no way of knowing. But we’ve been having plenty of trouble with the ones already here. I’m sure you just think I’m an “Islamophobe” or a “bigot” though.
PRCalDude,
Given that I agree with your sentiments, I ask out of ignorance, regardless of the future president, what can we do, working within current laws, to address the problem that “every muslim…is a potential terrorist?” I mean, what is your recommendation for a practical way of dealing with a large muslim population in a country that espouse religious freedom for all. This is not a debate, I just want your views because I wrestle with this one.
michelle gets close to hysterics at times, yes — here JSM-bashing threads are clear evidence …
i notice you didn’t bother to mention debbie, cause we’ve all seen her various all caps screeds …
I am not a liberal — if i were i would support one of the useless donks …
/sheesh …
We stop all Muslim immigration. Period. We allow no more in and we monitor the ones we have. They are like Communists or Nazis, but have a 1500 year tradition of murder and subjugation, unlike the former.
This is the only sane answer. Not letting at least another 100 million people come here, including many Muslims, who will establish little jihad enclaves like Dearborn.
I’ll tell you what. If there’s another war overseas, and we’ve passed an amnesty, I won’t be responding to any reserve recalls. I’ll have plenty to defend right at home.
Hiya Buckaroo -
Actually, since there’s usually about 100 or so candidates running for the office each Presidential election cycle, I suspect some folks might count one or two of ‘em as their own “best options.” Different strokes , as the 70s TV show sez.
Debbie is hysterical? The only one engaging in hysterics here is you. The rest of us feel as though we’re screaming at a wall because we see the threat and those like you refuse to, preferring instead to malign those providing the warning.
PRCalDude,
Though I personally agree, it will have to get a lot worse before either party will do the smart, but draconian, thing. I think we have to watch Eurabia get worse and worse so that we can avoid going there. Hopefully all sides eventually clue in. I am not optimistic that we will figure it out in time. Lucky GOP birthrates are a bit higher than Dem ones…
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PISS OFF …
i am well aware of the threat ihe islamists pose; and of the 3 running, 1 will deal with it, it’s handwringers like you trying to cast yourselves as cassandras when the alarm has already gone off, yet you sit and wait for “the perfect” that are becoming part of the problem …
I just want to cry when I hear stories like this. It seems like everyone in this country pretty much acknowledges the following: whoever gets elected president this election cycle will so thoroughly ruin the country with their particular brand of socialism that it will take years, if not a decade or more to recover.
Thus, I cannot force myself to even “hold my nose” and vote for McCain, I just will not vote for a president period. None of the candidates are qualified and all of them are so self-absorbed that they can’t see how bad of a president that they would be.
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“It seems like everyone in this country pretty much acknowledges the following: whoever gets elected president this election cycle will so thoroughly ruin the country”
nooooo — 2 will, 1 won’t …
At the risk of allowing myself to get pulled into another long debate, i have to say that not voting is like standing aside and watching the crime being committed but doing nothing. Like it or not, one of these three candidates will be president. There is no magic fourth alternative. It is incumbent on all of us to assess them, make an honest choice as to which is best (or least bad) and then work to ensure that this person gets elected.
Alright, Buckaroo, I am racking for the night. I can’t say that you didn’t call exactly what was coming in your early post to me. I’m glad that I am on leave right now and will be sleeping in.
Regards,
Using that analogy, ACav, wouldn’t helping any of the criminals to succeed make that person a party to the crime?
Okay, okay, bad analogy. I’m tired and heading out soon. Hopefully you get the meaning though? Basically we are all responsible for the president we get, either through our inaction or action. Two options: wait four or more likely eight years and assume that we can clean up the mess, or else take the stop-gap now in order to maintain an R in the presidency, and hope for something better next time around. I am opting for the second option because I have an incredible disdain for two of the three candidates, and a lesser distaste for the third.
I will not hit refresh.
Your intellect astounds me. Why did I think I could engage you?
Alright. Well, you’re going to bed anyways. Email me tomorrow if you want to keep up the discussion.
So everyone who bashes McCain, when he clearly deserves it, is close to hysterical… that’s pretty.. uh… hysterical.
Btw Buckaroo, your thuggish attitude and smarmy language isn’t ever going to win any converts. It doesn’t surprise me you like McCain. Two peas in a pod.
PRCalDude – you’re right on the money.
Bingo!
Yeah, I got the meaning and I’m ready for sack time myself, lol.
Tho I would disagree somewhat with this:
I could vote seversal dozen times for McCain, but my region will go “D”, if not “L” (liberal). And I don’t expect certain states – like NY , barring a suspension of the laws of the universe, to go “R”.
If you mean “we” as in voting blocs I think you’re more right on. With very few exceptions (e.g. FL 2000) large blocs have much more influence in determining electors.
I imagine it might not be such a bad idea if a person does expect the worst case scenerio(s) for the next four years, that way any good things will be a real windfall!
Sleep well!
AC, rest well — and btw thank you for your service; enjoy your leave …
most of the rest of you, bash JSM all you want, but you’ve got a choice to make, and amidst all your rationalizations & name calling, you have failed to address the central issue — precisely one choice come nov. is positive, the rest foolish …
Buckaroo – when you stop calling everyone names and cussing at everyone who disagrees I may consider you to have some credibility or moral authority to tell the rest of us to stop name-calling.
We have fully addressed the central issue, you just don’t get it.
McCain never passes up an opportunity to reinforce my decision never to vote for him.
Here is a campaign slogan for “my friend”:
McCain ‘08 for el presidente
Sigh.
Conservative judges? Not with a Democrat Senate. Want a GOP Congress? Not gonna happen with a presidente McCain.
Won’t pull out of Iraq? Neither will the Democrats (everyone knows that they are lying when they tell the far left what they want to hear, just like we all know McCain is lying when he tells us that he now gets the illegal immigration issue).
As far as McCain being better on the global war on terror, I’m not convinced of that. Suppose there is another attack carried out in America. Who do you think would be tougher, Hillary or McCain?
McCain: I still won’t waterboard anyone.
vs.
Hillary: You terrorists dare carry out an attack during my presidency?! Waterboarding ain’t nothing compared to what I’m going to do to you terrorists when I sink my claws into you!
How exactly is McCain supposed to be better?
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no, you don’t get it — and that stupid mentality has the potential to put a marxist in the wh — i choose not to be part of such insanity …
# 284
hillary the hawk? that’s almost delusional …
Is Hillary a hawk? No.
Is she vindictive? You betcha.
The difference between her and McCain is that McCain is only vindictive against conservatives. Hillary doesn’t care who you are, if you try to ruin her presidency, she will go nuclear.
btw – I voted for Mitt Romney, so I am NOT responsible for McCain, B. Hussein or Hillary.
Your arguments are like saying if Stalin and Hitler were the two candidates, I’d HAVE to vote for one of them. And no, I’m not saying the three we have are anything like them, but just making the analogy.
You prefer McCain because you don’t see what will happen if he’s elected. The R’s won’t be able to fight him cuz he’s one of them and the dems like him too… he could wreak far more havock than B. Hussein who is a racist nutjob but won’t get anywhere with policy because R’s and a lot of dems will oppose him all the way.
And yes, we thwarted Amnesty once, but with the power McCain would have as POTUS and being the liberal and republican guru of the moment if elected, he could succeed!
Our only hope is to work mega hard at getting Conservatives into Congress. And as for me, a write-in candidate for POTUS.
Also, tomorrow I’m changing my Party registration from R to I. I hope many more will join me in that. And I’ll send a message to all the reps and the GOP to let them know why.