Officer down: Philly policeman executed by bank robbers in Muslim garb
Awful news from my birthplace: Philadelphia Police Sgt. Stephen Liczbinski, married father of three who would have turned 40 this weekend, was gunned down by bank robbers armed with assault weapons and dressed head-to-toe in Muslim women’s clothing this weekend.
Cop-hating Bill Ayers sends his condolences–to the two of three robbers who got killed and caught.
There’s one still loose. Maybe Ayers’ university, the U. of Illinois, will give him a tenured teaching position.
Via the Philadelphia Daily News:
The mastermind of the Port Richmond bank robbery was Howard Cain, who was fatally shot by police Saturday while fleeing in a minivan minutes after he fired a once-banned high-powered Chinese assault rifle, killing Sgt. Stephen Liczbinski, police say.
As investigators pieced together how a trio of killers met and plotted the deadly bank robbery, scores of police and FBI agents searched from Philadelphia to Lancaster County for the last suspect, Eric DeShawn Floyd, 34, an escapee from a drug-treatment facility called Adappt, in Reading.
Police Commissioner Charles Ramsey described Floyd as “armed and dangerous” and urged him to turn himself in. Yesterday, Lavon Warner, 38, a onetime sparring partner of former heavyweight champion Evander Holyfield, was held without bail on murder, robbery and related charges after his arrest Saturday. Cain dreamed up the bank robbery, but his prison buddie, Floyd, had the expertise, police said…
…Cain apparently realized he couldn’t hold up a bank where he was known, so he and Floyd donned Muslim women’s clothes - a hijab covering their heads; long dresses, called an abaya; and face veils, called nik-ab - to prevent detection, the source said.
Warner, of Westminster Street near 54th, wore a dreadlock wig and dust mask, the source added. Then, the trio marched into the bank, and Sgt. Liczbinski responded to the bank robbery alarm at 11:26 a.m.
The trio hopped in a blue Jeep Liberty. Hearing flash information about the Jeep, Liczbinski chased the vehicle, which stopped twice before hitting a pole. Cain jumped out and fired the high-powered SKS assault rifle five times at the officer, hitting his left trunk and leaving him in a pool of blood, at Schiller and Almond streets, police said.
Liczbinski’s car had one bullet hole on the driver’s side door.
The Jeep took off. Cain and Warner then switched vehicles and changed clothes, hopping in a Chrysler Town and Country minivan, according to police. Cain was alone, however, when stopped by police on Louden Street near D, where he was killed by police.
At a news conference yesterday, Deputy Police Commissioner William Blackburn said that outside the minivan, police found the 7.62 mm SKS assault rifle, loaded with 25 rounds, which had been used in Liczbinski’s slaying. Five rounds found at the murder scene at Schiller and Almond streetswere consistent with the SKS rifle.
Inside the minivan was a .44-caliber revolver, fully loaded with five live rounds, two sets of Muslim clothing, $38,000 and two GPS tracking systems.
Under a trash can nearby in a common driveway, police recovered a fully loaded .22-caliber revolver and additional clothing linked to the robbery.
The officer’s last words: “Tell my wife I’ll miss her.”
An older man nearby had taken the fallen officer’s radio and was saying, “A police officer is down. He’s shot multiple times. Get an ambulance,” Braun said.
Braun yelled at another neighbor for towels to try to stop the gushing blood. She grabbed four kitchen towels and gave them to those trying to stop the bleeding, she said.
A neighbor tying to help Liczbinski looked up at Braun and said, “His arm is just dangling off.”
Petaccio said he had stayed with Liczbinski talking to him as he tried to save his life. He said Liczbinski had looked at him and said, “I want you to tell my wife I’ll miss her.”
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LGF notes that this isn’t the first time burqas have been used as robbery disguises.
Oh, and don’t worry: The cult of Mumia will be ready to welcome Liczbinski’s killers with open arms.
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Liczbinski’s Officer Down Memorial Page is here.
Donations can be sent to: Stephen Liczbinski Family Memorial Trust Fund, 901 Arch St., Philadelphia, PA 19107.
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Jeeeeez….I knew this type of cover would be utilized.
jesus.
My condolences, but:
What a reprehensible thing to write. It’s untrue, irresponsible, hostile, and downright mean.
And it wasn’t like there was room to make a jab here that would actually, you know, make sense. What about taking the facts of this horrible case and then mentioning the hordes of deluded Mumia supporters? That would mean a hard-hitting article grounded in context.
But context was thrown out the window to make a cheap attack. Even if you hate Ayers (it’s hard not to), equating his terrible past with these terrible events is the worst kind of demagoguery.
And turning this into a cheap political point does not serve the memory of Stephen Liczbinski. It does the opposite.
My dad was a Philly cop. My brother is a Philly cop. It’s scary worrying about people you love and care about dealing with the worst of the worst, and knowing if things break the wrong way, you might not see them again.
My condolences to Ofc. Liczbinski’s family.
Glad to see one of the murders won’t ever harm anyone ever again. And considering the speed with which PA utilizes capital punishment on convicted cop killers (i.e. Mumia Abu Jamal), I sincerely hope the last fugitive isn’t taken alive.
As for Ayers, I have a few choice words for him that can’t see print in a polite forum.
Rusty’s self-righteous indignation notwithstanding…
Ayers desrves the respect of nobody..
http://marathonpundit.blogspot.com/2008/05/bill-ayers-stepping-on-us-flag-in-2001.html
I’m with Rusty.
Also, despite the headline the robbers were not Muslim. The fact that they chose to disguise themselves as Muslims does not reflect poorly on Islam. The robbers were Christians.
Also, they had an assault rifle of a kind that was banned until recently — thanks to the NRA.
alos, Rusty
saidjudged:But context was thrown out the window to make a cheap attack.
You should ask Ayers about “cheap attacks” …he’s the expert… maybe even teaches a course on it…
lgm
saidtrolled:The robbers were Christians.
Christians, CHRISTIANS! no no no… go back to bed …
Rusty,you made your case, but I am willing to bet the house that a guy like Ayers gets off on that sort of thing.
At least there is one low life who won’t be able to do this again. Plus it saves a lot of expense for trials and imprisonment.
May the officer’s family find peace in the support they receive from the other officers and the community. The City of Phialdelphia owes this man a great debt.
I’m not saying he deserves respect. I am saying that people should have enough respect for Mr. Liczbinski to not turn his horrible death into a point about the 2008 election.
they do a good enough job of that on their own.
Rest in Peace, my brother. My prayers are with your family. Michelle is there going to be a PayPal account set up too?
Wow, there’s a shocker.
So yo’re outraged about this tragedy being used as a political point when it the jab is at Ayers and Obama, but it’sperfectly acceptable to make a jab about the NRA and the assault weapons ban?
And in terms of the assualt weapons ban, they had several other handguns too, so it’s not as if they wouldn’t have robbed the bank had they not had an assault rifle. Furthermore, I’m guessing they didn’t get the guns legally, so the point is moot anyway.
1. Where does it say the robbers were Christian?
2. “Muslim garb” doesn’t mean Muslim. It brings up an image of clothing that obscures physical characteristics.
Where did the article say they were Christians? True Christians would not have performed this act. What church did they attend? Rev. Wrights(sarc)? It doesn’t say and we don’t know? So check your facts before posting. Just because you disagree with the Ayers comment don’t make your own.
How? Ayers attempted to kill cops and military personnel, not to mention any innocent by-standers who would have been around them had his bombs done their intended work. He has nothing but contempt for the police, the military, or anyone else who puts themselves on the line for this country, so it’s not a cheap shot. The man is evil.
You agree with Rusty about misplaced comments, and immediately make one of your own. It was banned until recently thanks to Congress, if you want to be accurate. The NRA is not the legislative arm of our government, last time I checked.
And of course, it doesn’t say they were. What’s your point?
And you know this how, exactly? I read both the stuff here and the article, and I didn’t see that affiliation mentioned anywhere.
So…presume or prejudice much, lgm?
Calling the garb “Muslim garb” (which is what Michelle did) is accurate…do you know of another religious group that wears the hijab or burqua? Not me. And these thugs aren’t the first (nor will they be the last) to use the burqua to their criminal advantage. It provides complete coverage - it’d be virtually impossible to tell a suspect’s race or identity if they’re covered in something like that.
This is a tragedy. Sgt. Liczbinski’s family has my prayers and sympathies. And may Sgt. Liczbinski rest in peace and the loving embrace of Christ our Lord.
So, you think they casually walked into a gun store, went through a background check and purchased this rifle?
Please…they either stole it, or got it on the black market.
Banned or not, these cheap rifles are very easy to get, if you know where to get them. On the streets.
Give me a break.
As far as I know Bomb Bans never stopped Ayers. Or “gun free zones” never stopped a desperate killer from slaughtering innocent un-armed people.
lgm, you are a complete fool of the first order. How on earth were you able to devine that from anything reported?
And Rusty, you’re awfully quiet about that record-setting conclusion that lgm jumped to.
Stupidity, absolutely stunning stupidity.
Just an isolated incident.
Nothing to see here.
Move along, move along…
lgm said:
First:
My respects to officer Sgt. Stephen Liczbinski, you are the thin blue line that keeps the order.
Second: Lgm- You’re a traitor to your own kind. Keep talking, the more you talk the more we’ll make sure your kind is sequestered and marginalized.
I just read the AP story in our local paper, and I read through it twice - no mention of the burkas or “muslim garb”. Also no mention of the prayer bumps on the suspects’ foreheads.
See photos here:
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/05/philly-muslims-outraged-that-robbers.html
for obvious signs of “prayer” bumps on the foreheads of these fools.
Sorry, Michellle… I’m 100 percent with Rusty on this one.
Using a tragedy like this to make a political jab with false information is inappropriate and disrespectful.
This kind of thing just doesn’t help. You might want to edit that bit out before you have a lawsuit on your hands, just ’sayin.
Nice try man, but no one here is buying it. Michelle’s post never even implied that the robbers were Muslim, just that they were in Muslim garb. By your reading, I guess she also said that there were women, since it was women’s clothing they wore. And I don’t know how you decided they were Christians…
False information?
On May 5th, 2008 at 10:16 am, Hexadecimal said:
Yes, he is… and yes, he does.
But he didn’t do what Michelle suggests.
For the record - Assault Rifles have been banned since the 1930’s - and they are still banned. Assault Rifles can fire fully automatic.
Clinton’s failed “Assault Weapons ban” only banned guns based on appearence, not function.
LGM siad…”Also, they had an assault rifle of a kind that was banned until recently — thanks to the NRA.”
Get bent you troll…the NRA didn’t put that gun in any criminals hands. Criminals don’t care if a gun is banned or not.
#27.
get real.
On May 5th, 2008 at 10:41 am, RaisedRight said:
I presume she’s referring to the part of Michelle’s post regarding Ayers’ “condolences”.
I love how sensational the article makes the weapon seem. The SKS is one of the weakest 7.62 rounds that exists. It’s a 30 caliber bullet, sure, but it has a stumpy little cartridge without much powder. It is hardly what I’d call “high powered.” I have 3 rifles in my closet right now that have more punch.
It’s too bad the officer was not wearing his vest. The 7.62×39mm (SKS)cartridge WILL NOT penetrate NIJ Level III or IV body armor. The 7.62×39mm cartridge propels its bullet at a velocity of approximately 2400 feet per second. Level III armor stops 5.56×45mm (.223 Remington) M-16 bullets (3100 fps) as well as 7.62×51mm (.308 Winchester) M-14 bullets (2800 fps). Level IV armor protects against steel-core armor-piercing M-1 Garand (30.06 Springfield) bullets (2900 fps).
Lawsuit? that is just too funny except for the seriousness of this crime and if it wasn’t for the fact that there is nothing to sue over…unless you’re the Communist Civil Liberties Union…. oooh I was insulting… sue me baby sue me!
As tough as this is, lgm and rusty amount others, have a point. LGM makes his point with his usual lack of understanding, but he’s at least close, so A for effort.
Dont make this about Ayers. He isnt worth the print. This isnt about Christians either. This is about 3
menlowlifes who are nothing but thieves, who shot a man who was doing his duty and protecting the public. Nothing more.Lets focus more energy on hunting down and dealing with the killer that is still at large, and by offering what we can to the family the officer left behind.
On a related note, if you know someone who wears a uniform, be it military or law enforcement, take a moment to thank them for their service. LGM, even you would do well to take a moment to do this…the freedom you have to say what you do is paid for(in blood, service, and sacrifice), and secured, by people who choose to defend -our- rights. If you have the courage to do such a thing, I challenge you to do so.
Right. Well, obviously Michelle was speaking strictly literally when she wrote that.
Rusty didn’t like the joke, but at least it appears he understood that is isn’t “false information.”
Irish Rose - You have every right to disagree with anything MM writes, but try to watch your wording. This is clearly not a case of “false information,” and though I’m not a lwayer, I doubt there’s even a possibility of a lawsuit here. (Besides, we all know how Ayers loves the legal system.)
The case above was from Orlando in 2003. I think this judge had it right about the Hijab. Although this was about a drivers license photo and religous freedoms….it is relevant to what this story is about.
During a business trip to Orlando in 2005, I had to go to a local bank to make a deposit. I had my sunglasses and a ball cap on. They wouldn’t open the door for me until I took both the glasses and the hat off first….then they buzzed me in. I wonder if a hijab-wearing individual would get the same treatment I did or would the bank simply cave to islamic sensitivities. If banks decide the Hijab is not allowed…because of this robbery, I’m sure the ACLU would step all over themselves to get involved on behalf of all the hijab-wearing-sharia-folks. I see a fight coming on the horizon over this one…..sometime….somewhere.
Well we know Wright’s Trinity Church isn’t in Philadelphia, so I guess we can RULE OUT CHRISTIANS.
Actually, AJ, you’re the one who needs to get real.
This is what Michelle said:
As much as I dislike Ayers he simply didn’t do what Michelle suggests. It’s a lie, and not the truth.
What part of that don’t you understand?
What kind of “assault weapons” were those? And how is the type of weapon used to kill this officer relevant?
Rest in peace, Officer Stephen Liczbinski.
This is not the time to be talking about clothing or guns.
Let’s honor the brave man who died performing his duty.
It’s not a lie and she never portrayed it as the truth. It’s a joke. A sarcastic comment that most can see was not intended to say there was an actual statement released by Ayers.
The SKS was not covered under the so called assault weapons ban that was enacted during the Clinton administration that had recently expired. The SKS has a 10 round attached magazine. It does not use a 30 round detachable magazine as does the AK-47 (although a few were modified unsuccessfully buy Norinco). Its 7.62 round can hardly be considered high powered and is ballistically very similar to a 30-30 round fired by the lever action Winchester (cowboy rifle).
RaisedRight - let’s be honest about this. Irish Rose just wanted to get in a cheap shot at our gracious hostess Michelle Malkin.
Irish Rose-
Michelle’s comment was indeed one of sarcasm. Sorry you missed the intent.
The Ayers comment is absolutely pure low class. It’s juvenile. It makes me want to avoid the site.
That said, the Daily News is just as bad with their “a once-banned high-powered Chinese assault rifle” nonsense. “Curse those evil Republikkkans for causing this cop’s death!” I mean, please. Sickening partisan BS.
What IS worth mention is the Muslim garb. It isn’t because they are Muslim, but because political correctness doesn’t allow us to shame or deal with unsafe, abnormal behavior the way we should.
On May 5th, 2008 at 10:54 am, RaisedRight said:
Yes, it IS false information… it would also fall under the legal definition of “libelous”.
Don’t make the mistake of thinking that this discussion isn’t being watched.
I’m not trying to attack Michelle, I’m trying to be helpful.
My deepest condolences to the family of this fallen officer. May justice be both full, and swift.
OK now, folks. It seems some of us, including myself, are getting bitter. Let’s grab our guns and head off to church. I don’t see how any of this conversation helps Michelle Obama’s kids…
Someone may correct me as I may be wrong, but the “Ban” was an importation ban, not a ban on the sale or possession of “assault rifles.” As I recall, all manner of rifles that were already in circulation were still available. Unless my eyes didn’t really see SKS, AK-47, AR-15, etc. rifles in gun stores throughout the 90’s and after 2000.
The Ayers comment: I don’t see it so much as sarcasm rather than hyperbole.
We know about Ayers track-record…and we know there are many out there who defend the actions of criminals, no matter what, because in their opinion the police are *always* wrong and evil. Look at the Mumia crowd. Or those who defended “Tookie” Williams.
Somewhere, whenever thugs go on a murderous rampage (especially against police), there is a small radical collective of individuals who applaud, praise, and condone the murders. They think it’s an affront to justice if criminals are killed while committing acts of violence.
As for any police injured or killed, their attitude seems to be, “They deserved it.”
So that’s what that comment was about.
Same thing here. Our bank has a “no sunglasses, no caps, no hoods” policy. I can’t help but see this tactic used in the future because it’s protected by political correctness.
You’re right Surveyor. My credit union will shut you out if your wearing sunglasses or a MOTORCYCLE HELMET! What do people think a burqa looks like?
Well folks, don’t let a little concept like “truth” impede your determined rush towards ignorance.
Carry on.
From the wiki on “Federal Assault Weapons Ban”:
According to this, as long as they were made before the ban, it was alright. To clarify, further down the article:
Irish Rose - I want to thank you. I was unfamiliar with your work and at the beginning of this thread I had the mistaken impression you might be someone with whom I could discuss facts. I now see that you are dismissive and insulting. So I want to thank you for saving me the waste of time and trouble of trying to point out the obvious error in your postings.
Rusty and LGM are pathetic liberal trash.
Is anyone here surprised at the 2 losers knee jerking to defend a terrorist. In any story about societies filth, these 2 internet clowns will immediately look to criticize someone other than the criminal.
If the cop killer stays on the run for 30 years, he will emerge a liberal hero.
And Rusty and lgm will root for the criminal every time.
Ayers is a public figure so Michelle’s comment would not be considered libelous. The SCOTUS allows wide 1st Amendment latitude on the commentary of public figures.
Um, I didn’t see Rusty defending the criminals at all.
Neither did lgm, to a certain extent…he just (rudely, ignorantly) assumed they were Christian.
Another lib heard from.
Um.
I’m going to presume you’re referring to me, and I’mg going to tell you once and only once: knock it off.
I am not going down that path again and I am not going to let people accuse me of being a liberal just because I happen to disagree with your comments. I am not a liberal. So knock it off and grow up.
I do not agree with lgm or Rusty on many, many issues.
But Rusty focused on the Ayer’s comment and lgm displayed his lack of reading comprehension by assuming Michelle called the robbers “Muslims” when she was CLEARLY referring to their clothing and saying the robbers were Christian (with no proof).
I’ve said elsewhere that I enjoy debating with Rusty and respect him. So if someone falsely accuses him (or anyone else) of saying something he didn’t say, I’m going to defend him. He never defended the actions of the murderers.
And while my feelings toward lgm are not quite the same, he didn’t, either.
That’s not being a liberal; that’s being just.
Others have added more information. I just thought this comment by Dreid bears emphasizing for the benefit of people like lgm and Irish Rose.
And, lgm, “Non-Muslim” does not equal “Christian.” These bank robbers were definitely not Christian, whatever they were.
“Cop-hating Bill Ayers sends his condolences–to the two of three robbers who got killed and caught.”
He actually said that? Sounds like Ayers is a dead man walking.
500 Pound Gorilla Alert! - No pun intended!
How can we protect a free society from muslims and criminal blacks? The first step is to….
1. Admit you have a problem. (muslims and criminal blacks.)
Doesn’t that feel better already?
Muslim fervor and hatred are incompatible with a free society. Duh! Just who’s telling us that it’s OUR prejudice that is causing problems with the “Muslim Community?” Not THEIR savagery and backwardness!
Black crime has escalated to the #1 public safety issue we face today. Decent Americans are at more risk of being robbed, raped or beaten by violent, sociopathic black gangsters than they are of being victims of terrorism, and the other, more manufactured “risks.” Look at the degree of horrors put upon Channon Christain and Chris Newsome in Knoxville! Yet we hear nothing of this “carjacking” in the MSM.
But call a burgler IN YOUR HOUSE a “nigger,” and you’ll get lynched! With a NOOSE!
End the madness. It’s OK to call enemies of civility, enemies of civility.
Quick, go check out the headshot of the killed killer. http://www.philly.com/
Looks like a very devout follower of the ROP to me.
see-ya
EQ,
dont worry. some of us are actually ready what you put here, and i’ve got your back. i found myself agreeing with the 2 of them earlier, even though really, its hard to do so at times.
I won’t disagree with someone who is being honest and deals with facts. those 2 just happen to have a valid point, and I agreed with them. EQ did too. Rose did. So have others. Political affiliation doesnt change fact.
So dont bash on EQ for this. She doesn’t deserve the venom, unless you want to throw it around to a few more people as well.
dont worry. some of us are actually
readyreading what you put here…sorry, was in a hurry. work called LOL
lgm, you’re just an ugly little troll. Note that you and Rusty are always one of the first to comment at MM - which means you just hang here all day every day waiting for a new post that you can troll on. GET A LIFE.
lgm, you contradict yourself in the same post with the comments about the wrongness of turning a tragedy into some political statement, then immediate start doing exactly that by flapping your gums about the NRA.
In the very same post, you start defending islam (never mind that NO ONE actually said the crims were muslim anyway, just that they wore hijabs), and then immediately you state “The robbers were Christians”, when there is evidence of their religious affiliations whatsoever, if they even have any.
You are SCUM. Sniveling, pathetic, self-important, nasty, prejudiced, ugly little troll. Go back under that rock you crawled out from, and stay there.
englishqueen.
Liberal.
should say “..when there is NO evidence..”
nyc123me,
Tell us what you really think!!
englishqueen a liberal?! Ha! She gave that bad habit up a long time ago.
Don’t worry EQ, I’m with abstractmind here. Most of us know where you stand. I can say, as another young conservative woman, I am almost always in full support of your comments. (I had to qualify that statement simply because I am not a Catholic…)
First and foremost our condolences and prayers to the family of Officer Stephen Liczbinski cut down in the line of duty. I am overwhelmed that average citizens did what they could to aid and comfort the dying officer. I applaud the swift justice dealt to two of the three robbers and hope it finds the third accomplish to this cold blooded murder. The suicide by cop of these criminal has saved the taxpayers of Pennsylvania millions of dollars in legal and incarceration costs.
Regardless of the religious leanings of the criminals I know at least of them are roasting in hell right now.
Second Ayers comments show what a low life piece of excrement he really is. Our resident trolls would wet themselves if they had any idea of the firepower the average citizen of Idaho owns. Just about everyone I know poses what the gun grabbers would consider an assault weapon able to expend over 10 rounds per magazine in 7.62 mm or 5.56 mm. The 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with hunting and is all about the God given right of self preservation and if necessary to deal with a tyrannical federal government.
On May 5th, 2008 at 11:15 am, Irish Rose said:
I admit when I first read it, I took it for fact, but only because I’m humor-impaired before I’ve achieved caffeination.
For you, that seems to be a problem 24/7. 
The statement that has you all riled up was not presented as fact. The biggest clue is that there’s no link to an article or press release containing Ayers’ perported condolences. It was instead a caustic jab at a dirtbag who himself tried to kill cops, and is unrepentant.
It’s all well and good to disagree with the wording, or to think the joke was in poor taste, but for the love of Pete, could you at least recognize it was an attempt at humor that went by the boards for you.
I’m late to the thread but I want to reinforce what was said about the AWB. That would be assault weapons ban, lgm, that was signed into law by Bill Clinton. Also signed by Bill Clinton was the allowance of the Norinco SKS weapons into the United States. Norinco is a Chinese company if you don’t know. There is still a problem with Chinagate going on and we will see more as long as the clintons continue to barge into the public square.
englishqueen01, I don’t support Rusty or lgm but you have every right to defend them if you read their postings and see that they are being accused of a falsity. lgm this does not mean that I am defending you in any way. Satire and sarcasm are allowed the last time that I checked.
Michelle’s headline says “Muslim garb” which is absolutely correct, and has nothing to do with the beliefs of the assailants.
Really, reading is fundamental.
So the guns were the responsibility of the conservatives, but criminals roaming the street are the province of liberals. They vote for liberals because liberals are soft on crime (and hard on law abiding citizens), are loathe to enforce the laws on the books, allow early paroles, and refuse to build more jails.
They may have been Christian, but I bet they were liberals, LOL!
I stand corrected about the assault rifle ban.
The murderer/robbers must have been Christian because they live in a country where most people are Christian. It is very unlikely that they are Muslim or Jewish or something else.
There is no indication Ayers ever tried to kill anyone. He’s smart enough that he would have succeeded. He’s never been charged with a crime.
Ayers has nothing to do with the story. The association is in MM’s head. Why not say “McCain is happy”?
lgm,
Ayers was charged with a crime but it was dropped due to a ruling by the court that the wiretap that obtained the evidence was fruit from the forbiden tree. Where have you been?
In this case the murder aided their escape, but I’ve noticed there seems to be a stupid tendency of criminal types to murder people even though it is not necessary to the crime. It greatly increases their crime but usually gets them no extra benefit. Could this be because it does little to increase their punishment. Maybe 5- 10 extra years at most. The death penalty needs to be more feared by these animals. They just don’t believe it will cost them much and it gets them extra cred in their circles. In cases of unequivocal evidence the death penalty should be carried out quickly and consistently. That would save the lives of many brave men like this officer.
lgm - aren’t you always attacking the readers here for jumping to conclusions? You would never let us get away with reasoning in the manner you just did. You argument just doesn’t work… for example: The vast majority of people where I live are very liberal… that clearly doesn’t make me one too.
Besides, if we want to look at real evidence, I would say that based on the photos of the criminals, there is a good chance that they are Muslim. I don’t know that for sure and I don’t want to make that judgment on looks alone, but I think I’ve got more evidence backing my claim (the beards and the forehead bruises) than you do yours.
lgm,
what if they are wiccan? or agnostic? or atheist? or something else? Their religion has nothing to do with it. let that go.
But, if i use your logic (a loose term, for this thread anyway):
They must have been poor…why rob a bank otherwise? Possibly welfare recipients? Means we should pity them because they dont have what others do.
They must have been black (i havent seen the pictures of them, btw), because there is a higher crime rate among blacks in certain parts of the country. And we cant blame minorities for their lot in life can we?
They must have been between the ages of 18-24, because thats the age where males attempt these types of crimes right?
Stereotyping doesnt really help anyway, see? Do you see the absurdity in what i put there? That’s what you sound like. Use the facts. It works alot better.
But lets assume for a moment they ARE Christians. i’m not one anymore…but they would seem to be poor ones, at best. I dont remember “Thou shalt commit bank robbery” in the Bible anywhere. I DO, however, remember “Thou shalt not kill” being there.
Even sitting in church every sunday morning, knowing every hymn by heart, or praying doesnt change the fact these killers are scum, they are evil and deserve whatever hell awaits them.
just saying
lgm - “The murderer/robbers must have been Christian”.
No.
There you go folks. All problems can be blamed on Christians because most of America is Christian.
Guess who hijacked planes and slammed them into the buildings on 9/11? It could not have been Muslims.
Southernbot got banned for less lgm. I am gunna pray for you.
So … lgm … since YOU live in a country where most(?) people are Christian, does that make you a Christian as well? I park my car in the garage and I spend a lot of time working out there. Does that make me a car?
Proof, please. Funny how profiling cannot be applied when it comes to terrorism but it’s a-okay to assume these guys are Christian because they come from a primarily Christian nation.
Please, lgm, enlighten us. What church did these guys go to? When was the last time they attended services?
We’re often told that just because someone belongs to a certain group and does something bad, it’s not reflective of the group as a whole. At least, that’s what happens with terrorism and Islam. Why the double standard?
Your childish clinging to that assertion really does you no favors.
And, once again, you miss the point - Michelle was referring to the clothing, which is specifically attributed to a certain religious group. It’s not unimportant that many have expressed concerns over the burqua in public, and this case brings that concern back to light.
“The murderer/robbers must have been Christian because they live in a country where most people are Christian.”
Again, crawl back under your rock, imbecile.
More slander and libel from lgm.
There’s a shocker. /sarc
And, yet, lgm gets away with it?!?
There was another “men dressed as Muslim women” robbery earlier last week in Philly before this one, and one of the robbers was shot in the arm in that one.
I’m not sure if they’re related.
Soap - let’s face it - we’re likely the only “friends” lgm has.
cpodug,
YOU be his friend for us, ok?
and no soap, he doesnt as long as people stand up to the bass-ackwards ideology that people like that spew forth.
abstract, deliberately put friends in quotes. If he considers us friends, let me assure you, it’s strictly one-way. As far as I’m concerned, the man isn’t worth the effort it takes to reply to his lunacy.
I couldn’t possibly be his friend. I love Christ! He has to hate me!
Defending Michelle’s comment, “Cop-hating Bill Ayers sends his condolences–to the two of three robbers who got killed and caught,” as sarcasm is a non-starter. People can’t be counted on to know that she was being sarcastic (if she was) and there is nothing to prevent people from reading and repeating an unfounded charge. It doesn’t matter if Ayers said “KILL THE PIGS!!!” every day of his life in the PAST, if he didn’t specifically send condolence to THESE killers, then her remark is well out-of-bounds.
If Michelle had said, “I wonder if the cop-hating Bill Ayers will send his condolences to the two of three robbers who got killed and caught,” then it would be clear as to her intention, but she didn’t. This is a gaffe of Ann Coulteresque proportions like Ann’s “enjoying their husbands’ deaths” which torpedoed the publicity of “Godless”. If she had said “enjoying the benefits of their husbands’ deaths,” it would’ve still been harsh, but not as actionable as what came out of her mouth.
If Ayers hasn’t actually sent condolences to the cop killers, then Michelle must correct her post. Unlike the fascist liberals, conservatives are held to an extremely higher standard of honesty and accuracy and any little misstep will be used to fuel further marginalization of conservatives. We shouldn’t get sloppy just because the Left lies through their teeth 24/7.
lgm, you just couldn’t leave well enough alone, could you? You just had to go step in it again.
I mean, really, are you just completely devoid of any logic at all? If you had any, even a drop, you would realize just how silly your conclusions are.
How about this: We live in a country where most people don’t rob banks and kill police officers. Therefore, those suspects really didn’t rob banks and kill a police officer.
How absurd.
- MrFreeman07
Yes, as a matter of fact, it does. You’re a car. .. . evidently a Christian car (since you’re in America). Now, the question is, do you get better or worse than Obama’s suggested minimum miles per gallon of gas?
cpo, i should have used quotes…i get typing so fast here at work, sometimes i miss the nuances of such things, my apologies
And soap, i’m not religious anymore, but i’m good with ya
Back to topic, since I can’t get to half the stuff I can at home here at the salt mines, does anyone have an update about the other guy still on the loose?
Maybe they should start looking for the one POS here:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=5C93B778-10A4-4A15-B041-5369C9180CEB
On May 5th, 2008 at 1:16 pm, abstractmind said:
i’m not religious either! Hate religion actually!
On-my-soap-box said:
I didn’t say that. But I am tired of every crime committed by a Muslim being held against the religion of Islam. There are criminals in every culture.
soap,
w00t!
I know we’ve had other agnostic/atheists here, but at least i tend to make some sense LOL. Just because i’m not a christian doesnt mean i dont have a brain, or principles to guide me.
We could have a Church of MM? *grin* makes me wonder who’d show up at the services!
First, this is a terrible thing & condolences to the family.
Second, “bank robbers armed with assault weapons and dressed head-to-toe in Muslim women’s clothing…”
Oh, my. Cross-dressing, Cop-killing, Outlaws… Oh, my.
lgm,
you DID say it. Now, buzz off.
Actually, you did say it. post number 6.
And I’m not blaming a bunch of idiots for dressing in Islamic garb. The killers themselves don’t appear to be Islamic.
I’m blaming the killers for being just that…killers. I dont care what religion they are. Their religion doesnt play into this to begin with anyway. They used a disguise. If i dress up in a nun outfit (which would be really odd methinks) and rob a bank, do we blame catholics even though i’m just wearing some cloth?
Of course not.
focus on the issue. These animals shot and killed an officer in the line of duty. While you DID say the above, I don’t recall you saying you were sorry it happened. You’ve gone right with the liberal agenda once again. If you did, and i missed it, i’ll stand corrected at that point.
I’m not sure if they are Muslim or not, from the article I would not have assumed so. But someone linked pictures in comment #26 and I must say that they do look like they could be because of their beards and forehead bruises. But again, I obviously don’t know for sure.
Its possible, since i havent seen the pictures (gotta love corporate firewalls), but…even if they are, they’re still killers, plain and simple
Let justice be swift and sure for the remaining killer at large.
Dirk Belig #96
The problem with your post is that it wasn’t a gaffe and Ann Coulter was right. Godless wasn’t torpedoed by the comment either - the liberal media wasn’t going to give it any positive publicity anyway.
Just how stupid do you have to be to be a troll? An SKS is NOT an assault rifle. It is a 7.62mm semi-automatic carbine. Go look it up in Wikipedia
Although deadly the 7.62×39 is a somewhat weak round compared to ordinary .308 (7.62×51) and the venerable 30-06 which are everyday hunting rounds. Everytime lgm posts here it seems it can top itself in really dumb comments.
Yeah - but he does hit all the libtards talking points
That’s for sure. A crime should be a crime regardless of the particulars of race and religion.
I’m not saying they killed because they were Muslims, BUT, if you were to follow in the perfect example set by their delusional psycopathic pedophole ‘prophet’, there really is nothing wrong with robbing and killing the Kuffar. So, when followers from every other religion I know of would be going against the teaching of their religion if they were to kill and rob, a Muslim is merely asserting his justly granted right over non-followers( I intentionally didn’t say non-believers, as Islam is a faithless ‘religion’ ). That ideology seems exceptionally dangerous to the rights of ALL people that are granted to us by God. Time may tell as to what their motivation was, but, I will guarantee they won’t legitimately claim that Christ gave them the right to do what they did. ( and don’t start up about the IRA or I’ll have to slap you down on that too)
Ok, can someone tell me exactly what an “assault weapon” is? I mean really, aren’t “weapons” made to specifically “assault” someone? It should never have been called the “Assault weapons ban” it is more properly called the “scary looking weapons ban.” Boomer has it correct, my hunting rifle has far more power than this “assault weapon.” I’m tired of gun fearing wussies blowing things out of proportion to what really is the case.
Michelle,
You do the 2nd amendment no favors by this post. I would request that you let an expert in weapons comment on the “assault weapon” comment from the liberal press just to set the record strait.
It WAS a gaffe because it allowed the Treason Media to totally ignore the book and saved them the time of trying to argue against its points (as if they could) by turning the discussion towards how mean and heartless Coulter and conservatives were. When Ann pointed out that no one was attacking her theses, it didn’t matter because everyone had decided that the Jersey Girls had been insulted. If she had said what I think she meant - they enjoyed “the benefits of” the deaths - then it wouldn’t have been so easy to castigate Coulter and ignore the book.
Regardless, Michelle needs to clarify or retract the comment about Ayers. It doesn’t matter if he’s an unrepentant flag-stomping terrorist whom it could be surmised may be happy that a “pig” got killed, unless he has actually sent condolences, then Michelle has no business posting such comments, even sarcastically. It will be so easy for the Left to say, “Malkin posted that Ayers sent condolences to the robbers and he didn’t. She’s a liar and no one should ever believe anything she says about anything again.” Why do them the favor of an example proving them right?
When you are allowed no leeway for error or inaccuracy by the Treason Media, you must make darn sure that you’ve got the goods for what you post. It’s not fair that they get to lie unchecked, but so what? Suck it up and walk the Truth like you talk it.
What makes an assault rifle such?
Courtesy of Wiki on “Assault Rifle”
The wiki for the SKS specifically contains the following at the top:
lgm, Christians are followers of Christ. Since Jesus didn’t rob banks, it seems pretty doubtful…
Did I miss that part somewhere or is lgm just omniscient?
These statements contradict each other and reality. This is an SKS. First, it is semi automatic, so it fires 1 shot for every pull of the trigger, but the wording above makes it sound otherwise. Second, It has a 10 round magazine fed by a stripper clip. I know of no way it could ever be made to hold 25 rounds. A 25 round magazine would be impractical if not detachable, and modifying an SKS to accept such a thing would seem pointless given that there are AK type weapons easily available that fill that role. Maybe someone with specific knowledge could say otherwise, but I’m skeptical of a 25 round SKS. Third, it is not high powered unless you compare it to a pistol. It fires the 7.62×39 Russian intermediate round, slightly more powerful than the 5.56×45 used in an M16 but in the same general league. It is at the very bottom end of the power scale with regards to long arms. Fourth, I do not believe the SKS was ever outlawed under the Clinton gun ban. That law by and large banned guns that looked mean, but the SKS looks more like a hunting rifle than a modern combat rifle. It lacks the high capacity detachable magazine and pistol grip typically associated with such things.
It’s pretty clear that the author of the article is hostile to firearms rights in general.
Oh, didn’t you know? lgm has the right to insult people in any manner he likes, pass judgment on whomever (whether based on facts or pulled out of thin air), use stereotypes, bash religions (although he only uses this one against Christianity), and engage in any