Paging John McCain: GOP House leader Boehner rips La Raza earmark

By Michelle Malkin  •  May 6, 2008 06:33 PM

House Republicans are spreading the word about the La Raza earmark in the pork-laden housing bill that I’ve been reporting on (see here and here).

Fresh from the desk of House GOP leader John Boehner:

Democrats are prepared to bring to the House floor legislation purportedly written to assist Americans impacted by the recent housing slump. But in recent days, it has become increasingly clear who this legislation is really out to serve: scam artists, speculators, and trial lawyers.

That’s right: the bill forces taxpayers to pay for a massive $300 billion bailout at the expense of innocent victims who truly need assistance and hard-working families who continue to pay their mortgage on time. And it includes language slipped-in by House Democrats at the last minute to fund a giant $35 million slush fund for trial lawyers seeking to capitalize on the housing downturn.

But the goodies for the friends of the Democratic Majority don’t stop there. House Democrats quietly tucked another giveaway into the long, complicated bill in order to benefit their political allies with virtually no prior public scrutiny or debate. Take a look at this political giveaway – “Assistance for the Raza Development Fund” – straight from the text of the bill:

(c) ASSISTANCE FOR RAZA DEVELOPMENT FUND.—

(1) USE.—The Secretary of Housing and Urban Development may make a grant to the Raza Development Fund for the purpose of providing technical and financial assistance to local non-profit organizations to undertake community development and affordable housing projects and programs serving low- and moderate-income households, particularly through organizations located in neighborhoods with substantial populations of income-disadvantaged households of Hispanic origin. Assistance provided by the Secretary under this subsection may be used by the Raza Development Fund…

(2) AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS.— There is authorized to be appropriated for grants under this subsection—

(A) $5,000,000 for fiscal year 2008; and
(B) $10,000,000 for each of fiscal years 2009 and 2010.

In short, House Democrats are expecting American taxpayers to shell out $25 million to the Raza Development Fund – an arm of the National Council of La Raza and Democratic political ally that has made its name by promoting pro-illegal immigration policies and opposing real border security.

American families are struggling with rising costs for everything from gasoline to food to mortgages. Times like these require Congress to work in a bipartisan way on behalf of the American people. But instead, this Democratic Majority has produced a bill that rewards scam artists, speculators, trial lawyers, and political allies like La Raza…all at the expense of taxpayers and homeowners who really need help. Sadly, it’s yet more example of what American taxpayers have come to expect from a broken Washington under the leadership of House Democrats.

Sadly, we haven’t heard a peep from House Republicans–or any prominent Republicans–about John McCain’s decision to legitimize and honor La Raza (”The Race”)with his presence at its annual open-borders convention in July.

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  1. #313353
    On May 6th, 2008 at 6:35 pm, John Ansell said:

    There is Hope for the GOP yet. Thanks Leader Boehener.

  2. #313358
    On May 6th, 2008 at 6:40 pm, Brian Paasch said:

    I wish I could say “unbelievable”. But I can’t.

  3. #313360
    On May 6th, 2008 at 6:41 pm, Christian Soldier said:

    We’ll be watching- Mr. Boehner and our own G O P !!!!!

    Perhaps you “all” at the RNC have had a little light turned on in your private world of Wash.DC.

  4. #313361
    On May 6th, 2008 at 6:41 pm, Rinoalert said:

    Fresh from the desk of House GOP leader John Boehner

    The “desk” is as loud as Republicans get in their protestations. Nonetheless, at least they noticed.

  5. #313364
    On May 6th, 2008 at 6:42 pm, libocrat said:

    I thought it was John McCain who was trying to bring more illegal Mexigrants here?
    Or was that just another deflect by lib hacks?

    Yes it was.

    McCain is bad.
    Jesus Obama (that’s HEY ZEUS to you) and Rodham are worse. Libs want them here…for votes….

  6. #313376
    On May 6th, 2008 at 6:51 pm, undrseige247 said:

    What the FCK!? Massive pork waste for illegal leaches. FU Washington!

  7. #313382
    On May 6th, 2008 at 6:55 pm, WestCoastCoconut said:

    Undeseige. I quote John McClane ” Welcome to the Party Pal!” LOL

  8. #313385
    On May 6th, 2008 at 6:57 pm, normsrevenge said:

    I’d hazard a guess Boehner won’t be getting invited on the GoP convention podium when McCain accepts the nomination.

  9. #313386
    On May 6th, 2008 at 6:57 pm, tgusa said:

    So if I am understanding this not only will we get nothing outside the race but we are going to pay to get that nothing never the less. I can’t express how much I hate these people that’s right Hate with a capital H.

    I’m sorry people but the fact is if you put all three of the candidates together you end up with a Jimmy Carter… maybe.

  10. #313395
    On May 6th, 2008 at 7:07 pm, Freddy said:

    I wonder what controls are in place to see how any of the ‘legal services’ money is actually used. It will be very telling, with the ‘cover off’ of this bill, to see if it passes in this election year.

  11. #313396
    On May 6th, 2008 at 7:07 pm, William Amos said:

    Interestingly been getting lots of email from Boehner lately. But I am an eighbor of his

  12. #313398
    On May 6th, 2008 at 7:09 pm, John Ansell said:

    William Amos #11, he and the party needs money bad. They are getting thumped. I guess they can’t spend those fake pesos being sent in.

  13. #313399
    On May 6th, 2008 at 7:10 pm, Surveyor said:

    I had a dream that Jeff Sessions was running for president on a platform of illegal immigrant deportation….and was winning in a land slide….

    Then I woke up.

    What a great dream that was.

    Lets all be glad we do have folks (few I know) in congress that will actually help the American people and not pander to the illegal invaders.

  14. #313400
    On May 6th, 2008 at 7:11 pm, WestCoastCoconut said:

    Tgusa Someone said that this election you have two socialists and a democrat running for president. LOL I guess it does equal to Jimmy Carter. :)

  15. #313403
    On May 6th, 2008 at 7:13 pm, William Amos said:

    On May 6th, 2008 at 7:09 pm, John Ansell said:
    William Amos #11, he and the party needs money bad. They are getting thumped. I guess they can’t spend those fake pesos being sent in

    To be honest Boehner hasnt once asked me for money unlike McCain who I get repeated requests from.

    He has sent me alot of info though and have picked through it myself

  16. #313404
    On May 6th, 2008 at 7:14 pm, Boomer said:

    Sounds to me like it’s time to lock and load on my Congress critters to see what the two of them can do to stop this. It will be interesting to see how the Blue Dog Democrats will be pressured into supporting this travesty.

  17. #313409
    On May 6th, 2008 at 7:17 pm, brooklyn red said:

    Re; “…particularly through organizations located in neighborhoods with substantial populations of income-disadvantaged households of Hispanic origin“.

    Seems to me that the government giving preference to one ethnic group over others would be unconstitutional, no?

  18. #313411
    On May 6th, 2008 at 7:17 pm, thebronze said:

    Juan McCain is giant, steaming turd…

  19. #313412
    On May 6th, 2008 at 7:19 pm, skysoljr82 said:

    I never thought I would ever hear my self say this but, I am ashamed of my government. More angry than ashamed. Who holds these people accountable? The GOP has become a pathetic shell of its former self. I HAVE to believe that there is a true conservative somewhere in the House or Senate that has the plums to stand up and say “No more!” Whatever happened to Jim Sensenbrenner? He, at least, talked tough. What a dark comedy this has become. Ponderous indeed.

  20. #313413
    On May 6th, 2008 at 7:20 pm, tgusa said:

    Yep WestCoastCoconut you know you are in trouble when one Carter beats three of a kind. I think I will go dream about the good ole days when Jimmuh was president its better than the nightmare I am living right now.

    Lawyers with their greasy hands out I’m stunned, stunned I tell ya.

  21. #313414
    On May 6th, 2008 at 7:21 pm, alaskangrizzly said:

    On May 6th, 2008 at 7:17 pm, brooklyn red said:

    Re; “…particularly through organizations located in neighborhoods with substantial populations of income-disadvantaged households of Hispanic origin“.

    Seems to me that the government giving preference to one ethnic group over others would be unconstitutional, no?

    Since when did open-borders liberals and rinos care about the Constitution?

  22. #313415
    On May 6th, 2008 at 7:21 pm, flenser said:

    an arm of the National Council of La Raza and Democratic political ally

    In fairness to the Dems, La Raza seem to have the RNC’s unlisted number on speed-dial also. We’re on weak ground (thanks to Juan and Jorge) in hitting anyone for kow-towing to The Race.

  23. #313427
    On May 6th, 2008 at 7:31 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    On May 6th, 2008 at 7:07 pm, Freddy said:
    I wonder what controls are in place to see how any of the ‘legal services’ money is actually used. It will be very telling, with the ‘cover off’ of this bill, to see if it passes in this election year.

    Controls??? We don’t need no stinking controls!!!

    If it does pass, and why wouldn’t it in an election year, I would expect a “trickle down” effect with LaRaza leadership pocketing substantial sums for, ahem, administrative costs.

  24. #313428
    On May 6th, 2008 at 7:33 pm, rambler said:

    In my area, citizens aren’t the only ones struggling because of higher costs. I’ve seen alot fewer landscape trucks on the road, more white boys cutting grass, more apartments for rent signs in the santuary town next to mine and just fewer hispanics around and about. If the illegals are self-deporting there will be no need for la raza.

  25. #313429
    On May 6th, 2008 at 7:33 pm, brooklyn red said:

    alaskangrizzly #21, “Since when did open-borders liberals and rinos care about the Constitution?

    True that. But once law only the high court can strike it, no?

  26. #313430
    On May 6th, 2008 at 7:33 pm, zorro said:

    Hello?

    No answer? I think they are all suffering from a hang over after Cinco de Mayo.

  27. #313439
    On May 6th, 2008 at 7:45 pm, John Ansell said:

    Maybe we should change the “Suck It Up” Slogan?

    Just saying, looks like the poor people that can’t pay their mortgage are really sucking it up.

  28. #313452
    On May 6th, 2008 at 8:01 pm, letget said:

    I have seen advertisements on tv where you can learn a ’second laungage’ for 19.95 or whatever, they send you the cd. You might want to buy stock in this comapany. You can bet, it isn’t gonna be English, the first choice, guess? It is gosh awful horrible we don’t have more like Boehner.
    L

  29. #313454
    On May 6th, 2008 at 8:04 pm, Southpaw said:

    Guess I’ll be adding John Boehner to my list of potential write in candidates for President in November. After the events of the past couple of weeks, no way am I voting for one of the Three Stooges. Whoop, whoop, whoop.

  30. #313498
    On May 6th, 2008 at 9:13 pm, americangrunthog said:

    Roger that, Southpaw

    When our choice is between a turd, another turd, and yet another turd, none of come out of the voting booth smelling good.

    Boehner gets blue collar America. He supports trade schools and career schools instead of bending over for the Public University system.

    I’m with Southpaw, I’ll put him on the short list of write-ins.

  31. #313512
    On May 6th, 2008 at 9:26 pm, RealImmigrantChick said:

    McCain in his own words: “The lesson I learned from it is we’ve got to have
    comprehensive immigration reform.” –John McCain, 5/5/08

    I.E. Amnesty is back, no border security FIRST. If anyone was fooled, beware.

  32. #313515
    On May 6th, 2008 at 9:29 pm, Little Ma said:

    La Raza again! I’m so mad I can’t think straight! Guess I’d better have a cuppa, calm down, then email my Congressman. He’s a Republican – a real one.

  33. #313523
    On May 6th, 2008 at 9:35 pm, everett_mansfield said:

    Why on earth does anyone think Senile McCain can be trusted any more with SCOTUS appointments than he can with our border?

    Do not trust that man.

    Senile McCain, Senile McCain, Senile McCain,Senile McCain, Senile McCain, Senile McCain,Senile McCain, Senile McCain, Senile McCain.

  34. #313528
    On May 6th, 2008 at 9:41 pm, expres12 said:

    The Republican party is dead. Rove and Bush killed it. While we are about to get rid of Bush, the Rovian influence remains in the party. This is what is keeping conservatives from taking back the party, the remaining Rovian influence.

    I voted for Bush twice and yet I feel he is the worst President of my lifetime. He refused the will of the people and insisted on amnesty. He refuses to protect the sovereignty of this nation. He refuses to uphold the rule of law. He also destroyed the Republican party. A party that used to represent conservative values.

    While the Democrats are surely equally responsible for the morass our country resides in, the new Republicans can accept their fair share of the blame for the sorry current state of affairs as well. The McCain candidacy exemplifies exactly what is wrong with the Republican party today.

    Politics is totally devoid of talent. The people we look to to lead us, lack the intellect and courage necessary to deal with the very complex issues we face and they lack the integrity to handle the more mundane tasks that serve to benefit the American middle class. Either way, the average American gets screwed and gets to pay for the privilege.

    My recent shift of focus from the illegal immigration issue to economic issues has shown me that like immigration, those charged with rectifying our financial woe only have the interests of Wall Street and big business lobbyist at heart and to hell with Joe 6 pack.

    What I find interesting is that many of the players in the illegal immigration debacle, resurface in the handling of the financial meltdown. In both cases, the best interests of the middle class are trampled to oblivion. I can only hope that one day average Americans wake up to their fleecing by those they elect and take the necessary actions to take back our country.

    In my opinion, for Republicans these actions must include refusing to vote for or financially support a candidate who holds views and fosters policies contrary to that of the party’s core constituents, namely conservatives.

  35. #313536
    On May 6th, 2008 at 9:49 pm, Texas Tiger said:

    Sadly, we haven’t heard a peep from House Republicans–or any prominent Republicans–about John McCain’s decision to legitimize and honor La Raza (”The Race”)with his presence at its annual open-borders convention in July.

    Isn’t it the Democrats’ job to shoot at the Republicans?

  36. #313563
    On May 6th, 2008 at 10:18 pm, everett_mansfield said:

    McCain’s wife is unattractive.

    Do not vote for him.

  37. #313564
    On May 6th, 2008 at 10:19 pm, maisy said:

    Mickey Kaus of Slate is a anti immigration Democrat—his latest headline reads…………….

    kausfiles: A mostly political Weblog.
    McCain to GOP: Suckers!
    He’s back touting immigration semi-amnesty.
    By Mickey Kaus

  38. #313606
    On May 6th, 2008 at 11:02 pm, buckw said:

    John Boehner would be a good VP choice.

  39. #313609
    On May 6th, 2008 at 11:07 pm, JDinTX said:

    I will be e-mailong my two Texas senators. Not sure how they will vote on this. They may try to what is right or may just try to stay on McCain’s bandwagon. $25 million dollars is a sham to any organization but especially so on this one – La Raza. You can rest assured they will be helping all races. Ha!

  40. #313621
    On May 6th, 2008 at 11:37 pm, Cal City Conservative said:

    I reckon I’m pretty much out of luck with the Dims that represent me in the peoples republic of Kalifornia.

    Pretty safe bet to know where they stand. Shame the rest of Cali isn’t like the area where I am. Then again the Repubs aren’t much to crow about now days.

  41. #313643
    On May 7th, 2008 at 12:14 am, Send_Me said:

    They came, they are conquering, and without a shot fired. Pretty impressive from a military perspective, more specifically an information/psychological operations point of view. They’re invading our beloved country, convincing our politicians that it’s all for the best, and that any talk opposing such actions reflect “racist” prejudices, lacking in “openness.” The irony is that we’re losing a war in which the military is not allowed to participate. I’m now understanding how Leonidas must have felt.

  42. #313654
    On May 7th, 2008 at 12:47 am, Bhishma said:

    Americans can’t see a TRAITOR or a PATRIOT. How else do you explain:
    - Mobarak “Driver’s Licenses for illegals” Obama.
    - Juan McCain.
    - Hillary “No woman is illegal” Clinton.
    … and rejection of a patriotic statesman Tom Tancredo.
    Go figure!

  43. #313661
    On May 7th, 2008 at 1:05 am, love2rumba said:

    I just got an appeal by Newt Gingrich to support his “real change” program…funny thing was border security was not on his latest contract with America..just “let’s make English the official language”.

    Now i do not know about you all, but why the hell should illegal (and the legal immigrants who also support the Invasion of the US)give a damn about speaking English?

    Does Newt Gingrich believe once they’ve slipped enough of their people that all of a sudden they will respect OUR CULTURE???

    The issue of illegal immigration is the vote fraud and the creation of a new dependant class for our tax money through “entitlements” that will be endemic.

    Imagine… the libs can get any bill they want if they just put up enough “replacement voters” to water down our vote.

  44. #313673
    On May 7th, 2008 at 1:30 am, WarTip said:

    Welcome to the Responsible Party of America where you can have your hard-earned cash illegally redistributed to pay for Planned Parenthood and abortions that you do not want or need. Your next indoctrination session will include having your money illegally redistributed to pay for federal indoctrination of the children whether you have any kids or not. If you are really lucky, not only will you be able to completely pay for the life-long support those who are unwilling to work but you can also pay for the promotion of racist ideologies and be declared the racist for doing so. We also offer equal opportunities for responsible and hard working people to pay for the corruption of our politicians. As a member of the Responsible Party of America you will also have the opportunity to subsidize foreign governments with your hard-earned money while they are not even held accountable for how they spend it.

    Welcome to the Responsible Party of America where you can be raped, spat on, shat on and abused … all while being held personally responsible for the ills that have befallen everyone else who refused to take responsibility for their own actions.

    Ain’t Amereekay Grand? Constitution? We don’t need no stinking Constitution! Laws? Yeah! Those things we break to get “street cred” and earn rewards for breaking with impunity!

  45. #313679
    On May 7th, 2008 at 1:41 am, Alphonse said:

    We might as well have Mugabe for president for all the honesty in Washington.

  46. #313693
    On May 7th, 2008 at 2:57 am, Truesoldier said:

    I say if this bill passes then all the politicians that voted for it should be arrested for aiding and abetting fugitives form the law (i.e. illegal aliens).

    I wont hold my breath though.

  47. #313770
    On May 7th, 2008 at 7:23 am, graysonret said:

    Alphonse, if Mugabe was running as a democrat, he’d be leading in the race. Looks like the hispanic lobby has bought the democratic party. Besides, politicians have gotten away with violating the Constitution so much, no one cares anymore. It’s a meaningless piece of paper…oh, unless, it supports your political view, of course. I suppose it won’t be long before I call a company and instead of hearing “press one for English, two for Spanish”, it will be “press one for Spanish, two for English”.

  48. #313776
    On May 7th, 2008 at 7:32 am, orlandocajun said:

    Congress is still bribing voters by creating debt for our children and grandchildren. The despicable SOBs are without conscience. If that’s not bad enough, their creating debt to finance illegal aliens and special interest groups. All who support this rape of America should be shot.

    An ingorant electorate is their main tool that they use to destroy this country. God help us from the morons who keep voting for them.

  49. #313793
    On May 7th, 2008 at 7:52 am, secondsight said:

    Up is down.
    Left is right.
    Pigs can fly.
    Blue States are really Commie Red.
    Illegal deadbeats can get a NINJA loan make no payments for two years and still get to keep a half million dollar home (or more).

    Welcome to 2008, land of the free — spenders.

  50. #313816
    On May 7th, 2008 at 8:14 am, WarTip said:

    Can we all gather together and reinvent the “Free State” project on a more successful scale? MM for Governor, invite Newt in as Senate Leader perhaps? I do not see any real Conservative alternatives on a federal level. However, the time has definitely come to overthrow our (Constitutionally illegal) centralized federal form of government out with the garbage it has become and hand power back to the states and to the people.

    Do you think anyone would listen to an appeal to allow secession again?

  51. #313836
    On May 7th, 2008 at 8:34 am, cicerokid said:

    This is the taste of things to come: 20 million Illegals living 20 to a house equates to 19 million homes to be built at the taxpayers expense. Expect this as a result of amnesty.

  52. #313851
    On May 7th, 2008 at 8:55 am, mycroft69 said:

    Saying La Raza is pro-illegals is putting it mildly. In the 1990s, they advocated killing Border Patrol agents.

  53. #313859
    On May 7th, 2008 at 9:04 am, abstractmind said:

    Just something i’d point out…Newt doesn’t represent our best interests either. And if you think he does, you’re deluding yourself. He’s as much of a coward as McCain.
    Read it in his own words:
    http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/gingrich200604261230.asp

    He’s for English First. He’s for securing the border, building a fence, and punishing employers who hire illegals. And that’s a good start.

    But in the opening, he eludes to his thougths on those already here illegally:

    …an immigration bureaucracy that has been slow, cumbersome, rude, heartless, and incompetent in the discharge of its duties.

    As you read the rest of the article, it becomes a bit more clear that he’s for the same policies that Juan McShamnesty is supporting. A “path to citizenship”.

    He continues, after outlining his plan:

    Note that none of the above requires direct action against people who are here illegally. None of these steps will break up families or cause undue hardship.

    Second to last paragraph reveals the idea:

    If lawmakers can agree to the first four steps we have plenty of time to think through and work out the details of a humane, compassionate, and legitimate process of patriotic integration for people who were lured to America by an incompetent government and lawbreaking businesses and who do not deserve to bear the full brunt of popular anger at such dishonest and hypocritical policies.

    Patriotic Intergration. At least its an original way to say “path to citizenship”.

    That last paragraph embodies what I personally believe is wrong with the whole debate. People in power are unwilling to make tough choices, because they won’t be seen as voter friendly, and won’t be seen as compassionate people.

    I dont (for this issue, anyway…) want compassionate leadership. I want competent, just, “take charge” leadership. Leaders who uphold our laws. Leaders who will enforce the laws we have on the books and take care of our national security interests. And last I checked, we didn’t have big, government sponsored neon signs telling people to come here. They came here, for whatever reason, but they’ve done so in disregard of our laws and sovereinty. And for that very thing, THEY are the blame. I didn’t invite them here. Did you?

    According to Newt, its our governments fault (and essentially, ours, by extention), and by evil business owners looking to make easy money. And those business owners should also rightly be punished for their deeds. But, he also says that illegals don’t deserve our anger or our wrath for having broken our laws. They chose to come here willinging, in cases stealing Social Security numbers to gain employment (but they’re not criminals, right?), bringing with them their crime, their supplanting, reconquista culture, and their need to use our public services while sending the bulk of their earnings south of the border.

    If all this doesnt drive it home, Newt sums it up as such:

    If the American people see that their leaders are serious and determined to control the border then create an effective worker-visa program along with a comprehensive program of patriotic integration into American civilization they will be much more supportive of a program for helping those with deep connections to America find their legal place in American society.

    No Newt, I wont. I’ll be supportive when you punish those who have flaunted our laws, who seek to supplant their culture and who bring their crime with them here (and who are criminals by the fact they’ve broken the law coming here illegally to begin with), and when people like yourself begin to listen to the will of the people for a change, and decide to send all of these people back where they came from.

    Done.

  54. #313863
    On May 7th, 2008 at 9:06 am, thetoysurgeon said:

    One day the American people will rise up and have a revolution…heads will roll.

  55. #313886
    On May 7th, 2008 at 9:22 am, Weary Citizen said:

    Unbeleiveable. I always wondered hw this organization got all its money, ergo power. This subversive organanziation is undermining our sovereignty and immigration laws, and our elected officials are forcing us to pay for it. If that is not the height of stupidity, I don’t know what is. Reminds me of the old movies about Rome showing the corruption in Senate in the waning days of that once great republic. We are following the exact same path. Our leaders have forced us to buy a shovel, then convinced us to dig the hole they will bury us in. All to get a few more votes. The sheople will not awaken till it is too late.

  56. #313899
    On May 7th, 2008 at 9:30 am, Weary Citizen said:

    On May 7th, 2008 at 12:14 am, Send_Me said:

    Very well said.

  57. #313922
    On May 7th, 2008 at 9:51 am, xler8bmw said:

    I thought Mcshamnesty didn’t have pork?

  58. #313923
    On May 7th, 2008 at 9:51 am, xler8bmw said:

    I thought Mcshamnesty didn’t have pork?

  59. #313931
    On May 7th, 2008 at 9:56 am, xler8bmw said:

    Ron Paul has my vote! I think I’m more liberatrian anyway!

  60. #313937
    On May 7th, 2008 at 9:59 am, xler8bmw said:

    #17 yes, just like affirmative action. All social subsidies are in violation of the constitution.

    Article II Section 8 eneumerated powers of congress coupled with the 10th amendment.

    Hoe founding fathers made it quite clear NO CHARITY TO THE PEOPLE!

    Thank you FDR for putting us on the socialist road!

  61. #313957
    On May 7th, 2008 at 10:11 am, WarTip said:

    AbstractMind, if you can get Sheriff Joe and Bobby Jindal up with us to support it, I am all for that too. All I am trying to point out is that precisely because of some of the reasons as you have listed them, we need a true Conservative base to build on.

    Power needs to be removed from the Federal government and given back to the states and to the people. If some states want to continue in their socialist ways, so be it … but do not ask the rest of us to pay for it. If something like that ever were to happen, perhaps we could avoid the catastrophe our federal system is leading us to.

    Even if we agree to disagree on personnel, if we can get it going, heck, I would even come back to the USA to give it my full support. The beautiful thing about Conservatives and even most Libertarians is that we can debate facts, disagree when we draw different conclusions from the same facts and still manage to make forward progress and achieve something.

  62. #313967
    On May 7th, 2008 at 10:18 am, abstractmind said:

    Wartip,

    I wasn’t attacking you, or the post. sorry if it came across that way. I used to really like Newt. He was, in part, one of the reasons i took interest in politics and social issues. He always seemed passionate about what he was saying. But this is something that him and I are going to have to really differ on.

    If we could get Sheriff Joe, make him DHS head. Promise we’d have things done there! And Bobby for President 2012, I say.

    I just wanted to point out though, that Newt (while still right on a great many things) is no different in this case than McCain.

    And you’re right. There are those of us that do disagree about who, or how, the job gets done. But you and I both know that good people want to work together to get the job done regardless, and want the best for ourselves, our party, and our country at large.

  63. #313986
    On May 7th, 2008 at 10:29 am, Weary Citizen said:

    The GOP is still clueless as to the dropoff in support. It is debateable, but I attribute the GOP support loss to their amnesty and open borders contingent (aka mcamnesty, lott, graham, etc). That was the deal breaker for me. Gingrish even says the GOP can not rely on the “popularity of mccain” ot win in Nov. Is he crazy? mcamnesty is the most devisive person in the GOP. The dem convert moderates like him, but not conservatives. I am guessing the GOP leadership will determine they have not moved enough to moderate positions. If they would denounce any amensty and move to a platform of ATTRITION of illegal aliens, their donations and support would skyrocket. The stupid party blows it again.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10138.html

  64. #313990
    On May 7th, 2008 at 10:33 am, xler8bmw said:

    #62 what’s amazing is it’s not like the party is gaining anything with the hispanic vote. There’s not enough to make a difference.

    Here’s the math

    46 million hispanics in the country per the census
    50% of those don’t have a high school diploma per the census
    18.9 of those 46 million are registered to vote per the census
    Given the odds 1/2 of the 18.9 million vote
    I’ll will also, venture to say out of the 46 million 1/2 are illegal
    and can’t and shouldn’t be voting anyway!

  65. #313999
    On May 7th, 2008 at 10:38 am, WarTip said:

    Naw, I know it was not a personal attack AbstractMind. I am just wondering (really) if it would be possible to start something like the free state movement or a truly Federalist Party that did not come across with all of the conspiracy people and troofers so deeply ensconced in the Ron Paul campaign.

    I was just trying to figure out a way to start usurping power from the federal system the way they have done (with apologies to the people who admire him so much) since Lincoln centralized power to preserve a Union which was until then, comprised of Independent but United States of America.

    Now everybody’s future lies with the feds and most of us are downright resentful with what they are taking money out of our pockets to accomplish. If nothing else, a truly Conservative party would definitely be a step in the right direction. If we can accomplish it without the revolution or another civil war that so many truly Conservative people are beginning to see as an inevitability rather than as a conspiracy or as a crazy thought, all the better.

  66. #314029
    On May 7th, 2008 at 10:58 am, abstractmind said:

    re: Wartip

    I believe it’s possible, but unlikely. I hate being pessimistic about it, but, the chances are fairly low.

    You would REALLY have to set it up right. And I’m thinking, if you had the right platform, you would be able to keep the crazies out, while getting the message across. I guess the first place to start would be coming up with an itemized list of what the party would stand for, what they want to do, and how they’re going to do it.

    Then, it would need a leader. Seriously, looking at Jindal for this. I truly believe he could do it.

    If you want to expouse on this, we can start making a new party right here! :)

    As far as the civil war aspect…I’m still not convinced it will happen like that. I’m not willing to go load up on ammo and spare food just yet. I do believe, however, that things socially and politically are coming to a head, and that in the next decade or so, there is going to be some major upheaval in this country in those aspects. I could very well be wrong…but honestly, I think it’s time for some positive change anyway.

  67. #314030
    On May 7th, 2008 at 11:00 am, RTater said:

    From The Federalist 28-

    If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense, which is paramount to all positive forms of government; and which, against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of sucess, than against those of the rulers of an individual State……The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair.

    Just sayin’

  68. #314034
    On May 7th, 2008 at 11:03 am, dan708 said:

    The splattering sound is me throwing up my breakfast. It is WAY past time for a new American Revolution! We must take our country back by any means necessary.

  69. #314043
    On May 7th, 2008 at 11:08 am, xler8bmw said:

    #67 That’s great because when McCain said during the debates he was a Federalist!

  70. #314045
    On May 7th, 2008 at 11:09 am, mycroft69 said:

    I regret to say that it wouldn’t be revolution, it would be another civil war.

  71. #314074
    On May 7th, 2008 at 11:29 am, WarTip said:

    Yeah, and McCain would have us believe that HE is a conservative and us TRUE Conservatives are “out of touch with reality”.

    I love the Federalist Papers but I do wish they were not so right on the money about so many things. Unfortunately, I think we have some very dark days ahead of us. I would like to see positive change too but all I am seeing is an illegal redistribution of wealth, blatant disregard for the law, rewarding violators of the law, not only disregarding sedition but actively promoting it in institutions of higher education indoctrination … no matter how you add it up, it does not bode well for Freedom-loving, Bible-toting, Gun-wielding people concerned about the intrusion on their civil liberties … and the politicians certainly do not seem to give a damn.

  72. #314153
    On May 7th, 2008 at 12:09 pm, MrVIBEMAN said:

    I would say that I’d love to see a Revolution in this country, but I think that would only provide the schism those other groups are waiting for to jump in and claim authority or territory. Like the U.N., La Raza, your Muslim Terrorist of choice, Eurotrash Liberals, etc.
    Give Kennedy, Pelosi, or even McCain a chance to declare Martial Law, and you might never see another voting booth again.
    The biggest advantage our country has is it’s united front. Crack that and the whole house of cards could fall.

  73. #314168
    On May 7th, 2008 at 12:15 pm, WarTip said:

    On May 7th, 2008 at 12:09 pm, MrVIBEMAN said: The biggest advantage our country has is it’s united front. Crack that and the whole house of cards could fall.

    Our side would be United ;) It would be the liberals who would not be able to agree on which agenda to defend, which front to finance and besides … as sad as it is for me to even consider the possibility that it may happen … the military … or at least a vast portion of it, would still be on our side too.

    Not looking forward to the day if and when it gets here … but just sayin’.

  74. #314599
    On May 7th, 2008 at 5:14 pm, kakypat said:

    House GOP leader John Boehner

    Boehner = conservative

    McCain = not

    McCain needs to stop calling himself a conservative.
    We all know he’s not…

  75. #314903
    On May 7th, 2008 at 11:37 pm, everett_mansfield said:

    McCain=senile, dangerous man.

    His wife=simply unattractive.

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