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	<title>Comments on: Teachers&#8217; Unions and the Housing Crisis</title>
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		<title>By: Michelle Malkin &#187; Teaching U.S. History: We didn&#8217;t start the failure&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle Malkin &#187; Teaching U.S. History: We didn&#8217;t start the failure&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 17:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] by See-Dubya. H/t to Isaac Schrodinger. Another relevant rumination here.}  Posted in: Education  Send to a Friend Printer Friendly   comments [...]</description>
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		<title>By: codegator</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/05/06/teachers-unions-and-the-housing-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-321396</link>
		<dc:creator>codegator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 19:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When my wife and I were faced with the decision of which school district to buy into we opted to go against the grain and buy a reasonably priced home in a decent area where we could educate our kids at home. That decision didn&#039;t make us popular with the local school district or the local real-estate agency, but it turned out to be the right call for our family. My house isn&#039;t big or fancy but my kids can read and write. That&#039;s good enough for me. Oh yea, and the government won’t have to make my mortgage payments either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When my wife and I were faced with the decision of which school district to buy into we opted to go against the grain and buy a reasonably priced home in a decent area where we could educate our kids at home. That decision didn&#8217;t make us popular with the local school district or the local real-estate agency, but it turned out to be the right call for our family. My house isn&#8217;t big or fancy but my kids can read and write. That&#8217;s good enough for me. Oh yea, and the government won’t have to make my mortgage payments either.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Hazel</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/05/06/teachers-unions-and-the-housing-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-317974</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee Hazel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 19:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is really only one answer(two parts) to the problem of shoddy under performing schools. and, it is not more money.

The federal presence needs to be severely reduced. The how and what of the education of our children was and should be returned as a local resposibility removing the federal bureaucrats from the equation.

The second part of the answer is to take a hint from Ronald Reagon and do away with the union influence on our education system. It simply has no place in this vital aspect of our social fabric. The sloth and obstruction, by the unions, of real educational systemic improvement must be dealt with. 

PC will get us all
LEE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is really only one answer(two parts) to the problem of shoddy under performing schools. and, it is not more money.</p>
<p>The federal presence needs to be severely reduced. The how and what of the education of our children was and should be returned as a local resposibility removing the federal bureaucrats from the equation.</p>
<p>The second part of the answer is to take a hint from Ronald Reagon and do away with the union influence on our education system. It simply has no place in this vital aspect of our social fabric. The sloth and obstruction, by the unions, of real educational systemic improvement must be dealt with. </p>
<p>PC will get us all<br />
LEE</p>
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		<title>By: smellycat41</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/05/06/teachers-unions-and-the-housing-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-315111</link>
		<dc:creator>smellycat41</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 13:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been in the business of education for 33 years now and I have watched our schools turn from institutions of learning to INDOCTRANATION CENTERS FOR LIBERALISM!  The SAD part of it is the kids are buying into it hook line and sinker!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been in the business of education for 33 years now and I have watched our schools turn from institutions of learning to INDOCTRANATION CENTERS FOR LIBERALISM!  The SAD part of it is the kids are buying into it hook line and sinker!!!</p>
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		<title>By: southsideironworks</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/05/06/teachers-unions-and-the-housing-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-314334</link>
		<dc:creator>southsideironworks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 17:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My property values would probably be HIGHER if my local school system didn&#039;t suck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My property values would probably be HIGHER if my local school system didn&#8217;t suck.</p>
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		<title>By: Southpaw</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/05/06/teachers-unions-and-the-housing-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-314134</link>
		<dc:creator>Southpaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 15:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The current educational system is a nineteenth century anachronism, crumbling at the core, failng in it&#039;s mission and (like many of todays American institutions) doing real harm to the prosperity of the nation. Nothing short of complete restructuring of the system from the ground up is going to make it relevant to educating American children in the 21st century.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The current educational system is a nineteenth century anachronism, crumbling at the core, failng in it&#8217;s mission and (like many of todays American institutions) doing real harm to the prosperity of the nation. Nothing short of complete restructuring of the system from the ground up is going to make it relevant to educating American children in the 21st century.</p>
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		<title>By: NJRepublican</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/05/06/teachers-unions-and-the-housing-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-313819</link>
		<dc:creator>NJRepublican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 12:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Anyway, it’s not always the amount of money that makes the difference–it’s the talent of the teachers and the skills of the school’s management. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Amen to that.
Thanks to a State Supreme Court ruling, NJ plays Robin Hood and takes from the &quot;rich&quot; and gives to the poor.  Problem is, it&#039;s not just the rich, it&#039;s the middle class too.  Our property taxes then have to go up to pay for our own schools.  Then a few years ago, the State introduced a budget cap, but it doesn&#039;t exempt insurance, so even failing suburban schools can&#039;t throw money at the problem to make it better and we&#039;re having to cut sports and languages and music.  Corzine has proposed a new funding formula set to negate the need for &quot;Abbott Districts&quot; but it actually gives them more money.  To top it off, the ACLU among other groups are fighting the new formula: 
http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/jersey/index.ssf?/base/news-10/120961659366210.xml&amp;coll=1
Meanwhile, here&#039;s a look at what an audit of Abbott district Union City has found - the most aggregious being a contract for the bus drivers to be paid &lt;em&gt;6 hours&lt;/em&gt; overtime to charge their school cell phones:
http://www.nj.com/hudsoncountynow/index.ssf/2008/04/lawmakers_slam_outrageous_offe.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Anyway, it’s not always the amount of money that makes the difference–it’s the talent of the teachers and the skills of the school’s management. </p></blockquote>
<p>Amen to that.<br />
Thanks to a State Supreme Court ruling, NJ plays Robin Hood and takes from the &#8220;rich&#8221; and gives to the poor.  Problem is, it&#8217;s not just the rich, it&#8217;s the middle class too.  Our property taxes then have to go up to pay for our own schools.  Then a few years ago, the State introduced a budget cap, but it doesn&#8217;t exempt insurance, so even failing suburban schools can&#8217;t throw money at the problem to make it better and we&#8217;re having to cut sports and languages and music.  Corzine has proposed a new funding formula set to negate the need for &#8220;Abbott Districts&#8221; but it actually gives them more money.  To top it off, the ACLU among other groups are fighting the new formula:<br />
<a href="http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/jersey/index.ssf?/base/news-10/120961659366210.xml&amp;coll=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/jersey/index.ssf?/base/news-10/120961659366210.xml&amp;coll=1</a><br />
Meanwhile, here&#8217;s a look at what an audit of Abbott district Union City has found &#8211; the most aggregious being a contract for the bus drivers to be paid <em>6 hours</em> overtime to charge their school cell phones:<br />
<a href="http://www.nj.com/hudsoncountynow/index.ssf/2008/04/lawmakers_slam_outrageous_offe.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nj.com/hudsoncountynow/index.ssf/2008/04/lawmakers_slam_outrageous_offe.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: love2rumba</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/05/06/teachers-unions-and-the-housing-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-313635</link>
		<dc:creator>love2rumba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 04:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A major disappointmenr over the last 10 years has been the utter failure for School vouchers to be implemented.

The reasons: 1.Teacher Unions don&#039;t want competition while sending their kids to &quot;Running Start&quot; programs that others can&#039;t get into.

2. Too many Republicans and Democrats with money don&#039;t want their elite private school opened to middle-class/poor rabble</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A major disappointmenr over the last 10 years has been the utter failure for School vouchers to be implemented.</p>
<p>The reasons: 1.Teacher Unions don&#8217;t want competition while sending their kids to &#8220;Running Start&#8221; programs that others can&#8217;t get into.</p>
<p>2. Too many Republicans and Democrats with money don&#8217;t want their elite private school opened to middle-class/poor rabble</p>
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		<title>By: freaksloan</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/05/06/teachers-unions-and-the-housing-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-313591</link>
		<dc:creator>freaksloan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 02:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I moved 45 miles from were my job is. I moved to a small country village that has a nuclear power plant in its tax district, so they are one of the richest schools in the state. They are also one of the highest rated school districts in the state.

I also built my house including a 1/2 acre lot for $115,000 which would of cost well over $200,000 in the city in which I work. Also my property taxes are $1200 the lowest in the state. I will take the 45 mile commute to have my kids go to a great school and live in a safe town. Also, I didn&#039;t have to go into debt. 

Hey, Government I should be rewarded. Not the idiots who buried themselves in debt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I moved 45 miles from were my job is. I moved to a small country village that has a nuclear power plant in its tax district, so they are one of the richest schools in the state. They are also one of the highest rated school districts in the state.</p>
<p>I also built my house including a 1/2 acre lot for $115,000 which would of cost well over $200,000 in the city in which I work. Also my property taxes are $1200 the lowest in the state. I will take the 45 mile commute to have my kids go to a great school and live in a safe town. Also, I didn&#8217;t have to go into debt. </p>
<p>Hey, Government I should be rewarded. Not the idiots who buried themselves in debt.</p>
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		<title>By: thefoundingfathers</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/05/06/teachers-unions-and-the-housing-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-313571</link>
		<dc:creator>thefoundingfathers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 02:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The more I read the more I am glad we home school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more I read the more I am glad we home school.</p>
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		<title>By: NY Andy</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/05/06/teachers-unions-and-the-housing-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-313527</link>
		<dc:creator>NY Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 01:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>see-dubya,

Schools had a lot to do with my decision to move across Rockland county.  My son was told by another student that if his older brother saw him wearing his red jacket, the color of the bloods, he would be stabbed.  This was in 4th grade in a racially mixed middle class neighborhood.  My wife and I decided we had to be out before my son reached high school.  The HS was large, incompetent, and violent.  Gangs owned the hallways and only white students were disciplined consistently.

We moved to a district where there are less than 200 children in each grade.  We are much happier now and the boys are much safer.

If I were you, I would be sure to look at the size of the schools.  The smaller comunity schools seem to be able to do a better job of educating and they generally provide a better environment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>see-dubya,</p>
<p>Schools had a lot to do with my decision to move across Rockland county.  My son was told by another student that if his older brother saw him wearing his red jacket, the color of the bloods, he would be stabbed.  This was in 4th grade in a racially mixed middle class neighborhood.  My wife and I decided we had to be out before my son reached high school.  The HS was large, incompetent, and violent.  Gangs owned the hallways and only white students were disciplined consistently.</p>
<p>We moved to a district where there are less than 200 children in each grade.  We are much happier now and the boys are much safer.</p>
<p>If I were you, I would be sure to look at the size of the schools.  The smaller comunity schools seem to be able to do a better job of educating and they generally provide a better environment.</p>
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		<title>By: libocrat</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/05/06/teachers-unions-and-the-housing-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-313354</link>
		<dc:creator>libocrat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 22:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Klaatu said:The number 1 predictor of how well you will do in school is what womb you dropped out of.

How true.  Losers beget losers.  
Losers vote Democrat, have babies and stay losers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Klaatu said:The number 1 predictor of how well you will do in school is what womb you dropped out of.</p>
<p>How true.  Losers beget losers.<br />
Losers vote Democrat, have babies and stay losers.</p>
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		<title>By: Klaatu</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/05/06/teachers-unions-and-the-housing-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-313338</link>
		<dc:creator>Klaatu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 22:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; On May 6th, 2008 at 6:12 pm, see-dubya said:

    People aren’t getting into hock for a house in a good school district. 

I tell you, I am about to do exactly that.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;Would you be willing to buy the worst house in the district?  Realtors will tell you that is smart to buy the worst house in a good neighborhood rather than the best house in a lesser neighborhood.

If you are buying for the sake of the schools, buy cheap.  Better yet: rent.  You will be somewhat insulated from tax hike shocks.  Also, unless there is a good sized commercial base in the district, be forewarned about tax increases.  If you are the poorest guy in the district, everybody around you will care less than you do about tax hikes. The neighbors might not blink on what will make you choke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> On May 6th, 2008 at 6:12 pm, see-dubya said:</p>
<p>    People aren’t getting into hock for a house in a good school district. </p>
<p>I tell you, I am about to do exactly that.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Would you be willing to buy the worst house in the district?  Realtors will tell you that is smart to buy the worst house in a good neighborhood rather than the best house in a lesser neighborhood.</p>
<p>If you are buying for the sake of the schools, buy cheap.  Better yet: rent.  You will be somewhat insulated from tax hike shocks.  Also, unless there is a good sized commercial base in the district, be forewarned about tax increases.  If you are the poorest guy in the district, everybody around you will care less than you do about tax hikes. The neighbors might not blink on what will make you choke.</p>
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		<title>By: see-dubya</title>
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		<dc:creator>see-dubya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 22:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;People aren’t getting into hock for a house in a good school district. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I tell you, I am about to do exactly that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>People aren’t getting into hock for a house in a good school district. </p></blockquote>
<p>I tell you, I am about to do exactly that.</p>
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		<title>By: Klaatu</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/05/06/teachers-unions-and-the-housing-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-313307</link>
		<dc:creator>Klaatu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 22:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, here&#039;s the dirty little secret about schools and money.  It&#039;s secret because no one wants to talk about it.

The number 1 predictor of how well you will do in school is what womb you dropped out of.  Rich people don&#039;t move into school districts because they are good.  School districts are good because rich people live in them.  Wealthy people value education and pass on that value to their children, overtly and subliminally.

If you want to spend a whole lot of time checking this, go to sites like School Matters and look at school districts that are basically wealthy and have one school in a &quot;poor&quot; neighborhood.  This is easy to do by looking for Title I schools.  Invariably, the school in the poorer neighborhood will have lower achievement.

There are two commonly used antidotes to this situation. 1.Pour an extraordinary amount of extra resources into the school. 2. Run a good Pre-K and kindergarten so you can get the kids away from their parents as early and as long as possible.  Each of these will work.  The problem is &quot;equity.&quot;  It is almost impossible for a district to disproportionately allocate resources among schools, even when it is justified.  So, schools that will get along fine, thank-you-very-much, end up getting resources they don&#039;t need when more are needed elsewhere.

However, it is bigoted and foolish to say this is a universal truth.  Supportive parents of any income level can make their children succeed.  It is just harder when few people around you are on that bandwagon, just as the opposite is true.

It is sad to say that indifference to education is spreading to all social strata.  An overindulged generation has grown up with a you-owe-me attitude fueled by getting everything they want with little effort.  Similarly, discipline and self-discipline are an oddity nowadays.  

What do we expect?  People aren&#039;t getting into hock for a house in a good school district.  They get in over their heads for the sake of granite countertops and 1,000 sq. ft. bathrooms.  It just so happens that such houses are in neighborhoods filled with rich people and their schools are better.

The old adage is true: you&#039;re judged by the company you keep.  Just as true: better schools are, indirectly, a result of a meritocracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, here&#8217;s the dirty little secret about schools and money.  It&#8217;s secret because no one wants to talk about it.</p>
<p>The number 1 predictor of how well you will do in school is what womb you dropped out of.  Rich people don&#8217;t move into school districts because they are good.  School districts are good because rich people live in them.  Wealthy people value education and pass on that value to their children, overtly and subliminally.</p>
<p>If you want to spend a whole lot of time checking this, go to sites like School Matters and look at school districts that are basically wealthy and have one school in a &#8220;poor&#8221; neighborhood.  This is easy to do by looking for Title I schools.  Invariably, the school in the poorer neighborhood will have lower achievement.</p>
<p>There are two commonly used antidotes to this situation. 1.Pour an extraordinary amount of extra resources into the school. 2. Run a good Pre-K and kindergarten so you can get the kids away from their parents as early and as long as possible.  Each of these will work.  The problem is &#8220;equity.&#8221;  It is almost impossible for a district to disproportionately allocate resources among schools, even when it is justified.  So, schools that will get along fine, thank-you-very-much, end up getting resources they don&#8217;t need when more are needed elsewhere.</p>
<p>However, it is bigoted and foolish to say this is a universal truth.  Supportive parents of any income level can make their children succeed.  It is just harder when few people around you are on that bandwagon, just as the opposite is true.</p>
<p>It is sad to say that indifference to education is spreading to all social strata.  An overindulged generation has grown up with a you-owe-me attitude fueled by getting everything they want with little effort.  Similarly, discipline and self-discipline are an oddity nowadays.  </p>
<p>What do we expect?  People aren&#8217;t getting into hock for a house in a good school district.  They get in over their heads for the sake of granite countertops and 1,000 sq. ft. bathrooms.  It just so happens that such houses are in neighborhoods filled with rich people and their schools are better.</p>
<p>The old adage is true: you&#8217;re judged by the company you keep.  Just as true: better schools are, indirectly, a result of a meritocracy.</p>
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