Stuff Muslims Don’t Like: A new feature

By Michelle Malkin  •  May 7, 2008 09:03 PM

You know that popular blog “Stuff White People Like?” It’s a humorous site that keeps a running list of, well, stuff that white people like. The mainstream media went ga-ga over the site and a NY publisher forked over a book advance reported to reach $300,000. This week, the blog’s creator announced that the book, “Stuff White People Like,” is now available for pre-order on Amazon.com and elsewhere and will be released in July.

Now, as you all well know, the reason it’s acceptable to poke fun at “white people” is that no one is going to riot, burn things, or slice any heads off for mocking yuppie love of Toyota Priuses and Public Radio and Microbreweries.

Which got me to musing about a new feature: Stuff Muslims Don’t Like.

Of course, Stuff Muslims Don’t Like doesn’t purport to characterize the entire Muslim population anymore than Stuff White People Like purports to characterize the entire population of white people. It’s a look at predictable predilictions, proclivities, and trends.

I’ve already documented tons of items already that have set off the Religion of Perpetual Outrage. And Amboy Times has compiled a handy list of things that offend Muslims. But I think it’ll be a worthwhile exercise from here on out to start keeping a running blog list, a la Stuff White People Like.

Ask yourself this: Would the big chain bookstores carry a book about Stuff Muslims Don’t Like next to the Stuff White People Like book?

It would be an interesting test, no?

To kick things off, the first SMDL entry comes from Birmingham, England this week, where Muslims are outraged over billboard posters of women in bikinis–and outraged over advertising in general:

Matalan posters outrage Muslims
Apr 30 2008 By Paul Suart

A COUNCILLOR today called for more control over advertising posters in “culturally sensitive” areas of Birmingham.
Coun Talib Hussain made his plea after a billboard on the corner of Sydenham Road and Golden Hillock Road, in predominantly Muslim Sparkbrook, was defaced.

The hoarding, close to mosques in Anderton Road and Golden Hillock Road and visible to parents and children walking to Montgomery Primary School, promotes Matalan’s new swimwear range and features three scantily-clad models.

The models have been covered in thick white paint to conceal bare flesh.

Coun Talib Hussain (Ind, Sparkbrook) criticised the vandalism but said it was a result of the lack of action from city council bosses. He said: “I condemn the people that did this but at the same time it’s wrong for companies to put that kind of advert in sensitive wards.

“I have received complaints on a number of occasions not to put adverts like that in Sparkbrook. “The city council should not give permission to advertising like that in these wards. “Having families seeing naked pictures does not bring the community together, it provokes things.”

The vandalism is similar to a spate of attacks in 2005 and 2006 by a group called Muslims Against Advertising.

Criticism of over-the-top, pornified advertising is certainly welcome. But the targeted swimwear firm in this case, Matalan, is not some Victoria’s Secret-style retailer. It’s a family clothing company. The photos were not “naked pictures.” (Blogger Methodist Preacher has the advertising photo.) And unlike those who object to the Abercrombie and Fitch-i-fication of advertising, the Muslim critics of the innocuous bikini ads in Birmingham are driven not merely by an interest in protecting “cultural sensitivities”–but by an Islamic imperative that won’t rest until we’ve all traded in our bikinis for those stifling
burquinis.

Out: Two-piece swimsuits.

In: Sharia chic.

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  1. #315020
    On May 8th, 2008 at 8:22 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    “I have received complaints on a number of occasions not to put adverts like that in Sparkbrook. “The city council should not give permission to advertising like that in these wards. “Having families seeing naked pictures does not bring the community together, it provokes things.”

    This from a group of people who marry little girls off to old, decrepit men? Yeah. I’ll start taking advice from them… well never.

    When they start to question their beliefs, its precepts and ideas…then and only then will I entertain what they have to say about the rest of the world.

    You gotta be kidding me with carp.
    ______________________________________

    Oh and I love the idea of SMDL!

  2. #315021
    On May 8th, 2008 at 8:23 am, ajmontana said:

    Ha Bikini’s! Thongs must really send em in a Tizzy.

  3. #315022
    On May 8th, 2008 at 8:23 am, Madmoney said:

    SMDL is SWPDL.

  4. #315023
    On May 8th, 2008 at 8:24 am, tbbass said:

    To jroberts:
    From your post—
    “I said that they believe in God, that they believe in one God, and that much of their beliefs with regards to the one God are similar to ours on certain points. That’s it. What, exactly, do you find objectionable or not true?”
    What I find objectionable is the fact that the God of the Holy Bible, the God of the Jewish and Christian faiths is not the same god that islam professes to worship. Allah is the name of a meccan moon god that was worshipped by the culture that mohammad eventually subjugated and conquered. Nowhere in the Bible is “allah” mentioned as a name for God. Christians worship one God and believe in the concept of the Trinity.

  5. #315029
    On May 8th, 2008 at 8:33 am, undrseige247 said:

    Stuff Muslims dislike:

    Crusades

  6. #315035
    On May 8th, 2008 at 8:39 am, JHSII said:

    Muslims love moral relativism from people like lgm, sausage and abstractmind.

    Muslims don’t like people who haven’t drank the cool-aid or who can think for themselves.

  7. #315036
    On May 8th, 2008 at 8:40 am, sausage said:

    Allah is the name of a meccan moon god that was worshipped by the culture that mohammad eventually subjugated and conquered.

    oh Lordy… a Chick tract reader.. It gets even better!

  8. #315039
    On May 8th, 2008 at 8:44 am, lgm said:

    radio relay said (#92):

    Muslims don’t love God. Muslims hate God…

    Muslims love Allah, and only Allah.

    This is like saying Swedes don’t love God, they love Gud. Hebrew and Arabic are closely related languages, like English, German, and Swedish. No in Hebrew is “lo” (on the street, an Israeli might say “la”, roughly “nah”) and in Arabic, “le”.

    One of the Hebrew names of God is “El”. The Arabic version of this word is “Allah”.

    The Koran states that the God (Allah) of Abraham is the same God that guided Mohamed.

  9. #315040
    On May 8th, 2008 at 8:45 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    For your reference, I would point out Bob Jones University, and Liberty University, as examples of where these things are not acceptable at all. These are representative of Christian culture, and are the places where they go to educate themselves in a Christian atmosphere. I would believe that they represent things, generally, in these respects, yes?

    I attend Liberty University. There was a time when they did not allow the young ladies who attended this university to wear pants. That is no longer the case.

    AM said: I’ll let you pour through the entire list of absurd rules for yourself. Same thing can be found on Liberty’s site as well.

    30:I’m not aware of any absurd rules. These guidelines make sense. Besides, I don’t believe that it is a stretch for young adults who have given their lives over to Christ to think that what Liberty is expecting anymore of them. What Liberty is asking for isn’t out of bounds.

    AM said:It still kind of boggles me that people living in a modern society would abide by rules that I personally believe to be…well, rather stuffy.

    30: I typically agree with you but Islam and Christianity couldn’t be anymore dissimilar…to say the least.

    PS. blockquote was not being cooperative.

  10. #315044
    On May 8th, 2008 at 8:48 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    What I find objectionable is the fact that the God of the Holy Bible, the God of the Jewish and Christian faiths is not the same god that islam professes to worship.

    Yep. Muslims do not believe in Christ’s divinity. To them He was a great teacher.

  11. #315054
    On May 8th, 2008 at 8:57 am, lgm said:

    abstractmind said (#98):

    Christians (at least in modern history) have moved away from violence as a means of spreading their word,

    It all depends on the word “modern”.

    Moslems stopped spreading Islam “by the sword” at the battle of Vienna in 1683. They basically haven’t done so since.

    After that, Christians murdered millions of native Americans (the majority in what now is South America) to spread Christianity. Those of you who live in California might be particularly interested in the violence perpetrated by Father Junipero Serra.

  12. #315055
    On May 8th, 2008 at 8:58 am, Dimsdale said:

    On May 8th, 2008 at 8:15 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    Maybe you’re aware that observant Jews and Christians also don’t like nearly naked women on billboards. It’s a political issue in Jerusalem.

    I asked my Christian and Jewish friends, and they all agree: bikinis are good!

    This is the attitude that allows for sharia to creep up to my doorsteps. While liberals are busy extolling that Islamists aren’t that bad or they can’t possibly accomplish what you “neocons” are saying. Or my favorite – Christians are worse… In the meantime, Canada, Europe, etc… are all becoming Muslim states.

    EXACTLY! Sharia creep” is an excellent term, and is a bit of a double entendre.

    lgm, I think it would behoove you to pull your head out of the sand and take a look around.

    The sand? Not exactly what I was thinking…

    There have been 11,044 deadly terrorist attacks since 9/11 and Christians haven’t been the perpetrators. You don’t have to agree with conservatives on the danger these Islamists pose because it’s conservative “thang” to believe they are a threat. Your own survival instinct you should be kicking in and bells and alarms should be going off telling you that danger is near. Or have you become so dependent on the government that your self-reliance has dissipated? Because your schtick of being anti-conservative is really getting old.

    Dead on!

    On May 8th, 2008 at 8:44 am, lgm said:

    radio relay said (#92):

    Muslims don’t love God. Muslims hate God…

    Muslims love Allah, and only Allah.

    This is like saying Swedes don’t love God, they love Gud. Hebrew and Arabic are closely related languages, like English, German, and Swedish. No in Hebrew is “lo” (on the street, an Israeli might say “la”, roughly “nah”) and in Arabic, “le”.

    One of the Hebrew names of God is “El”. The Arabic version of this word is “Allah”.

    The Koran states that the God (Allah) of Abraham is the same God that guided Mohamed.

    Well maybe you should explain it to the Islamofascists. They must have missed the memo.

    THEY don’t seem to think we worship the same God, and will frag your butt to prove it.

  13. #315063
    On May 8th, 2008 at 9:03 am, dan708 said:

    Stuff Muslims Don’t Like:

    #3 – The Larch!

  14. #315065
    On May 8th, 2008 at 9:04 am, BOB said:

    On May 7th, 2008 at 9:43 pm, JHSII said:
    People who think for themselves.

    Women (in general)

    and God forbid that they should see a woman bodybuilder!!

    I’m anything but a Muslin and some of them gross me out too.

    1. Kevin Bacon
    2. Porky the Pig
    3. Miss Piggy
    4. Arnold the Pig, (Not the Governor)
    5. An American football
    6. Dancing with The Stars

  15. #315067
    On May 8th, 2008 at 9:05 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    Moslems stopped spreading Islam “by the sword” at the battle of Vienna in 1683. They basically haven’t done so since.

    You’re a joke. I promise to never respond to anything else you ever write again.

  16. #315076
    On May 8th, 2008 at 9:15 am, GaMidnightRider said:

    On May 7th, 2008 at 10:08 pm, Vntnrse said:
    Things Muslims don’t like?

    American military might!!!

    And i think we should show them more of our military might. Nuke em… Let God sort em out.

  17. #315078
    On May 8th, 2008 at 9:16 am, abstractmind said:

    sausage,

    While i give you props earlier for being accurate, you’re not winning an argument by being obtuse. you’re going to have to try harder.

    there are arguments on different sides about this issue. I’m not even sure if i want to get into this or not..but, i’ll at least post once.

    Even a simple google search of “allah moon god” brings back papers and info from views for and against this hypothesis. Both claim geological evidence. Both claim some sort of scripture as “proof” that he is or is not.

    Is it possible, even likely, that Allah is a moon god? there seems to be enough anecdotal to support that its possible. We could go into this ad nauseum, but for the moment, i’ll let this be.

    At this stage, whether he’s a moon god, sun god, sewage god, or whatever, doesn’t change the fact that the followers of Islam have a long, large, well known and documented history of violence as a means of spreading their faith. This includes present day.

    On May 8th, 2008 at 8:39 am, JHSII said:
    Muslims love moral relativism from people like lgm, sausage and abstractmind.

    I’m practicing moral relativism? Hardly. You’re going to have to back that up with something. Just because someone you don’t like makes a valid point, doesn’t mean i’m playing for their team. You didn’t even quote what i’m being relative about. But i’ll help you.

    Moral Relativism: In philosophy moral relativism is the position that moral or ethical propositions do not reflect objective and/or universal moral truths

    There is a clear cut difference between right and wrong. Islam promotes violence. That’s wrong. Christians have largely abandoned violence. That is not wrong.

    Where is my decrying of violence lacking some universal truth? Is it wrong or isnt it? I’m saying that violence is, in fact wrong, because it is a objective truth, in regards to harming innocents and non-combatants, Islamofascists do believe its OK, because they are neither objective, nor trying to institute or live by some moral law that reflects decent human behavior. The points i’ve made ALL OVER THIS BLOG are not even close to relativism.

    But saying that Christians, as far as the post previously was concerned, have the same restrictive views in some cases, is not relativism. It’s fact. I, in fact, placed the source on the post for you to reference. You just happen to not like it. I would, however, submit for your reading that I do practice in my thoughts a form of ethical pluralism. I’ll leave you to try and understand that, and apply it *correctly* to me in the future.

    So don’t lump me with the other team, just because they happen to make a point about something you find disagreeable. I certainly don’t play for their team. I have consistantly defended conservatives here, but i’m not going to say “i think you’re full of crap” simply because you aren’t conservative. THAT is what lgm does. He hates it because it’s not Democrat.

    I simply choose to see all sides of an argument, and make a decision on things based on the facts at hand, also demonstrated here and elsewhere on the blog. Far from relativism, I believe.

    But you’re entitled to your opinion, as I am to mine. But at least come at me with more than just a one sentence assumption about something you clearly dont understand.

    Done.

  18. #315079
    On May 8th, 2008 at 9:18 am, gustafson said:

    Sharia is slowly becoming the law of the land.

    Anyway, I actually like that muslim version of a swimsuit. I have tried to cover myself when snorkeling and instead of using excessive amount of sunblock. Lately, I have been using wetsuit to cover my upper body but full-body muslim like swimsuit might be even better protection against sun. Or is it only for women?

  19. #315084
    On May 8th, 2008 at 9:26 am, abstractmind said:

    On May 8th, 2008 at 8:45 am, 30 pcs of silver said

    Yes, you and I do agree alot :)

    I just think the rules, like the ones there at BJU, are stuffy. I don’t think its out of bounds, like Branch Dividians (sp) or the like. I just think they are stuffy,(and to me at least, absurb in our culture) thats all.

    And yes, you and I do agree that Christianity and Islam are vastly different, especially in approach. I know we’re on the same page there :)

    lgm, please cite sources for millions. and if by not using “the sword”, you are correct. Now, its bombs strapped to mentally handicapped people who are walked into crowds of people in markets in Iraq. No swords, true! But to try and use the argument that they are not using the same style of tactics as they did before is just being willfully ignorant of the facts, or refusing to accept what is blatant and in front of you, because it means you’d have to agree with a conservative. Don’t insult our intelligence with that kind of argument.

    Oh, sorry. That’s also not being morally relative. I must not be thinking right ROFL

  20. #315087
    On May 8th, 2008 at 9:28 am, englishqueen01 said:

    Moslems stopped spreading Islam “by the sword” at the battle of Vienna in 1683. They basically haven’t done so since.

    You’re right. They rarely use swords any more.

    They prefer explosives and airplanes.

  21. #315091
    On May 8th, 2008 at 9:29 am, supersean said:

    Typical hate thread… all Muslims bad.. all Christians good. People different bad…. GAP, Starbucks, Nike Good

    Come on now they are nutcases in all religions even our own here in America.

    SHUT.IT.UP

    and lead by example have an open heart to all in this world and a loaded M107 (sniper rifle for those not in the know) for all of the extremists (Muslim, Jewish,Christian,Buddist, etc).

    Thats my take on the matter.. let the flaming begin

  22. #315092
    On May 8th, 2008 at 9:31 am, radio relay said:

    The Koran states that the God (Allah) of Abraham is the same God that guided Mohamed.

    Man, you lefties are thick in the head!

    I know what the Qur’an says!!! Probably better than any of you.

    It’s not a matter of “words”, in the western sense as a means to and end in communication. It is NOT God (Allah), or Allah (God), to Muslims.

    Allah, is not a mere word for referencing a deity!! Allah, and his other 99 names(all of which are known to men, except one) are the embodiment of the Muslim deity!! The western names of God are not recognized, and thus, despised by Muslims!!

    Don’t expect you lefties to have the brain power to understand it, but I tried.

  23. #315093
    On May 8th, 2008 at 9:32 am, englishqueen01 said:

    abstractmind:

    Do those who go to Bob Jones or similar universities do so of their own free will?

    Yep.

    And – guess what – they *know* those requirments before going in.

    Still different. Were there mistakes and bad representatives in Christianity’s history? Yep. Yet in the 20th century, that violence has been thwarted and Christians do not spread their faith by violence.

    It’s amazing to watch Manning’s Corrollary come to pass again and again in this thread.

    I ask lgm and sausage what parts of shari’a law they find acceptable, and when they will be touching down in Iran to enjoy shari’a law first hand.

  24. #315096
    On May 8th, 2008 at 9:35 am, abstractmind said:

    On May 8th, 2008 at 9:32 am, englishqueen01 said:
    abstractmind:

    Do those who go to Bob Jones or similar universities do so of their own free will?

    Yep.

    And – guess what – they *know* those requirments before going in.

    EQ, I usually agree with you as well. Yes, they know the requirements going in. And again…I -personally- think they are just stuffy. That’s their choice, and I support the fact they have the freedom to do so. Doesn’t mean i dont think the policies aren’t silly. Just my opinion, afterall.

    As for the sharia part…i’m hoping its ASAP. I would LOVE to see their posts after having a first hand taste of what that whole situation would entail :)

  25. #315097
    On May 8th, 2008 at 9:35 am, supersean said:

    #114

    Hmmm I think someone is channeling Hitler today.

    I hope Michelle censors this nasty speech.

  26. #315099
    On May 8th, 2008 at 9:36 am, jamesrileyjr said:

    I’m going to order subscriptions to Glamour and Vogue for my wife, I’m going to eat red meat and pork as often as possible (with extra stops at Dunkin Donuts in the AM and especially on Sunday when I’ll celebrate the Resurrection with a dozen donuts for my family), I’m going to distribute Fitna to every site I can squeeze it onto, especially The Pirate Bay, I’m going to use the Mohammed-As-Bomb picture as my profile picture on every major service that asks for a profile from here on in, and I’m going to continue saluting the men and women who continue to work at the Armed Forces Recruiting Station in Times Square every time I pass by it on my way to and from work.

    And I’m going to proudly wear my scapular, and I’m going to pray my rosary, and I’m going to go to Mass and celebrate His resurrection and ascension into Heaven to wait for me and my family, and I’m not going to be ordered or coerced or told at all that I will worship allah, because I love my God with all that I am and I will say it no matter what they try to do to me or my fellow human beings.

  27. #315103
    On May 8th, 2008 at 9:39 am, abstractmind said:

    On May 8th, 2008 at 9:36 am, jamesrileyjr said:

    Imagine the outrage if they found you reading Maxim? LOL

  28. #315104
    On May 8th, 2008 at 9:40 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    Typical hate thread… all Muslims bad.. all Christians good. People different bad…. GAP, Starbucks, Nike Good

    No one here has said anything about all Muslims. In addition, you will note that this thread is about what Muslims don’t like.
    Perhaps reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit but you and your friends never miss an opportunity to bring Christianity into the discussion when the topic isn’t about Christianity.

  29. #315107
    On May 8th, 2008 at 9:44 am, radio relay said:

    supersean said:

    Hmmm I think someone is channeling Hitler today.

    I hope Michelle censors this nasty speech.

    Typical lib… wants sensor everything they don’t like!

    You forgot your own “Sieg Heil”, supersean

  30. #315132
    On May 8th, 2008 at 10:06 am, JHSII said:

    abstractmind – When you made post #98, you engaged in moral relativism. lgm and sausage do it all the time.

    Moral Relativism

    Maybe you should understand the meaning of what you post before you hit “submit comment”

  31. #315133
    On May 8th, 2008 at 10:07 am, Tantor said:

    Things Muslims Don’t Like:

    Non-Muslims
    Americans & Jews
    Man-Made Law, like democracy
    Infidel Superpowers
    Danish Cartoons, naturally
    Apple Mecca.
    Nike Air shoes
    Burger King ice cream cones
    Piggy Banks
    Beauty Pageants
    Life

  32. #315141
    On May 8th, 2008 at 10:11 am, JHSII said:

    I will also add that the only reason whatsoever to mention Bob Jones University and what they do/don’t allow there in the topic Stuff Muslims Don’t Like: A new feature is to engage in moral relativism.

    We are not just as bad as they are.

  33. #315151
    On May 8th, 2008 at 10:14 am, Yashmak said:

    Now, as you all well know, the reason it’s acceptable to poke fun at “white people” is that no one is going to riot, burn things, or slice any heads off

    - MM

    Mainly because we don’t really care.

  34. #315153
    On May 8th, 2008 at 10:15 am, Yashmak said:

    #114

    Hmmm I think someone is channeling Hitler today.

    I hope Michelle censors this nasty speech.

    Hitler didn’t have nukes.

  35. #315167
    On May 8th, 2008 at 10:26 am, alaskangrizzly said:

    Wow, this thread got derailed rather quickly. Didn’t take long to go from MM’s stated intent of making a post similar to ’stuff white people like’ by having a little fun pointing out the rather long list of ‘things muslims don’t like’ since they generally express what they don’t like through vandalism, violence and frivilous lawsuits.

  36. #315168
    On May 8th, 2008 at 10:27 am, fourstringfuror said:

    For your reference, I would point out Bob Jones University, and Liberty University, as examples of where these things are not acceptable at all. These are representative of Christian culture, and are the places where they go to educate themselves in a Christian atmosphere. I would believe that they represent things, generally, in these respects, yes?

    No. No. No.

    It’s rather presumptious to say these places are representative of “Christian culture,” whatever that means. There are thousands of other Christian schools, universities, and academies where no such rules exist. I attended a Christian liberal arts university and never once abided by any rules like the ones you reference.

    If you want proof that BJU and LU do not represent “Christian culture,” I would direct your attention here.

  37. #315169
    On May 8th, 2008 at 10:28 am, abstractmind said:

    If you think I was making the point that they are “as bad as we are”, that was not the point I was trying to make. While I do agree that sausage had a point about there being things similar, the LEVEL of those differences vastly differ.

    I was demonstrating, however, that there is sufficient information to show there is something there, however, that is at least worth a discussion. Not a long one. I’m almost sorry to have pointed it out, as you apparently haven’t gotten the point yet.

    You’re still using a term you don’t understand or apply properly.

    I’ll say it again. And i’ll even agree with you, JH…

    We are not just as bad as they are. is absolutely correct. If you bothered to read the posts above, you would see that as well. And -again-…the issues I posted with BJU, as i mentioned with 30, was my personal opinion about them being stuffy. BJU/LU or other campuses there are NOT producing bomb toting jihadists, last i saw, however. Them not allowing televisions is silly to me, but thats a FAR cry from having them blow themselves up in crowded places.

    Still, no moral relativism here. Just pointing out a fact you seem to have trouble grasping. Relativism would be saying “Because BJU wont allow televisions in dorm rooms, means they must be as bad as jihadist suicide bombings in Baghdad.”

    Anyone with a clear sense of right and wrong would agree that the above statement is pure BS. And that would be the opposite of relativism. Blowing people up in jihadist fashion is universally wrong. See?

    If you want though, we can discuss relativism and its tenants if you like. Being morally relative isnt always a bad thing. But there are some things you have to draw a line in the sand with, which would me that moral relativism isn’t universal or absolute…if you agree with that line of thinking.

    Complex, no? :) Who knew i’d spark an ethics/morals debate off that term :)

  38. #315172
    On May 8th, 2008 at 10:29 am, Mohawk said:

    Everyday I wake up NOT a muslim is a good day!!!!

    BIKINIS FOR ALL WOMEN!!!

    Well maybe not all women.

    BIKINIS FOR MOST WOMEN!!!

    hehe

  39. #315183
    On May 8th, 2008 at 10:33 am, mattymatt10 said:

    On May 8th, 2008 at 7:58 am, englishqueen01 said:
    Mattymatt10:

    I see your point, however, there is *still* a difference. Petitioning the government and protesting are well within our rights.

    The forced submission to Islam that takes place under shari’a law is *not*. Do I agree with everything Christian fundamentalists oppose? No. I like my rum and I like my husband’s nonrhythmic dancing and I like my pants.

    But not a one of the Christian fundamentalists I’ve known have decided to violently, forcibly subdue the culture into accepting their version of a theocracy.

    Islam has, does, and will continue to do so. Mark my words.

    Unless we wake up and start doing something about it.

    Good points all, Englishqueen. I hope it doesn’t sound like I’m defending vandalism or Sharia creep, because that’s not at all what I want to convey. I’ll be dead in the cold, cold earth before I submit to the “peace” of Islam. And I don’t claim any similarity between modern day Christianity and Islam.

    My point is best expressed by Frederick Douglass, who said “No man can put a chain about the ankle of his fellow man without at last finding the other end fastened about his own neck.” I don’t think we can restrict the rights of one group (within our Western, Constitutional framework) without ultimately restricting the rights of all.

    In this particular case, I don’t have a problem with them working with the town council or swimwear company to remove the sign. As long as they work through those channels. If they take to the streets and start waving signs that say “Free speech go to hell” or “Behead those who wear bikinis” or put out a fatwa on the head of the swimwear company, or some other such nonsense, you can be sure I’ll be changing my tune.

    I’m not defending Islam, I’m only defending the right of people to petition their government for a redress of grievances.

  40. #315184
    On May 8th, 2008 at 10:33 am, Larraby said:

    Here are things that Muslims will not allow to be discussed:
    1) The Spanish reconquest of Spain following the Muslim invasion of Spain and the imperial rule of the Muslim Caliphate for hundreds of years. For Muslims, it is unthinkable that any peoples conquered by Muslims can ever regain their independence. That is why Osama Ben Laden has devoted so much of his “writings” over the years to the issue of Spain. Supposedly, Ben Laden even traveled to Spain to weep over the loss of Spain to the infidels.
    Incredibly, the left wing government of Spain is too timid to celebrate the victory over the Muslim invaders.
    2) Crosses. I was told by a veteran of Operation Desert Storm that in 1990 when he went to Saudi Arabia, he was told by the US Army never to wear his cross in public as that would “incite” the Saudis. He said that he was instructed never to even discuss religion in public. He also told me that one his fellow soldiers who was involved in Patriot Missile defense was told that he was NEVER to wear his Star of David in Saudi Arabia. He said the guy was told that if any Saudi Arabian asked him about his religion, he was told to never, never, never mention that he is Jewish.
    And to think that the US pretends that Saudi Arabia is such a wonderful, loyal ally.

  41. #315185
    On May 8th, 2008 at 10:33 am, abstractmind said:

    On May 8th, 2008 at 10:27 am, fourstringfuror said:

    Looks like this is going to be a long day with this topic, which is getting hijacked :(

    If you’re not familiar with the culture and social interactions of christians, while you attend the school there, then I’m not sure how much help I can be on this. I said the two schools above represented it, because they are 2 of the larger, more well known schools. That doesn’t mean there arent other religious colleges that arent as well know. I used those 2 as a sample.

    However, if BJU and LU don’t represent christian thought/doctrine/culture…what do they represent?

    Now, somehow…gotta get this back to the regular thread. Sorry if this is a hijack, it was not my intention.

  42. #315190
    On May 8th, 2008 at 10:35 am, fourstringfuror said:

    Perhaps reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit but you and your friends never miss an opportunity to bring Christianity into the discussion when the topic isn’t about Christianity.

    I’d like to repent for engaging a moral relativist. It just gets really old hearing the same people tell us over and over that Christians are no different than Muslims. It’s the epitome of ignorance.

    Anyway, I’d like to add a few things to the list of Stuff Muslims Don’t Like.

    -Female genitals (why else would they spend so much time obsessing over the best way to properly mutilate them?)

    -Hospitals. Muslims much prefer morgues. Especially for Jews.

    -Hitler, because he killed 6M Jews and gets to take all the credit.

    -Us, because we aren’t dead yet.

  43. #315193
    On May 8th, 2008 at 10:37 am, abstractmind said:

    On May 8th, 2008 at 10:29 am, Mohawk said:
    Everyday I wake up NOT a muslim is a good day!!!!

    BIKINIS FOR ALL WOMEN!!!

    Well maybe not all women.

    BIKINIS FOR MOST WOMEN!!!

    One of the few times i feel like saying “Amen!”

  44. #315194
    On May 8th, 2008 at 10:38 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    Abstractmind,
    Them not allowing televisions is silly to me, but thats a FAR cry from having them blow themselves up in crowded places.

    Not only does LU allow tvs they also have an ice skating rink on the premises. In addition, to 83,000 square feet LaHaye Student Center that includes:

    Full-service work-out areas with 150 pieces of equipment featuring…

    Magnum Fitness weight equipment
    True Fitness Treadmills, Ellipticals
    True Fitness Recumbent and Upright bikes
    5 Televisions with Broadcast Vision

    5 Hardwood Basketball courts with…

    BPI 3000 Portable Backstops

    Swimming facilities with…

    25 yard 6 lane pool
    1 meter diving board
    12 ft well
    2 Spas

    Lounge to relax and socialize in with…

    2 Large Screen TV’s
    4 32″ Flat Panel Televisions w/ PS3
    2 Billiard Tables
    Board Games

    What you are saying simply isn’t true.

  45. #315195
    On May 8th, 2008 at 10:38 am, abstractmind said:

    I’d like to repent for engaging a moral relativist. It just gets really old hearing the same people tell us over and over that Christians are no different than Muslims. It’s the epitome of ignorance.

    you should. you werent engaging one to begin with.

    Done.

  46. #315196
    On May 8th, 2008 at 10:39 am, fourstringfuror said:

    you have to draw a linedrop a nuke in the sand

    Maybe that’s just me.

  47. #315200
    On May 8th, 2008 at 10:41 am, abstractmind said:

    *sigh*

    30, the link was for BJU. THEY dont. LU has relaxed their policies in the last few years. But a good look at the wayback machine site shows that up until 3 years ago, they were in the same boat.

    I’m getting tired of having to discuss televisions and people who use terms they dont understand or apply right.

    I’m done commenting on christian religions. it wasnt the point of the thread, and i apologize for mentioning it. some of us, who dont believe in a god, just think people like this do things that are silly.

    but whatever. discuss as you will.

  48. #315203
    On May 8th, 2008 at 10:42 am, Mohawk said:

    If you really want to see what muslims don’t like go here for a daily read.

    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

  49. #315212
    On May 8th, 2008 at 10:47 am, fourstringfuror said:

    I’m done commenting on christian religions.

    Best news all day.

  50. #315213
    On May 8th, 2008 at 10:48 am, sambo said:

    30 pcs of silver said:
    Yep. Muslims do not believe in Christ’s divinity. To them He was a great teacher.

    obviously not that great. they don’t listen to a word he says.

  51. #315215
    On May 8th, 2008 at 10:48 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    abstractmind,
    I was operating under the assumption that we were discussing what BJU and LU engage in today.

    Same thing can be found on Liberty’s site as well.

    As a result, I felt it necessary to explain to you that what you have been referring to was indeed incorrect.
    However, now that I know that you were referring to what may have been apart of their policies 3 yrs ago… I’ll digress.

  52. #315220
    On May 8th, 2008 at 10:50 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    On May 8th, 2008 at 10:48 am, sambo said:
    30 pcs of silver said:
    Yep. Muslims do not believe in Christ’s divinity. To them He was a great teacher.
    obviously not that great. they don’t listen to a word he says.

    HA! Imagine all of the trouble it would save, if they did.

  53. #315222
    On May 8th, 2008 at 10:52 am, srhoades said:

    I don’t like bikinis either . . . just the girls in them.

  54. #315223
    On May 8th, 2008 at 10:52 am, Mohawk said:

    Monthly Jihad Report
    April 2008
    Jihad Attacks: 185
    Countries: 14
    Religions: 5
    Dead Bodies: 943
    Critically Injured: 1223

    The don’t like me!

  55. #315225
    On May 8th, 2008 at 10:53 am, JHSII said:

    abstractmind #135

    If you think I was making the point that they are “as bad as we are”, that was not the point I was trying to make.

    Then why did you bring up Bob Jones University?

    I was demonstrating, however, that there is sufficient information to show there is something there, however, that is at least worth a discussion. Not a long one. I’m almost sorry to have pointed it out, as you apparently haven’t gotten the point yet.

    Oh, I got your point all right. Bob Jones University represents Christianity. Bob Jones University is just as bad as a madrassa.

    If this wasn’t your point then there was utterly absolutely NO reason to bring up Bob Jones University in a topic about muslims!!

    You’re still using a term you don’t understand or apply properly.

    Here you demonstrate that you don’t know what you’re talking about. Just because you don’t like what I’m saying doesn’t mean that I don’t understand or can’t apply properly the terms I use.

    Still, no moral relativism here. Just pointing out a fact you seem to have trouble grasping.

    It’s absolutely moral relativism, and I don’t have any trouble grasping that fact.

    Now that you’ve dug your heels in I don’t expect you to understand. That’s ok. You’ve proven my point.

  56. #315228
    On May 8th, 2008 at 10:54 am, abstractmind said:

    ty 30. sorry for the confusion. my apologies, and as always, excellent to talk with you here.

    four, you couldnt debate it with me anyway. you cant even get the frame of the discussion, much less its details, correct to begin with. Besides, all you can do is talk down to people anyway. typical of someone who can’t compete intellectually. I’m sure, however, if i resume islam bashing, you’ll be onboard, no doubt. you’re discussions are as weak as they are ignorant. You are the weakest link. Goodbye.

    And that, as they say, is that.

  57. #315233
    On May 8th, 2008 at 10:57 am, abstractmind said:

    and JH, i’m done. your entire post consisted of regurgitating my points, which didn’t include me saying “muslim=christianity”. But thank you for make a rather lenthy post that completely proved my point. bonus points for the “you’re dug in” argument…it only means you’re as closed minded as you claim I am. And its getting boring having to explain it over and over.

    Done with you as well. Moving on to more intelligent threads elsewhere.

  58. #315234
    On May 8th, 2008 at 11:00 am, lgm said:

    sambo said:

    Yep. Muslims do not believe in Christ’s divinity. To them He was a great teacher.

    obviously not that great. they don’t listen to a word he says.

    Jews think of Christ as a great fraud. We spend our youth learning about all the crimes committed against Jews in the name of Christ. Go to your nearest Hebrew Day School and ask to see their History of the Jewish People class that covers the period from 1AD until now.

    I’m not saying this to disparage Christians or Christianity. I’m saying it to remind certain people who claim to love the Jewish people that they are claiming to love people who reject Christ.

  59. #315246
    On May 8th, 2008 at 11:04 am, taylork said:

    Oh lgm, you were wrong about the Philly cop shooters being Christian. congratulations on making your assumptio on absolutely no information other demographics.

    On the plus side, at least the shooters mosque is doing the right thing and deciding not to bury the guy, saying his behavior is inexcusable.

  60. #315250
    On May 8th, 2008 at 11:07 am, fourstringfuror said:

    four, you couldnt debate it with me anyway.

    Yep! You’re right!

    This isn’t the place, so not only could I not, I will not.

  61. #315251
    On May 8th, 2008 at 11:08 am, taylork said:

    Jews think of Christ as a great fraud. We spend our youth learning about all the crimes committed against Jews in the name of Christ.

    lgm, you would do best to not speak for an entire religion. As I just showed above, your assumptions have been wrong before.

  62. #315254
    On May 8th, 2008 at 11:10 am, Joemantler said:

    Stuff Muslims don’t Like I love it!

  63. #315264
    On May 8th, 2008 at 11:14 am, JHSII said:

    I see abstractmind had to get in a few last cheap shots before he left. A lot of projection there as well too.

    I guess I hit a nerve.

  64. #315267
    On May 8th, 2008 at 11:16 am, sambo said:

    lgm said:
    sambo said:

    Yep. Muslims do not believe in Christ’s divinity. To them He was a great teacher.

    obviously not that great. they don’t listen to a word he says.

    Jews think of Christ as a great fraud. We spend our youth learning about all the crimes committed against Jews in the name of Christ.

    I’m not familiar where Jesus tells his followers to kill the jews…I’ll go back to Sunday school.

  65. #315270
    On May 8th, 2008 at 11:16 am, brad_sk said:

    love2rumba said at 15

    Stuff Muslims Don’t Like:
    Truth, Justice and the American Way!

    hehe…nice once!

  66. #315293
    On May 8th, 2008 at 11:32 am, srhoades said:

    I’m saying it to remind certain people who claim to love the Jewish people that they are claiming to love people who reject Christ.

    So, let me get this straight . . . because Jews aren’t Christians, I as a Christian am supposed to hate Jews? Can I ask you one question? As a Jewish Christian how am I supposed to feel about myself?

  67. #315299
    On May 8th, 2008 at 11:34 am, abstractmind said:

    Thought i’d check, just to see one more time ;)

    jh, just as cheap to keep talking when you think someone else isnt listening anymore? :) but keep reading, before you get hyper…

    It’s not a nerve. I’m just tired of having to argue over a point that I fundamentally agree with you on. i’m not sure why its not that obvious. If the comments about the schools muddied the water, then thats my fault. overzealousness for fairness, as it were. I prefer to call things as they are. but i’m not saying those 2 religions are equal, in any way. keep reading…

    If you want a nerve, here’s a nerve that I believe people can relate to…

    I want islam to go the way of the dodo, personally. I hate that religion. I hate its pretense of violence, its anger, blind rage, and manufactured shock and offense they take when questioned over the smallest detail. I hate that it subjugates women and makes them objects or worse, and that it’s ok for them to behead girls who have been brutally raped, leaving their bodies in the streets. I hate their intolerant ramblings and their wide berth of destruction that they leave in the hearts, minds, and landscapes of all they touch and see.

    I hate that we have to give some of our freedoms we enjoyed pre 9/11, because some turban wearing morons decided to come over here and create chaos.

    I don’t use the word hate lightly. I’m not a personal prone to random hate and indiscriminant anger. While i dont agree with christians, i dont hate them. Hell, half the time, when i read stories about them being slighted, i believe they should be lifted up, and allowed the same freedom of speech the left trumpets. It’s not fair, and they deserve the same airtime, the same respect, and the same amount of discourse as anyone else who wants to step up, and discuss an issue calmly and peacefully. When they are being as over the top as are misguided friends on the left…then I can’t agree.

    Islam does not do that. Islam is a religion, nay a cult, of destruction, death, and a lack of personal freedom.

    Sorry if I offended someone. I don’t apologize for what i’ve put. But i’m not trying to get on anyone’s nerves.

    JH, you and i agree, as far as islam is concerned. maybe bringing up bju and the others was incorrect. While i think the link of them both them and islam having odd restrictions, i’ll say this as a finality:

    Islam is evil.

    Christians…not so much :P

    OK, now i’m done. besides, meetings call in a minute.

    It’s too bad, because there could be some honest discourse about other things here, if we had a way to communicate outside the board (email, etc). at least them we wouldnt be clogging up the lines here.

  68. #315304
    On May 8th, 2008 at 11:37 am, lgm said:

    sambo said (#162):

    I’m not familiar where Jesus tells his followers to kill the jews.

    He didn’t. I didn’t say he did. But, as Rumsfeld said about Iraq falling apart post invasion, “stuff happens”.

    The Old Testament has lots of commands to kill people (the entire population of Jerico, or example).

  69. #315318
    On May 8th, 2008 at 11:49 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    He swooped, he pooped and he scored. Now please can you all stop feeding the seagull?

  70. #315323
    On May 8th, 2008 at 11:51 am, sambo said:

    lgm said:
    sambo said (#162):

    I’m not familiar where Jesus tells his followers to kill the jews.

    He didn’t. I didn’t say he did. But, as Rumsfeld said about Iraq falling apart post invasion, “stuff happens”.

    The Old Testament has lots of commands to kill people (the entire population of Jerico, or example).

    Dude, I made a comment about muslums not listening to Jesus’s words…and then you come back with jews? Now with Rumsfeld and the Old Testament. I thought the New Testament was the one about Jesus! and I don’t remember it mentioing Rumsfeld either.

  71. #315327
    On May 8th, 2008 at 11:53 am, taylork said:

    lgm, the larger point you’re missing is that once again you’ve made a stupid assumption. Unless you’ve been to multiple hebrew schools that all do the same thing and talk to a random sample of Jews who believe what you’ve said they do, then you’ve brought up another unsubstaniated fact, that is likely false. Just like the NRA comment on the philly shooting, and just like you said the perps were Christian based on the fact that most people in the country are Christian.

    Rather than speaking in nonsense and hyperbole, why don’t do some research on this stuff before you decide to post?

  72. #315328
    On May 8th, 2008 at 11:53 am, abstractmind said:

    lgm,

    As a point of mention, Christians follow the New Testament. Christ fundamentally preached to “love thy neighbor as thyself” and even healed a man that struck with a sword while there to arrest him, which would ultimately lead to his death. While i’m not a believer per se anymore, it’s a stretch to say “stuff happens” when clearly, “stuff happening” wasnt in the NT account.

    And before its said, yes, Christ drove the money collectors from the temple, with a whip (or scourge, i’ve seen in a translation as well). Not with the sword, or a spear…but with a weapon who’s function is not to kill or permanently maim.

    Just my 2 cents about Jesus, along with the rest of this post…guess i’m earning my name ;)

  73. #315332
    On May 8th, 2008 at 11:54 am, taylork said:

    He swooped, he pooped and he scored. Now please can you all stop feeding the seagull?

    what is we were to feed the seagull an antacid, like alka seltzer? Boom!!!

  74. #315339
    On May 8th, 2008 at 12:01 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    taylork,
    HA! His posts are getting whackier and whackier with every reply. It doesn’t make any sense to address him anymore. I vowed to not reply at all. It’s tough but I’m sticking to my guns.

  75. #315340
    On May 8th, 2008 at 12:02 pm, sambo said:

    I don’t think muslums like spam…

  76. #315346
    On May 8th, 2008 at 12:06 pm, abstractmind said:

    mmmmmmmmm, spam :) You know they have bacon flavored spam, right? :) Good stuff!

  77. #315347
    On May 8th, 2008 at 12:06 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    lgm said:
    The Koran states that the God (Allah) of Abraham is the same God that guided Mohamed.

    He reads the Koran and knows it. That explains a lot!

    Muslims don’t like:

    Handicap women

  78. #315349
    On May 8th, 2008 at 12:07 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    30,

    What is life if you can’t whack a troll? :)

  79. #315350
    On May 8th, 2008 at 12:08 pm, sambo said:

    I bet muslums don’t like lgm’s foes…

  80. #315366
    On May 8th, 2008 at 12:22 pm, jsr said:

    sambo,

    I’ll bet they wouldn’t like lgm either. They are notorious troll haters. It’s in the Koran.

  81. #315367
    On May 8th, 2008 at 12:23 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    Soap,
    I’m not giving up whack-a-troll completely… just this one.

    :-)

  82. #315383
    On May 8th, 2008 at 12:34 pm, SoonerMarine said:

    tgusa #56 is exactly right. Most of them actually love this stuff. Right after the end of the conventional fighting to 2003 there were crowds gathered around our vehicles whenever we stopped and what these guys wanted to see was FHM or MAXIM or anything like that. Or you got, “Show me a picture of your girlfriend.” And, once we moved into the city, we found that there were little porno theaters/stores in several places. No advertising, but everyone knew what they were. But, not a soul would admit that they existed even when you were standing right in front of one. Lastly, we set up a soccer game against the locals and one of our players was a WM from the ASLT. She showed up in her shorts and both the other team and the crowd were all about it until the local Imam stood up and started yelling at all of them. They were immediately cowed and the game could not begin until she was removed from the field.

  83. #315401
    On May 8th, 2008 at 12:52 pm, meatpieandtatters said:

    To be a good Muslim, it would appear, one must be perpetually outraged.

  84. #315427
    On May 8th, 2008 at 1:28 pm, thewariscoming said:

    Things white people like:
    Michelle Malkin

    Things Muslims don’t like:
    White people standing up for themselves.

  85. #315439
    On May 8th, 2008 at 1:38 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Ha Bikini’s! Thongs must really send em in a Tizzy.

    Only the guys wearing them!

  86. #315441
    On May 8th, 2008 at 1:39 pm, erikwhittington said:

    Things Muslims don’t like:

    Michelle Malkin!

  87. #315453
    On May 8th, 2008 at 1:51 pm, sambo said:

    Things Muslims don’t like: other muslims

  88. #315461
    On May 8th, 2008 at 2:05 pm, dakine said:

    I think Chris Hitchens said it best: “Religion poisons everything”. I would add that some religions poison more severely than others. Islam is a poison that kills (arsenic maybe), while Buddhism or Bahai (sp?) merely makes one sort of slightly nauseous. Christianity is somewhere in between.

  89. #315462
    On May 8th, 2008 at 2:06 pm, Misscheryl said:

    lgm, people were killed in Biblical times, just as they are today. However, it has NEVER been a tennant of Christianity to kill. I wish people would quit equating the actions of what people do, with the will of God.

  90. #315468
    On May 8th, 2008 at 2:10 pm, sambo said:

    dakine said:
    I think Chris Hitchens said it best: “Religion poisons everything”. I would add that some religions poison more severely than others. Islam is a poison that kills (arsenic maybe), while Buddhism or Bahai (sp?) merely makes one sort of slightly nauseous. Christianity is somewhere in between.

    Your right dakine…atheism has done so much good in the world. It has kept people from starving in N. Korea, China, and Russia…by killing them.

  91. #315469
    On May 8th, 2008 at 2:10 pm, abstractmind said:

    On May 8th, 2008 at 2:05 pm, dakine said:

    As a student of eastern thought, you’re going to have to seriously come up with something that shows that effect.

    Because for some reason, monks chanting about peace and non-violence, for some reason, dont seem to make me sick. And for the left, who are all anti-war…you’d think that peaceful monks chanting would be music to their ears.

  92. #315476
    On May 8th, 2008 at 2:20 pm, secondsight said:

    Gotta feel sorry for them; their women are so ugly they have to wear bags.

  93. #315478
    On May 8th, 2008 at 2:28 pm, supersean said:

    In response to #127

    “Typical lib… wants sensor everything they don’t like!”

    I thing censorship of those who call for mass extermination via a WMD is appropriate and not a liberal position.

    BTW my position on this issue is guided by my Catholic faith one not a political one.

  94. #315479
    On May 8th, 2008 at 2:31 pm, dakine said:

    abstractmind, I hear ya. I was stretching to make the analogy and play off of Hitch’s book.

    sambo, your logic is faulty my man, but I’m not motivated enough to get that discussion started.

    secondsight, you need to get out more.

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