Video: Another campus pro-life memorial vandalized
It has happened again. In January 2006, pro-abortion thugs destroyed a pro-life memorial of wooden crosses at Louisiana State University. In April 2006, a nutball feminist professor at Northern Kentucky University led another destructive raid on a pro-life Cementery of Innocents. And this week, at the University of Wisconsin-Stevens Point, pro-abortion vandals struck–pulling up hundreds of crosses from a display sponsored by Pointers for Life. College Republican Ryan Wrasse sent me a video of one of the pro-abortion thugs gone wild– a student government senator named Roderick King:
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I don’t understand why they are so upset - abortion is okay, it’s not a baby, but a clump of cells. Let those stupid pro-lifers plant their crosses as a tribute to those clumped up cells. They should be laughing. Why the vandalism? What’s the matter?
/sarc
Ugh, I hated those protests on my quad. They’d always wait until Spring when people wanted to play baseball and frisbee.
Of course, none of us pulled a Roderick King.
A little preemptive strike…
I want to see which person we have, that’s labeled as a troll, who will denounce this.
Peaceful protests by pro-life supporters.
Angry, destructive response by pro choicers.
Looks like its ok for them to choose things, except, ya know…free speech for dissenting opinions.
So, lgm…where are you at here?
Rusty said:
All those crosses getting in the way of your good time. Just like all those inconvenient babies getting in the way of other people’s good times. Those inconsiderate fetuses!
It isn’t all about you…
“do not, dot not put this in front of us”
WOW. So, we have to tolerate babies being killed in the most horrific ways imaginable - shoved in our faces and down our throats but crosses on a lawn are bad.
I am so glad I err on the side of babies.
You call Rusty on this, but maybe the people putting up the ‘Cemetery for the Innocents’ should’ve had that thought too, and considered other students.
Just sayin’ this sort of thing wouldn’t have lasted 5 minutes in springtime when I went to school. Not when there’s frisbee and flag football to play. Students wanting to use the lawn probably wouldn’t have even bothered to notice what the crosses were for.
My latest grandbaby was born, just two months ago at 26 weeks gestation. He is still in the NICU but to see him fight so hard for his life and go through what he has gone through to live! It’s humbling and it’s incredible and to know some would tear him limb from limb in the womb so they wouldn’t have to be bothered because he doesn’t fit into their plans…
when we destroy and kill our own young….what hope do we have as a society?
I actualy would have left the crosses where they laid…
And put up a second sign about how the Abortion movement does not want you to hear the Pro Life messege.
And how, if life begins at conception, then the crosses on the ground denote what the abortion providers think of those souls…
It’s irritating as usual how these people feel that their freedom of speech includes interrupting/cutting-off others’ speech and protest.
I can’t wait until we get to examine the Democrat nominee’s abortion stance, Obama’s is absolutely inhuman.
It’s easy to understand how these students came to the conclusion that it’s okay to kill babies. They grew up with the daily assurance that it was all right to have sex without worrying about the consequences. As a matter of fact, there were no consequences, there were only inconveniences, or as Senator Obama calls them, burdens.
Wow. The act of pulling up those crosses and flinging them around is a pretty good metaphor if you ask me.
Strange how liberals feel THEY are the only ones with freedom of speech and expression. And, how they feel their freedoms ALWAYS supercede everyone elses freedoms.
MissCheryl,
I’ll keep your grandson in my prayers. To answer the question you posed, we’ll have:
Self-involved kids who could careless about the field of crosses before them and nary a question as to why they are there.
If the crosses represented each person that died of AIDS, would he be pulling them down? Hmmm, Roderick?
Typical Liberal Hypocrisy…. I really should trademark that since I have to use it so often to describe liberal behavior. The “do as I say and not as I do” mentality of the left is getting old quick.
I don’t even need to ask the question but since our liberal friends are so far removed from rational thought here goes…. What if this had been a pro-choice display with the same space of grass reserved for signs promoting Planned Parenthood and other pro-choice slogans? What if some nut ran through those pro-choice signs uprooting them and slashing them and acting like a total out of control freak?
Yeah… it would be front page news, the kid would have been arrested for a hate crime, and sued by PP and the ACLU.
Like I said, Typical Liberal Hypocrisy.
So destructive behavior is now covered by Freedom of Speech? He can stand out there and give free(thinking?) speeches all day long but his rights stop at the point just before they infringe on somebody else’s rights.
Oh wait, I was thinking we still lived in a Nation of Laws.
My bad! Proceed with the destruction of someone else’s display simply because you do not like the message! Now where did you put that jar of urine and the crucifix? I want to go express my “freedom of speech” as well.
What did Mommy do to this boy. Oh, he is so offended. Get a life and become the heterosexual God made you.
Obviously, some of you did, and do.
They must find fleeting strength through sick and cowardly actions.
Someone should perform a “late-term” abortion on Roderick King.
30 pieces - thanks for your prayers!
I am tired of these destructive forces trying to kill everything we hold dear in this country. Me thinks we have sat back long enough. I for one have had enough!
I don think I ever met any kids who WEREN’T self-involved when I was in college. . .liberal OR conservative.
If you think it is bad now wait until you see what happens if a Democrat is put in the Whitehouse. The gloves will come off then, these people on the far left are just waiting for the chance to start attacking more mainstream, big conservative events and use force to stop them.
These guys are going to be satisfied with nothing less than the outlawing of conservatives.
A few meatheads does not dissuade those of conviction. Let the malcontents do their worst. It only shows them for them for what they are: cretins.
This thread is really about the crosses and what they represent - I could careless who was responsible for uprooting them. This isn’t appropriate behavior and I don’t condone it.
Yashmak said:
Yes, I’m sure people setting up pro-life displays are reeeaaalllly thinking “Heh-heh, I bet a bunch of kids will want to play frisbee here. Let’s make a pro-life display just to thwart those frisbee lovers!”
Yashmak said:
When a kid runs out into the street, do you run them over since, after all, you’re not gonna let them make you late for work?
Do you shove people out of the way, rather than waiting in line?
Seriously, just because you find other people inconvenient or in the way, that doesn’t give you the right to do what you will.
And the Ironic thing is all these Pro-abortion types like to call Soldiers baby killers….
On May 7th, 2008 at 10:38 am, madchef said:
Right. Because that would a measured response to childish vandalism.
The guy’s irrational hatred of pro-life messages and people (which he justifies with his supposed concern for the feelings of women who have had/will have abortions) is pathologically self-centered, and immature, but not a hanging offense.
I wasn’t aware that the First Amendment contained a clause granting us freedom from offense or “feeling bad” for our choices. Must be from the living, breathing version.
Why is the, ahem, gentleman so distressed about the crosses in the grass? Is it because they represent the dead children, or is it because they are a Christian symbol? Would he have pulled them all out & thrown them down if they were U.S. flags?
Anyway, he has a very irritating voice. Sounds like he is about to cry. Can he summon tears for the dead? Or is he ready to cry because, dang it, he’s just so peeved at the sticks in the ground?
I know…that is a problem… Partial birth abortion will be back on the books…
I do like Obama, but his 100% pro-abortion stance is a problem for me.
Wasn’t there an ‘art’ display in Maine about walking on the American Flag recently? When the Vietnam War veteran objected to it and started picking up the flags off of the floor, he was confronted and told not to mess with the piece.
I don’t understand why this guy gets to be a vandal because he errantly believes that abortion is a constitutional right. It must have done its job if it upsets him. Every abortion is another life ended. Each one of those crosses he touches could be another Einstein but we’ll never know because we killed them.
The left loves free speech as long as it talks about how bad America is. Anything they disagree with is not considered ‘free speech’.
Typically, if a lib can’t win on the facts, they devolve to ad hominem attacks, smear and vandalism (kind of like lgm’s posts).
The ironic thing about it is that the abortion enthusiasts are killing little potential abortion enthusiasts (given their likely upbringing if they weren’t discarded like a fingernail). The pro life people will outnumber them simply on birth.
Another reason why the libs have to dominate academia…
30 posts, and no troll denouncement.
Still waiting.
Im so sorry these crosses offended those who want abortion on demand. Jeez were so heartless for forcing others to see the cross & maybe feel bad about a bad “choice”
Why so close minded libs? Dont we have freedom to think as well. Oh wait its libs way or to heck w/ us…. nice soo “free thinking” for a moron
What exactly is the true travesty Mr. King? The fact that a pro-life group would build this display or the meaning of the display? Would you be just as offended that your “student dollars” go for the play “Vagina Monoluoges”? Or how about other programs dealing with pornography? Would you be just as outraged and stage a similar “protest”?
Uhg! What a moron!
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I’ll gladly add my prayers. I have twin sibs who were born premature in 1963 and they turned out just fine.
I’m glad Mom and Dad were pro-lifers when they had me. Just sayin.’
I may shock people by saying this, but I have nothing against abortion and even find an advantage to it. If you look at the demographics of the people who have abortions, their (remaining) children often grow up to be criminals, drug addicts, and a burden to society. I see abortion as a way of getting rid of future undesirables. Sorry but that’s the way I see it.
JohnnyD - thanks for the encouragement re: your siblings. I have hope this little guy grows up to be a major pain for his older brothers! God’s grace is sufficient and all prayers are needed and appreciated! thanks again.
I will continue to fight for all of our babies rights to live. With free birth control in this country and the desire by couples to adopt, abortion should not even be an issue…it’s just irresponsible behavior begetting more irresponsible behavior.
Dimsdale said: (34)
Who has been glaringly absent thusfar probably because there is just no way to spin this.
Honestly, I can’t say I blame you for your viewpoint. Personally, I would like to deal with the undesirables we already have, but…
It’s hard for me to take a stance on this, for personal reasons, without being hypocritical.
I would, in total, however, state that while I don’t specifically choose a side, that I cannot disagree with people who choose not to participate in the wholesale slaughter of innocent children. Doesn’t mean i’m signing up with the pro-life people…but i prefer their view rather than the contrary.
You should look up the definition of Eugenics, you might just find your picture next to it.
I’m glad my parents were pro-choice when they had me and my brothers.
This is both shocking and untrue. Abortion cuts across all demographics. People have never been able to find a link between abortion and future decreases in crime. A wealthy person or a person from a wealthy family is just as likely to have an abortion as a person who can’t afford to have children.
Antaradus, what you’re advocating is eugenics. You’re an anti-choice fantasy. Someone who supports abortion for evil reasons when you have no idea what you’re talking about. People like you are few and far between, but you do a great job of hurting the pro-choice movement.
You know what this display needs to make it complete? A monitor showing this video displaying the senator in action.
1) Liberalism is a mental disease. QED.
2) Abortion is the favorite pasttime of liberals.
3) Where’s the downside?
They should have told Mr. King that it was a protest against the war in Iraq.
Problem solved.
Or, picked up a handful of the crosses he uprooted and beaten him senseless. Either way.
They are using crosses to support thier faith as much as they are denouncing abortion.
If they wanted to denounce abortion we’d see a lawn filled with dolls of newborn babies.
Where’s the Star of David?Jews don’t get abortions?
JLP
May I suggest Pedimore, it was the narrow experience of those placing the crosses..they are familiar with crosses on graves…not the Star of David, ie, they aren’t Jewish. By all means any baby is precious and I’m sure those who did this feel that way.
Odd… Going 180 from your previous posts to “slightly” agreeing with Eugenics is a bit revealing.
Crosses are used to symbolize many things. Typically when you see crosses arranged in this pattern, one would think - cemetery.
These babies they are representing - do not get to be born…
JLP, my school had a pretty large Jewish population. The anti-abortion protests there used little white flags instead of crosses. Definitely more inclusive, but maybe Wisconsin-Stevens Point has a large Christian population.
No I am not. I am simply stating that I can see an advantage to the current legal situation we have here:
a) abortion is legal
b) people who don’t want their children would in all likelihood raise them to relatively poor standards: neglect can more easily lead to crime than a good upbringing.
c) if they want to abort their own unwanted future criminals, let them. It’ll cost society a lot less in the long run.
So I’m not advocating eugenics. I’m being pragmatic.
Maybe just architectural laziness?
WHA? You were a 50/50 decision instead of a 100% decision? At times I think you are smater than the average person until you come up with something like this. Reminds me of the old “unwanted child” thingy you tried on us. UGH
In the beginning he rants about how SCOTUS ruled in Roe v. Wade and how the ant-abortion students need to accept it, First Amendment be dammed. Somehow I doubt he is the same way when it comes to issues he disagrees with. I doubt he accepts that congress passed the authorization to go into Iraq and since congress said it HE will just shut up.
Liberal hypocrisy, free speech when I agree with you otherwise i will try to stop it.
I see Rusty talking, what I don’t see is him denouncing the student’s actions as vandalism and impinging on the freedom of speech of others. Could it be that his personal views on the topic cloud his ability to see reason and the rule of law? Noooo, can’t be?!?
But what if the child they are aborting would have become the scientist that cured cancer and AIDS?
What if that child had grown up to be the diplomat that resolved the crisis in the Middle East?
What if the child grew up to be the parent of a family that got out of the poverty and depression they were in.
You are pre-judging the child as a criminal for the sake of convenience.
Eugenics is what Margaret Sanger was after when she founded Planned Parenthood, and you are echoing her ideals.
Deal with it!
No, my brothers and I were a 100% decision. I am glad I was a 100% decision instead of something forced upon my family.
Of course I don’t condone what King did. If something is obviously wrong and/or stupid, why am I in the position where I have to state the obvious or else it is presumed I support vandalism?
I mentioned that my friends and I never diddled with the anti-choice protests on our quad. King behaved immaturely and did something I would never support. I feel like my statements on free speech in these threads has made it clear that I’m pretty consistent on these matters.
Quite the contrary. I dont agree with his point of view at all. I’m just saying I can understand his point of view based on my own experience.
To be direct, I was with a woman before that had an abortion with a child I fathered. We were young, poor, and not in a position to have a child, but…i wanted to keep it anyway. She didn’t. Said it was “undesirable and inconvenient”. I hated her for it, and our relationship didn’t last long afterwards. Hence, I try to not really choose a side, because even though I protested her actions, I was the one who ended up paying for it to be done because I could not sway her otherwise. It instills in me a lack of pride and leaves a sense of guilt (that while it doesnt eat me alive), is something I must contend with for the remainder of my days.
His posting previously is his personal thought. And I can understand the point of view, to a small degree. But don’t confuse understanding for acceptance. I do NOT agree with abortion. But, because I personally feel that I’m guilty of something on those lines, I cannot condemn others who feel the opposite of myself. Maybe thats jacked up…but the burden I bear is too. And it’s sad, because I make cute kids too (slight attempt at humor to lighten a somber subject)!
And dealing with the undesirables we have is more of a dig at taking care of current social problems, as well as removing some of the trolls here
I apologize if I wasn’t clear. This is a tougher subject for me. Hope that clears it up just a bit. If it doesnt make sense…well, sorry for that too.
I’ll add my prayers as well.
Our 2nd child was a premie as well… born 2 1/2 months premature and weighed 2 lbs 10 3/4 oz. She dropped down to 2 lbs 1 1/4 oz before finally gaining weight. You could hold her in one hand. This past weekend, she went to her first prom and is doing very well.
The saddest part about being in the NICU was that about half were crack babies and were continually shaking, going through withdrawal.
It’s hard to look at a premie and conceive of how some people consider it “just a lump of unwanted cells”. Very, very sad…
I will keep your grandbaby and families in our prayers.
Vandalism of this kind is just another demonstration of the “Fairness Doctrine:” anti-abortionists offer their point of view, then pro-abortionists “express” themselves in return.
But hey, at least the anti-lifers are intellectually consistent:
- They destroy life; they destroy exhibits in support of life.
- Unborn children “inconvenience” them; so do lawn displays that might interfere with their fun. So they destroy both.
Exactly. What makes the Left in this country so dangerous is that they are “in” a free society, but not “of” it. So they see nothing wrong with re-interpreting our foundational principles in ways that either turn them upside down or gut them:
- The “right to life” becomes subordinate to “the pursuit of happiness.”
- Freedom of speech becomes entirely dependent on whether they agree with what’s being said.
- Freedom of religion becomes freedom from religion.
- The Second Amendment becomes a means for disarming the citizenry and concentrating firepower solely in the hands of the government.
- Habeas Corpus becomes a means of shielding, aiding and abetting our foreign enemies.
- The Fourteenth Amendment becomes a springboard for reverse-racism, reverse-sexism and reverse discrimination.
It’s the kind of thinking and behavior above which is why any time the Left gains a lock on power the result is typically mass repression, mass imprisonment and mass murder. The American Left is no different in this regard; what holds them back is only the residual consciousness of most Americans in the idea that this is a society based on the rule of law, plus the fact that the military still swears its oath to the Constitution instead of to whomever occupies the White House and the citizenry is still armed.
But they’ll keep boring away at the social fabric until the whole thing falls apart; then what David Horowitz calls “The Revolutionary Ideal” can move in to fill the void. Deep down, this is what excites so many leftists about the prospect of an Obama presidency. He’s one of their own, and can move up their timetable considerably.
WOW! It doesn’t get any - I don’t want to take responsibility for my personal responsibility, than that…
Oh, please. My wife was supposed to have an abortion. Becky was going be born with a gapping hole in her spine. Guess what was being forced on her. ABORTION. Every day she had to hear it from friends and family. The Doctors and nurses were cruel to my wife for “bringing something into the world that would not survive anyway”. She was “wrong to bring this child into the world”. My wife suffered like you will never know. The only option be given her was ABORTION. My wife kept praying for her baby. She never gave up.
Today, Becky is a beautiful young lady who has given us our first grandbaby.
I know, we were punished with children. I am glad your parents were not “forced” to have you. Forced – geezzzz – get real. She would have loved you less?
Speaking of forced births, have you ever visited China? PLEASE!
I pray for Roderick and all the other liberals whose minds are polluted w/ hate and anger.
Good point about the crosses being for AIDS victims.
Freedom of Speech - too bad those murdered babies will never be able to confront Roderick.
-Trollman
Are you really equating small wooden crosses with children running around in a street? Seriously?
For the record, I’m against abortion personally. But I’d prefer the federal government not legislate one way or the other on the matter. It should be a matter for the individual states to decide.
Personally, I’d just as soon those who are in favor of abortion NOT have children.
“Since it’s a right, you don’t have the right to challenge it.”
Wow. Just wow.
I always thought that we could, using our freedom of speech and assembly, challenge the prevailing notions of the land, and change the constitution.
I wonder if he believes in the concept of the constitution as a “living document,” in which case, we bloody well have a right to challenge it, since it can be reinterpreted by the courts at any time.
This is what our children are taught.
Killing babies good.
Killing terrorists bad.
Jesus Obama doesn’t want his daughters …..”PUNISHED WITH A BABY”.
And he is the lefts hero.
I’m the adoptive father of two children with special needs (the second one we KNEW had special needs..). Trust me, I’m spending LOTS of MY money to ensure they get the specialists/support/etc that they need.
By spending MY money, it ensures I never get a bigger house, nicer car, all the “stuff” that defines the American dream…so be it. “Stuff” never mattered much - particularly when you’re six feet under.
ej_pez #15
Exellent point about the crosses being praised if they represented AIDS deaths. Roderick displayed true hypocrisy of most liberals. Freedom of Speech for us and NOT opposing views. They resort to violent when faced w/ an opposing opinion which makes sense. I heard the security guard say the conservative group had permission. Roderick did not care. Typical!!!
- libocrat
You teach your children that killing babies is good?
The American Taliban strikes again. This is exactly why liberals and islamists are on the same side. They think alike, they act alike, they are alike. I hope we can someday arrange a meeting between the two groups, hotdogs, get your hotdogs here! What do you suppose the outcome will be when the Dr. Frankenstein’s and Nurse Ratchet’s finally meet their maker?
I’m against murder. I AM in favor of the federal government having laws against murder. The LEFT believes that killing babies isn’t murder. The LEFT is wrong.
I guess all those people that fear having babies forced upon them should stop letting society force them to have sex in the first place.
And please, no red herring arguements about rape or incest. Those account for a very small percent and number of abortion seekers. Most abortion seekers are actually seeking after-the-fact birth control.
And in case anyone is wondering, I blame the sperm-donors at least as much as the abortion seekers for their predicament.
No Yashak, my children don’t attend UNION run public schools.
My children believe in God.
SHOWARD, the “sperm donor” isn’t given CHOICE in the matter. His child is murdered with or without his permission.
There is only ONE solution to the abortion culture. Morality.
Yashmak said:
This is what we call a straw man.
I wasn’t comparing wooden crosses to children, I was comparing people’s selfish disregard for others, as clearly seen in my last sentence:
As much as I hate to say it, I think I would have had to take a page from the left’s playbook and educate this idiot on the proper form of an open-field tackle… you know, as an expression of free speech rebutting (headbutting?) his arguments.
Unfortunately, until we are willing to stand up and show people like this that we will not stand for this intolerant disrespect, they are going to increase their intolerance and continue to push those around who disagree with them, but are too timid to fight back.
The end of these types of fights will not be ideological, I’m afraid…
An excellent point, libocrat.
What if the “sperm-donor” actually wants to be a father and accept the responsibility?
If he learns of his companion’s condition, must he sit quietly as she chooses abortion?
Since 1977, there have been over 59,000 acts of violence at U.S. abortion clinics, including 7 murders, 41 bombings, 343 death threats, and 942 acts of vandalism.
Pro-Choicers have a lot of catching up to do!
TOS, you equate 59,000 “acts of violence” and 7 murders, etc., etc. with the millions of aborted babies by saying that you have a lot of catching up to do? Are you serious?!
Wouldn’t your logic point out to you that it should be Pro-lifers that have the catching up to do. Might want to review that math, sport.
TOS,
Hardly, Chief.
http://www.cbrinfo.org/Resources/fastfacts.html
I believe the number of abortions they have there is:
F O U R T Y S I X M I L L I O N
take whatever span of time you want, by your count, I dont think it’s the pro-choicers that have any catching up to do.
What an ignorant thing to say. OOOOHHHHH, there have been 942 acts of vandalism in the last 30 years or so…how does that compare with killing children?
Done with you.
So are you condoning those acts of violence?
So (assuming your figures are even true) 7+41+343+942=1333, so where are the other “acts of violence” you speak of?
And you think death threats are an act of violence, the kind Conservative bloggers get every day?
But thanks for your content that because one said perpetrates violence, it is OK for the other to do the same… “catch up”, as you put it!
TOS,
This is just in Canada and only five short yrs ago.
Who here has advocated the bombing of abortion clinics? Can you say red herring? Pathetic attempt at a debate.
The other side, since 1977, the “Pro Choice” movement has murdered over 3 million, and counting. That’s a benchmark no one should aspire to match.
Beyond that, did the asshat in the video actually say that they “don’t have a right” to protest abortion? He’s apparently unaware of the explicit First Amendment… as opposed to the invented “right to abortion” which was fabricated via Roe v. Wade.
You introduced abortion clinic bombings into the discussion. Take your red herring and SCAT!
That’s not what this thread is about.
No more than you are condoning yours… However, you brought up the examples for comparison. Clearly, the Pro-life position does not condone any murders related to this abortion debate. There are extremists on both sides, but my guess is that 7 murderers against abortion, and to use “abstract’s” count, 46 million for?
To borrow another phrase… Done with you. Facts and logic obviously escape you.
Pro-lifers have repeatedly denounced violence against abortion clinics/doctors and applaud the justice system putting them where they belong. Your side on the other hand (with the rare few exceptions like Rusty) do not denounce violence against pro-lifers.
I repeat, if the situation had been reversed it would be front page news, arrests would have been made, and lawsuits filed.
Where is the left denouncing this vandalism and squashing of free speech? Where are the arrests?
T.L.H.
How many abortions since 1977? Were these gentle abortions or ‘violent’? In the number of abortions since 1977, I wonder how many of the fetuses killed would consider it murder?
Liberals have to have the abortion option otherwise none of them would know who their real daddy is what with them sleeping with each others wives and girlfriends. Can you imagine the confusion that would cause? Hey maybe that’s why they each others keepers after all you never know who’s related and who isn’t. That might explain why liberal women in most cases are so butt ugly and stupid, inbreeding.
TOS,
At least “we” don’t pull them apart limb from limb or drive a sharp instrument into the back of their head and suck their brains out or inject saline into them and burn them to death or use a suction device and pull them into little pieces or…
Gee, I see you point. SHEESH
Fact: Abortion is not going away. You can make it illegal again, but it will not go away.
Fact: Legalizing abortion has made it much safer.
Fact: Legalized abortion has been the single greatest reducer of crime in the U.S.
Fact: Legalized abortion is actually helping to reduce the number of abortions.
Considering that those fetuses weren’t viable, had no lungs, brains, genitalia, and in some cases were nothing more than clumps of cells, I’d say that those fetuses wouldn’t consider abortion anything.
Really? That’s the best you got? Calling our women ugly? What a stupid, low-brow ad hominem attack. It doesn’t even make sense.
I worked the ultrasound while the doctor performed the abortion,” wrote Joan Appleton, the former head nurse of an abortion clinic who now serves as Director of Centurians at Pro-Life Action Ministries. “I was able to see the baby open his mouth . . . to scream . . . try to move away from the . . . suction tube . . . used to tear the limbs from the torso . . . the baby was fighting for his life.”
Fitting the tiny parts together again, to assure none remained in the uterus and caused infection, further sickened Appleton. After she had helped with 10,000 abortions, she states, “The guilt and shame became a burden I could not endure.”
Now, she’s using her experiences to help others find their way out of the abortion industry and to help save babies who would have otherwise been aborted…
She counts 22 abortion providers who have resigned from abortion clinics and are finding financial, emotional and spiritual help in moving into a new, productive life.
One in 30 babies aborted because of severe handicaps survives, according to a new study in Great Britain.
Um.
That is 100% fiction. Man, you are not helping your cause.
Facts require sources. Yours sound like sound bite opinions…(typical of an empty, or liberal argument). Just because you type “Fact:” before an opinion, doesn’t make it so.
See, I told you logic escaped you (again)!
Proof. Please?
What kind of circular logic is this? TOS, you’re not worthy.
Joan Appleton is very likely full of crap. You’d think that if this “screaming fetus” phenomenon were so common, that we’d have heard of it from some non-partisan sources, hmm?
I wasn’t talking to you little girl.
Like Russ, I too am an adoptive father. Four of my 13 are adopted, and all four of them have special needs, plus one of my natural-born sons. It’s not cheap, believe me. But it is worth every penny, second, and bit of aggravation.
Down Syndrome, premature birth, dislocated hips, kidney infections, autism, and varying degrees of separation anxiety and attachment disorders.
I’ll take them. They’re not inconvenient. They’re not “choices.” they’re children.
Rusty, if you wish to approach this with your head in the sand. Be my guest. And good luck with the search to find the evidence that’s suitable to you.
Roderick King’s right NOT to SEE a protest is tantamount to an atheist’s right NOT to HEAR about God.
If I was that hyper-sensitive and insecure about my beliefs, I’d abort myself.
Rusty,
You had us at “100% fiction”.
“100% fiction”
Sad, but true. But it doesn’t mean I am going to sit back and let murder and rape become legal either just because some people are going to do it.
If by safer you mean less women die while trying to murder their own child…
Never seen one legit study ever claim this, statistics and links please on your wild Eugenics-based claims?
Wrong again, it is being used as another form of after-the-fact birth control. Stats and links from a legit and verifiable source please?
LOL TMoney!
I think its nice to see rusty refute TOS on this. Giving credit where its due.
I think most of his post was garbage. Glad to see i wasnt the only one who thought so.
30, at the end of the first trimester, when most abortions occur, the fetus most likely doesn’t even have skin yet. There is no heart beat yet. The brain hasn’t developed. There are no lungs. Any google search of non-partisan scientific sources will confirm this.
And fetal pain is something anti-abortion people have made up to drum up sympathy.
…Which is why I think Joan Appleton is full of crap.
Please give me the rate of complications resulting from first trimester abortions. This rate is available for all medical procedures performed in the United States.
Except for Abortion.
If you can’t cite the rate of complications, you can’t make a ridiculous statement like that.
The fact is that no one knows how safe or unsafe abortions really are.
One would think that Mr. King, being black, would be upset at those pushing abortion considering the recent audio recordings involving Planned Parenthood agreeing to direct donations to abort black babies.
One would also think the policeman, security guard, rent-a-cop, whatever, would have busted the guy on the spot for vandalism. Instead, he starts walking away, then appears to speed up as if he noticed the camera.
Admittedly, she did not specify the term when the abortions she participated in occurred; however, that isn’t to say that it negates her claim. Perhaps the abortions she partook of where late term abortions. Either way the approrpriate response isn’t “full of crap.” I choose to believe her.
Here (and you can also use this site as a reference for crime stats)
It logically follows from the research link I provided above. Check here for stats that support it.
Ridiculous statement? Safer, not safe. So you think illegal abortions were safer than today’s legal procedures?
Good point, 30. Late term abortions are a different matter and something I don’t support unless the mother’s health or life is in danger. I am perfectly happy with Justice O’Connor’s viability threshold from Planned Parenthood v. Casey. Anything after viability I have a very big problem with.
On May 7th, 2008 at 1:34 pm, Rusty said:
…Which is why I think
Joan Appletonis Rusty is full of crap.You know what Joan went through? You know what a
fetusbaby that is being pulled apart is going through? Joan is NOT the only former worker who has had this same experience. Are they ALL full of crap?You say the Pro-life makes up “fetal pain” to “drum up sympathy.”?
I submit, the Pro-death people have been working very hard to keep what really happens behind closed doors from the public eye because if people really knew about abortion and how it hurts women (and kills babies in the most vile ways), abortion would die and not babies.
Please don’t call someone who has been there full of crap. That would be akin to me telling you that you are full of crap when you rant about DC while you live there and I have visited once.
Every woman I have ever known that aborted a child had serious mental problems as a result. I have done my best to help some of them but in many cases it is hopeless. That explains the lib mindset I don’t need any so called studies to understand that. When their islamist buddies get a hold of them and theirs they wont have to worry about abortion. As soon as they determine they are pregnant they will cut your head off, yep, call it a really late term abortion if you will. There’s nothing they can do to stop it and I feel sorry for anyone related to these types especially defenseless children. The few decent looking libs wives girlfriends etc. will bring a good price in the infidel brothel though.
TOS,
You have no evidence anecdotal or otherwise that supports your conclusion that legal abortions are “safer” than illegal ones.
Unless someone had a way to keep score before legalization (in states where abortion was illegal), no one really knows for sure.
Saying it is safer now is not a fact. Find some way to support that statement.
Now, are you gonna make me repeat myself again, or are you going to at least try to comprehend what I said?
-libocrat
I assumed as much, actually. Really, I was just poking fun at your wording. This topic seems to erase the normally healthy sense of humor found in most people.
Heh, the best TOS has to offer is two liberal professors “study”. I at least give you props for providing 1 link, I had my money you couldn’t even find 1.
But I think the bio’s of the two authors ought to be enough to see these two’s pre-conceived notions on social issues:
OT - Ok, I won’t defend the ad-hominem attack, but the visuals on that link didn’t help. Just sayin’…
/OT - If someone had stomped all over an AIDS quilt, I doubt you would have made the baseball and frisbee statement in response.
We don’t. It taints everything else - from taxes “for the children” to environmentalism “to save the planet for the children” - that our society is so callous about life.
Not only the lives of the unborn, but those considered “unfit” - the disabled, the elderly. There is often a claim that pro-lifers *only* care about unborn children.
Not true. But the disrespect for life in *all* stages flows from the notion that life does not begin at conception, and that life “ends” when one is no longer “desirable”.
I think that is the most outrageous thing I’ve ever heard you say. By the 9th week after conception, a baby’s nervous system is starting to “kick into gear“. By the 12th week of pregnancy - still the first trimester, mind you - the “baby’s fingers will soon begin to open and close, his toes will curl, his eye muscles will clench, and his mouth will make sucking movements. In fact, if you prod your abdomen, your baby will squirm in response.” A clear sign the nervous system (and, therefore, the ability to detect pain), is present. A 12-week-old unborn child looks distinctly human.
I would highly suggest you watch the film “Silent Scream” (warning: NSFW and NS for those who are sensitive). Then come back and tell me 1) that child was not human and 2) that child did not feel pain.
Pro-abortion folks deny a child - up to the point of birth - cannot feel pain in order to dehumanize the child and justify the evil they perpetuate in the name of “choice”…
I personnaly don’t care if a person decides to end an unborn childs life. We have that choice. Our Maker will judge us based on the decisions we make.
I do mind when some leftwing nutsack decides he is above the Constitution of my United States. Tolerence my ass! These people are nuttier than squirel terds.
EQ, I provided a link from a non-partisan source (the AMA) that states in no uncertain terms that there is no such thing as fetal pain until a few weeks into the third trimester. I’m not saying outrageous.
Things like this are just another example of the extent anti-abortion types will go to make a point. Tgusa, your small sample size means nothing to me. I also know people who have had abortions and are just fine and dandy.
Abortions do not cause mental illness. Abortions do not cause breast cancer. Fetuses do not feel pain. These lies have all been scientifically disproven and it still isn’t enough.
I understand why people are anti-abortion. It’s not like I don’t get it. Just like I get why people are pro-capital punishment and pro-invasion of Iraq. Just because I don’t agree with something doesn’t mean I don’t understand it. But when people start making stuff up or taking anecdotes and turning them into macro-sized facts is when you lose me.
But this is the problem, Rusty. You decide that “anything after viability” is a “problem”.
Well, what if that child is not considered human by some? What if that child is “unwanted” or “unplanned”. The notion that abortion is okay from conception through the first trimester, but that the baby is magically human *after* that point doesn’t hold water.
A child is human, and uniquely so, from the moment of conception. It cannot be classified any other way.
Your assertion that Joan Appleton is “full of crap” is disheartening. She saw what she was doing, realized it was wrong, and changed her point of view.
No doubt if I decided abortion was “okay” and began working at Planned Parenthood - you wouldn’t think I was full of crap. Just that I’d “seen the light”…
Since most of my views meet with Appleton’s, does that make me “full of crap”, too?
It makes me very sad that you think something as horrific as abortion is a right or a necessity, and that you defend it while 3,000 children will be denied the right to live - today. Tomorrow. And the day after that.
A culture that does not embrace life has no future. And we will reap what we sow.
Anyone want’s to play nice stay silent and avoid the truth like we have done for too long now have at it. Ad hominem attack, can you say Rosie? If I had a dog that looked like that I’d shave its butt and teach it to walk backwards. I’m not playing Charlie Brown to their Lucy but anyone who chooses to is fine by me I won’t complain. Am I sometimes mean, damn straight.
#3 rusty said:
True that!! If I had a nickel for every game of lawn jarts those militant homosexuals ruin