Where in the world is Juan Hernandez?
Reader Edgar spots a news article in El Universal about McCain Hispanic outreach advisor Juan “bloc, not a nation” Hernandez. He’s hard at work raising money for McCain, most recently for Cinco de Mayo campaign events. And he must be undoubtedly thrilled, of course, with his friend’s decision to speak to their fellow open-borders radicals at La Raza/The Race.
Here’s the Spanish version of the article:
Amigo de Fox pide dinero para McCain
Amigo de Fox pide dinero para McCain
Juan Hernández, un antiguo miembro de la administración del presidente Vicente Fox, dedica la mayor parte de su tiempo a recaudar fondos para la campaña presidencial del virtual candidato del Partido Republicano de Estados Unidos, John McCain
J. Jaime Hernández
El Universal
Martes 06 de mayo de 2008WASHINGTON.— Juan Hernández, un antiguo miembro de la administración del presidente Vicente Fox, dedica la mayor parte de su tiempo a recaudar fondos para la campaña presidencial del virtual candidato del Partido Republicano de Estados Unidos, John McCain.
Hernández, vinculado a los Amigos de Fox —estrategia por la que empresarios hicieron llegar recursos irregulares a la campaña de Fox—, sirve como asesor de asuntos hispanos de McCain.
Desde el correo electrónico de un bufete de abogados en Texas, quien fuera director de la Oficina Presidencial para Mexicanos en el Exterior del foxismo invitó a celebrar las fiestas del 5 de Mayo con McCain, en Arlington, Virginia.
En la invitación se anexa un formato de aportación de fondos, en el que se piden sumas que van desde mil hasta 9 mil 200 dólares por pareja.
Hernández mantiene un bajo perfil para no desatar la ira de conservadores que ven en él a un hombre de “lealtades divididas”, por su doble nacionalidad y su defensa de los inmigrantes en EU.
Edgar’s translation:
WASHINGTON.— Juan Hernández, an old member of the administration of president Vicente Fox, dedicates most of his time collecting funds for the presidential campaign of the candidate of the Republican Party, John McCain.
Hernández, linked to “Friends of Fox”—strategy in which businessmen sent irregular donations to the Fox campaign —, serves as the advisor in Hispanic matters of McCain.
From an e-mail of a law firm in Texas, the former director of the Presidential Office for Mexicans abroad during Fox’s presidency, invited to celebrate the Cinco de Mayo festivals with John McCain, in Arlington, Virginia.
In the invitation a funds contribution format was enclosed, in which sums were asked that went from a thousand to 9 thousand 200 dollars per couple.
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Translation: McCain’s suck up to La Raza
July 14, 2008 12:04 PM by Michelle Malkin
No way in hell will I ever vote for Juan McCain.
Where?
Oh that’s easy. He’s busy helping little old Mexican ladies across the Border into the US..
~Dan Lee
“My friend…”
Can we
denydistinguish by saying Obama buying off the Teamsters is unethical, but McCain pandering to theopen-borders crowd is merely tacky, a sad but necessary humiliation in poliotical life?Pretty please?
Hmm, I don’t know anyone missing their goat?
The typo poliotical is a historic moment, forever changing the American political vocabulary like the accidental discovery of penicillin.
Here’s someone you can get behind:
http://www.bobbarr.org/
McCain elected = U.S. quite screwed
Hillary elected = U.S. more thorough screwing
Obama elected = KY/Prep-H, & Spanish language instructional CD sales skyrocket across U.S…
Wasn’t he the coffee bean picker?
If Juan shows up within 800 meters of here….Rule .308 will be applied.
I’m afraid that I will live to see the day The United States of North America, (formerly Canada, US, & Mexico), is formed. And I bet it will be on Cinco De Mayo.
Who’s going to take the Hispanic vote?
Barry O’bama? McCain’s gotta scoop em’ up. Is it a coincidence that politician and prostitute seem similar in spelling?
It’s up to debate.
Where in the world is Juan Hernandez?
Carmen Sandiego was unavailable for comment. Her associate, Justin Case, was detained for questioning, however
But wait! Isn’t McCain supposed to be reaching out to us?
Well, he is. Via Hernandez.
And by “us”, he means “anyone but the base”.
The slowly boiling pot = the LESSER OF TWO EVILS= election after election after election –this is what we get.
Vote for the issues-only support honorable people — maybe we can retrieve what the Founders intended.
If it does happen it will be over this pissed off veterans cold dead body.
No, that would be Juan Valdez who’s profession is certainly more honorable, productive and useful.
I think I need another cup of coffee.
Where? Helping Carmen across the border into San Diego.
Boomer: hooah!
Right there with ya, man. I’ll bring the ammo and the MREs.
<=== (leaning up against the wall and picking my fingernails)…. uh huh McCain’s the guy.. yep!
Boomer, I got your flank!
Boomer, i’ve got your seis….err, your six!
Sorry, channeling McCain for a minute
Que?
How did McCain get the GOP nomination again?
It’s getting closer…when a strong American steps forward to lead, the way things are going a revolt is inevitable. We the people are losing more and more everyday those elitist bastards are in session.
#22 Bulldogger
I believe it was Democrat crossover voters.
Democrats stuck us with Juan McAmnesty and Repulicans stuck them with Barack HUSSEIN Obama. Thus, we end up with the two WORST candidates.
Actually, that would be preferable to the current invasion, (IMHO).
Juan Valdez? Wasn’t that the drunk coffe picker who spilled his beans onto the Alaskan coast?
I wash wishing you had a report that Juan went back to Mexico (while taking all the illegals with him). Turn off the alarm clock, I’m up now.
Great point Tre # 24
Yeah, WTF happened? One day I am dancing around the bonfire celebrating McCain’s demise and then all of a sudden, he’s our freakin’ nominee-designate?
The last paragraph wasn’t translated above. Babelfish says it means:
“Hernandez maintains a low profile not to untie the wrath of conservatives who see in him a man of ‘divided loyalties’, by their double nationality and its defense of the immigrants in EU.”
I chuckle a bit to see that “5 de Mayo” in Spanish becomes “Cinco de Mayo” in English. It’s May 5th, Edgar.
Mcshame is against waterboarding but he inflicts this kind of torture on us. I’s rather have my fingernails pulled out than to see America go the way of the Aztecs.
Juan just looks plain sinister with that gotee. All he needs is a red suit, horns, and a bifurgated tail. We’re noit going to Hell, it’s coming to us.
Edgar left out the last paragraph so here it is.
Double Nationality! WTHell is wrong here!
I swear that’s Alec Baldwin with a goatee. Have the two of them ever been seen together?
Hey Hernadez, listen up.When in Rome…
How is it that American politicians have no problem betraying American citizens but can never seem to bring themselves to betray Mexico?
The democrat political equation, now being used by John McFraud:
Politician: I want power and a position of prestige, with amazing taxpayer funded perks.
Voter: I want the government to take care of me and my dependents, because by and large I dont want to do it myself.
Politician: All I need to do is give money from the people that carry their own weight, and give it to the people who mostly dont. Then I will get from them the only thing that I care about - their vote- and Ill have the power, prestige, perks and the position I want.
And the cycle goes on and on.
McFraud is sucking up to a consituency (Hispanics)consisting of people that support those who cross our borders illegally hoping for the Hispanic votes that will give him the position of President. He is selling out the soul of the Repub party, and the country itself.
“Betraying” implies a duty. We owe NOTHING to Mexico, which makes this pandering by our politicans to Mexico, and the Hispanic population in the US even more disgusting.
Sr. hernandez embodies everything that is wrong with the mcamnesty platform and candidacy. Anything for a vote, huh, senator mcamnesty.
Sorry MM…referring to Sen. McCain as an “open-borders radical” is ridiculous and intellectually dishonest.
How so? Would it have been better to say “open borders maverick”?
He’s as guilty as the people he’s pandering to on this.
No, McCain will not do anyting for a vote. He has done nothing to get conservatives, except spit on us, and many of us are taking it. McCain will do whatever it takes for illegals’ and democrats’ votes. He will never attack a democrat, but he has no problem attacking republicans like Mitt Romney and even lying about them (as he did with Mitt). Some say McCain is too gentleman-like, but that is not true, he is only that way towards democrats. He has NOOOO problem attacking republicans, especialy conservatives.
Juan & Juan simply respond:
Yesssssssssssssssssssssssss
Millions of people didn’t vote for Tancredo or Hunter…
They’re not the same guy - Alec Baldwin is far less dangerous.
On May 8th, 2008 at 1:33 pm, dakine said:
Sorry MM…referring to Sen. McCain as an “open-borders radical” is ridiculous and intellectually dishonest.
Have you been living under a rock the last 5 years? You, sir, are the one being “intellectually dishonest”. Much like mcamnesty when he kept telling us his amnesty plan was not amnesty. Keep drinking the mcamnesty kool aid. To be fair though, mcamnesty has never said “erase the borders”. He would just rather render them nothing other than a meaningless boundary only to be defended if crossed by a standing army (and even then they wold need to be armed and in battle ready mode). All else is free game.
RE: post #7
Khan, thank you for the inspiration. I’ve been wondering what Bob Barr was doing.
I think conservatives should fund him-he may be the only lever we will have in this election to pry johnny away from Hernandez–the same way GW Bush was compelled to work for long-suffering gun owners back in 2000 and 2004. I believe this to be the case at minimum.
I love it!!
Better yet he won’t pull a Perot and quit the race in midstream.
Hmmmmmmmm….!
Just in case you missed McCain a few days ago on comprehensive immigration reform. Where is the lesson he said he learned about securing the borders first?
The phrase “open borders radical” is not only accurate, but one could argue it is redundant. If you are for “open borders”, you are “radical”, period. So try again.
Hyperbole and demagoguery don’t help the cause. Provide a link supporting your contention that Sen. McCain is an advocate of “open borders”. Like I said, intellectually dishonest.
Here’s a shot of Mc895 in his LaRaza hat and colors
#49:
Weeeell….let’s see:
He has an open borders advocate on his staff as his outreach director. Whoops, I mean a “volunteer”.
He’s attending and speaking at an open borders advocacy group that he’s courting.
He is the co-sponsor of the recent amnesty bill.
Now…you tell me how he isn’t one.
Do actions not speak louder than words when it comes to Senator McCain and the topic of [illegal] immigration?
Is somebody here seriously trying to make the case that because Senator McCain is not on record stating verbatim “I AM AN OPEN BORDERS RADICAL!” that his position and subsequent actions - SUP LAZA HOW R U? - on the US/Mexico border could not be described accurately as such by Michelle?
I had refused to listen to JH in the past and to watch any videos. Now that I have, I’m sure he tried to sell me a used 1978 Chevy Caprice once…
Well, then dakine…i find you’re being intentionally (intellectually) devoid on this. You’ve been here alot longer than I have, and you’ve seen story after story about this. But here’s a few from here, AND a few from outside of here.
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/05/05/mccain-to-speak-at-open-borders-la-raza-the-race-conference/
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/03/28/the-mccain-camp-sticks-with-juan-hernandez-denies-it-torpedoed-immigration-enforcement-bill/
Those are recent. You HAD to have seen them.
Here’s another from a site specific about watching Senior McCain:
http://www.mccainalert.com/
The top of their page, there’s another link:
http://www.grassfire.net/r.asp?U=6823&RID=16048556
Shows him gunning for it there, too.
But, if that’s not enough, how about this:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59567
OK, but thats just evil conservatives right?
How about something from the enemy themselves?
http://www.nclr.org/content/news/detail/2178/
And a quote from his keynote speech recently, from the La Raza site, found here:
http://www.nclr.org/content/news/detail/2649/
That whole speech can be found somewhere, right?
Why would a group that advocates open borders and amnesty give a man an award unless….GASP….he had the same agenda? He’s been in bed with these groups for years, advocating his shamnesty “path to citizenship”. Juan Hernandez being on his payroll should be evidence enough. And I highly doubt they would highlight the fact that McCain is “supporting NCLR’s policy and programmatic initiatives” unless he was peddling the same open border initiatives that they are? Wouldnt that be logical, and not intellectually dishonest?
I can do this all day. There isnt enough time or daylight for me to refute your postings as much as I’d like or as much as I could, dakine. But i’ll count this as a good start. But the only dishonesty we’re getting here is from McCain, La Raza, and you, sir. Somehow, people who support this type of issue, and think its OK for our border to be pourous and for everyone here that’s illegal to not be punished for their crime, i doubt can be bothered by details or truth at this stage.
are you sleep deprived? where you been? are you ok? lol…
Hannity asked Jack Kemp about McCains appearing to flip flop on his “secure the borders first “stance…and Kemp pretty much said what McCain has been saying….we can’t deport em, they are Gods children Yadda Yadda Yadda….YEP The Betrayal is for real and McCain is a LIAR, and a TRAITOR.
All the more reason to NOT vote for the Doddering old fool/LOSER!!!
IF Hillary promised to secure the borders and send them home she would beat em all…She’s too much of a communist to even think of it!
I’ve voted ‘the lesser of two evils’ too many times. McNandez will not get my vote until he picks Hunter, Tancredo or Sheriff Joe as VP.
McCain has been peeling my respect for him for a few years now. However, he has a way to go before reaching the depths of Murtha.
Remember Jack Kemp was Dole’s VP in 1996, and quite honestly threw the fight/debate to Al Gore…it was quite a sell-out then.
Should we expect any better than?
REpublicans have already thrown conservatives under the bus. If McCain wins in 2008, they will run over us back and forth several tmes to make sure we are finished. FRankly, i would rather focus on the Congressional races and do not want McCain to win the presidency. In the long run, he will prove to be a disaster for conservatives. Almost every word that comes out of his mouth is liberal: global warming, oil companies bad, big business making too much money bad, illegals good, American who want to protect their jobs an country bigots, Sam Alito not liked, etc., etc.
Another thing I don’t liek about him, with all the $$ he and his wealthy wife have, why does he not give back his pension so it can go to needy vets? Does he really need those $60K? And why won’t his wife release her tax records? He attacked Mitt Romney repeatedly for being wealthy, which Mitt did no his own, but he won’t show the vast fortune he married into.
No matter how foolish this sounds, my vote is NOT going for any of the sellout crooks running for POTUS (won’t respect myself if I did)!
My vote has only one name written on it: Tom Tancredo!
Yea, laugh all you want….
I’m good aj…thanks for asking though. Interesting how I get called out for asking folks to provide evidence for their demagoguery, while maisy can come on here and call McCain a “traitor”, a “liar” and a “loser” without any pushback. BTW, maisy, you come off like those fools over at DKos who call Bush a fascist when you refer to Clinton as a communist.
Bhishma, it is not foolish at all. You will get attacked for it by people who think themselves wiser than others and who simply are afraid of not voting for Mr. Liberal, yes, open borders, McCain. Support for his open borders: He gives credibility to La Raza, an open borders and REQUONQUISTA group; he says he wants ot be judged by the compnay he keeps and one of these is Juan Hernandez, an admitted open borders man; he has changed his position on border security first just as i knew he would (speech he gave 5/5/08); he claimed if illegals don’t pic lettuce, no one will, i.e., what is wrong with illegals; he is for a “guest worker” program that will in effect continue to disolve our borders by flooding us with low skilled low wages labor while teling American to go to community college and get a better education; he does not support a fence but the unworkable virtual fence; he supports in his amnesty bill giving citizenship to gang members and criminals with no real background check. I can keep going, but from his acts, words, and legislative positions, it is obvious that McCain is an open borders guy, a radical, yes, in my opinion.
Repeat after me; “There is no longer a conservative party.”
Republican has become a slanderous word in my opinion….an insult.
dak, i’m not trying to be obtuse. I didnt slam maisy because she said what not only myself, but many others, are thinking, really. But i did provide sources above, which I think lends some credence to her statements.
where in the world is Juan Hernandez?
he’s doing the color commentary for the Mets.
Oh, sorry, that’s Keith Hernandez.
but as far as McCain is concerned,
no play for Mr. Grey
# 61
“Yea, laugh all you want”
not laughing, just saddened that you would de facto vote for hillbama that way …
abstractmind, thanks for the links…I’ll check them out later today when I have time. Couple of questions in the meantime though:
…how do you define “open borders” when asserting that McCain is an “open borders radical”?
…do you agree with maisy’s opinion that McCain is a “traitor”?
. and for those who fall into the “but the other option is worse.” trap, think again, here is what you got for electing Bush:
- Compean & Ramos: http://ramos-compean.blogspot.com/
- This: http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-10-10-court_N.htm
.. at some point, if not personal integrity and dignity, common sense must prevail over the “but the other option is worse.” trap. Now, remember Tom Tancredo, and weep…
Thanks, RealImmigrantChick
McCain was the #1 sponsor of the bill that would have given IMMEDIATE legal status “Z visas”, renewable in perpetuity, to EVERY ILLEGAL ALIEN in this country, even those who had committed violent felony crimes while here.
if that is not an open borders radical ZEALOT, then I don’t know what more could qualify.
Um…one CANNOT make a serious argument that Bush is a fascist, while one CAN make a serious argument that Clinton is a communist; (though I think she is really a socialist).
I respect McCain’s military service,
but not his political career.
his amnesty bill was certainly traitorous.
what do you call someone who gives preference to illegal foreign invaders over the interests and constitutional rights of American citizens?
I would like Juan and Juan to comment how their policies will address THIS problem:
Take a look at this gallery of mug shots of LA wanted murder suspects.
I hate to judge by appearances, but are illegal alien gangs going wild or what?
Have we imported the criminal drug culture of Mexico City, which led to today’s murder of the federal police chief?
And in San Diego, the Mexican drug cartels may be at the root of the SDSU drug ring.
Juan and Juan - are you paying any attention???
fred, they already answered that. their amnesty bill gave legal status to violent criminal gang member illegals too.
they don’t care what we think. they are the elitist, ivory tower, sovereignty sellouts that we have chronicled.
no problem. i try to cite sources when i’m able.
as far as defining open borders, I would point towards things such as the North American Union as being a prime, and rather sneaky, step towards this very thing. McCain, by his actions and words, seems to support the same view.
For reference, you can view some of it at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Union
To me, doing this would remove borders, and not just the economic ones Fox is quoted as saying in the article. Something else you may wish to read, which puts this all in context is the SPP, on which the NAU is based:
http://www.spp.gov/
I think this at least makes the case for showing open borders. If I can find other information direcly tied to this, I will (but work day calls too, so…)
As far as calling McCain a traitor…
Article 3 of the Constitution describes treason as the following:
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
Perhaps i’m stretching a bit, but here’s at least a rationale for it.
I see illegals as the enemy. They come here, supplant their culture here in lieu of becoming American (and simply stay Mexican living here in America), they break and flaunt our laws, and by the numbers, its estimated that over 10% of Mexico’s population has illegally run across our border (to quote Phil Valentine). I consider those things the action of an enemy, given the crime and other problems they bring with them, as well as the reconquista movement that has been talked about here multiple times.
If McCain is assisting them (providing aid and comfort in their efforts and attempting to legitimize their presence here), then yes, I would have to say its possible to call him that, yes.
If i throw in the 1798 Aliens and Seditions Act (which i believe would apply here too in our example)…it makes the case a little stronger. I believe that letting all of the illegals run amok and having this “path to citizenship” would in fact undermine our goverment, as it would be people who didnt belong here to begin with. Making them legal citizens via amnesty laws dont change the original non-assimilation they practice. And they’re thoughts on our country, along with rallies about opening the borders and basically turning all of this into Amerexico…disturbs me.
Do I believe it would hold up in a court of law. Likely not.
But then again, neither did OJ’s murder trial.
I believe McCain really is assisting people who seek to undo our way of life, destroy our sovreignty, and who care nothing for our culture or our laws. If they did love our country, they would have more respect for our rule of law, and not disregard it.
My 2 cents.
Abstractmind, that was beautiful. And let’s not forget, we Americans are the bigots while illegals are God’s children.
Ever notice how the mcamnesty cheerleaders all show up at the same time on the board? Do they have some notification system down there at mcquack HQ or maybe the GOP HQ that alerts the trolls? “DAMAGE CONTROL Will Robinson. Go to MM blog immediately!!! Our beloved poster boy conservative RINO mccain is being flogged by those crazies who just refuse to see things our way”. Look, put the pom poms down and forget it. I tried to get on board with the rino. But no sooner did I turn my back, I’ll be d*mned if he did not stick a knife in it again by going to address the la raza convention. That was the final knife that pr*ck will put in my back. I am done with mcamnesty. I don’t trust him and I don’t like him. Not now, not ever after the stunts he has pulled. You may be ok with his policies. I am not.
abstractmind,75 Thanks, saved me a lot of time.I could not have done it as good.
thanks real…its always nice to read your posts as well.
At the risk of doing so…i could be offbase. I figure, if nothing else, its my opinion with an attempt to use facts to back it up
i’ll keep trying my best. you keep it up too girl
HERE is intellectually dishonest, deceptive, and cynical: The 2006 version of McCain-Kennedy had a 90-day waiting period for a Z visa - the time allotted to DHS to check backgrounds and health of TWELVE MILLION illegal aliens. McCain changed that to ONE BUSINESS DAY in 2007 for both attempts to pass that abomination of a bill.
Intellectually dishonest?? Try again, tool.
“his amnesty bill was certainly traitorous”
sooooo, by that logic Reagan was a traitor for ‘86 then?
/mds — beyond tiresome …
To my fellow conservatives:
I cannot stomach voting for McFraud. BUT, the next President will likely get to appoint at least one, and maybe 2 new Supreme Court Justices. Since McFraud has at least said he will appoint conservative jurists to the S. Court, it is a chance to have a conservative majority on the High Court for the next 2-3 decades. Considering the mess that the S Ct has made of things for the past 35 years; conservatives cannot miss this opportunity, imho. Do we want 2 more Ruth Bader Ginsburgs or 2 more Judge Roberts? It is with this in mind that I will literally hold my nose when I vote for McFool.
this was a rare misjudgment by Reagan in my opinion…., why would any conservative want to repeat it??
Reagan only signed an amnesty bill at the promise of border security, and it was only for 2 mill or so people. As far as I am aware, that was the first amnesty bill. McCAin’s amnesty bill comes after refusal to enforce the law and secure the border (as mandated by the FIRST amnesty bill) and also comes after the lesson of the first failed “comprehensive” bill. Reagan had no prior warning or precedent, as we do now, that the border will not be secured and only part of the amnesty bill enforced, the part granting amnesty. To compare the 2 is simply disingeneous and ludicrous.
sbw # 83
my point was simply to illustrate the absurdity involved by throwing around the word “traitor” …
and I appreciate your reasoning in #82 — tho I would frame it a lil’ more positively, but then, that’s me …
# 84
“only for 2 mill”
oh, i didn’t realize there was a cap for when this was justifiable — do tell, how many million is said cap?
/eyeroll
Buckaroo:
McCain is your guy and I get that. And I understand it is annoying to a McCain supporter to see him cut up on this board. But a logical and cogent argument can be, and has been made that McCain is a capital M Moderate repub, with seemingly far more democrat propensities than Republican; just to the right of people like Lincoln Chafee, Bloomberg of NYC, Ah-Nold of Cali-fornnnnia, and Olympia Snowe of Maine. His position on immigration is the most galling to conservatives, and on this board he is going to get trashed for it. Most conservatives feel about McCain as most dems feel about Lieberman. Thats just the way it is. I believe “derangement syndromes” are driven by emotion and not fact. McCain’s unpopularity with conservatives I suggest is quite fact driven.
Reagan fell for the democrats promises to absoloutly secure the borders if he would just sign the amnesty bill. then, just as now, they lied!!
Reagan said he was sorry that he did it, that it was a mistake.
You miss the point, Buckaroo. Reagan had no precedent and believed the COMPREHENSIVE approach back then would work to get the border secured. McCain has the hindsight to realize that the COMPREHENSIVE approach 21 years ago DID NOT work to secure the border. Based on his actions, statements and legislative push of a new amnesty, it shows that he could care less if the border is secured. Yes, in my opinion, he is betraying this country and its people, including legal immigrants whose jobs are very much affected by the illegals. I consider him a traitor, not legally perhaps, but one nonetheless.
“I believe “derangement syndromes” are driven by emotion and not fact. McCain’s unpopularity with conservatives I suggest is quite fact driven.”
OK, good point; my rejoinder would be “fact driven, to begin with” and where i’m having the problem is when people are using the [ample] evidence of the guy’s weaknesses to then go and springboard to the emotion-driven exaggerations of “he’s no different than the other 2! he’s a traitor!” etc. etc.
/mebbe i’ll stop using “mds” — but it’s just so much easier to type than “JSM-hatred”
“I consider him a traitor, not legally perhaps, but one nonetheless.”
um, is there another kind?!
Reagan was told by Congress leaders, according to his atty gen Ed Meese, that the employer sanctions would make that amnesty a one time thing, 1/10th the size of the problem now, that would solve the problem.
but, as we all know, the sanctions were never enforced, just like the laws continue to be ignored, so you don’t get fooled twice unless shame on you.
the devil is in the details, the fine print, and the determination to carry out enforcement.
also, the tools in the senate then, like McCain now, were more than willing to sellout the American people while lying about the end result of their bill
Buckaroo, you must be joking, right?
In case you are not joking, from WEbsters: TWO definitions:
1 : one who betrays another’s trust or is false to an obligation or duty
2 : one who commits treason
# 88 TB
“Reagan said he was sorry that he did it”
I’m never come across such a statement from him, & tho I’m certainly willing to beleive that he did say that, i’d really like to see it, ’cause it surely would have been yet another piece of ammo to have used during the great amnesty debate ‘07, but again, i’ve never saw such a quote attributed to him during that time either …
# 94 RIC
see, when you throw that word around re: an elected official, i tend to consider it to be about definition #2 there, that’s all …
“Traitor” is a very strong word. But I would say, (not to presume what other people on this board are thinking), that the word is meant literally by those who use it on this board. Personally…yes, I believe that any politician that enables an illegal (there is NO argument that what border crossers are doing is illegal) invasion of our country over our southern border, is acting treasonous, and is a traitor to what is in the best interest of our Country. I believe that McCain’s policies if he gets to enact them, enable illegal entrance into our country. The best interests of our Country and to its legal citizens to me always comes first. Every other Country’s and every other people’s (non american citizens) best interests do not come into play to me. McCain seems to believe just the opposite; and if he doesnt say that expressly, his policies contradict his words.
also, don’t forget who succeeded Reagan. Bush’s father, who is just as much an illegal alien loving softy as his son is.
that is more reason why enforcement never materialized
Well maybe I was being a bit too strong in callinghim a traitor, since McCain could not have really betrayed conservatives snce he was never one of us. Now if he went against liberals, then he will likely be a real traitor based on the definition. Of course, he is betraying the American people. But maybe his allegance is to a North American Union or even Mexico, so then I guess he can’t be realy betraying people he does not represent, really.
Answer: VOTES, $$$$$.
(applies to ALL politicians, not just conservatives).
“But maybe his allegance is to a North American Union”
I’d like to see any quotes of his that would support that as i’ve not seen any [i mean him explcitly talking about the nau -- i'll spot you that his open-borders crap, sadly, isn't contrary to the concept]
McCain is betraying the people of Arizona, his constituents.
he not only led the fight for the amnesty bill, but he also has been adamantly opposed to EVERY single state proposition that was crafted to crack down on illegal aliens and those who hire them and those who give them public benefits.
thus, he is clearly on the side of the aliens and their corporate buddies. and he is a foe of the people of Arizona, not to mention the rest of us American citizens.
Good lord! Buckaroo is simply obfuscating the issue. “If you can’t provide an exact quote, then he did not say that”. By that logic, the dems have never advocated socialism via larger gov’t and entitlements. He fully understands how mcamnesty has voted in the past. Don’t even bother. He is obviously a mcamnesty staffer troll or a GOP staffer troll. Let’s face facts here folks. The GOP is NOT A PURELY CONSERVATIVE PARTY any longer. They have supported left leaning candidates with an “R” next to their name just to get power. They care more about getting and mainating power than any priciples they once held. There are good GOP elected officials (Tancredo/Hunter/Sessions/ etc). But there are many who are atrocious (mccain/graham/hutchinson/etc). My litmus test is immigration stance. Many dems are better that these guys. Stop arguing with this troll. He is here to discredit and disrupt. End of story.
This issue will possibly erupt into a “states rights” issue. It will only be solved on the local level. I would think that the states could (if they would) secure their own borders. The national guard should be on the border now. MSM has everyone focused on the state of the economy, and not so much on the cause. Indiana has lost 16,000 jobs this year. Deport 16,000 illegals, create 16,000 jobs. Simple.
Buckaroo, can you explain why I should vote for a guy that is in favor of illegal aliens taking over our streets?
This is what a McCain vote will bring us.
Go Ahead and Vote for McAmnesty. You’ll have gangs running all over the place.
Buckaroo,
The only serious difference between McCain and HillBama is that they are different names-like names of different football teams-but result in the same consequences.
A basic rule of economics is that people are not going to buy something that makes them very unhappy after they’ve made an informed decision..why stuff McCain on us?
The three presidential candidates fit neatly on what we econ students call an
indifference curve…no matter who you pick you get the same level of “happiness”
McInsane Lost another one of his voters. This is the type of guy Juan Hernandez wants us to accept. I don’t, do you? Deport them now.
re: #106
oh man…!
And this:
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/05/your_day_in_ill_1.html#comments
“no matter who you pick you get the same level of “happiness””
then you have a pretty hopeless way of measuring happiness if you really beleive that …
i’m not “stuffing” anything, i simply point out [and will continue to do so, no matter how many times i am slandered here] that there is one positive choice to make in the autumn and 2 negative ones — and self-righteous tools incessantly prattling on about making one of the 2 negative ones are acting in a destructive manner …
“He is obviously a mcamnesty staffer troll or a GOP staffer troll”
and you are a LIAR for making that false statement multiple times now — piss off …
I just saw that. Here’s another one.
McCain Supporter
um, isn’t the trite “he’s an ilegal piece of scum so he MUST support JSM” false argument the exact type of faulty reasoning y’all routinely slam the nutroots for?
/screw it — the mds label stays …
Buckaroo, I’m not against McCain, just his policy to let these scum bags become citizens. It’s war here in Los Angeles and his Dumb A$$ doesn’t even get it. And if he’s too stupid to understand that, I don’t want him in the White House. That’s all. Drop Juan Hernandez and his amnesty plan and I’ll hold my nose and vote for him. If now, Screw the loser.
IF NOT, screw the loser.
I just received what I believe was a donation letter from McCain, I get the mail & pass by my trash can on the way into the house..guess what went into the trash with the rest of the junk mail. I can not bring myself to vote McPain, maybe we need to sit this one out or vote for the Dem in protest until Washington offers up a real Conservative. I sure miss the days of being called a Buchanan Isolationist.
Get behind this guy:
http://www.bobbarr2008.com/
If he’s not on the ballot, then vote Libertarian.
Well, Barr was a Republican. I still wish Newt got in.
Re: #114
Buckaroo, you are not being slandered at least by me anyhow…it just seems to me that your method of selection for POTUS is little more than does the candidate have an “R” or a “D” after his/her name… I admit i’ve done the same thing in the past, but I now regret it.
Buckaroo, can you specifically give me hard reasons to vote for McCain that elicit a clearly discernable difference apart from Obama/Clinton?
This is my challenge to you tonight.
So corry to change the subject to more importan stuff, but I just heard that Eddie Arnold died a few hours ago. I was never a big C&W fan but I grew up in the D.C. area, Mel Tillis, Porter Waggoner, Roy Clark (who was born & raised a few block from here) and, yes, Eddie Arnold. To me it wasn’t just C&W music, it was MUSIC - some of the best ever.
I have to go now and weep a little bit.
# 120 l2r
I think this is “reasons to vote for JSM VI” by now [or maybe it's VII, I've lost track]
anywho:
* take a hard line against wasteful spending [like the housing bill from today!]
* win in Iraq, & serve notice to Iran, Syria, NK, and whoever else is stupid enough to threaten us
* keep the military in top shape to be able to accomplish the above
* work towards protection for the unborn
* reinforce that yes, the 2nd amend. really is an individual right
* put judges on the federal bench at all levels that believe in the above, and will simply INTERPRET the laws passed by congress
# 118 k
i tend not to be in the habit of flushing my vote down the toilet …
Sad to say the Republican base has no one to blame but themselves on this. Look at it from the RINO establishment’s point of view: The two candidates who were most for open borders either won or came in second. The wishy-washy candidate (Romney, of course) on border security finished in the middle. And the candidates who were strongest for border security were blown out of the water. Blaming the media won’t cut it. If Republican voters don’t educate themselves (and they didn’t) or signaled they don’t care (which they did), it is hardly the Establishment’s fault that they took the voting results seriously and we are now stuck with John and Juan. Anyone can graph the primary results. Its not that that difficult to draw the obvious conclusion.
And what if the results had been reversed and McCain/Huckabee had been blown away, and Dan Tancredo won solidly? Would we then be sympathetic to open-borders RINOs whining they were the one’s who truly reflected the party’s values? I don’t think so. So the secure borders people lost big time. Maybe in four years . . . whoops, too late.
Note: I don’t like this any more than you do, but the base screwed up and in the process screwed themselves and the country real bad.
RE: 122
Buckaroo
1. have you noticed McCain’s support for the earmark benefitting La Raza?
2. Yes we may be in Iraq for a long time unless we do what we should have done in 2003-go after Syria, Iran, and Iraq….until we take out Iran and Syria militarily we won’t “win” Iraq.
3. Keep military in great shape-either party will spend on military procurement-whether or not it is the best spending is always the question.
4. John McCain who wants to call mexican lawbreakers “God’s children”, has refused to lift other than the middle finger for anti-abortion forces (except during an election year).
Moreover his campaign finance reform efforts did nothing but muzzle conservatives during key races..not exactly looking out for our 1st amendment rights.
5. Yes John will put federal judges on the benches but they will be liberals…take notice of his derision of Justice Alito when Alito was picked by Bush…only now he says he pick more Alitos in an election year.
6. Second amendment…in a post Heller world, many libs will all of a sudden say they too are for the 2nd amendment..but here is the catch Buckaroo…they will pile on as much regulation on people who own or want to buy guns as they can.
Moreover, John McCain wants to re-enact the kind of legislation renewing the 1994 Assault Weapon ban…in which your chosen gun will be declared an “assault weapon” and banned because it has whatever physical characteristic they don’t like from one day to the next.
I could really go on about John McCain and the 2nd Amendment. Gun Owners of America has given john McCain an “F” rating, and the NRA only gave him a “C+”…not good Buckaroo
10 years ago I could say that a good indicator of just how “conservative” a politician was was how consistently they supported the second amendment… atrue conservative candidate would past muster with both the NRA and GOA…if they could pass muster on this right, they understood that Americans has rights across the board, and did not want to get fleeced on government spending.
Now the picture has changed completely.
A politician who does not support the rights of Americans who played by the rules on immigration has no respect for them.
Illegal immigration gives liberal politicians like McCain the opportunity to encourage vote fraud and most chillingly, Buckaroo, the fervent opportunity to replace your vote on issues with those of a fawning army of illegal aliens…this is why the libs of both parties love illegal immigration.
This has the effect of making your participation in the political process null and void.
McCain = makes me sick.
ditto BeenThere
Nobody translated this part. It roughly translates to:
Hernandez mantains a low profile, to not draw the ire of conservatives who see in him a man of “divided loyalties”, because of his dual citizenship and his defense of the immigrants in the US.
Darn right it would draw our ire! It shows how slick and slimy Hernandez is, and did not McCain himself say:
“I’ll rely on people to judge me by the company that I keep.” ? I used to think McCain was some doddering old fool, but no more. Now, he is old, but he seems to be deceptive and have intentions to do things to the country that are bad for us all. If your Latino outreach person (Hernandez) has to stay on the down-low, what is he doing that is wrong? This is what I am judging him by, not sheer emotion, though I have that too.
Oh, and I wonder if Ted Olson makes the cut if JSM get elected… I bet Warren (David Souter?) Ruddman does.
On May 8th, 2008 at 7:17 pm, Buckaroo said:
“He is obviously a mcamnesty staffer troll or a GOP staffer troll”
and you are a LIAR for making that false statement multiple times now — piss off …
Take your pom poms and go away TROLL. BTW, you kiss your boyfriend with that mouth?
I came to the conclusion a long time ago the Democrat party did not speak for me nor did it support the values I hold. Therefore all my life I’ve supported the Republicans. But I’m at that point now with the Republican party. They do not care about the country, and they no longer (if they ever did) support the values I hold dear. Therefore in November I’ll be writing in Mr Magoo on the ballot. If Obama wins so be it.
Because George Allen was hosed by the media because of some stupid made up word that the media turned into a racial slur. That’s how.
What good is McCain’s service, if he turns around and sells the same country?
No matter the past, McCain is a TRAITOR!