How Planned Parenthood celebrates Mother’s Day

By Michelle Malkin  •  May 9, 2008 11:52 AM

Ugh:

With Mother’s Day coming up this weekend, Planned Parenthood, the nation’s largest abortion business, has a message for moms: send us more money. Cecile Richards, the president of Planned Parenthood Federation of America, sent out a fund-raising request this week one pro-life advocate says is grotesque.

Richards honored Mother’s Day by sharing part of an editorial her daughter wrote saying she got her pro-abortion views from her mother and grandmother, former Texas Gov. Ann Richards.

“It’s true that I have had lots of rewarding moments in my career. So did my mother,” Cecile wrote in the email LifeNews.com obtained. “But knowing that my daughter is carrying on the legacy of fighting that my mother passed to me trumps ‘em all.”

Richard couldn’t wait until the third paragraph of her Mother’s Day letter to PPFA supporters to ask them to open their wallets.

“This Mother’s Day, I’m honoring that legacy with a Planned Parenthood Federation of America Mother’s Day gift. Join me,” she wrote.

“You can help with a gift to Planned Parenthood Federation of America today in honor of your mother or daughter, and on behalf of all the women,” she added.

Pro-life blogger Jill Stanek called Richard’s exploitation of Mother’s Day for pro-abortion money-making purposes “grotesque” and said she couldn’t believe Richards would stoop to “using her dead mother and daughter as props.”

“This pathetic woman is so psychologically and emotionally invested in abortion she has no semblance of conscience left,” Stanek said. “If and when she has grandchildren, I’m sure she’ll use them too.”

Richards said passing on her pro-abortion mantra to her daughter Hannah and her younger children Lily and Daniel is “the best gift any mother can give her children.”

“My mom did that for me and my siblings. And I’ve worked to do that for [my children],” she wrote.

And no, this is not an Onion parody.

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  1. #316607
    On May 9th, 2008 at 1:29 pm, alaskangrizzly said:

    As others have pointed out, abortions are used (roughly) 93% of the time for “social reasons”. Aka after-the-fact birth control. PP has no interest in making abortion “rare” as they claim. For them to ask for money on Mother’s Day, the day we celebrate our Mother for giving birth to us and raising us, is not only hypocritical it is flat out morbid and vile.

  2. #316610
    On May 9th, 2008 at 1:31 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    Abortion is utterly mind boggling when you think about it. We actually allow babies to be chopped up and sucked out of a tube when not needed…. and it happens thousands of times a day in the USA alone.

    It’s now wrapped in the ‘choice’ of a woman, as if it’s a human right to allow the killing… as otherwise it’s ‘taking her right away to choose’

    So, so sad…

    Very well put, sausage.

  3. #316611
    On May 9th, 2008 at 1:33 pm, Rusty said:

    PP has no interest in making abortion “rare” as they claim.

    Then why educate girls and women and distribute birth control? Why would they do that if they want nothing more than to perform abortions?

  4. #316612
    On May 9th, 2008 at 1:34 pm, libocrat said:

    Lighten up on these “Moms’” Killing their children is their right,.

  5. #316614
    On May 9th, 2008 at 1:35 pm, alaskangrizzly said:

    On May 9th, 2008 at 1:33 pm, Rusty said:

    Then why educate girls and women and distribute birth control? Why would they do that if they want nothing more than to perform abortions?

    Because if they didn’t, they would be fully exposed for the monsters they are. Putting on a mask of humanity to cover up barbarity is not a new concept.

  6. #316617
    On May 9th, 2008 at 1:37 pm, libocrat said:

    Oh goodie, Rusty Forceps has weighed in, favoring the baby killers.

  7. #316619
    On May 9th, 2008 at 1:37 pm, feebiebabe said:

    :lol:

  8. #316621
    On May 9th, 2008 at 1:38 pm, libocrat said:

    Grizzly, it’s about the money. Just keep on sending the money and Planned Parenthood can pay it’s executives or is that it’s executioners.

    Planned Parenthood is neither about planning nor parenthood. It’s better name would be THE DEATH HUT.

  9. #316622
    On May 9th, 2008 at 1:39 pm, dominigan said:

    On May 9th, 2008 at 1:08 pm, Rusty said:

    Abstractmind, you have a point. But I don’t think it really applies to this situation. Abortion can cause long-term effects and even death.

    Rusty, this may have been the most absolute STUPIDEST thing I have ever seen you post…

    EVERY SUCCESSFUL ABORTION RESULTS IN A DEATH!

  10. #316624
    On May 9th, 2008 at 1:39 pm, rightwingmom said:

    Just a few #s of women who have had an abortion:

    44% of women complained of nervous responses
    36% of women complained of sleep disturbances
    21% regret their decision of getting an abortion
    11% have been prescribed psychotropic medicine by a doctor.
    19% have suffered from post traumatic stress
    8% have attempted suicide.
    source: http://www.jimandellen.org/gmuhome/abortion.html

    I personally know women who have spoken about their regrets to abort. With Christ’s love and support of family and friends, many are beginning to heal. Those w/out support need our prayers this Mother’s Day!

  11. #316628
    On May 9th, 2008 at 1:42 pm, abstractmind said:

    On May 9th, 2008 at 1:39 pm, rightwingmom said:

    /sarc on

    But those numbers arent a majority.

    /sarc off

  12. #316631
    On May 9th, 2008 at 1:45 pm, Rusty said:

    RWM, if I wrote a pro-choice term paper with PP as a source, something tells me you wouldn’t pay it any mind.

    I’ll do the same for a term paper that uses “Baptists for Life” as a legitimate source.

  13. #316634
    On May 9th, 2008 at 1:45 pm, Lan Astaslem said:

    Rusty and TOS — Nice that the first poll on the page you linked sort-of proved your point. Now, page down. Some of the polls prove exactly the opposite of what you are trying to assert. (Careful where you point that thing!)

    I totally agree with the premise of this post that soliciting money on Mother’s Day for an organization whose sole purpose is to prevent the state of motherhood is like something out of BizarroWorld. As long as abortion remains legal in the good old USofA, I would love to know how we prevent taxpayer dollars from paying for abortions. I’m tired of paying for other people’s poor choices!!

  14. #316641
    On May 9th, 2008 at 1:47 pm, rightwingmom said:

    The previously mentioned stats – These #s are on women who sought help. I shutter to think how many suffer / die in silence.

    Wasn’t there a recent European woman who killed herself after aborting her twins? Where was PP and there post-procedure support? Newsflash- there is NONE!!!

    My roommate in college sought this help and was given pills to dry up her milk ducts. How compassionate!

  15. #316649
    On May 9th, 2008 at 1:50 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    rightwingmom,
    Yes, there was. Her name is Emma Beck.

  16. #316650
    On May 9th, 2008 at 1:50 pm, StanW said:

    And let us not forget Planned Parenthood taking private donations that were explicitly for the termination of Black babies.

    Not to mention their covering up of of child abuse and rape.

    Fabulous organization!

  17. #316651
    On May 9th, 2008 at 1:51 pm, libocrat said:

    Don’t punish Jesus Obama’s daughters with a baby.

    Send PP a check.

  18. #316655
    On May 9th, 2008 at 1:53 pm, TheOtherSide said:

    #109 On May 9th, 2008 at 1:39 pm, rightwingmom said:

    Good stats. Hopefully PP shares that information with someone who is contemplating abortion.

    But I would also like to see the stats for women who opted for childbirth. About 50%-75% of new mothers experience the “baby blues” after delivery. About 10% of these women will develop a more severe and longer-lasting depression after delivery.

  19. #316656
    On May 9th, 2008 at 1:53 pm, TheOtherSide said:

    #109 On May 9th, 2008 at 1:39 pm, rightwingmom said:

    Good stats. Hopefully PP shares that information with someone who is contemplating abortion.

    But I would also like to see the stats for women who opted for childbirth. About 50%-75% of new mothers experience the “baby blues” after delivery. About 10% of these women will develop a more severe and longer-lasting depression after delivery.

  20. #316657
    On May 9th, 2008 at 1:54 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    On May 9th, 2008 at 1:33 pm, Rusty said:

    Then why educate girls and women and distribute birth control? Why would they do that if they want nothing more than to perform abortions?

    Rusty. I respect your right to believe what you want – even killing babies as a good service for women. This gives me pause.

    In order to receive gooberment money, they have to play along. That is simple enough for lgm to understand.

  21. #316662
    On May 9th, 2008 at 1:56 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    Oh, lest we forget, men suffer too. In this world of “choice”, fathers have NONE. Do you suppose they are harmed?

  22. #316665
    On May 9th, 2008 at 1:56 pm, libocrat said:

    Dear me, some women get “the blues” after having offspring. That really troubles me. But it doesn’t justify stabbing babies in the head with Rusty Forceps.

  23. #316669
    On May 9th, 2008 at 1:58 pm, IndyRich said:

    Rusty,
    Abortion can cause long-term effects and evenalways death. There—fixed it for you!! You’re welcome!!

    If you look at your poll postings, only about 20% believe that abortion should have no restrictions. By inferral, 80% of those polled believe there should be greater restrictions on abortions.

    Only 1/3 of people polled think abortion should be legal if the pregnancy is accidental (aboortion as a form of birth control). However, 98% of abortions are “personal chioce”. http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/abreasons.html#5

    In short, a small minority think abortion should be readily available without restriction. An overwhelming majority think there should be at least some valid reason (rape, incest, health/life of mother) in order for someone to obtain an abortion. Over 60% (Rusty’s poll) of people believe that 98% of abortions (my link) should not be performed.

    Americans believe in Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, Rusty. It’s hard to realize those ideals when you’ve been tossed in a garbage can by your mother…

  24. #316670
    On May 9th, 2008 at 1:58 pm, rightwingmom said:

    Rusty,

    I would hope that you would use both sources to write your informed paper.

    I’ve actually sat in a Wichita clinic and witnessed 3rd trimester “girls” being escorted to the basement for their 4 day procedure. I was there for my roommate’s post-procedure exam. At the time, she told me she’d been date raped. Only later did she confess to multiple partners. I’ve been for ALL babies ever since!!!

    One more thing – The caring PP staff told her it was a boy. I thought it was only a lump of cells.

    I’ve seen both worlds. I choose the “Baptist” with full knowledge and understanding!

  25. #316671
    On May 9th, 2008 at 1:58 pm, alaskangrizzly said:

    On May 9th, 2008 at 1:45 pm, Rusty said:
    RWM, if I wrote a pro-choice term paper with PP as a source, something tells me you wouldn’t pay it any mind.

    I’ll do the same for a term paper that uses “Baptists for Life” as a legitimate source.

    Which is why you are a CINO.

    If you had actually look at the source of her quotes more carefully you would have seen this (1) in the brackets by it. If you had scrolled down to the sources and found the (1) it would have read:

    Reardon, David (1997). A List of Major Psychological Sequelae of Abortion. Retrieved April 2004 from George Mason University, Web site: http://www.afterabortion.org

    If you had then gone to the website of the author and clicked on “Who is Elliot” you would have gotten this:

    The Elliot Institute is a non-profit, 501(c)3 tax exempt corporation that was founded in 1988 to perform original research and education on the impact of abortion on women, men, siblings, and society. The Elliot Institute publishes research and educational materials and works as an advocate for women and men seeking post-abortion healing.

    But you keep spewing your garbage CINO, it makes for entertaining reading.

  26. #316676
    On May 9th, 2008 at 2:01 pm, feebiebabe said:

    #124 – garbage in garbage out.

    statistics are worthless….not to mention completely irrelevant when we are talking about these little lives.

  27. #316678
    On May 9th, 2008 at 2:02 pm, av8tr said:

    Overall, among all adults, 53% believe that abortion is morally wrong most of the time. Thirty-two percent (32%) disagree. Those numbers have changed little over the past year and there is virtually no difference of opinion between men and women.

    Rasmussen Reports April 23, 2007

    Abortion devalues life – plain and simple.

  28. #316680
    On May 9th, 2008 at 2:03 pm, alaskangrizzly said:

    I know feebie, I am in your court on this one. I just occasionally stoop to their level and use their methods against them.

  29. #316681
    On May 9th, 2008 at 2:03 pm, jsr said:

    But I would also like to see the stats for women who opted for childbirth. About 50%-75% of new mothers experience the “baby blues” after delivery. About 10% of these women will develop a more severe and longer-lasting depression after delivery.

    I’d say 100% of mothers (and fathers) suffer sleep loss, fatigue and a good bit of financial sacrifice when they have children. But this is something that one has to accept for the privilige of being a parent (or opting for childbirth as you put it) It isn’t like buying a pet!

  30. #316682
    On May 9th, 2008 at 2:04 pm, rightwingmom said:

    alaskangrizzly – thanks

  31. #316683
    On May 9th, 2008 at 2:04 pm, feebiebabe said:

    #127 – I understand… I was “100%” with ya on that one!!! ;)

    I am out guys..

    Happy Mothers Day to all our Mothers Here…And Ms. Michelle!

    :)

  32. #316690
    On May 9th, 2008 at 2:10 pm, tre said:

    On May 9th, 2008 at 1:56 pm, On-my-soap-box said:
    Oh, lest we forget, men suffer too. In this world of “choice”, fathers have NONE. Do you suppose they are harmed?

    Very good point, Soap. I have a picture of my two children on my work station, here. I’m so glad my wife and I are being “punished” with them.

  33. #316691
    On May 9th, 2008 at 2:10 pm, rightwingmom said:

    Gotta go, by kids need me.

    Michelle – Happy Mother’s Day!

  34. #316697
    On May 9th, 2008 at 2:12 pm, Papa Louie said:

    lgm said:

    The 10 week old fetus is not a person unless you believe in ghosts (souls). It has no higher consciousness and less brain activity than a frog.

    Are you saying that abortion should only be legal up to 10 weeks?
    Are you also saying that it’s OK to kill anything that is soulless and has less brain activity than a frog? How nice. It’s now open season on Liberals!

  35. #316701
    On May 9th, 2008 at 2:13 pm, abstractmind said:

    On May 9th, 2008 at 1:56 pm, On-my-soap-box said:
    Oh, lest we forget, men suffer too. In this world of “choice”, fathers have NONE. Do you suppose they are harmed?

    It most certainly does. You have no idea.

  36. #316707
    On May 9th, 2008 at 2:18 pm, graysonret said:

    I’m usually quiet about lgm. Personally, I like having his opinions, which adds some “flavor” to the subjects. But, I have to say something about his comment. When we start classifying human beings based on the size of their brain or ability to “think”, then we are moving down the road of National Socialism and Communism. We are heading back to the “Dark Ages”. Oh, I understand his point completely. When Roe vs Wade came out, I was 100% for it. Over time, though, and thinking about it, my morals and values kept conflicting with the idea. The death of any human is sad. And, when it is done deliberately, for social purposes, doubly sad. Yes, all humans have a soul. It is the essence of our being. It is what makes me…me, and you…you. We don’t understand it yet because our science hasn’t progessed that far, but it is still there. The soul is the basis of faith. For only in faith can we attempt to understand the dimension that the soul resides. As of now, we have 4 dimensions; yet, the soul resides in another. What is it? We don’t know…faith. The aborted baby has a soul. Does it feel pain on abortion? Probably, and where are the extremists complaining of animal and even plant pain? So we now judge humans on “higher consciousness” and “brain activity”. I, for one, can’t assume something that scientifically isn’t proven. I can say, with confidence, that the soul has a consciousness that may take decades/centuries to fully understand. At any rate, Happy Mothers’ Day to the Moms here…especially you, Michelle.

  37. #316715
    On May 9th, 2008 at 2:24 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    The 10 week old fetus is not a person unless you believe in ghosts (souls). It has no higher consciousness and less brain activity than a frog.

    So the mentally disturbed homeless man, the kid with Down’s Syndrome, the comatose woman – all these are not people, either?

    lgm – that comment reveals more about you and the mentality behind abortion that I could ever do. So thank you.

    You’ve just proved my point – abortion and the mentality behind it dehumanizes every person who isn’t “wanted”, “fit”, or “perfect.”

    And the argument that because an unborn child is developing, but not “fully human” is just despicable. No person ever came into existence as a self-sufficent adult. We all developed.

  38. #316722
    On May 9th, 2008 at 2:30 pm, libocrat said:

    Does lgm have more or less brain function than a frog?
    We just don’t know.
    We do know that frogs are more moral. Even by accident.

  39. #316741
    On May 9th, 2008 at 2:46 pm, jsr said:

    The 10 week old fetus is not a person unless you believe in ghosts (souls). It has no higher consciousness and less brain activity than a frog.

    This reminds me of a comment I once read by noted biolgist, atheist, and Darwinist. In his book The Blind Watchmaker he expressed his disgust and horror that medical experiments are performed on live monkeys which are clearly more intelligent and have an advanced level of awareness unlike a human zygote (fertilized egg)which, unfortunately, are protected from medical experiments. When I read this it was like I had been struck by a bolt of lightning! Using this logic a newborn baby is probably less intelligent and aware than an adult monkey, thus it should be suitable subject for medical experiments. This speaks volumes about people that use this line of reasoning. They place more value on a well-trained dog than an unborn baby.

  40. #316750
    On May 9th, 2008 at 2:57 pm, libocrat said:

    Jsr, immorality is the stock in trade of the liberal. They believe suckers like you and I should pay for their whims with out taxes. Most libs don’t fit in, and have no moral compass.
    Most. They prove it again and again. They are about socialism, power, and someone else’s money.

  41. #316756
    On May 9th, 2008 at 3:04 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    jsr #138

    And the list goes on.

  42. #316758
    On May 9th, 2008 at 3:04 pm, StanW said:

    libocrat said:

    They are about socialism, power, and someone else’s money.

    Lib, it is important to remember:

    Liberals are always brave and generous and tolerant… as long as it costs them NOTHING!

  43. #316774
    On May 9th, 2008 at 3:19 pm, libocrat said:

    Yes, sadly, libs even expect someone to pay for their abortions. The Taxpayer.

  44. #316799
    On May 9th, 2008 at 3:40 pm, terrig said:

    Yes the libs want us to pay for their abortions, their mistakes or punishments as B Obummer would call them. Yes, liberals are always tolerant as long as they’re not handing out their own dollars, but taxpayers dollars-go for it.
    I truly am disgusted by our pro-death “friends” here. I find it funny as heck that they don’t like the death penalty but love abortion. They all claim they were “wanted” but if they weren’t and were destroyed at 10 weeks, we wouldn’t have their profound insights to look forward to on a daily basis. It boggles the mind.

  45. #316825
    On May 9th, 2008 at 3:57 pm, angryoldfatman said:

    By the way guys, here’s the “tadpole” that lgm is talking about.

    Money quote from the page:

    Basic brain structure of the fetus is complete and now the brain mass rapidly increases.

    My son’s 12-week ultrasound was what made me rabidly anti-abortion. When I saw what “experts” said was a “blob” or a “tadpole” or whatever other dehumanizing thing they could think of, I knew how much they had lied.

  46. #316836
    On May 9th, 2008 at 4:04 pm, undrseige247 said:

    libocrat said:
    Does lgm have more or less brain function than a frog?

    lgm has about as much brain activity as a dead frog hooked up to a 9-volt battery.

    Yes, I hate to admit it but when I was little I fished a dead frog out of the pool skimmer, dissected it, and then hooked it up to a 9-volt battery. And yes, the heart starts to beat!

  47. #316864
    On May 9th, 2008 at 4:20 pm, lgm said:

    We are not going to agree on whether the fetus is or is not a person. Maybe we can agree that people who support abortion, the “pro choice” majority of Americans, believe murder is wrong.

    All of us (except a Nazi or two) would oppose abortion if we thought a person was being killed.

  48. #316875
    On May 9th, 2008 at 4:25 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    On May 9th, 2008 at 3:57 pm, angryoldfatman said:
    By the way guys, here’s the “tadpole” that lgm is talking about.

    Look completly HUMAN to me.

    Ah, geeezzz, the freak is back.

    All of us (except a Nazi or two) would oppose abortion if we thought a person was being killed.

    Nazi’s experimented on humans. They had no problem killing Jews (less than human).

    Hey, idiot, a person is being killed. Alas – you are not worth what it takes to blow my nose. There is, however, more living matter in my hanky than in your skull.

  49. #316887
    On May 9th, 2008 at 4:29 pm, angryoldfatman said:

    All of us (except a Nazi or two) would oppose abortion if we thought a person was being killed.

    Exactly. That’s why it’s important to call a human being a “tadpole” or “frog” or “parasite” or “Jew” or “n****r” or “infidel” or “monkey” or “pig”… to literally dehumanize him or her so he/she can be eliminated more easily.

    I’m sure this man didn’t think he was shooting anything human, for instance. They were lower life forms according to most of the mass media he’d heard and read and seen, as well as the knowledgeable scientists and doctors of his time.

  50. #316902
    On May 9th, 2008 at 4:35 pm, abstractmind said:

    On May 9th, 2008 at 4:20 pm, lgm said:
    We are not going to agree on whether the fetus is or is not a person.

    You must have missed that massive post i had earlier. as a professor, i would assume science would be something of a safe zone for you. You apparently either overlooked it, didnt bother, or dont care.

    But then again, who has time for facts? we’ve got kids to kill.

  51. #316944
    On May 9th, 2008 at 4:53 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    Over 3-1/2 hours and not one person said that they would have preferred to have been aborted.

    Poll closes in 5 minutes.

    In case you missed it.

    Who here would have preferred to have been aborted?

  52. #316956
    On May 9th, 2008 at 5:02 pm, mom2jack said:

    Not me, #150. I’m pretty sure my 2 kids would say no as well. And with all my heart I miss my little angel who left my womb at 10 weeks – not by abortion, but miscarriage.

    No matter how much people want to think of abortion as just some sort of “procedure,” I know that on Sunday there will be millions of women out there thinking about the children they aborted and wishing they were here on earth to wish them a Happy Mother’s Day.

  53. #316960
    On May 9th, 2008 at 5:05 pm, mom2jack said:

    All of us (except a Nazi or two) would oppose abortion if we thought a person was being killed.

    Oh. my. God. You fool, a person is being killed!

  54. #316961
    On May 9th, 2008 at 5:05 pm, cicerokid said:

    Abortion was 33% of the number of births in the US during 1992 (my research is a little old). 1,359,145 abortions to 4 million births. Latvia, Estonia, Ukraine, and Russia all had abortion rates that were more than the birth rates. More abortions than live births. These statistics, in my opinion, represent a societies’ values.

  55. #316964
    On May 9th, 2008 at 5:08 pm, undrseige247 said:

    lgm said:

    All of us (except a Nazi or two) would oppose abortion if we thought a person was being killed.

    Have you ever seen a pile of aborted fetuses at the morgue? Try it sometime.
    Get a dose of reality.

  56. #316971
    On May 9th, 2008 at 5:16 pm, TheOtherSide said:

    You guys win.

    Let’s overturn Roe v. Wade and go back to when abortion was illegal.

    But why stop there? Let’s go back to the founding of this country when abortion was legal.

    Or let’s go back Pope Innocent III (c. 1200) when according the church it was not murder if “quickening” had not occured.

  57. #317003
    On May 9th, 2008 at 5:36 pm, SHoward said:

    Was abortion illegal Federally before Roe v. Wade, TOS?

    Or was it just NOT protected by the Constitution?

    Fact is you’re half right — back to before Roe v. Wade so each state can make up its own mind.

  58. #317022
    On May 9th, 2008 at 5:59 pm, EWTHeckman said:

    lgm:

    All of us (except a Nazi or two) would oppose abortion if we thought a person was being killed.

    There he goes, using “person” again instead of human being. I’m not at all surprised he’s hanging on to “person” with a death grip because it’s a classic case of moving the goalposts.

    Pro-abortionists used to argue that the “fetus” was not human. It was “just tissue,” “a clump of cells,” anything but a human being. But as we learned more and more about the development process in the womb, it eventually became impossible to deny that every unborn baby—even at the earliest stages of development—is a distinct and unique human being, possessing unique DNA, it’s own blood type which is often different than the mother’s, its own fingerprints, it’s own circulating system (the heart begins beating at 3 weeks, almost always before the mother even knows she’s pregnant) and their own brainwave patterns.

    That’s why the proaborts came up with this squishy “personhood” definition. It’s impossible to define cleanly, therefore, they feel free to define it however they like so that they can get their way. Heck, as we’ve already seen with such atrocities as slavery, Britain’s (and others’) colonial periods and Hitler’s Germany, the abuse and wholesale slaughter of other human beings was considered acceptable because they were “not persons.”

    lgm, by your definition of “person,” we would be legally free to kill you if you fell into a coma for any reason. Is it okay with you for us to go ahead and do that?

  59. #317028
    On May 9th, 2008 at 6:04 pm, EWTHeckman said:

    Or let’s go back Pope Innocent III (c. 1200) when according the church it was not murder if “quickening” had not occured.

    If you want to argue that way, why don’t we just go back to between 1446 and 1406 B.C. when an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth and a life for a life was defined as the punishment for harming a pregnant woman’s baby?

  60. #317058
    On May 9th, 2008 at 6:37 pm, corkie said:

    On May 9th, 2008 at 4:20 pm, lgm said:

    We are not going to agree on whether the fetus is or is not a person. Maybe we can agree that people who support abortion, the “pro choice” majority of Americans, believe murder is wrong.

    lgm, are you trying to imply that since most abortion supporters believe murder is wrong, that they obviously don’t believe that abortion is murder – and since it’s not murder then the fetus must not be a person?

    Weak, very weak. Just because someone doesn’t believe (or refuses to believe) that a certain act is murder, doesn’t mean that it’s not murder. This point has been made many times on this thread.

    They may be allowing themselves to use the law as their morality guide. I can give you 10 reasons why that’s a bad idea!

    Also, this is semi-related. See Techniques of Neutralization.

  61. #317061
    On May 9th, 2008 at 6:41 pm, exitus said:

    First off, I won’t say I’m 100% against abortion…because there are always cases where keeping the baby will kill the mother, or when the baby has already died and will cause complications if it stays inside.

    I hate polls and statistics because there are always ways to twist them so they say what you want to say. For example, if I were given the choice “Do you support abortion, or do you support mothers dying painfully due to a blah blah blah…” I’m not sure what I would say, and they’d probably use my silence as a pro-abortion answer. That’s how pollsters work (on both sides). It’s a far-fetched example, but it’s the basic idea.

    That said, the problem with abortions in general is that they are used for ’social reasons’ as it has already been said. I’m sure 99% of abortions are because people were doing what they knew they shouldn’t, and don’t want to take responsibility. I speed with full knowledge that if a cop sees me, I’ll be given a ticket. I don’t pull stunts to try to get out of it. People in general just need to Suck. It. Up. (in more ways than the mortgage bit).

    Aside from that, there are very few other cases it can possibly be justified. Being adopted along with my three younger siblings, I have to say that I am glad my Birth Mother had the courage and love to let me have life. Being born on January 22, I am even more thankful for this.

    By the way, my siblings and I are all 4 years apart, thanks to the lack of babies being born for all the parents who want one.

  62. #317069
    On May 9th, 2008 at 6:48 pm, exitus said:

    That last sentence would have mad more sense as ‘babies being born and put up for adoption.’

  63. #317117
    On May 9th, 2008 at 8:06 pm, love2rumba said:

    Understand why abortion is so popular with elites and politicians: It gets a scandal and responsibility off their shoulders, particularly for the males.

  64. #317118
    On May 9th, 2008 at 8:09 pm, love2rumba said:

    This in turn leads to all sorts of whacko arguments in favor of abortion…”its not a person until this or that date (and never acknowledging “it” is human and the human is either a he or she-not a tarantula). The left can be so compassionate….

  65. #317173
    On May 9th, 2008 at 10:12 pm, corkie said:

    On May 9th, 2008 at 5:16 pm, TheOtherSide said:

    You guys win.

    Let’s overturn Roe v. Wade and go back to when abortion was illegal.

    But why stop there? Let’s go back to the founding of this country when abortion was legal.

    Or let’s go back Pope Innocent III (c. 1200) when according the church it was not murder if “quickening” had not occured.

    What makes you think that anyone here is arguing to “go back to” anything?

    Maybe some folks on here are arguing for certain laws regardless of past laws, customs, and norms.

  66. #317192
    On May 9th, 2008 at 10:42 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    TOS,

    Who the heck cares about winning? Babies are dying.

    Your side will not be happy until there are prepaid abortions for girls when they hit puberty.

    Hey, 100% of the time, the baby loses in an abortion. Great odds for the innocent.

  67. #317200
    On May 9th, 2008 at 11:09 pm, scottthong said:

    Dear mother, on this special day just for you…

    I want to say I HATE YOU for not aboting me!

    /snark

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