The man-made disaster in Myanmar

By Michelle Malkin  •  May 9, 2008 08:26 AM

A monstrous cyclone in Myanmar has been followed by monstrous inhumanity by the country’s military dictatorship. The UN announced this morning that it was suspending food aid after the junta seized humanitarian shipments. This comes after the regime refused to issue visas to international aid workers:

A U.N. official says the World Food Program is suspending cyclone aid to Myanmar because its government seized supplies flown into the country.

He says the WFP has no choice but to suspend the shipments until the matter is resolved.

WFP spokesman Paul Risley said Friday that all “the food aid and equipment that we managed to get in has been confiscated.” The shipment included 38 tons of high-energy biscuits.

Reuters has more:

The two shipments, 38 tonnes of high-energy biscuits, were enough to feed 95,000 people — a tiny fraction of the estimated 1.5 million destitute survivors of Cyclone Nargis, which ripped into the southeast Asian nation six days ago.

“It should be on trucks headed to the victims. You’ve seen the conditions they are in. That food is now sitting on a tarmac doing no good,” Banbury said.

Despite the desperate needs of the survivors, the generals are adamant that only they will distribute the emergency aid that is going in after the worst cyclone to hit Asia since 1991, when 143,000 people were killed in Bangladesh.

The Dallas Morning News editorializes on the man-maded crisis:

The humanitarian crisis is almost certain to become a political crisis. Last September, Myanmar’s generals faced the biggest threat to their rule in 20 years when fuel price increases sparked mass protests that were crushed by soldiers. You can’t eat gas, but if you’re Burmese, you have to eat rice. And the cyclone may have wrecked the country’s rice-growing region during harvest time.

With the region already facing a rice shortage, how will Myanmar’s people feed themselves?

The United States has joined other governments and independent relief agencies from around the world in standing ready to help – but short of an act of war, it cannot intervene. Myanmar’s generals now join the ranks of history’s great tyrants – despots like Stalin, Mao, North Korea’s Kim dynasty – who were willing to allow the masses die of hunger and disease rather than yield the least bit of control.

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  1. #316139
    On May 9th, 2008 at 8:37 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    I will keep the survivors in my prayers. May God help them.

    Myanmar’s generals now join the ranks of history’s great tyrants – despots like Stalin, Mao, North Korea’s Kim dynasty – who were willing to allow the masses die of hunger and disease rather than yield the least bit of control.

    Yeah. But that’s nothing compared to hellish nightmare of living eight years under Boooooosh.
    /sarc

  2. #316142
    On May 9th, 2008 at 8:42 am, cpodug said:

    It seems to be the tyrant’s preferred method of population control

  3. #316143
    On May 9th, 2008 at 8:42 am, diggafromdover said:

    How very brave of the UN! Whenever danger reared it’s ugly head, the blue-heads turned and bravely fled. It’s not food the folks in Burma need…

  4. #316148
    On May 9th, 2008 at 8:46 am, jungatheart said:

    How do these people sleep at night knowing they are directly responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent people?

  5. #316150
    On May 9th, 2008 at 8:47 am, Darwin Akbar said:

    “Of course, this is not nearly as bad as the way in which Israel denies fuel and food to the poor oppressed citizens of Gaza!”

    /tin foil hat off/

  6. #316151
    On May 9th, 2008 at 8:48 am, Bucklee said:

    I am just waiting for the first liberal to blame President Bush. What for? Not acting unilaterally, and I suspect that it will be John Kerry who levels the charge.

  7. #316154
    On May 9th, 2008 at 8:52 am, JohnnyD said:

    It should be announced by the U.N. to the world that this is a true “crimes against humanity” event. Then, it should be announced criminal charges are being filed in the Hague and rattle a few sabers for good measure.

    Unfortunately, the U.N. is nothing more than a paper tiger that couldn’t wipe it’s own nose without getting bogged down in “debate”.

    I know, this would be a futile attempt.

    Meanwhile the world watches helplessly while millions die. Again!

  8. #316159
    On May 9th, 2008 at 8:55 am, undrseige247 said:

    A U.N. official says the World Food Program is suspending cyclone aid to Myanmar because its government seized supplies flown into the country.

    If Myanmar is not accepting money and aid then WHY is Google trying to collect money for the victims and where is that Google money being held?

  9. #316162
    On May 9th, 2008 at 8:58 am, undrseige247 said:

    jungatheart said:

    How do these people sleep at night knowing they are directly responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent people?

    There’s a woman from Burma in my office who told me the answer to that question; they could care less.

  10. #316172
    On May 9th, 2008 at 9:10 am, On-my-soap-box said:

    UN = they could care less is an understatement.

    Praying.

  11. #316174
    On May 9th, 2008 at 9:11 am, spudmomof6 said:

    What would the Myanmar despots do if the US violated their airspace and dropped containers of food aid to the desperate people (and weapons to defend themselves from the thugs who protect the men who would prefer them to starve than be helped?) Bet that would get the UN’s knickers in a twist!

  12. #316176
    On May 9th, 2008 at 9:12 am, khan said:

    Burma, not Myanmar. The United States does not recognize the military junta-government as legitimate.

  13. #316178
    On May 9th, 2008 at 9:15 am, wrcnossen said:

    This is one outcome of the spineless response to the war in Iraq. These dictators should FEAR U.S. We should stand for freedom and against tyrany where ever it exists, and when the oportunity to support a nation in throwing off the chains we should support them. We should help these people and let the generals interfear at their own peril.

    We have forgotten where we come from and why this country was founded. We are backsliding tward the moral spinelessness of Europe.

  14. #316179
    On May 9th, 2008 at 9:16 am, Hexadecimal said:

    On May 9th, 2008 at 9:11 am, spudmomof6 said:

    What would the Myanmar despots do if the US violated their airspace and dropped containers of food aid to the desperate people (and weapons to defend themselves from the thugs who protect the men who would prefer them to starve than be helped?) Bet that would get the UN’s knickers in a twist!

    To quote the internet: “Doo eeeet!”

  15. #316182
    On May 9th, 2008 at 9:18 am, wrcnossen said:

    many mistakes in my last post.
    anger…….clouding…….brain

  16. #316185
    On May 9th, 2008 at 9:20 am, changer1701 said:

    RE #6:

    You don’t have to wait. A few of my Leftist coworkers were talking about this yesterday, and they were excusing the fact that this junta wasn’t letting us in because they “hated us” and of course had every reason to because of all we “do” around the world.

    Yes, all we do…like mobilize massive amounts of food and other aid to hand out to the world’s citizens, even in those under the iron fist of the most despicable dictatorships.

  17. #316186
    On May 9th, 2008 at 9:20 am, khan said:

    #13: you’re awfully generous with my money.

  18. #316187
    On May 9th, 2008 at 9:21 am, sonofdy said:

    Let them starve. It may be a hard thing to say but it might actualy cause the downfall of the military dictatorship there. Those who are thinking about military action to get food to the people there, forget it. Its not that we couldn’t do it, its that it is simply not worth itfor this nation. Everytime we try to help others we get slaped down and I am sick of it. If the world wants us to keep to ourselves, this is the price. Let them starve. Let the other nations who live off our largess do something for a change.

  19. #316188
    On May 9th, 2008 at 9:21 am, sausage said:

    This is one outcome of the spineless response to the war in Iraq. These dictators should FEAR U.S. We should stand for freedom and against tyrany where ever it exists

    That is so ridiculously cheesy.

    Instead of being an armchair general, in command of your own army in your mind, why not reach into your pocket and donate some money to some of the charities that are trying to operate in the area.

    I think the USA should just air drop the food throughout Burma at this point…

  20. #316190
    On May 9th, 2008 at 9:22 am, sausage said:

    Let them starve

    Stay classy….

  21. #316191
    On May 9th, 2008 at 9:23 am, Trunk Monkey said:

    I dont think anyone over there would complain about their HUD trailer.

  22. #316196
    On May 9th, 2008 at 9:25 am, ACHefty said:

    Since they don’t want our help (only our money), then our aid resources are best spent elsewhere. If this dictatorship wants to starve its citizens, then good luck with the loyalty factor.

    We’ll take our toys and go somewhere else to play.

    Far be it from me to be critical (stop laughing!), but a simple “Thank you” from a grateful nation whenever we provide help would be nice. Last time we were in that region providing assistance, a high-brow UN Official called us “stingy.”

    No good deed…

  23. #316197
    On May 9th, 2008 at 9:25 am, b4itsover said:

    You are ALL missing the cause for this disaster. GLOBAL WARMING!!! I mean what else can explain a cyclone in Southeast Asia. Come on guys, if you would just bicycle to work this would not have happened.

  24. #316198
    On May 9th, 2008 at 9:26 am, sonofdy said:

    SAUSAGE, its darwinism at its best. I am sick of bailing out 3rd world cess pools and then being attacked for it. Let someone else be thw whiping boy for the worlds collective guilt.

  25. #316200
    On May 9th, 2008 at 9:28 am, Boomer said:

    I am so glad our military is the only fully functional part of our government despite being under funded, forced to use draconian regulations, and endure the constant interference from our elected officials or political appointees. When you look at the military junta that runs Burma (which appears to be only good at shooting unarmed civilians) vs. our troops that are able to accomplish any mission given them especially a humanitarian aid mission (just think how bad New Orleans would have been had Blanco not finally let the President send in the troops) the junta leaders should just let our guys handle this while they sit back and learn how its done. Otherwise even their guns, armored vehicles, or aircraft are not going to be able to fight off a desperate population that face dying from disease and hunger or at the point of a bayonet.

  26. #316203
    On May 9th, 2008 at 9:32 am, ajmontana said:

    I’m (gasp) with snausage here. sonofdy, your posts are cruel and pale.

  27. #316206
    On May 9th, 2008 at 9:33 am, wrcnossen said:

    Cheesy? Do you think we should just sit back while another North Korea is created? Do we stand for something or not?

    The earlier we can take out these butchers who live off the misery of their own people, the better off the world will be. Whether you like it or not, when the mess gets big enough, when enough people have been starved and murdered, you know who will have to take care of it any way.

  28. #316207
    On May 9th, 2008 at 9:33 am, WarTip said:

    Naw, it can’t be that bad because the UN is taking care of it. We all know they are gods among men and can do no evil and do no wrong.

    On the other hand, if we can provide billions of dollars of relief and aid to Mexico with no strings attached and no accountability, what would make this current scenario any different?

    I don’t get it? Government is good and citizens are bad right?

  29. #316211
    On May 9th, 2008 at 9:37 am, khan said:

    #27:

    You are going off the deep end. Comparing the situation in Burma to North Korea?

    Do we stand for something or not? I sure hope so, but it sure isn’t what you think it is.

  30. #316213
    On May 9th, 2008 at 9:40 am, ARJCPA said:

    Perhaps it’s because I’ve watched “Blackhawk Down” recently, but my thoughts are to keep our military out of this particular third world crisis.

    Given what I believe to be largely misguided negativity towards the USA permeating in the world today, perhaps the best course of action is no action – a message to the world that it has lost the privilege of our formidable military and vast resources. Let the PRC airlift food into the jungle.

  31. #316218
    On May 9th, 2008 at 9:45 am, sonofdy said:

    ajmontana, The military leaders have given us 2 choices, stay out or use military force to feed the people. Life is cruel. Can you see any other options? Simply droping food will not work because they have radar and the military will get there first.

  32. #316221
    On May 9th, 2008 at 9:48 am, khan said:

    Or…drop the supplies and food and watch them seized shortly after. We cannot – nor should we – solve everyone’s problems. Leave the humanitarian efforts to the humanitarian agencies.

  33. #316223
    On May 9th, 2008 at 9:49 am, On-my-soap-box said:

    On May 9th, 2008 at 9:21 am, sausage said:
    …I think the USA should just air drop the food throughout Burma at this point…

    I am with you too! I think the UN should grow a set and air drop as well.

    Air drop and tell the officials to go pack sand – we are going to help YOUR people.

  34. #316224
    On May 9th, 2008 at 9:50 am, BayStateRepublican said:

    We need to sit down with the military junta. Flying into their airspace would be an act of war. War solves nothing! If we just sit down and discuss, we can no doubt bring them around to our way of thinking. We need to use diplomacy – they just don’t understand our desire to help.

    ::sarc off::

  35. #316226
    On May 9th, 2008 at 9:51 am, abstractmind said:

    Shameful on the part of the leaders there. But if they’re going to refuse our help, then I would submit we have plenty of issues with hunger, homelessness, and other factors which could use some addressing here at home.

  36. #316229
    On May 9th, 2008 at 9:52 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    BayStateRepublican,
    You had me on the ropes there for a minute… whew! :-)

  37. #316230
    On May 9th, 2008 at 9:54 am, abstractmind said:

    On May 9th, 2008 at 9:45 am, sonofdy said:
    ajmontana, The military leaders have given us 2 choices, stay out or use military force to feed the people. Life is cruel. Can you see any other options? Simply droping food will not work because they have radar and the military will get there first.

    I just cant agree with this one. Even IF you could make this happen, how many people do you know eat a good meal at the business end of an M16?

    You can’t FORCE this on them. It’s opening a can of worms that you simply can’t close.

    Either they’ll accept the aid, or they wont. But trying to do so by force is certain to not solve anything.

  38. #316231
    On May 9th, 2008 at 9:56 am, sonofdy said:

    To the air drop idea supporters, There is this magic device called radar, it means that if we air drop, the military will know exactly where and when. They will send troops and take the food.
    I am all for helping people, but in this case we would have to fight a war to do so. Given the worlds “support” of our military action in the world in the last 30 years it is simply NOT worth it to us. Let the chinesse soak up a few rounds if it comes to that.

  39. #316232
    On May 9th, 2008 at 9:56 am, sbw999 said:

    Evil…on parade.

  40. #316236
    On May 9th, 2008 at 9:59 am, sonofdy said:

    ABSTRACTMIND, exactly, which is why I say, let them starve. That is what doing nothing means. The burmesse government will have to come to us from here on out.

  41. #316239
    On May 9th, 2008 at 10:00 am, englishqueen01 said:

    How do these people sleep at night knowing they are directly responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent people?

    They have no heart.

    Instead of being an armchair general, in command of your own army in your mind, why not reach into your pocket and donate some money to some of the charities that are trying to operate in the area.

    Did you not read the reports, sausage? Aid – monetary or otherwise – and aid workers are not being allowed into the country. Aid that has gotten through has been siezed by the junta. I want my money to go to someone who needs it – not some evil dictator.

    Swift international action needs to be leveled against the government in Burma. People who are starved to death cannot overthrown a despotic government.

    Has anyone thought this could be additional retaliation for the uprising a few months ago?

  42. #316247
    On May 9th, 2008 at 10:04 am, abstractmind said:

    EQ,

    Rush Limbaugh actually said you might find interesting as well. Was glad he said it.

    http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_050608/content/01125109.guest.html

    To quote from it:

    It is due to one simple fact, maybe not just one, but I think the central characteristic here of these massive humanitarian disasters is that when people are denied freedom, the results can be deadly. Millions of poor people in Burma live on a floodplain right along the coast, and the reason they do is because they have to raise enough rice to support their families. They have no freedom. They have no freedom to move around. They have no property rights or anything else. They have to live where they live right in the target of a floodplain, just to be able to eat.

  43. #316250
    On May 9th, 2008 at 10:05 am, radio relay said:

    The U.N. never met a dictatorship it didn’t like. Wouldn’t want to “offend” Chavez, Castro, the Iranian mullahs, the ChiComs, or umpteen other despotic leaders and governments around the globe, by imposing aid to help the innocent victims in a country controlled by a running dog military junta!

  44. #316252
    On May 9th, 2008 at 10:06 am, BayStateRepublican said:

    If Burma was sitting on the world’s third largest reserve of oil, would our talk of “regime change” to remove despotic leadership be seen as less than altruistic? Just asking.

  45. #316255
    On May 9th, 2008 at 10:08 am, sonofdy said:

    I have an idea, Air drop supplies to them, half food, half ak-47’s and ammo so the people can actualy keep the food. How is that for a compromise?

  46. #316256
    On May 9th, 2008 at 10:09 am, abstractmind said:

    On May 9th, 2008 at 9:56 am, sonofdy said:
    To the air drop idea supporters, There is this magic device called radar, it means that if we air drop, the military will know exactly where and when. They will send troops and take the food.

    your compromise, by your own account, would be helping the troops get more weapons. we’ll have to find another way ;)

  47. #316259
    On May 9th, 2008 at 10:10 am, changer1701 said:

    From the AP: “Former President, and all-around good guy (he builds houses, you know), Jimmy Carter (D-Hamas) announced this morning that he was flying to Myanmar to plead with the country’s leadership to allow much-needed aid into their devastated country after a cyclone (caused by Mr. Bush, who refused to sign the Kyoto Treaty) ravaged the countryside. Said President (I mean former President) Carter, “We have to sit down, talk to them, and understand their side. Obama 2008, baby!” Michelle Obama chimed in from the campaign trail today, her wonderful smile and engaging personality giving comfort to the suffering masses. At a campaign stop, she said, “What do they have to complain about? Starvation and disease have nothing on what what Barack and I have gone through during this campaign.”

  48. #316260
    On May 9th, 2008 at 10:11 am, sonofdy said:

    We could talk to them through the un, that would take months of course ending with massive starvation…..

  49. #316261
    On May 9th, 2008 at 10:11 am, Mendol said:

    For those that say this is Darwinism in action might want to actually read Darwin. It has nothing to do with this situation. The philosophy you are looking for is “Social Darwinism.” A good book to learn about that theory would be “Mein Kampf”

    Have a nice day :)

  50. #316263
    On May 9th, 2008 at 10:13 am, walterc said:

    How is this different from Iraq, Darfur or North Korea?

    In Iraq we took unilateral action to save the people from their evil dictator government and we’ve been condemned for it, in Darfur, we let the U.N. handle it and we are condemned for it. In North Korea we negotiate with a despot government, the government takes the money and the people starve any way.

    I’m with sonofdy, let someone else deal with it. We are going to get the blame anyway, so we might as well not spend any money on the effort this time.

    And the goracle has already said it’s because of global warming, so it’s our fault they cyclone hit burma anyway.

  51. #316264
    On May 9th, 2008 at 10:14 am, radio relay said:

    sonofdy said:

    I have an idea, Air drop supplies to them, half food, half ak-47’s and ammo so the people can actualy keep the food. How is that for a compromise?

    You hit the nail on the head!! That’s what they’re afraid of.

  52. #316265
    On May 9th, 2008 at 10:15 am, On-my-soap-box said:

    Air drop food in and let the military try and take it from starving people. You would be surprised how people will fight to stay alive. The military can’t be everywhere at once. The military want to parade itself as doing the aid. Air drop and the people will get some of the aid. They will not start a war with the UN. The USA dropping aid will not harm its image. AIR DROP and give the people a chance. Screw the military – lives are at stake. As for RADAR, that is a simple solution. Flood the sky with decoys as well. Spread the military thin. Just get the aid there – NOW.

  53. #316267
    On May 9th, 2008 at 10:18 am, sonofdy said:

    I would disagree, the whole concept of darwinism is that the strongest survive. In burma, only those who can beg steal or kill enough to eat are going to survive. This is classic darwinism. Social darwinism is on a high level such as a villiage or national level, though hitler was talking about races. It has been brought to the level of darwinism because of the actions of burmas military. After all of this theory and flowery language is done, the simple fact is burmesse are going to die by the thousands and there is not a damn thing we can do about it.

  54. #316270
    On May 9th, 2008 at 10:19 am, sonofdy said:

    On-my-soap-box, If only it were that simple.

  55. #316291
    On May 9th, 2008 at 10:34 am, tarpon said:

    Disaster is a way to advance your control over people. All dictators do that.

    Hey wait, didn’t Al Gore just do that as well?

    Air drop guns and ammo, it’s the best solution for the depressed people’s plight.

  56. #316297
    On May 9th, 2008 at 10:36 am, Boomer said:

    On May 9th, 2008 at 10:15 am, On-my-soap-box said:
    As for RADAR, that is a simple solution.

    Actually we have a couple of pieces of ordinance at the military’s disposal that have been developed to deal with any adversary stupid enough to activate a radar system while our Air Forces operate in their airspace. It would be very easy for our forces to operate C-130 and C-17 airdrops from Diego Garcia protected by carrier based FA-18s refueled by a KC-10. But what do I know? I was only a mission planner for the tanker support for the F-117s that launched during Operation Just Cause.

  57. #316306
    On May 9th, 2008 at 10:41 am, khan said:

    #55:

    It’s also a great way of arming the junta. Terrible idea.

  58. #316308
    On May 9th, 2008 at 10:42 am, sgcwi said:

    Changer1701
    Where did you see that at??? I would love to read it.. I am not questioning the validity of it, it’s just I want to soak up what a ruthless women she is. And If she did say that on record then John “I can’t answer a question about illegals” Mcinsane can use this all day long. If she say’s this than what will she say at the next hurricane in the USA. I guess we need to pay the school loans back for her and ossama.
    When the people become REALLY hungry then we will see what will happen. Hopefully they will overthrow the ass’s

  59. #316309
    On May 9th, 2008 at 10:42 am, khan said:

    “Stupid enough to activate a radar system while OUR Air Force operates in THEIR airspace.”

  60. #316311
    On May 9th, 2008 at 10:42 am, sonofdy said:

    Boomer, That would be military action. We would be widely attacked in the world for it. Code pinkos would go nuts. Its not worth it.

  61. #316316
    On May 9th, 2008 at 10:46 am, sgcwi said:

    So Khan I guess we just don’t try because the bad guys can get ome gun’s. So we leave them to die of starvation.
    I would prefer to get a gun ,fight and take a few with me instead of starving to death..
    Why not?? Since you gonna die either way..

  62. #316323
    On May 9th, 2008 at 10:50 am, abstractmind said:

    Folks may not like this, but…
    As much as i try to live by the idea that you should help people when you’re able to do so (a biblical statement, actually)…

    but this is one time, sadly, where we’re not in a position to do so. If talks work, fine. But this is a tough situation. As much as I wouldnt want to walk away from people in need…alternatives (at present) are on short supply.

  63. #316324
    On May 9th, 2008 at 10:51 am, sonofdy said:

    To clarify, I have no problem with going in and taking out burmas dictators, just like I have no problem going into dafur, I simply think the world would attack us for it and its no longer worth our time or effort to do so. I am sick of every good thing we do being attacked and turned into something bad so if the world wants us to stop interfering, fine. That means they lose the hand outs as well. Let them starve. As for the dying, get used to it because if uncle sugar stops being a world power and retrenches, the death toll is going to be huge.

  64. #316325
    On May 9th, 2008 at 10:53 am, Bill Mack said:

    From what I read, the generals are welcoming the relief materials, but not the relief workers. Obviously they don’t want the world to interact with their subjects. That’s annoying.

    Still, they are willing to accept the relief materials. Can we send the food, water and tents without sending a small army of personnel? What good are the high energy biscuts to the dictators unless they deliver them to the people in need?

    I am in favor of isolating the country’s government, but not to the point that people starve.

  65. #316327
    On May 9th, 2008 at 10:54 am, Harris said:

    We could drop food and supplies into the area. We’ve done it before.

  66. #316330
    On May 9th, 2008 at 10:56 am, sonofdy said:

    Bill Mack. Just like numerous other cases, when the military gets this stuff, they give it to the troops first, THEN to only thier hand picked loyal subjects. Either that or the governement sells it to the highest bidder.

  67. #316335
    On May 9th, 2008 at 10:58 am, khan said:

    #61:

    Leave the humanitarian efforts to the humanitarian agencies, not the U.S. military and not at the expense of the American taxpayers.

  68. #316338
    On May 9th, 2008 at 10:59 am, bit_boy said:
    RE #5 : not nearly as bad as the way in which Israel denies fuel and food to the poor oppressed citizens of Gaza!

    Darwin Akbar, any relation to Jalaluddin Muhammad Akbar (answer not required). Since when is Israel responsible for the fuel and food for the citizens of Gaza. The hundreds of millions/7 bn+ in aid from America and EU going to the same is usurped by Hamas/Fetah and so call Palestinian government (not counting the 200 million from Israel..now that’s a lot of briskets). But then the truth is a not commonly available in the Arab world.

  69. #316354
    On May 9th, 2008 at 11:07 am, Harris said:

    Imagine someone says, “America, France does not like you. Germany, Italy, Russia, China, Iran, North Korea, and Venezuela do not like you or the things you do around the world.” Now imagine what your response would be.
    Mine would be, “I don’t really give a damn what you think. All of you can sit back and watch as we do the right thing.”

    There are so many ways that our government pisses money away that make me angry, yet trying to deliver food to starving people in a crappy country doesn’t bother me. Call me crazy.

  70. #316357
    On May 9th, 2008 at 11:09 am, gandolphxx said:

    After watching this crap for 60 years I am no longer convinced that forcing assistance, food, whatever on folks is worth it, actually I think it hurts, they need to resolve their own problems and we don’t need to be involved.

    Most aid to Africa winds up in Swiss bank accounts, the warlords friends and thugs and hurts local farmers.

  71. #316360
    On May 9th, 2008 at 11:11 am, sonofdy said:

    Harris, how many american servicemen are you willing to have die to feed them?
    The nutcase in charge will try to resist us aid because it will come in on c130’s and c17’s. No. I am done with bailing out 3rd world cess pits without getting anything in return.

  72. #316361
    On May 9th, 2008 at 11:12 am, Jim M. said:

    Six days and counting. The deaths from the actions of the rulers of Burma is going to make the cyclone devastion look mild.

    The estimated 1.5 million people in need of immediate aid are in dire straits. Right now, even if the 38 tons of aid currently in country is distributed, that is only enough to feed less than 10% of those who need it. With the devastation from the cyclone, there is basically no food and no potable water for drinking. And it is a certainty that Burma has no medical infrastructure or stores to cope with a disaster of this magnitude. Even if aid shipments are resumed, it will take at least 48 hours to get them flowing in again. We are at six days already. That would be 8 days from the cyclone, and by that time dehydration and starvation will have already taken a toll. In addition, those who were injured and who required basic medical care are now dying of their injuries and will perish at an ever-increasing rate.

    A week after the disaster, disease now has a solid foothold in the country. As more time passes, the mortality rate form disease will begin to quickly eclipse the mortality rate from the cyclone itself.

    Anything the US does unilaterally will be roundly condemned. And unfortunately, actions like food drops will only lead to a military confrontation and loss of American lives.

    This is an opportunity for the UN to show that it is not a useless trade union for the third world. An opportunity to reclaim its intended role in the world theater. Their interim solution? To halt shipments of aid. The UN is passing a sentence of death on over 1 million people. Yet they will do nothing. Better to debate the $1.5 billion renovation of their New York Headquarters than become embroiled in some messy situation half a world away.

    Six days and counting. It is almost to the point that any action from this point forward will be too little and much, much, too late.

  73. #316369
    On May 9th, 2008 at 11:18 am, Sanddog said:

    Some little twit writing for the Asia Times suggests the USA could recover their “tarnished reputation” by taking the country over by force (with UN approval), removing the government and distributing food and aid.

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/JE10Ae01.html

    This is actually a brilliant example of the leftist mind in action. It’s perfectly acceptable to overthrow a government when a natural disaster strikes… but if there is no cyclone or earthquakes, etc… we should sit back and keep our mouths shut when that same government tortures, imprisons and murders its citizens.

  74. #316372
    On May 9th, 2008 at 11:20 am, deadeye said:

    Send in Jimmy Carter, He’ll straighten them out.

  75. #316376
    On May 9th, 2008 at 11:26 am, Harris said:

    Would you pass someone on the street with a flat tire because you would get nothing in return? If someone was being beaten and you could stop it would you walk away? I mean, you may not get anything in return. You need to think about the real issue right now. Each one of those 100,000+ people had names. They all had families. All the ones that will die are people, just like you and me.

    I am glad I was blessed enough to be born in the greatest country in the history of this planet, instead of some hell-hole where getting enough to eat represents the fulfillment of hopes and dreams.

    The cost of helping these people would be a drop in the bucket compared to the pork-barreling and waste our government uses our money for. I would rather it go to keeping people alive than to build some bridge in Alaska or finance some outrageous art exhibit.

    I wish their $#!++Y government had what it takes to provide for its own people, but the reality of thee situation is that it does not. What’s money compared to hundreds of thousands of living people?

  76. #316378
    On May 9th, 2008 at 11:27 am, DirkBelig said:

    Why do I know that the Goreacle will count all the victims of this thugocracy’s starvation plan as being victims of the ManBearPig-enhanced cyclone and demand that we* revert to an agrarian communistic society in order to save the planet?

    * We = Us, not him and his elite fascist pals.

  77. #316379
    On May 9th, 2008 at 11:28 am, xler8bmw said:

    Why haven’t we heard from George Clooney and the kids about this mess?

  78. #316382
    On May 9th, 2008 at 11:28 am, Sanddog said:

    On May 9th, 2008 at 9:21 am, sausage said:

    I think the USA should just air drop the food throughout Burma at this point…

    That would probably be completely ineffective but at least it would make you feel better about yourself, right?

    Now that, my friends, is a hallmark of leftism. The results of any particular action don’t matter nearly as much as the way that action makes us feeeeeeeeeel.

  79. #316386
    On May 9th, 2008 at 11:30 am, sonofdy said:

    Harris, what do we get out of it? We have never gotten anything out of it but scorn and hate. It is not worth it to us any more unless we get something positive out of it. Would you continue to stop for people with flat tires if they made you pay for the tire, stole your wallet, then insulted you for it afterward? No.

  80. #316388
    On May 9th, 2008 at 11:31 am, Sanddog said:

    On May 9th, 2008 at 11:26 am, Harris said:
    What’s money compared to hundreds of thousands of living people?

    Great. That’s the justification that’s been used by every democrat in this country in the last 100 years to take money by force from one citizen and give that money away to someone else.

    Natural disasters don’t somehow make it moral.

  81. #316391
    On May 9th, 2008 at 11:32 am, jamesgreenidge said:

    Feel Good Actions Bails Them Out Of Learning To Fish

    When that tsunami hit that area a few years ago, the international media “suggested” that it was the U.S.’s “responsibility” to set up an expensive tsunami wave warning system – and I haven’t heard of anyone else chjipping in. With every natural disaster, the onus is always on the U.S. to deliver aid as a given and obligation, without any stipulation on the governments concerned to get their act together to see they’re far better prepared for the next event. We’ve seen from New Orleans what happens if you feed someone fish without teaching them how to fish. I hope these governments get the heckling from their response to this natural disaster that Bush got over Katrina (minus accusations of blowing up dikes and weather-control helicopters to punish hard-core Dem city).

    James Greenidge
    Queens NY

  82. #316392
    On May 9th, 2008 at 11:32 am, Harris said:

    The ones we help aren’t the ones who are doing us wrong.

  83. #316393
    On May 9th, 2008 at 11:34 am, khan said:

    Harris, that is such a flawed analogy it isn’t funny. Helping someone with a flat tire is on you; it is your decision to spend your time and/or money on someone else. Aid to another country using the United States military and taxpayer dollars requires the time and resources of OTHERS.

    As I said to someone above, you sure are awfully generous with my money.

  84. #316396
    On May 9th, 2008 at 11:37 am, khan said:

    Can we retire “elitist” as a dirty word? Please? It’s just another class-warfare tool.

    http://www.amazon.com/Defense-Elitism-William-Henry/dp/0385479433/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1196728444&sr=8-1

  85. #316397
    On May 9th, 2008 at 11:38 am, sonofdy said:

    Harris, Are you willing to support a full invasion of Burma with years of occupation duty for the us army with no international help? Because at this point, thats what it would take. NOT WORTH IT. 100,000 plus will die. There is no stoping that now. Sorry to sound heartless but this is the reality of the situation. What do we get out of it?

  86. #316399
    On May 9th, 2008 at 11:41 am, abstractmind said:

    On May 9th, 2008 at 11:26 am, Harris said:
    Would you pass someone on the street with a flat tire because you would get nothing in return? If someone was being beaten and you could stop it would you walk away? I mean, you may not get anything in return.

    No, i wouldnt. and i’ve assisted people in both of those scenarios.
    Decent human beings do that.

    At the same time, if i was going to help a woman change a tire, and her friend was standing there trying to hit me with a tire iron, i might want to let it go. When someone actively prevents you from helping them, what else do you do? Would you take the tire iron away, bludgeon them senseless, and THEN change the tire?

    I just dont think this is a situation that we need to get involved in at this point. Yes, its sad. Yes, we should help. But I don’t believe charging in and giving the old “the calavary has arrived” shout is going to work here.

    And since their government is that tight fisted and corrupt, you realize that anything people do the government doesnt like, they’re going to take it out on these poor people who have lost enough as it is.

  87. #316400
    On May 9th, 2008 at 11:42 am, Harris said:

    I didn’t say invade and occupy. I want to drop supplies in. Maybe the junta’s forces trying to pry food and water from the peoples’ hands will trigger a revolution.

  88. #316401
    On May 9th, 2008 at 11:43 am, Sanddog said:

    On May 9th, 2008 at 11:32 am, Harris said:

    The ones we help aren’t the ones who are doing us wrong.

    We?

    There is nothing stopping you from liquidating your possessions and sending that money to Burma. How about it? Are you willing to give until it hurts?

  89. #316402
    On May 9th, 2008 at 11:43 am, BrianNY said:

    Has anyone noticed that China borders this cesspool of a government? Why aren’t they leading the charge with economic relief?
    Why don’t they pour one million troops across the Burmese border (like they did in 1950 Korea) and clean up this humanitarian crisis themselves?

  90. #316404
    On May 9th, 2008 at 11:45 am, On-my-soap-box said:

    On May 9th, 2008 at 10:58 am, khan said:
    #61:

    Leave the humanitarian efforts to the humanitarian agencies

    In case you have not heard – and by this post I am guessing you have not, the humanitarians are not alowed in either.

    Air drop, jamb RADAR, tell the military to go pack sand. Feed the people and worry about theie military declairing war on us later – like that should worry us.

  91. #316406
    On May 9th, 2008 at 11:51 am, BayStateRepublican said:

    There no doubt that this is a tragic loss of life, unlike what passes for “tragedy” or “crisis” on a slow news day on CNN. We have the resources and ability to help if allowed to, and we should.

    The question in my mind is where do we draw the line? No matter our response, the MSM news anchors will say, “however, critics claim more could be done”.

    Of course more could be done. But is it a Federal role to be ATM to the third world?

    The new media is being used as a tool by one-worlders to drain our treasury every time images of some “crisis” are available, appealing to our righteous instincts to help. Something must be done? Not always.

  92. #316407
    On May 9th, 2008 at 11:52 am, Harris said:

    Sanddog,
    It may be difficult to comprehend, but often the individual posts added on a thread run in a theme, and one post may correspond with another made several minutes, hours, or even days previously.

    For instance, I said this as part of a comment at 11:26 AM:
    “The cost of helping these people would be a drop in the bucket compared to the pork-barreling and waste our government uses our money for. I would rather it go to keeping people alive than to build some bridge in Alaska or finance some outrageous art exhibit.”

    This means that, since I already have to pay taxes like many people on this site, that I would rather it go to saving people than other, more wasteful, uses.

    I wish the people of Bhurma or Myanmar, or whatever it is could enjoy the liberty that I do. Sadly, they can’t even enjoy ‘high-energy biscuits’ right now.

  93. #316408
    On May 9th, 2008 at 11:52 am, DougT said:

    Sanddog #78,

    Some folks from the conservative side are suggesting the same thing as sausage.

    This isn’t about the US or the UN “growing a pair”. This is about the tyranny of the Myanmar “government”.

    Because a cyclone has hit this impoverished nation, NOW we’re supposed to provide aid?

    If the people of Burma mattered to the United States, then we would have done something about their suffering long before the weather got to them.

    Reacting to this human tragedy feels knee-jerk, emotional, not true to our principles. The tragedy in Myanmar has been ongoing for decades, we just haven’t been paying attention.

    And, if we choose to render aid to the people of Myanmar (assuming that the idiots in charge of that country would ever be willing to accept it), then we have begun the trek down a slippery slope of providing aid wherever it is needed.

    If it is ok for the starving in Myanmar, then why not for the starving everywhere, including the USA? (Surely, not all poverty is due to laziness or personally controllable circumstances.)

    Myanmar is a complete affront to western modern sensibilities. But they leave us alone, right? They aren’t a threat.

    So, given that, do we act? Should we act? The answers to these questions shouldn’t be subject to the recent weather conditions.

    I’m not hearless, however. I believe the suggestion to send my own money to relief organizations is a sound one. But for this situation, the US has no business airlifting anything.

  94. #316410
    On May 9th, 2008 at 11:52 am, khan said:

    #90:

    yes, i have heard. that doesn’t change my beliefs. why should it? leave the humanitarian efforts to the humanitarian agencies. it’s a very simple concept. whether they are welcomed or not is beside the point.

    Feed the people…the people who aren’t our citizens and do it with our citizens’ money. No.

  95. #316413
    On May 9th, 2008 at 11:55 am, DougT said:

    heartless, even…sheesh

  96. #316414
    On May 9th, 2008 at 11:56 am, Sanddog said:

    On May 9th, 2008 at 11:52 am, Harris said:

    Sanddog,
    It may be difficult to comprehend, but often the individual posts added on a thread run in a theme, and one post may correspond with another made several minutes, hours, or even days previously.

    It’s obviously difficult for you to comprehend that taking money by force from one person and giving it to another isn’t any less heinous just because YOU approve of it.

  97. #316422
    On May 9th, 2008 at 12:01 pm, changer1701 said:

    Changer1701
    Where did you see that at??? I would love to read it.. I am not questioning the validity of it, it’s just I want to soak up what a ruthless women she is. And If she did say that on record then John “I can’t answer a question about illegals” Mcinsane can use this all day long. If she say’s this than what will she say at the next hurricane in the USA. I guess we need to pay the school loans back for her and ossama.

    You should question its validity…I made it up. A feeble attempt at sarcasm, I know. But, I think its plausible we’ll see a real AP piece like that soon.

  98. #316424
    On May 9th, 2008 at 12:02 pm, hadsil said:

    Paying attention New Orleans? THIS is a government not caring about its citizens.

  99. #316426
    On May 9th, 2008 at 12:03 pm, Harris said:

    Thanks, Hank Reardon. Once again, I have not advocated taking more money in higher taxes. I said it would be better to use our money on people instead of porkbarrel spending and other wasteful uses.

    IT WOULD BE BETTER TO SPEND OUR TAX MONEY ON KEEPING PEOPLE ALIVE THAN TO SPEND IT ON BRIDGES TO NOWHERE IN ALASKA OR ON OUTRAGEOUS WORKS OF SO-CALLED ART.

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