WSJ: FARC and Venezuela even closer than thought
I overlooked this article in the WSJ about ties between Chavez and FARC, thinking that the WSJ’s editorial page had already hashed this out months ago. But it turns out there’s a whole lot of worthwhile stuff. Especially this: the WSJ’s news staff has examined hundreds more of the documents found on the laptops of a dead FARC leader, and finds that Venezuela and narcoterrorists go together like pisco and sour:
The files that have been made public so far have largely confirmed Mr. Chávez’s well-known sympathy for the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, or FARC. But a review by The Wall Street Journal of more than 100 new files from the computers suggests that Venezuela has broader and deeper ties to the FARC than previously known.
These documents indicate Venezuela appears to be making concrete offers to help arm the rebels, possibly with rocket-propelled grenades and ground-to-air missiles. The files suggest that Venezuela offered the FARC the use of one of its ports to receive arms shipments, and that Venezuela raised the prospect of drawing up a joint security plan with the FARC and sought basic training in guerrilla-warfare techniques.
Interestingly, it’s the FARC terrorists who are training Venezuela’s commandos in unconventional warfare, in order to prepare them for that U.S. invasion Chavez knows is coming any day now.
Another point worth noting: though Venezuela and FARC continue to call the info fake, the WSJ has gone to some effort to confirm the accuracy of the data on the laptops. The U.S. intel community seems convinced it’s for real, and in several instances it’s been corroborated (e.g. finding FARC money stashed where the files said it would be). And it’s not just a few people in the Venezuelan government driving this cooperation; it goes clear to the top:
The documents suggest Mr. Chávez is personally involved in helping the guerrillas. In a September 2007 message to the FARC’s ruling body, a commander wrote: “Chávez is studying our documents and has said that just like Fidel [Castro] has decided to delegate his other responsibilities to concentrate on the Venezuelan situation, he [Chávez] is ready to do the same to dedicate more time to Colombia.”
I’ll refer you to the link for speculation on what happens if we designate Venezuela a state sponsor of terrorism (hint: we’ll pine for the good ol’ days of four-dollar-a-gallon gas), but I have to ask: does anyone care about this in regard to the trade agreement with our allies in Colombia that Nancy has tried to scuttle?
Answering my own question, yes: Here’s Mitch McConnell, righteously peeved at Queen Nancy’s stubbornness:
He seems equal parts appalled and amazed that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is holding up the Colombian free trade agreement. “Talk about a no-brainer. Colombian goods come into the United States now virtually duty-free. The only country, from an economic point of view, that benefits from the Colombian free trade agreement is the United States of America, which has not had the same kind of access to Colombia.”
There are strategic issues involved, as well. Mr. McConnell says that Colombia is “our strongest ally in South America, right next door to Hugo Chávez. Democrats are always saying, ‘You don’t have any friends in the world. Nobody respects us anymore.’ Well, here’s a guy (Colombian President Alvaro Uribe) just south of us who does respect us, who’s very pro-American, who’s standing up to Hugo Chávez and what do we want to do? Give him the back of our hand?”
Well, one fifth of it, apparently.
If you’re wondering why I’m exercised about this Colombia thing, here’s why.
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Okay, all I have heard is rumors and speculation that B Hussein Obama’s name may also be associated with this group somehow. If by chance, it is shown to be a fact and not mere speculation, I wonder if that would open any eyes? Worse yet, I think with the support Chavez has gotten from the left, maybe Officer OB (Hussein) Obama(Think Alice’s Restaurant) would actually benefit from it if he were?
What amazes me is how the left seems to believe that they can sit down and talk to murderous thugs and actually accomplish anything. And they wonder why we lose respect in the world opinion? All they have to do is look in the mirror.
The Columbian government has verified the veracity of the statements on the FARC laptop found in the radi..
When you consider Hussein just fired a Hamas lover, he must have a whole bus-load of terrorist buddies and contacts we have yet to discover. That’s character.
I doubt it will have much effect.
Have you noticed, it’s always the Communists who have the revolutions?
I would hate to see it come to that but if it ever did … there is one (almost) consoling thought. The useful idiots have historically always been the first ones lined up against the wall and shot. Once they get into power, they really hate that dissent and protesting.
Dear Mr. Chavez:
We would like to come to some kind of agreement with you about your attacks on the United States and have put together a generous package as compensation for you. Please call 1-800-JDAM for instructions.
Pelosi and others are holding up the Columbia deal partly because Columbia has a habit of murdering labor leaders.
Throw in the State of Massachusetts, and we have a deal.
Just what I wanted to see before breakfast, a picture of Coca Boy ! I don’t think anything new they find will change Oblama’s mind about still wanting to talk with him if he makes POTUS. Remember, dictators are Liberals best friends. Almost role models you might say.
Right you are, spo-con. Think Jimmy Carter and his constant backing up, bent over, to dictators.
Peolsi and the left are holding up the Columbia deal because:
1) They hate the EVIL Bush-Hitler and will do ANYTHING to keep him from having ANY success.
2) Columbia is an ally of the USA, and as such they want to see it fall to Chavez.
Any questions?
Speaking of Jimmah C., theres two ways to go through life, on your feet or on your knees. Choose one.
Sean Penn could not be reached for comment.
Blame President Ford for his executive order banning CIA assassinations of despotic morons like Chavez.
Nancy Pelosi concerned with “labor”.
Now that is funny.
Lgm, Why doesn’t Nancy bug eyes use union labor. I mean she has numerous businesses and vineyards. Why doesn’t she use union labor.
Answer: Because like you, she is a hypocrite.
Lgm, I think it’s hilarious that you are so concerned with Columbia and labor leader, yet I have not heard you be concerned with Chavez and the terrorist organization FARC. Did it ever occur to you that we are never going to be able to give Columbia a chance to improve their relations with labor if Pelosi keeps stalling? Then again I’m just an ignorant, redneck, so what do I know?(sarc/)
LGM did his usual swoop and plop act. Probably won’t be back.
No surprise there really re Chavez.
lgm’s entire existence seems to revolve around trolling this site and making ridiculous unwarranted claims, and never sticking around to respond to them or back them up.
What lgm often achieves though is to distract comments away from the actual subject of the post, which is quite possibly his/her goal, at least in part.
Would love a troll filter on here.
Its like the old joke, LGM’s mom tied a pork chop around his neck so the dog would play with em’. Now he just wanders the Net……..
Well it worked for the VietCong, the scary part in all of this. So far we’re fighting people who don’t care if they live or die, because if you die, you get the ladies, even though they never mention where these ladies came from? Do they rock veils and full body costumes? Who’s the Madam? And now we’ll be fighting people who dig tunnels and sit and wait for an ambush. That must be some sticky icky crude in the land of Chavez.
JHSII (#9)
One question: where’s your evidence? Are you accusing the Speaker of the House of treason based on a right wing fantasy?
lgm demands evidence!!!! ROTFLMAO
When was the last time lgm ever gave any evidence to support his left-wing fantasies, huh?
corrected: When has lgm ever given any evidence to support his left-wing fantasies?
Stay away from the Cool-Aid, lgm - it’s bad for you.
Free citizens do not need to meet the same burden of proof as a court of law to make accusations. However, thinking of Pelosi as a traitor in spirit if not in the eyes of the law is very well supported by her record in the house. She is at the head of the pack of Democrats who constantly repeat lies, that they damn well know are lies, about our president, our country and our military, that do great harm to our image abroad and provide comfort and moral support to our enemies. Lies such as calling perfectly legal and morally correct surveillance programs illegal and immoral, lies about the legal and humane detention facility at Gitmo, misrepresentations about Iraq’s WMD capabilities and the justifications for war, and a whole laundry list of other liberal causes. To lie about your country, for your own political gain, in a way that undeniably harms its goals abroad, is morally equivalent to treason.
#19 lgm said:
1. Pelosi visited Syria against the wishes of the President and the State Department. Syria is on the State Department’s current list of “terror-sponsoring nations.” The current Syrian regime kills not only labor leaders, but a portion of their population who oppose the current regime.
2. President Uribe of Colombia has done more to suppress domestic terror than any previous Colombian administration. In fact:
Based upon the despicable human rights record of the current Syrian regime, the documented anti-terror results of the Uribe government and Pelosi’s backwards treatment of both, it is clear that Nancy Pelosi is either woefully ignorant of the facts, or she understands them full well. If the latter is true, she appears to exhibit a treasonous behavior towards this particular Administration’s foreign policy objectives, and the national interests of our Nation in general.
Also, Colombia has been extraditing some of those right-wing paramilitary/drug traffickers that American leftists always accuse them of collaborating with. (Saw the link in the WSJ, no time just now to go back for it)
Their human rights record isn’t perfect, but they’re serious about working with us.
If lgm doesn’t understand what BrianNY said… I’ll make it easy on him/her/whatever…….. I accuse her!
#23 see-dubya said:
Agreed. But lgm was asking for an example of treason. If Pelosi uses her political capital to travel, meet with and strengthen the positioning of a regime which seeks our destruction, (Syria) while downplaying the constructive actions, publicly humiliating the leader, and withholding trade relations with an entire country which seeks us as a global partner, (Colombia) then I classify this as treason. She is openly frustrating the national interests of our Nation in her attempts to score political shots against this current Administration.
It’s the same thing that the Democrat leadership practiced in the 1980s by inviting Ortega up to DC for black tie dinners while President Reagan was exposing the Nicaraguan leader for inviting Soviet influence into the Western Hemisphere.
Socialism is a disease.
Liberalism is a disease.
lgm is an idiot.
End of story.
And partly because they want socialism here and Hugo can help them on that.
Let me try channelling LGM.
Well the evil Bushchennyhaliburton is backing the columbians who still have occasional labour violence. It’s no wonder that Chavez, with his record of seizing power for himself for the good of the people is supporting those heroic freedom fighters. Why look at the order Hezbola is bringing to Lebanon!
Ok, got to lay down now, that made me kind of ill.
Amazing, those with BDS hail Chavez as a hero of freedom. Good grief.
lgm…i thought she already did that in Syria?
For the record, Colombia’s government has no record of murdering labor union leaders. But leftists, like LGM and ignorant Obama, like to engage in that slander.
LGM’s and Obama’s friends in the FARC, on the other hand, are another story - FARC has a long record of murdering labor union leaders. Raul Reyes, the FARC thug who was blown away on March 1, was a specialist in infiltrating and destroying labor unions from within.
Someone acting as a go-between, between FARC and the Obama camp, probably one Jim Jones, (who claims to be an academic and has ties to Rep. Jim McGovern), gleefully passed along the secret news to FARC’s Raul Reyes that Obama would cut off Colombia free trade and US military aid to Colombia, something that would directly benefit FARC and encourage them to hold out and wait for Obama’s election. Obama has yet to tell the American people what he intends to do about Colombia military aid and I wish some reporter would ask him. Already, FARC has the word that he’s cutting Colombia off. Maybe the voters should have the word, too.
By the way, LGM, you might learn to spell Colombia seeing you think you know so much about it.
I am accusing her of treason cause she went against the will of the administration who run the overseas affairs of this country by doing just Jimmy Cater did and meeting with known terrorist. Keep posting lgm you are living proof why liberals ignorant or too lazy to open their eyes and see the forest cause of the trees. Just like your buddy Pelosi you are dumb enough to believe whatever a bloodthirsty, power hungery tyrant tells you. If i was you i would stop listening to the ” Dan Rather ” talking points and learn some history.
The shape of our Democrat future are pretty clear: Bad guys win
Everywhere. Good guys put their Heads in the Sand. Like a pretty boy in prison, the USA gets more popular. France loves us again. Democrats hold all future conventions in Frisco and Berkeley. And maybe Michigan to prove their Dhimmitude is unsurpassed.
As for economic matters, Depression is its best description. With luck this time they could end up owning a majority of the homes in the USA — a veritable HUD wetdream. Imagine all the Democrats that could fill up all those houses working those Union jobs proteted by Tariffs and voting forever more as Democrats…. Yummy.
Heinlein’s crack about the US and USSR crossing paths is proved true.
If you really want to get technical about Pelosi and treason, about 99% of today’s Congress could be impeached for violating the Constitution, if anyone there remembers what it is and that oath they took, if they can remember that too.
lgm #19…….
There are several ways to wake you up from your coma-induced Kool-Aid. Just came across Michael Ramirez cartoon portrayal of Nancy “Stretch” Pelosi stand. Here’s the link:
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IMAGES/CARTOONS/toon041408.gif
….a pix is better than a thousand liberal rants.
Rio
Semper Fi!
You are so right graysonret….
Here is the link
And you are surprised because…..???
This guy tried to overthrow the government by violent means, etc., etc., etc. He was a known narco leftist from day one.
Lies, all lies…. Blub..blub..blub
Sorry my inner-leftie tried to get out, But I water boarded him and everything is back to normal
I live in the region and can speak from first hand experience on this issue. This article shows that it was written by someone who does not understand what is going on here in the region
1. Uribe has clearly uncovered the true narco-trafficking business of the FARC and many who were sympathetic to their “revolutionary” and socio-economic causes no longer support them.
2. Columbia is safer now than any time in recent memory. The general population know that FARC is a dying group and fully support its demise.
3. Perceived logistics support for the FARC from Venezuela/Bolivia/Ecuador is really far fetched for several reasons
a) Ecuador and Venezuela regularly destroy FARC compounds in the jungle when found
b) Ecuador/Venezuela capture more drug and weapon shipments than Colombia.
c) Prior to the assassination of Reyes, Ecuador and Venezuela had captured and handed over to Colombia high ranking FARC officers. Does not sound like collusion to me.
d) In Ecuador the president has removed all officers who were thought or proven to be aiding the FARC or withholding information on the FARC from the intelligence community.
e)FARC is the operator of a multi-billion dollar drug enterprise and generates interest from all over the world. There was a great expose a few months ago showing that most of the FARC weapons captured were made by the US and China. Does this prove that these goverments are supporting the FARC too? No, it means that the black market is rolling in narco dollars
I do not believe that the files on the laptop themselves are made up and it is true that the accuracy some of the information has be confirmed with findings of money and weapons. Some of the entries used by Uribe as proof of foreign support of the FARC are clear hearsay and must be verified before treated as fact.
We must also remember that we cannot patrol nor contain our open border with Mexico, how would one expect the same from countries in heavy jungle terrain. Brasil, Ecuador and Venezuela do not label the FARC as a terrorist organization but the question should be asked on how they treat them.
I will throw in my two pesos worth.
The first is that the issue as to whether there is logistical support for the FARC from Venezuela depends a lot on what you mean by “logistical”. The Farc is able to operate freely inside Venezuela’s border areas with Colombia. No one knows yet how far Chavez was willing to go in overtly helping the FARC in terms of providing weapons and cash…certainly, the FARC perceived that they were receiving this support.
The accuracy of the FARC’s perceptions must be assessed against those contents that are independently verifiable. On that score, Venezuela’s Globovision last night had a very interesting documentary in which they compared correspondence found on the computer with events occurring publically before and after the dates on the correspondence. There was a high degree of correlation in what they found, for what it’s worth.
That said, another extremely interesting item which I haven’t seen yet in the english language press appears in this week’s Semana magazine. In 2004 a number of Venezuelan soldiers, who were accompanying some engineers for Venezuela’s national oil company were ambushed. Six soldiers and an engineer were killed.
At the time, Chavez placed the blame on Colombian paramilitaries operating clandestinely inside Venezuela. A fair number of reporters interviewed local residents and were told that the FARC was in the area and had done this, but the received wisdom remained that this was paramilitaries (not hard to believe after all…they were/are brutal thugs as well).
The Semana article reveals correspondence among the FARC that, in fact, it was they who attacked the soldiers, that Chavez knew it and that the issue was how to cover this up. Chavez was upset by the killings, but chose to not blame the FARC, to deal with matters prudently and politically and to effectively cover up the murder of Venezuelans inside Venezuela by the FARC for his own political purposes. In fact, it seems that it was out of this incident that the FARC seems to have demanded more coordination with Venezuelan troops so as to avoid similar situations in the future.
Given that Chavez would cover up the murder of his own troops and workers from his own oil company, it is evident that he is willing to go a long way to help the FARC. That is why, even in the absence of concrete evidence 8at least publically available concrete evidence) it is not unreasonable to conclude, or at least fear, that the expectations of the FARC are well placed.
A final quick point to Supersean is that I disagree that Ecuador and Venezuela have been handing over high level FARCs to Colombia. Ecuador used to, but prior to Correa’s election. Since then, nothing. In fact, two Colombians injured in the bombardment of Raul Reyes’ camp last march have not been returned to Colombia as requested…this morning in El Tiempo it is reported that they have been sent to Nicaragua where they have been granted political asylum.
As for Venezuela, no one has recently been handed over. A year and a half ago Colombia abducted Rodrigo Granda from Caracas and this created a diplomatic incident. “Ivan Marquez”, a member of the FARC Secretariat lives openly in Venezuela and the brother of “Mono Jojoy”, also a leader of the FARC “Frente” (he’s called “Granobles” has a large farm in Venezuela where it has been suspected that, in the past, some hostages have been held.
There is no cooperation.
Blaise,
Thanks for the detailed reply.
I agree with your first point that in Venezuela there is more of a moral support for the FARC from the Chavez government but there has been no proven support for either freedom of movement or safe haven. One can say that there is free movement by the FARC on the Colombian border with Venezuela. True Colombia gave Venezuela the coordinates to but there was noone home (rumor was that he was tipped off)
I don’t know if you have been in the brush down there but patrols in the border areas require substantial resources that neither Colombia or the “facilitating countries” Ecuador Venezuela, Ecuador and Brasil have.
This takes me to a point I neglected in my first post. The Reyes laptops also provided the Brasilian and Ecuadorian governments with information that led to the destruction of some of the largest FARC drug manufacturing and weapons storage facilities. Colombia had intel about these locations but had not shared it with either country. Brasil has recently found substantial FARC encampments that had been there for some time but I see no press saying President Lula is also in cahoots with the FARC.
That does not mean that I am 100% sure that Chavez is not facilitating these movements (or any other type of assistance) it is just that this poorly written article makes it sound like there is a smoking gun for the support from Venezuela government to the FARC. Many of the documents show corrupt lower officers accepting bribes and Ecuador did indeed recently purge all of the officers who were caught up in this.
Again I agree with your assessment that not much on this topic is in the English new or even published within news organizations with a internet presence.
The last time I was in Bogota I saw a great bumpersticker that roughly translates in English to
“A bullet for those who are a member or support via any means the FARC”
I could not agree more. And for anyone here who think that Chavez is a man of the people, it is truly heart wrenching to see that Chavez uses the billions made off of oil revenues for the good of his henchmen not the citizens of Venezuela. The poverty and the croneyism that exist is mindboggling
Supersean … you sound like a Cuban agent of influence trying to get your big man out of trouble. If you´re not that you do a great imitation. Who do you work for … Fenton Communications¿ Or some other front? You´re very devoted.
Cuban intelligence doctrine maintains that an agent of influence should always badmouth the dictator he´s defending a little in order to not be identified as a shill. Credibility in hand, he then proceeds to defend the dictator on the one thing that has his ass in the wringer, which in this case, is the obvious farc involvement of chavez and not just moral support as in the disinformation you are trying to spread but in real support, money, cash, the stuff that enables farc to always turn up with new weapòns and venezuelan id cards. That kind of support. Chavez´s agenda right now is to dissociate himself BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY with those farc documents which implicate him severely. He´s got his Cuban’trained shills out saying it´s just moral, not physical support, Like you. But the evidence is too damning and will force the US to cut off oil sales to this very obvious state sponsor of terror who gives a hell of a lot more than moral support to farc terror.
So, the agents of influence go to work, trying to mouth the party line that the documents prove nothing, the documents are fake, the whole thing is a scam. On top of this, you try to convey that you know so much more than other people. Figures.
Listen up, Castroman … as one who knows both Solomon and de Cordoba personally, I can tell you you are right that Solomon is a dimwit and probably didn´t even make it to Bogota. He is a washington guy who works those circuits and probably got the leak from us intel officials.
De Cordoba is another story, a brilliant journalist who knows the region like the back of his hand, has lived there longer than you have, asked more questions, experienced more events and just plain knows more than you do. Don´t mess with de Cordoba, he is seriously good and way above your league. Your facile claim to know more about Colombia than de Cordoba makes you look really stupid. It also makes me question that you are living in Colombia as you claim you are. You really get it wrong when you slander de Cordoba as not knowing the area. It´s you who doesn´t know the area … where do you live, a bubble? The Journal did a solid job with this reporting which is why its impact was so huge.
Supersean… I find it passing strange that someone who claims expertise on Colombia and insists he lives in the region literally cannot spell that country´s name correctly. Some expertise.
To refute your nonsense point by point:
*****a) Ecuador and Venezuela regularly destroy FARC compounds in the jungle when found
PURE BALONEY. There are dozens of farc camps in both countries, they remain there and new documents show chavez providing rest and recreatio for tired farc guerrillas. marulanda lives in one such compound as does mono jojoy, two guys you´ve never heard of, i´m sure.
****b) Ecuador/Venezuela capture more drug and weapon shipments than Colombia.
BZZZT, UTTERLY WRONG. Colombia intercepted 4000 tons. Venezuela intercepted none. Venezuela protects drug traffickers, for a price.
****c) Prior to the assassination of Reyes, Ecuador and Venezuela had captured and handed over to Colombia high ranking FARC officers. Does not sound like collusion to me.
NAME ONE. Once again, you are a flaming liar and lie facilely and draw claims out of the air. Your claims are pure disinformation to get the rightwingers to think the farc files aren´t worth their while to study. that benefits your master in caracas.
****d) In Ecuador the president has removed all officers who were thought or proven to be aiding the FARC or withholding information on the FARC from the intelligence community.
BZZZT, WRONG AGAIN. The Farc documents show that correa was protecting farc camps and helpfully offered to remove officers who tried to chase out farc. it´s all in documents, you disinformationist.
****e)FARC is the operator of a multi-billion dollar drug enterprise and generates interest from all over the world. There was a great expose a few months ago showing that most of the FARC weapons captured were made by the US and China. Does this prove that these goverments are supporting the FARC too? No, it means that the black market is rolling in narco dollars
BZZZT, WRONG AGAIN. Most farc weapons are russian’made and have some origin in cuba.
****Some of the entries used by Uribe as proof of foreign support of the FARC are clear hearsay and must be verified before treated as fact.
BZZZZT, WRONG AGAIN. President Uribe has a record of telling the truth, time and time and time again. You on the other hand … don´t.
Cripes, you aren´t even good at this.
#44 Velveta
There is no reason other than hate & spite in your 2 posts. I have lived here in South America more years than you have the ability to count.
No I am not a Cuban agent but it seems that you seem hell bend on accusing someone who you perceive to differ with your opinion which in OCS I was taught is a classic KGB tactic. Are you trolling here for the Ruskies?.
And BTW where did you cite the “facts” you mention in your post…. nowhere.
The point of my two posts (which you are too dense to understand)is that we need further proof to collaborate the collusion NOTHING MORE. If we overlook the assistance we are actually getting from the region and continue to alienate those who DO support us, those who advocate against US presence and interests in the region will only further fuel their arguments.
Stick to trolling the internets to look for flamewars and swabbing the decks in Langley.
BTW Velveeta does Simón Trinidad ring a bell?
Superdick: My name is Vivita, not Velveeta. Though the fact that you are only familiar with trailer trash food items and not Spanish nicknames tells me a lot. Kind of like your idea that Colombia has a ‘u’ in it.
No, you don’t know what you are talking about, Simón Trinidad has nothing to do with what you’re saying and your claims that the FARC documents are not authentic are pure Cuban propaganda. Just as your pals in FARC, Cuba and Caracas also believe. Maybe you should go to the CIPCOL site where that’s the party line and you’d feel at home.
The only reason you avoid addressing my issues is that you have been caught in flaming lies and are in no position to respond, supersean. Your dog dropping on Ecuador in particular was a real whopper.