No, you don’t know what you are talking about, Simón Trinidad has nothing to do with what you’re saying and your claims that the FARC documents are not authentic are pure Cuban propaganda. Just as your pals in FARC, Cuba and Caracas also believe. Maybe you should go to the CIPCOL site where that’s the party line and you’d feel at home.

There is no reason other than hate & spite in your 2 posts. I have lived here in South America more years than you have the ability to count.

No I am not a Cuban agent but it seems that you seem hell bend on accusing someone who you perceive to differ with your opinion which in OCS I was taught is a classic KGB tactic. Are you trolling here for the Ruskies?.

And BTW where did you cite the “facts” you mention in your post…. nowhere.

The point of my two posts (which you are too dense to understand)is that we need further proof to collaborate the collusion NOTHING MORE. If we overlook the assistance we are actually getting from the region and continue to alienate those who DO support us, those who advocate against US presence and interests in the region will only further fuel their arguments.

Stick to trolling the internets to look for flamewars and swabbing the decks in Langley.

To refute your nonsense point by point:

*****a) Ecuador and Venezuela regularly destroy FARC compounds in the jungle when found

PURE BALONEY. There are dozens of farc camps in both countries, they remain there and new documents show chavez providing rest and recreatio for tired farc guerrillas. marulanda lives in one such compound as does mono jojoy, two guys you´ve never heard of, i´m sure.

****b) Ecuador/Venezuela capture more drug and weapon shipments than Colombia.

BZZZT, UTTERLY WRONG. Colombia intercepted 4000 tons. Venezuela intercepted none. Venezuela protects drug traffickers, for a price.

****c) Prior to the assassination of Reyes, Ecuador and Venezuela had captured and handed over to Colombia high ranking FARC officers. Does not sound like collusion to me.

NAME ONE. Once again, you are a flaming liar and lie facilely and draw claims out of the air. Your claims are pure disinformation to get the rightwingers to think the farc files aren´t worth their while to study. that benefits your master in caracas.

****d) In Ecuador the president has removed all officers who were thought or proven to be aiding the FARC or withholding information on the FARC from the intelligence community.

BZZZT, WRONG AGAIN. The Farc documents show that correa was protecting farc camps and helpfully offered to remove officers who tried to chase out farc. it´s all in documents, you disinformationist.

****e)FARC is the operator of a multi-billion dollar drug enterprise and generates interest from all over the world. There was a great expose a few months ago showing that most of the FARC weapons captured were made by the US and China. Does this prove that these goverments are supporting the FARC too? No, it means that the black market is rolling in narco dollars

BZZZT, WRONG AGAIN. Most farc weapons are russian’made and have some origin in cuba.

****Some of the entries used by Uribe as proof of foreign support of the FARC are clear hearsay and must be verified before treated as fact.

BZZZZT, WRONG AGAIN. President Uribe has a record of telling the truth, time and time and time again. You on the other hand … don´t.

Cripes, you aren´t even good at this.

Cuban intelligence doctrine maintains that an agent of influence should always badmouth the dictator he´s defending a little in order to not be identified as a shill. Credibility in hand, he then proceeds to defend the dictator on the one thing that has his ass in the wringer, which in this case, is the obvious farc involvement of chavez and not just moral support as in the disinformation you are trying to spread but in real support, money, cash, the stuff that enables farc to always turn up with new weapòns and venezuelan id cards. That kind of support. Chavez´s agenda right now is to dissociate himself BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY with those farc documents which implicate him severely. He´s got his Cuban’trained shills out saying it´s just moral, not physical support, Like you. But the evidence is too damning and will force the US to cut off oil sales to this very obvious state sponsor of terror who gives a hell of a lot more than moral support to farc terror.

So, the agents of influence go to work, trying to mouth the party line that the documents prove nothing, the documents are fake, the whole thing is a scam. On top of this, you try to convey that you know so much more than other people. Figures.

Listen up, Castroman … as one who knows both Solomon and de Cordoba personally, I can tell you you are right that Solomon is a dimwit and probably didn´t even make it to Bogota. He is a washington guy who works those circuits and probably got the leak from us intel officials.

De Cordoba is another story, a brilliant journalist who knows the region like the back of his hand, has lived there longer than you have, asked more questions, experienced more events and just plain knows more than you do. Don´t mess with de Cordoba, he is seriously good and way above your league. Your facile claim to know more about Colombia than de Cordoba makes you look really stupid. It also makes me question that you are living in Colombia as you claim you are. You really get it wrong when you slander de Cordoba as not knowing the area. It´s you who doesn´t know the area … where do you live, a bubble? The Journal did a solid job with this reporting which is why its impact was so huge.

Thanks for the detailed reply.

I agree with your first point that in Venezuela there is more of a moral support for the FARC from the Chavez government but there has been no proven support for either freedom of movement or safe haven. One can say that there is free movement by the FARC on the Colombian border with Venezuela. True Colombia gave Venezuela the coordinates to but there was noone home (rumor was that he was tipped off)

I don’t know if you have been in the brush down there but patrols in the border areas require substantial resources that neither Colombia or the “facilitating countries” Ecuador Venezuela, Ecuador and Brasil have.

This takes me to a point I neglected in my first post. The Reyes laptops also provided the Brasilian and Ecuadorian governments with information that led to the destruction of some of the largest FARC drug manufacturing and weapons storage facilities. Colombia had intel about these locations but had not shared it with either country. Brasil has recently found substantial FARC encampments that had been there for some time but I see no press saying President Lula is also in cahoots with the FARC.

That does not mean that I am 100% sure that Chavez is not facilitating these movements (or any other type of assistance) it is just that this poorly written article makes it sound like there is a smoking gun for the support from Venezuela government to the FARC. Many of the documents show corrupt lower officers accepting bribes and Ecuador did indeed recently purge all of the officers who were caught up in this.

Again I agree with your assessment that not much on this topic is in the English new or even published within news organizations with a internet presence.

The last time I was in Bogota I saw a great bumpersticker that roughly translates in English to

“A bullet for those who are a member or support via any means the FARC”

I could not agree more. And for anyone here who think that Chavez is a man of the people, it is truly heart wrenching to see that Chavez uses the billions made off of oil revenues for the good of his henchmen not the citizens of Venezuela. The poverty and the croneyism that exist is mindboggling

The first is that the issue as to whether there is logistical support for the FARC from Venezuela depends a lot on what you mean by “logistical”. The Farc is able to operate freely inside Venezuela’s border areas with Colombia. No one knows yet how far Chavez was willing to go in overtly helping the FARC in terms of providing weapons and cash…certainly, the FARC perceived that they were receiving this support.

The accuracy of the FARC’s perceptions must be assessed against those contents that are independently verifiable. On that score, Venezuela’s Globovision last night had a very interesting documentary in which they compared correspondence found on the computer with events occurring publically before and after the dates on the correspondence. There was a high degree of correlation in what they found, for what it’s worth.

That said, another extremely interesting item which I haven’t seen yet in the english language press appears in this week’s Semana magazine. In 2004 a number of Venezuelan soldiers, who were accompanying some engineers for Venezuela’s national oil company were ambushed. Six soldiers and an engineer were killed.

At the time, Chavez placed the blame on Colombian paramilitaries operating clandestinely inside Venezuela. A fair number of reporters interviewed local residents and were told that the FARC was in the area and had done this, but the received wisdom remained that this was paramilitaries (not hard to believe after all…they were/are brutal thugs as well).

The Semana article reveals correspondence among the FARC that, in fact, it was they who attacked the soldiers, that Chavez knew it and that the issue was how to cover this up. Chavez was upset by the killings, but chose to not blame the FARC, to deal with matters prudently and politically and to effectively cover up the murder of Venezuelans inside Venezuela by the FARC for his own political purposes. In fact, it seems that it was out of this incident that the FARC seems to have demanded more coordination with Venezuelan troops so as to avoid similar situations in the future.

Given that Chavez would cover up the murder of his own troops and workers from his own oil company, it is evident that he is willing to go a long way to help the FARC. That is why, even in the absence of concrete evidence 8at least publically available concrete evidence) it is not unreasonable to conclude, or at least fear, that the expectations of the FARC are well placed.

A final quick point to Supersean is that I disagree that Ecuador and Venezuela have been handing over high level FARCs to Colombia. Ecuador used to, but prior to Correa’s election. Since then, nothing. In fact, two Colombians injured in the bombardment of Raul Reyes’ camp last march have not been returned to Colombia as requested…this morning in El Tiempo it is reported that they have been sent to Nicaragua where they have been granted political asylum.

As for Venezuela, no one has recently been handed over. A year and a half ago Colombia abducted Rodrigo Granda from Caracas and this created a diplomatic incident. “Ivan Marquez”, a member of the FARC Secretariat lives openly in Venezuela and the brother of “Mono Jojoy”, also a leader of the FARC “Frente” (he’s called “Granobles” has a large farm in Venezuela where it has been suspected that, in the past, some hostages have been held.

There is no cooperation.

1. Uribe has clearly uncovered the true narco-trafficking business of the FARC and many who were sympathetic to their “revolutionary” and socio-economic causes no longer support them.

2. Columbia is safer now than any time in recent memory. The general population know that FARC is a dying group and fully support its demise.

3. Perceived logistics support for the FARC from Venezuela/Bolivia/Ecuador is really far fetched for several reasons

a) Ecuador and Venezuela regularly destroy FARC compounds in the jungle when found
b) Ecuador/Venezuela capture more drug and weapon shipments than Colombia.
c) Prior to the assassination of Reyes, Ecuador and Venezuela had captured and handed over to Colombia high ranking FARC officers. Does not sound like collusion to me.
d) In Ecuador the president has removed all officers who were thought or proven to be aiding the FARC or withholding information on the FARC from the intelligence community.
e)FARC is the operator of a multi-billion dollar drug enterprise and generates interest from all over the world. There was a great expose a few months ago showing that most of the FARC weapons captured were made by the US and China. Does this prove that these goverments are supporting the FARC too? No, it means that the black market is rolling in narco dollars

I do not believe that the files on the laptop themselves are made up and it is true that the accuracy some of the information has be confirmed with findings of money and weapons. Some of the entries used by Uribe as proof of foreign support of the FARC are clear hearsay and must be verified before treated as fact.

We must also remember that we cannot patrol nor contain our open border with Mexico, how would one expect the same from countries in heavy jungle terrain. Brasil, Ecuador and Venezuela do not label the FARC as a terrorist organization but the question should be asked on how they treat them.

Sorry my inner-leftie tried to get out, But I water boarded him and everything is back to normal

This guy tried to overthrow the government by violent means, etc., etc., etc. He was a known narco leftist from day one.

Here is the link

One question: where’s your evidence? Are you accusing the Speaker of the House of treason based on a right wing fantasy?

There are several ways to wake you up from your coma-induced Kool-Aid. Just came across Michael Ramirez cartoon portrayal of Nancy “Stretch” Pelosi stand. Here’s the link:
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IMAGES/CARTOONS/toon041408.gif
….a pix is better than a thousand liberal rants.
Rio
Semper Fi!