McCain and La Raza/The Race: A “serious lapse of judgment”
The open-borders media has been AWOL on John McCain’s decision to speak to the radical racialist group, La Raza/The Race in July. He has been allowed to skate on the issue in several recent sit-down interviews. Many of the same pundits who blasted Barack Obama for his ties to the radical racialist Jeremiah Wright have nothing to say about McCain’s longtime association with the shamnesty-pushing, sovereignty-undermining, publicly-subsidized shakedown artists of La Raza/The Race.
Not everyone’s looking the other way. Editorial page editor Colin McNickle at the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review warned today:
“McCain had made significant progress in reaching out to conservatives over the last month or so. But his La Raza embrace is a serious lapse of judgment, one of a number of lapses that, if the primaries are a valid indicator, could lead to a full quarter of the Republican electorate staying home on Nov. 4.”
Guess McCain’s counting on all his left-wing global warming fear-mongering friends to make up the difference.
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#90, what you are showing us is 1938 German thinking for supporting Hitler.
Whatever reasons you have don’t make it right.
# 96
“who is America’s oldest enemy?”
“the russians?”
“before that!”
“the germans?”
“before that!”
“the germans, again?”
“BEFORE THAT!!”
dude, you have got to realize the revolution is over …
/sigh
# 100
annnd, godwin’s law is proven yet again …
I knew you were illiterate onthe subject, but not THAT BADLY:
BOTH Punk and McNASTY were his own high school NICKNAMES, as acknowledged by HIM to LEFTWING MEDIA INTERVIEWS in April ‘08 - I think one was to Diane Sawyer. MAJOR NEWS EVENTS.
In BOTH CASES, he acknowledged they were given him for HIS OWN PREDILECTION for refusing authority, and scorning good marks.
Those attitudes were well documented in his military schooling and early military career, as well.
The nicknames WERE NOT GIVEN TO HIM BY HIS TEACHERS.
I cannot remember a kid we called names like that on account of their ability to irritate the TEACHERS AND ADMINISTRATION.
These names made it to his YEARBOOKS.
His acknowledgement of them in the interviews seemed to be marked by PRIDE - but THAT is a subjective opinion on my part.
I find that in my own opinion, it takes more than MERELY BEING A POW by reason of having one’s plane shot from under oneself, to be called an American Hero.
Now, Audie Murphy stood on a burning tank and killed hundreds of Germans, while standing in full view of hundreds of them, until he was burned himself so badly he could no longer stand onthe burning tank, to rescue his comrads in arms who were exposed to many enemy dangers.
Alvin C. York took command of a situation and cleaned out several machine gun nests, and rescued hundreds of his comrads who were exposed to fire from them.
Eddie Ablert rescued hundreds of American GIs from the beach at a Pacific Island battleground, while under fire, as a MEDIC. Tyrone Powers flew supplies to such American GIS who were under fire, and flew out their wounded, under very dangerous battlefield conditions, and hundreds of other Hollywood Actors and Actresses performed such similar acts of bravery UNDER FIRE during WW2.
McCain wasn’t performing such acts of bravery when he got himself shot down, and he did what most folks would do under the circumstances. It was a harrowing experience, I am sure.
I am sorry that such an experience as the Hanoi Hilton comes into the life of ANY human being.
But it doesn’t earn McCain the Presidency of the USA.
One of my teachers went through 9 years of the German concentration camps, and lost his entire family there. Later, his wife’s flower shop in Beruit was bombed, and she was in it at the time.
Now, he showed signs of positive genius. If I could have voted for HIM as President of the USA by virture of his time spent at Auschwitz, I certainly would have done so. But there was a certain comprehension of things in his eyes that I am sorry, John McCain simply doesn’t register.
One of my best friends was with the first troops to Dachau - they were infantry troops, and walked there, smelling the place, walking into the wind, the last 6 miles - and still arriving there before anyone had opened the gates, so all the people were pressed against the barbed wire fences when he arrived - the people in back still too desperate to be able to resist, knowing what they were doing to the ones one the front line at the fences.
HE won’t vote for McCain, nor anyone in his family, either, I guarantee you.
Neither will my aunt and her children, this close after the death of her husband who was on the Missouri from Pearl Harbor til the Treaty with Japan was signed as the Missori stood by, with him on deck.
“who was on the Missouri from Pearl Harbor”
now I KNOW yer full of crap — the Missouri wasn’t even commissioned until ‘44 …
RE: #96
Hey Roo, what are you reffering to?
#102 - you keep repeating the same mistakes. It ain’t about the Germans or Hitler - it is about KNOWING YOU ARE ON THE WRONG ROAD and MAKING EXCUSES for it instead of SIMPLY ST OPPING and REFUSING to do what is WRONG, no matter WHAT reasons you tell yourself you have for it.
Everyone knows that few SAW what Hitler was going to do - but they knew he was WRONG - they KNEW he was propagandizing HATRED. And they didn’t stop it.
YOU know that McCain is shifting the country to the LEFT - towards SOCIALISM - WRONG.
And you’d rather go along than LOSE AN ELECTION. How shallow. There is far more at stake here than whether your “party” wins power in the elections.
At some point, you have to care what is happening to your communities.
NOBODY who votes for McCAIN can be putting their own communities FIRST.
Some may be trying to buy time, but that is the best they are hoping for.
Like someone who is hoping there is enough time between 1938 and December 7, 1941.
# 106 l2r
unfortunately someone messes with the post nos. from time to time and a post gets added to the thread and the numbers advance[!] For the posts in the 90s and early 100s, add one to what I wrote and that should get to the original post I was referring to …
Buckaroo,
she could have ment her husband wasn’t assigned to the Missouri until the ship voyage from Pearl Harbor, Hawaii in 1945 until he entered Tokyo Bay in 1945….be careful
RE: 108
Ok
“YOU know that McCain is shifting the country to the LEFT - towards SOCIALISM”
WRONG! JSM actually would liek to see the markets rule — that’s actually capitalism — and, frankly, like the wsj editorial board, it clouds his mind a bit and hence he doesn’t take a hard enough line to your liking re: illegals — ergo you demonize the man to the point of absurdity …
#103.
My uncle was on the Missouri - and “After” meant as opposed to some other period in history, He was at Pearl Harbor between commissions when Pearl Harbor happened, and was given odd assignments until the Missouri. When he was given THAT one, he stayed with it until after the Treaty with Japan was signed. He never forgot for a single day how close he came to being one of the many Pearl Harbor casualties. His shipboard assignments meant he would have been below decks and never would have known what had hit him.
That is a long version, I tried to abbreviate it by simply saying “After Pearl”.
My uncle was NAVY, and never felt that McCain showed proper respect for Veterans, or Active military, too busy brown-nosing the Kennedy/Hanoi John crowd.
Our dislike of McCain goes WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY back.
# 109 l2r
sorry, those rantings have been waaay over the top for an hour now — so there’s gonna be no slack cut for inaccurate hysterics …
/as always, jmo …
“Our dislike of McCain goes WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY back.”
well then, frankly, you can take your personal hate-filled vendetta and shove it then — the adults in this country have a war to win and a future to secure …
NO! McCAIN is NOT for MARKET RULE!
He is a SOCIALIST. The only reason they don’t call him one is because he is ALSO a “REPUBLICAN IN NAME ONLY”! So the MSM is still busy preening all over him for THAT.
He is NOT a Capitalist, or a believer in Market forces.
My dad has been in a small business nearly my entire life, and his parents before him, had their own small business ventures, as well.
NOBODY in our family is going to vote for McCain.
But you pull out the Ten Communist Planks, and the 45 or more Communist Agenda items on the Joseph Stalinist list for the Destruction of America, and John McCain is ALL up in all that - all over it.
THAT IS WHY WE CALL HIM A RINO!
HINT HINT HINT!!!
On May 12th, 2008 at 3:13 am, Buckaroo said:
And it appears you are fighting that war on the side of the SOCIALISTS when you are defending the likes of PRIMARY MOVER AND SHAKER for DIM AGENDAS, Juan McVANITY.
So you take your stuff and shove yourselves off.
You have made a lot of lies for him these early morning hours (i.e., that he is “FOR” MARKET FORCES) apparently FORGETTING that if McCain were HALF what you CLAIM he was, you wouldn’t be BEGGING the CONSERVATIVES to be voting for him, you’ve be MASQUARADING HIS REP so you could win some INDEPENDENTS to his ticket.
# 115
now you are simply stating untruths in the face of all available evidence — you are seriously delusional, and your rantings are beginning to show a tenuous grip on reality …
If it cannot be twisted into some reason to dismiss someone who refuses to vote for McNasty, Roo really doesn’t care WHAT was meant.
But my uncle was commissioned to the Missouri as soon as assignments were being made to her, following all that followed the bombing, which was a considerable sorting out period for a little while - and I wasn’t trying to do a “Biography” of the entire 9 yards. But he served on her throughout her entire Pacific campaign through the signing of the Treaty which she was present for.
He passed away this last December. But my aunt and their three children and many grandchildren are all Conservatives. But they won’t be voting for McCain. And they didn’t see McCain as a friend to the Military or to the Veterans.
I used them as examples that McCain’s POW status doesn’t mean that all NAVY see him as a beneficial positive for the White House. That he has a long history - that those who have followed all his history are well aware that he has issues in his record that we do not agree are good for America.
Doesn’t make us “haters” because we don’t want him in office.
On May 12th, 2008 at 3:25 am, Buckaroo
That is pretty stupid of you to claim.
Then you explain why so many Conservatives are NOT going to vote for McCain, and what all the fuss is about over that fact, to date.
Buckaroo and Mookie, thanks for convincing me more than ever NOT to vote for McCain. What you consider as arguments to vote for McCain are giving me all the more reason not to vote for him. The choice in November is not McCain or HillBama, it’s McCain, HillBama, or America.
Not voting at all is not such a good idea, as there is plenty to be done at levels below POTUS, however abstaining from voting for POTUS while voting for lower positions gives a very clear message to both sides that some Americans have still got a little spine left, and refuse to settle.
Unless you truly believe McCain is good for America and fully representative of the Republican line (which even you two must realize he isn’t), then you are in no position to tell others what to do.
You have heard our opinions, and we will not cave. We have heard your opinions, and we are not swayed. If you can’t respect that, then perhaps you are on the wrong website.
A no-vote for McCain is not a vote for HillBama, it is a vote for America and Americans.
Great post dl, sometimes I think we were seperated at birth. but, I’m more handsome….lmao.
He sure never did anything to reach out to me.
I can only hope that all those expressing an interest in “sitting out” the POTUS vote (or not voting for the Republican candidate) are content with accepting Obama’s Supreme Court choices, Obama’s Islamic terrorism approach as well as Obama’s tax hikes and social programs.
You’ve got a choice between McShamnesty and a guy in a fantasy world. “For the past 18 months, I’ve been to 57 states and have one more to go…Alaska and Hawaii.” Huh? Been visiting Bill Ayers again, Obama? Nice drugs.
Buckaroo’s condescenting attitude make him sound like a teenager supporting McCain. Then, he/she has the audacity to refer to others as children. I get the same vibes from McCain (he knows whats best for us and we the sheeple must vote for him). If Buckaroo really wanted to help McCain, he’d shut-up.
Imagine if McCain had accepted an invitation to speak to the Ku Klux Klan. Because that’s what La Raza is: the Hispanic version of the KKK, minus the sheets and pointy hoods. Racists, racial supremacists and racial separatists.
Nice decision to speak to a collection of racists.
Voting for the lesser of two evils is not an option for me - I will vote for solid conservatives, but will probably withhold my vote for President.
Look, I’m not saying the choices are Stalin and Hitler - but to illustrate, suppose the choice was voting for Stalin, or voting for Hitler - would you listen to people who say you must choose between the lesser of two evils? Or would you abstain on the grounds that to vote for either is a tacit endorsement?
If McCain wins and then takes us down the road further to no 1st Amendment rights, if he opens up the borders even further, if he “reaches across the aisle” so much that he is indistinguishable from the socialists - but he’s got that “R” after his name as President - how does that help advance anything but more socialism? How will that encourage people to vote “R” the next time around?
We need a serious revolution at least in the kind of people we vote for and put in office. I am through compromising and coming up with nothing but “socialism lite”.
On May 12th, 2008 at 6:54 am,
I hope that the millions of people who who blindly voted for McCain and put him in the position to lose to Obama can accept Obama’s Supreme Court choices. Don’t blame conservatives…we didn’t vote for McCain in the first place. I’m content that I voted for Thompson. Oddly enough, Hillary is looking more conservative than McCain right now.
I’ll write in Thompson and vote Congress and local and will be very content doing so. Those who stuck us with McCain can do the worrying.
The reality of politics is such that, although one may not have voted for McCain in the primaries, one must accept the reality that he is the candidate best in the position to stop Obama.
One can stick with one’s “principles” to the bottom of the ocean…yet, until a viable alternative political party has been developed, I am of the opinion that it is best to act on the reality (for lack of better words) at hand.
A “serious lapse of judgment”
The only “serious lapse of judgment” I see is coming from those who insist we must try to put McCain in office.
Getting back closer to MM’s “La Raza” topic, I think McCain is more likely to be persuaded to alter (for the “better”!) his “immigration” policy when folks say A) “if you want my vote, do X”, rather that B) “I’m not voting for you because you’re an open-borders weenie (in Capitol Hill parlance).” In the case of the latter, he just writes that person off as a lost vote, whereas with the former, he’s been put on notice to prick up his ears….
Now, just how and who is in the best position to most effectively get that message across to him, I do not have an answer to that one. Suggestions?
The lesser of two evils is still evil.
Ah, yes, “principles”…
I think it was Winston Churchill who commented about a particulary feckless politician, “He has no principles that he cannot rise above”.
Oh, right, we need more people who can ditch their principles…yeah, that’s it, why didn’t I realize that before! That’s what conservatives need to do, deep-six their principles! Brilliant! That way noone can ever be sure what we stand for!
McCain will do naked jumping jacks if there is sufficient political pressure compelling him to do so.
The problem is that the momentum has shifted–and it’s not just a matter of candidates abandoning true conservative principles.
The conservative project was hijacked, trashed and discredited by the failings of the Bush presidency for which every American is at least in part responsible.
If the pro-McCain trolls support his liberalism now when he is not even the nominee, imagine their delusional support if he were to become president.
We should help the Ronulans weaken him at the convention. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
I may be in the minority here, but I do believe there is a difference between La Raza and the KKK. The rhetoric may be comforting or effective, but it looks pretty goofy to most Americans and is insulting to the blacks, Catholics and Jews who have been Klan victims from 1866 to the present.
Fortunately, there are more than two names on the ballot in most states. My choice will be for Chuck Baldwin, the Constitution party nominee, who has the right position on most issues.
Look, I am not going to vote for the lesser of two evils. We’ve been doing that and look where it has gotten us. No more!
If you JSM-lovers want us to vote for JSM… I suggest you focus on JSM, and not us, and get him to act conservative. Stop trying to threaten us. Change your candidate.
If he actually acted like a conservative, I would vote for him. If you want my vote, change him… don’t threaten me. I don’t give into verbal terrorism.
Yes,
McCain is a Poopy-head.
So, I’m staying home on election day, because I want, by default, a president who believes it’s just fine to plunge a syringe into a newborn infant’s skull, and suck it’s brain out.
Ain’t I brilliant?
McCain is playing with fire here. Between the immigration issue and his crazy policy on economy destroying global warming, he stands the chance of causing a significant percentage of Conservative voters to simply not vote in November. Think about these issues John, think about them really hard.
This is scary that a potential POTUS would thumb his nose in every American eye regarding this la raza.
What type of hate group is this?
Yes,
McCain is a Poopy-head.
So, I’m staying home on election day, because I want, by default, a president who construes the Second Amendment to mean “Regulated” applies to not just the “militia” but the “citizen” as well.
Ain’t I brilliant?
franksalterego,
It’s a secret, don’t tell anyone - but they’re *already* sticking that syringe in, right now, under George Bush, and while he’s not much of a conservative, he’s certainly a LOT more conservative than McCain!
Dream on if you think the “maverick” who loves to “reach across the aisle” to his “friends” will make any change to the abortion situation…
franksalterego,
Please do stay home on election day, that’d be fine. We’ll be happy to send someone to your home to make sure. You truly are brilliant.
All three of the politicians who might become our President this time - The Witch, The Empty Suit, and The Cranky Old White Man - already believe we should all be regulated and subject to their superior intellect and will.
Yes,
McCain is a Poopy-head.
So, I’m staying home on election day, because, even though the congress’s approval rating nose-dived after the last election because I sat on my dead ass, I did’t learn a thing.
Ain’t I brilliant?
“Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it.”
Our country is slowing dying from the same disease that killed the Roman Empire - corruption! McCain’s pandering to La Raza, combined with the media’s failure to report it, is just another sympton.
Yes,
McCain is a Poopy-head.
So, I’m gonna’ disenfranchise myself to teach them a lesson.
Ain’t I brilliant?
Absolutely correct.
And good morning everyone
I’ve spent some time reading the thread, and there are alot of good points. I think dandi sums it up, however.
I cannot, in all honesty, bring myself to vote for McShamnesty. While I can agree that there isnt going to be someone we all agree with, I don’t believe McCain has the major issues with the base in mind.
And with all due respect, I seperate the military service he performed and honor him for, with the political disservice he’s doing our country currently.
The killer for me on this is going to be immigration. It’s glaringly obivious he’s sold us for a fist full of pesos. This issue single-handedly keeps me from voting for him.
I wonder though…if the conservative base all wrote in a candidate, do you really think if 25% of the voting public used the write in system, that it would send a message?
Guess that remains to be seen.
franksalterego,
Again, you have my complete approval to stay home on election day. That’d be best, I can tell.
I’m going to vote - for the most conservative candidates at every level, to try to effect change. I’m not going to vote for McCain for President because he’ll only take away a little more of my 1st Amendment rights. I’m not going to vote for McCain because he himself is trying to get around the rules in the legislation he himself sponsored. I’m not going to vote for McCain because his true colors were shown when first he voted against Bush’s tax cuts. I’m not going to vote for McCain because he literally wants to open the doors for illegals. And I don’t have time to type the whole list.
Better to fight an enemy who has shown and declared himself, than to fight one who’s a wolf in sheep’s clothing. The disguised enemy within posing as a friend is much harder to defeat than the enemy without.
Yes,
McCain is a Poopy-head.
So, I will, by default, elect a president who promises to abandon Iraqi citizens…Nevermind, this country promised otherwise.
I’m so brilliant, I need sunglasses
Remember the Malkin Mantra:
40 Perfect Senators and a Democratic President is much better than 55 Republicans and a Republican President because among the 55 Republicans there might be 5 or 6 that will spoil an occasional bill and the Republican President wouldn’t be perfect (in Malkin’s eyes).
It’s like this. You don’t like some of the policies that are being implemented in your town, so you move to a town that already has all the policies you don’t like.
Yes, principle trumps party. I totally agree. No party is more important than the principles.
Also, sending a message to your party without considering the consequences to the country is, well, stupidity.
Yes,
McCain is a Poopy-head.
So, I’m sittin’ home on election day, because I want, by default, a president who will shove Immigration Reform down my throat, no matter how much I squawk about it…Nevermind, McCain says “Border security FIRST”
My brilliance is Simply Blinding
I wouldn’t refer to John’s policy of “Embrace the Race” as a lapse of judgement. It’s how he really feels, and I’m glad he’s expressing his real opinions.
They’re wrong, but better that we know it now (as if we didn’t, already…?).
Our problem with John is that he’s so calculating. The whole of his political life has been, much like Clinton or Obama, saying what he needs to say to get elected…
Then doing what his personal agenda calls for.
That is a lie from hell. Here is McCain recently in Charlotte talking about “comprehensive immigration reform”.
All those who are objecting by not voting/writing in:
You might think you are sending a message or dealing with your conscious, but did anybody get the message in 92 with Perot? The only thing we got was 8 years of President Clinton. If you’re okay with allowing Barack Obama to become president when you had it in your ability to prevent it, then perhaps you need to take a closer look at your belief system and party affiliation.
Yes,
McCain is a Poopy-head.
So, I’m staying home on election day, because I want, by default, a president who will ram through gov’t regulations as a solution to “Global Warming” instead of Free Market solutions.
My brilliance is overshadowed only by a Super Nova
I am trying to prepare myself for the inevitable, either McCain or Obama at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Neither of those prospects are very comforting for me.
We took my mother and father out to dinner Saturday evening and ended up getting into a debate over the presidential race. My mother likes McCain, since she is a fiscal conservative and social “moderate”, as she describes herself. *sigh*
She told me his war record makes him better qualified for the presidency. I told her I respect his service to the U.S. and what he endured in captivity but that doesn’t “qualify” him to be president anymore than John Kerry being in Vietnam “qualified” him. Then, she was left to resort to the choice being either Obama or McCain. I told her that both were atrocious options. Dad sat there quietly for most of the trip. Now, my wife is quite opinionated and had her fair share to put in and had no problem voicing her discontent with McCain, Obama, and Clinton. LOL
What a way to spend a trip to a dinner for Mother’s Day.
By the way, does “social moderate” translate for anyone else as “socially liberal” or is it just me?
When you have a cancer you don’t nurture it, you don’t encourage it - you cut it out. Letting the cancer grow and saying it’s not too bad, it could be my whole leg instead of just the foot, should not be an option. Soon it will be the whole leg and then the whole body.
It may hurt to cut it out. It may require sacrifice, and things might get worse before they get better.
I want the body to be whole and healthy again. I don’t get to that goal by letting the cancer spread and saying it’s not so bad. Obama and Hillary are cancer. John McCain is a cancer, too, just not as bad - yet.
Concerned,
Writing in is still better than staying home.
But i can assure you I won’t be voting for either of these clowns no election day.
That’s all there is to it.
- Joy
Because 4 years of Obama will likely be worse than 4 years of McCain. It’s as simple as that.
I didn’t like George H.W. Bush or Bill Clinton. And, I voted for Ross Perot, as an outward expression of my discontent.
I may not have a problem doing the same in 2008, just to let McCain and the Washington establishment know just how displeased I am with both of them.
I tire of voting to the lesser of two evils, because that the only thing with which I am left.
I may, eventually, decide to hold my nose and vote for McCain but I’m not there yet.
Concerned:
We got EXACTLY what we deserved - a demoncrat president who was a BUM, and is now being shown again to be nothing but scum.
The tragedy is that we didn’t capitalize on it. Instead of finding another Reagan, we front Dubya? THIS is how we show the country “see the problems with liberalism?”
What can this administration and, by extension the RNC, point to over the last 8 years?
No Child Left Behind
Medicare Drug Benefits
A botched Social Security salvage
A sub-prime disaster that can be traced directly back to liberal mandates on financial institutions
A war based on bad intelligence (which we can forgive), followed by an ongoing war with no better intelligence (which we cannot)
And this was with a republican congress (which they lost)!
Now, just in case this wasn’t inept enough, the RNC is fronting John McCain as their standard bearer.
The next 4 years are going to be a disaster for the United States, regardless of who wins.
Our southern border will be less than a line in the sand, open to whomever wants to come.
Anyone who knows anything about John knows that his promise to appoint only constructionist judges isn’t worth the air it’s breathed into. He will cave the first time his pal Teddy calls him a bad name, like Reagan did only more. So it doesn’t matter if John or Obama wins, we’re going to get a radical shift to the left in the courts.
The war? Better that we end this debacle than continue spilling US blood to liberate a nation that’s not even really a nation. Iraq is a post World War construct - a mash-up of people who have hated each other across millenia. Like “Yugoslavia,” only moreso. That’s far beyond either candidate to understand, so I’ll stick with accepting “at least we’re out” of it.
We are going to have socialized medicine, just as the baby boom breaks our fiscal pockets. This will happen under McCain as much as it would under Obama.
We will have an insanely inflationary policy to “save” the people from “greedy bankers who lent them money.”
The coming tax increases, under either candidate, will lay waste to our economy.
I don’t believe, but I do hope, that this coming nightmare will shatter both parties, allowing us to re-align along more useful lines: Conservative and Socialist.
You know I just realized the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002 (BCRA, McCain–Feingold Act was seemingly implicated to smooth over McCain’s involvement in the Keating Five corruption scandal. If you analyze the charges of questionable conduct against McCain: received $112,000 by 1987 from Keating and vacations to Keating’s opulent Bahamas retreat at Cat Cay it makes sense that McCain would sponsor the campaign finance bill to take the heat off himself. Add this to his amnesty for illegals legislation and involvement in LaRaza you have one slick character that seems less than honest. At least you know O’bama is a threat, McCain seems like someone who’ll be your buddy then steal you girlfriend.
Yes,
McCain is a Poopy-headed “Liberal”
So, because of my uncanny brilliance, I’m staying home on election day, because I want, by default, a president 10 TIMES as liberal.
I’ll show that poopy-head
No worries everyone. mcamnesty will make a run to the right in the month leading up to the election. He will tell us he is against amensty and wants to secure the border. If elected, he would then introduce, with the help of his lib buddies in congress, a “comprehensive immigration” bill that will have some meaningless crap in it like a touchback provision. mcamnesty will then again claim it is not amnesty and the biggots need to shut up. Afterall, the illegals must go home through the revolving door and come rihg tback. He will claim he will secure the border by making a HUGE guest worker program so that nobody will need to come illegally. Come one come all policy. This will give cover to the marginal conservatives (Cornyn/Hutchinson types) since they can say i tis not amensty. In any case, mcamnesty will support amensty of a different name.
Comprehensive Immigration Reform is DOA.
Just in case you hadn’t noticed
If Bush couldn’t push Comprehensive Immigration Reform through, why would anyone believe McCain could?
Just read that Ron Pauls army planning a rebellion to embarass McCain at the convention….COUNT ME IN!! I’ll vote for Ron Paul before I vote for McVAIN the traitor!!
I wish, wish, wish Fred Thompson was still in the race…but
if wishes were horses, beggars would ride…
Don’t take for granted that there is a do not resucitate order for it. I don’t put it past McCain, Kennedy and the other politicos in D.C. to try to push it through in another form with another name.
When Thompson first started his testing the waters campaign, I was for him, misscheryl. But, as he drug his feet more and, then, added Spencer “Open Borders” Abraham, it became apparent to me that he was no better than anything else that the field had to offer.
There wasn’t any of the Republican field in the primary race that had a good history or position on illegal immigration.
With 80%+ of the electorate against it?
I doubt it
You are also talking about the same “most ethical Congress” that has such atrocious approval ratings and John McCain, who still pushes for comprehensive immigration reform, let alone Obama’s leftist embrace of illegals to add to the Democrat voting base.
I still say “don’t take it for granted”, frank. It is Washington, after all.
I was at the rally he held down here in Tennessee, with Phil Valentine and that whole crowd. It was a nice event, overall, but it lacked something.
Fred talked about the changes he wanted to see.
It was apparent, even then, that he wanted to see them, but did not have the strength to see it through. He was warm to the crowd, i just didnt see where he had the fire to do what he was saying. And that was displayed in his campaign.
Even if he had progressed further, I’m not sure he’d have really had the drive, or the backing, to make the changes he talked about possible.
Which is sad really, because Fred did have some good ideas, despite his bad campaign and advisor choices.
Let’s take a little history ride…
Remember Social Security Reform?
No legislation was forthcoming, because the minority was against it.
In the case of Immigration Reform, there’s a huge majority against it.
It’s DOA
It’s become as much of a Third Rail as Social Security.
All we need now is, a bunch of Fear Mongering over THIS “issue” from the likes of Michelle M., and we’ll end up with a disaster.
I would think that “fearmongering” is trying to scare people into a course of action, or the lack thereof, based on something that lacks a solid foundation in truth.
Please tell me what part of the immigration issue we’re being so dishonest about here?
I’m not accusing anyone of being dishonest.
Other than, the dishonesty of omitting the reality of the situation.
Even the comments in this thread, gotta’ be tellin’ ya’ something.
Barry, abstractmind - I agree with what you have said re: his stance on immigration and also that his heart was not in the race. Honestly, I believe that at this point, the presidential race has degraded so that only dummies, narcissists and the completely disfunctional are attracted to it. I don’t think Fred fit into any of these categories, regardless that I didn’t agree with him on every issue.
I still don’t know what I’m going to do come election time…
All those in favor of Immigration Reform, raise your hand.
Nevermind, whether you lean Left OR Right.
Undrsiege, I think you misunderestimate John McCain. He is just a MAVERICK.
He reaches across the aisle to his brothers on the left because he is fair and decent. He loves Maria and Jose and relates to their oppression in MEH HEEE CO. Go Maverick Go!!!
J.H.CHRIST we have 3 choices Commie, Socialist and McLeft.
I even proofed it….sheesh!
I don’t think it is as politically charged as Social Security, yet, Frank.
It may be on its way to that point but I don’t think enough people have gotten burned by it yet to be an actual third rail issue. Maybe in due time but not at this point.
I still say there is a strong desire in D.C. to bring it back, probably under a new name and description but still the same old shamnesty, nonetheless.
I’m of the thinking that is what motivates McCain - if his action serve this “self view” he’ll do it. The most important thing to McCain is being seen as a maverick - how juvenile is that.
For those threatening to stay home on election day, please do remember that the Presidency is not the only office on the ballot.
Obama in office with a Democratic Congress will be a disaster.
Has anybody ever considered that JSM is throwing Blacks and Conservatives under the bus and trying to replace us with illegal immigrants? He supports La Raza et al., knowing how that is anathema to those of us who love our country, and makes no similar effort to reach out to either blacks, neither of the conservative or liberal sort. Even legal Latino immigrants, as MM has pointed out in some of her other blog articles are not on JSM’s list of people to reach out to. It leaves me cold… And we’re supposed to swallow this? I can’t.
Seems to ME, that if you want to stop Immigration Reform, wait ’til AFTER the election to raise your voice.
Don’t start yellin’ BEFORE you get bit.
‘Specially, with all the OTHER MORE IMPORTANT issues at hand.
I dont think that “fearmongering” on this issue, which is on display for all to see, is accurate for this.
People on this thread, regardless, are tired of seeing their country get hijacked by people who are, by all intent and purpose i believe, invading us…and they’re tired of people in this country assisting, pandering, and advocating such things.
McCain isn’t going to help that. He’s already shown he’s going to open the floodgates and let everything go straight down the toilet.
Wake up and smell the CO2, people - McCain has also said he’s going to go full steam ahead on Gullible Warming and the Kyoto accord. No difference between him and the socialist and Marxist on that score, except he’ll be pushing it with an “R” attached to it instead of a “D”. The same money will come out of our pockets either way, “R” or “D”.
My vote is precious to me - I don’t bestow it on morons who believe in “anthropogenic global warming”.
He’s gonna’ “open a floodgate” that’s already open?
Dazzling
Hmmmm? Sounds more like a reactionary measure. I prefer to be pre-emptive.
I am firmly convinced, the only way to stem the tide is, to give ‘em a reason to stay home.
Lip Service, notwithstanding
franksalterego opined:
Yeah, sit idly by, wait to get shafted, THEN complain. What a dazzingly brilliant strategy.
Would you rather have the issue raised by a Dem, and be shot down?…Or, a Republican and get shot down?
2+2=4 no matter HOW you add it up.
Okay. Pardon Ramos and Compean, reinstate them in the Border Patrol, make them honchos over it and have them instruct their agents to shoot anyone onsight that is illegally crossing the U.S. border. And, that is not a joke on my part. There is a deterrent for illegal immigrants crossing into our country.
Oh, yeah. And, “build the damned fence“, as McCain likes to sputter.
Actually I think
OurSome People’s Hero and Republican candidate for President said angrily (does he have any other emotion?)“OK I’ll build the g-d fence if they want it”
…and then proceeded to kill it as best he could…
Tell ya’ what, Barry ol’ buddy.
We’ll give you a 30-30, and YOU can go shoot ‘em.
Make us proud
Team, let’s try to remain as positive as possible. Here’s a “positive idea”. What if Bush got the fence built by the time the election happens, since he is unpopular anyway, and remove that as an issue for McCain, since it is one of the biggest drags on the GOP, in McCain’s mind? Bush takes the hit, we get our fence, and McCain has less ways to alienate us base voters.
BTW, I plan to vote and campaign as hard as possible for congress, local positions, etc. if not for the top of the ticket.
Frank, as snide you may have hoped to be with that remark, I could/would carry it out, if it were my assigned job.
Our Southern border poses a substantial risk to our sovereignty and our security. It is not just illegal Hispanics coming across our Southern border. Intelligence reports, for some time now, have indicated the use of the Southern border for people of Middle Eastern descent crossing into our country illegally, possibly or, perhaps, a high probability to carry out terrorist attacks.
But, what the hey. Give them amnesty, so they can be legal citizens, when they do kill some of our citizenry. We can complain about it after the fact.