Liberal intolerance watch: Columbia, Md.
This paragraph needs no additional comment from me (thanks to Jeff Quinton for the tip):
Some residents of Columbia are objecting to plans by one of the town’s six interfaith centers to place a 16-foot cross on the exterior of a new building.
The cross would be visible at the Wilde Lake Interfaith Center, but some longtime residents say the cross wouldn’t fit with Columbia’s harmonious and inclusive character.
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Liberals….can’t live with them..can’t..wait- I said it right the first time.
WTH??
A 16-foot cross on the side of a large church is practically mini.
Shame on these intolerant bigots.
Yes, indeed. Let’s be “inclusive” by excluding those who believe in Christianity.
If it’s an “interfaith” center, that implies several faiths are involved – but seemed to have no problem erecting a cross on the building.
Funny how when the *majority* is politically incorrect, their beliefs cannot be tolerated or displayed in public. The minority must be respected, after all.
But when the *minority* includes conservatives, Christians, or the like, we must remember the “will of the majority” is central to democracy!
What does that even mean?? One would think that it includes symbols of christianity, since the word ‘inclusive’ is used! If it was a giant sickle & hammer I’m sure it would be deemed appropriate.
I bet a 16-foot star and crescent would be just fine with the town
pinheadsfathers.I’m sure the irony of all of this is lost on said longtime residents. Idiots.
Can we question their sanity now?
I guess they don’t see the irony of calling the atmosphere ‘inclusive’ whilst excluding a religious symbol huh. I’m almost positive it would be a completely different story had that been a mosque.
Well then, I guess a Christmas tree in December is way out of the question too, right?
Now if it were a huge mural of Jesus smoking a bong or Mary covered in feces, well, then it would be ok.
The liberal hypocrisy machine has just gotten an upgrade.
Should this be filed under Stuff secular humanists don’t like?
the website for this group of folks:
http://www.inetstrat.com/ccm/inter.htm
Looks like they’ve got a little of everything there.
I say if the members of the church (and i would presume they were the one who gave the ok for the church leadership to do this) are good with this, and they themselves are an inclusive group…it makes the people in town who says it goes against their inclusiveness look a bit hypocritical.
Church Group: inclusive.
Town full of “Inclusives”: Not so much.
Let them object.
Build the cross anyway.
The irony is over the top on this one.
“We’re so inclusive that we won’t be able to include you…”
Some of my best friends are Christians and they are always welcoming to people of all types. These objections by the people of Columbia are just so much noxious gas. Get over it, people.
On May 13th, 2008 at 10:13 am, corona said:
Should this be filed under Stuff
secular humanistsoverbearing, hypocritical, PC-policing intolerants don’t like?Fixed.
I’m no friend to religion. But this kind of speaks for itself.
ROFL…reading this site must be rubbing off…i’m defending religion more and more here. *shrug*
HAHHHAAAA – that’s a good one.
Don’t you have to HAVE character first?
In other words, we don’t need Jesus. I beg to differ but let’s not go there. Don’t wish to upset the harmony and inclusivity you all have going…
Do they completely miss the irony in what they are saying? They don’t want a cross up b/c it doesn’t fit with their inclusive character? UMMM, wouldn’t allowing the cross show inclusive character?
*rolling eyes* They just don’t make any sense.
I went to the website also, saddly though no pictures of the building? Was curious as to what all displays are available. The church, however, does have a vast array of religions included. So build the cross, watch the snakes, I mean tolerant neighbors, throw a hissy fit.
Whoa, there theroc5156 (#10), there is no need to bring the fine arts into the discussion.
Hey, corona, even us staunch agnostic irreligious folks don’t mind a cross (or other religious imagery for that matter.) Especially, when it is displayed on a building intended for worship.
Atheists don’t have to be anti-theist. I realize that many are so, but this one isn’t.
I lived in Columbia, Md for several years and I hated every second living in that Socialist Haven. Any town that forces a Catholic Church Parish to beat feet so that a Unitarian Universalist Group can have their usual Sunday Morning discussion in the same building is waaay to the left of most Americans. Of course, this is the one party State of Maryland, home to the uber-liberal diminutive Senator Mikulski, ex-Senator Sarbanes (whose SOX legacy still confounds businesses across the country) and, ironically named, The Free State.
2manybooks,
But they sure do feel good when they say it… And that’s all that matters right? How we feel…
Welcome to the Peoples Republic of Maryland!!!
If irony were made of strawberries, we’d all be drinking a lot of smoothies right now.
Now if it was a 16′ WALMART sign that’d be different…
But they would be okay with a 60 foot islamic mineret with loud speakers for the call to pray I bet, because they are “inclusive”
Harmony and inclusion for me, but not for thee.
They might permitted if it has absolutely no religious symbols and is called a “Giving Tree”. Oops! Must not use the R word. Better to say non-secular symbols so as to be more inclusive.
If you have to use 3 words to replace one, you know you are in trouble.
#17 2manybooks
You’re using logic, and they’re too intellectual to understand that.
The majority of the people in this country who claim a religous affiliation are some sort of Christian. Yet, Christianity is the only religion one is allowed, even encouraged, to discriminate against.
Ditto, though I was a child at the time. I’ve visited a couple times since. Columbia definitely has a unique feel to it, but at the same time, it is a very exclusive, rather than inclusive one. I don’t remember any churches there and I certainly do not remember seeing any crosses. The schools stunk and the convoluted road system that has popped up in recent years make me wonder why it is worth living in that area. I see now more than ever why my parents decided to move away.
Hey tre,
Click on my moniker and drop me a line please.
I lived in Columbia for a year. If bland, homogenous, boring, PC America is what you want, then Columbia, Maryland is the place for you.
The paragraph says some people which I guess means all liberals to the far right. Most liberals are for free expression for all religions. It is only the minority that gets all the attention. Churches are still not taxed so America still gives special treatment to religious institutions.
What a shame…especially since the history of Maryland is rich and deeply rooted in Christianity. As I recall, Catholic colonists gathered there and called it Mary-Land.
Figure it out.
Better yet, don’t. My brain already hurts trying to figure this out. I think I’ll go back and fix more computers.
Not sure what the tax thing has to do with the point, but ok…
As far as the minority getting the voice, would that be indicative of democrats just letting the minority run the show? What about the majority? Do they care, or have a way to respond? It just seems to me that majority democrats, based on your answer, are in the same boat as conservatives in regards to speaking and not being heard.
they would rather have an abortion coathanger sign.
So when was it exactly that Maryland seceded from the Christian based United States ? I missed the memo.
Planned Parenthood, Code Pink, and many other organizations – religious and non – have tax-exempt status. So the argument that religion gets special treatment when it gets the same treatment as many other organizations is a lie.
So where are they? Why is it one of the biggest organizations – the ACLU – and a majority of liberals are often either silent or with the opposition on issues like this? Granted, the ACLU does once in a while take up worthy cases (blind pig, truffle and all that).
But by and large I don’t hear a whole lot of liberal condemnation when the expressly-written First Amendment rights of religious persons are violated.
Add it to the growing list of places that turned into the next Sodom when originally named for something far greater.
Ex: San Francisco…. named after Francis of Assisi
Maybe they could put up a 35 foot Rainbow flag celebrating gay sex instead.
That would be very inclusive me thinks.
Folks this is how liberals think. They see the majority of us being Christians as somehow oppressive. The minorities opinion is allowed, but not the majorities. I believe the CONSTITUTION guarantees the the RIGHT TO PRACTICE RELIGION.
Why do libs like Caligulajones believe Religions should be taxed? Why do libs in general think EVERYTHING should be taxed? Is it a mental defect. Why do liberals think GOVERNMENT should have our money? Seriously are liberals retarded?
I don’t think they get more harmonious and inclusive than Jesus.
On May 13th, 2008 at 11:03 am, caligulajones said:
The paragraph says some people which I guess means all liberals to the far right.
That is a new one on me. Far right is the opposite of a liberal or am I having an lgm moment?
Abstractmind is correct. All Libs have an Alice in the looking glass point of view. Up is down etc, etc. The minority squeaky gear always gets the grease, so to speak. The majority, just shut up or they’ll call you some sort of foul name. That is the Lib brand of democracy.
Amen. (Hah! Get it?)
I truly truly do not feel oppressed by the Christian majority.
Except the remnants of “blue laws”. Let me buy my liquor whenever I want, please. If you meet me on that I’ll grant you can throw up as many crosses and nativity scenes as you want.
The liberal mind is twisted. Liberals always buck against normality. If the vast majority of citizens are Christian, then the vast majority is bad, and the minority is good. Liberals continue to purposefully attempt to tear down any traditional institutions that America has held dear.
The free exercise of religion is okay if you are some freak religion in WACO, but if you are mainstream, you are evil and oppressive.
Liberals believe free speech belongs to them and their constituencies, and we can just shut the f#$% up and keep paying the bills.
I’ll fight on your side for that one.
Couldn’t agree more. I’m good with defending someone when they are right, and taking them to task when they’re wrong. Whether or not its a religious issue doesnt matter.
It would be one thing if they were trying to put the cross on top of the local Target, or some other place inappropriate, but somehow telling a church not to place a cross on its own property, in its proper place and with the blessing of its own members, seems ignorant to me.
Sounds like a deal. Remember, Catholics opposed prohibition and you’ll find a majority of us like a good stiff drink every now and then.
It would be one thing if they were trying to put the cross on top of the local Target, or some other place inappropriateWhy would this be inappropriate? Target is a private company, not our government. It may alienate some non-Christians, but that is a consequence Target can weigh.
AHHHH. Why cant I learn the difference between Strike and Quote!
Well of course you need it to tolerate us libs.
I find the “TARGET” sign offensive.
It encourages violence.
inclusive – “including much or everything”
harmonious – “exhibiting equivalence or correspondence among constituents of an entity or between different entities”
Columbia should stop using big words that aren’t in their vocabulary…
#53: I don’t care who ya are, thats funny right there……….
Im OK with a cross. But are you OK with a Mosque? A few months ago there was lots of approval here for the guy who built a pig farm next to an Islamic center just to annoy them. Are you for religious tolerance or just Christian tolerance?
I was using that as an example, just an FYI. I was in fact pointing out that it would be inappropriate to place it there. I think that government buildings would be just as inappropriate. I would think the example bears that out. Anyplace where religious symbols don’t belong (read: outside of religious institutions, churches, etc.) would be inappropriate. Sure that wont win me any friends, but thats my opinion anyway.
Hope that clarifies.
Snort. I do appreciate a self-deprecating sense of humor.
Just to clarify, I believe you have that backwards. The farm was there. The mosque moved in next door and told HIM to move.
Here is the story:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,241897,00.html
IN ANY CASE…if there are people who want to build a mosque, then yes, let them build it. While i disagree with Islam, not all of them are terrorists and they are free to practice their religion as long as they’re peaceable like everyone else. That’s there legal and constitutional right to do so, which i completely agree with. If they start spewing hatred like the ones overseas, then i’ll have a problem. Just as i’d have a problem if it were baptists, or catholics, or *whoever* doing the same thing.
Abstactmind, you just put up a story from Fox News. LGM therefore won’t believe a word of it.
I think we might be on to something here, EQ.
Someone should develop a rating system for us “trolls” based on how much alcohol must be consumed for you guys to tolerate us.
For example: Rusty = one finger (of bourbon)
mookie or nyk = two fingers
lgm = a fifth with a fifth chaser. (Not my opinion lgm! I love ya!)
I almost lost my coffee on the monitor again. Nice, very nice. Leave it to lgm to twist the facts to fit his agenda. Thanks for the clarification abstractmind.
Oops. My bad. Well, then he can google it and read it all for himself.
Have some more links then LOL:
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/locals-start-pig-racing-to-deter-mosque-construction
msunderestimated.com/2007/01/05/swine-intervention-in-katy-tx-video
This one is from a stated conservative, but…
http://onecountryvoice.wordpress.com/2006/12/01/pig-races-vs-katy-islamic-association-kia/
As far as the muslims involved being peaceable?
Not. So. Much.
Here’s a small example i found:
http://www.katyislamicassociation.net/Eposts/islamic_response.htm
You just couldn’t make this stuff up. Folks wouldn’t believe you. And they really don’t understand how contradictory and stupid the inclusive/but-not-inclusive position is.
To paraphrase Bugs, “What a bunch of maroons.”
#63; KIA, now theres a piece lovin’ bunch for ya ! Good links………….
sorry the vid one didnt post right, i just noticed.
and chuck is right…you couldnt make this stuff up and sell it (unlike scientology, another “religion” LOL)
Notice how the people of the town are generally dismissive, but relatively polite…their islamic counterparts, however…
Not. So. Much
Wow,
So I am not the only one who has a problem with lgm and his “twisting” (I wanted to use lies but then, I might be called out for my disdain of him).
Chap,
Love the drinking post (#61). LOL What can I do as I do not drink?
no soap, you’re not. i dont like when anyone does it…he just happens to be a repeat offender
I will be your proxy drinker. Just send me a case of booze (lately I have been into the rye whiskeys, but I will leave it to your discretion) and send me a daily invoice of how much I…I mean you, need to drink.
Chap,
Wanna do some pro bono work in trade? I’ll drink to that!
Are you sure you want a drunk attorney?
Kidding aside, as far as pro-bono, tax/corp attorneys are often woefully unqualified for most stuff. One thing I do however, is help new charities with their 501(c)(3) applications. So that is nice.
It is also how I met Soros once. He was a large contributor to a charity my old firm (but mostly me) set up to support qualitative measurement of good governance practices in Africa, which in turn was supposed to be used by Bush’s Millennium Challenge Fund.
Who knew, that all we had to do to get Chap to talk were to mention booze and lawyering. Just kidding. I kid, I kid.
Chap,
Used Leagl Z@@m to set mine up – Robert Shapiro, co-founder.
Sure. Anything I can poke with a stick makes me happy!
#56 lgm said:
Ok, Ok! Then just move the pig farm next to the Kennedy compound on Nantucket Sound and move the Wind Farm next to the Islamic center.
Geesh, these “not in my backyard” liberals are sooo picky!
There once was a man who built a pig farm next to an Islamic center,
Who was having a helluva time finding an understanding mortgage lender,
He proclaimed with dismay as they sent him away,
If Mohammad had just tried a pork rind, he might have been less hateful towards the opposite gender.
No wonder they call it How-wierd County.
From their website: “A place for all people, embracing different races, religions, and income groups.”
Yea, sure.
What those people said just make no sense at all. Contradictory, to say the least. I bet if a Mosque wanted to belt out prayers, via loudspeakers…well…that’s okay. “We want to be inclusive.”
No wonder they call it How-wierd County.
Believe it or not, Howard County used to have a Republican County Executive. Then Her Smallness, Barbara Mikulski got the nod and things went downhill real quick.
To give people an idea of the elitist nature of Columbia, one won’t find a bowling alley inside the town proper (too plebian donchaknow). ONe won’t find a church building either. they’re known as ‘Inter-Faith Centers’ which is another term for ‘Don’t spread your religious cooties on us!’ Lastly, even if you own your own house and property, the local People’s Architectural Committees will come to your door to inform you it is the wrong color; even if no one can see it from the road due to the 3 sided courtard in front.
Hell, we got gay designers plastering the sides of NYC public buses with homo-erotic “kiddie porn” ads twice that size. Not that size matters, right?
Leave it to the lefties in Columbia to use their dedication to inclusiveness to discriminate against Christians. Columbia has been the ruination of Howard County since its inception in the late 1960s.
Oh, yeah, I forget that feeeeeelings matter most.
I totally agree. Logic~I forgot that’s not so common anymore. And I have said more than once that Christians are the only group that it’s okay to discriminate against.
From what I’ve been reading of late, Maryland is one scary place.
So much for tolerance!
I’m okay with a mosque as long as terrorist-sympathsizers like you aren’t allowed to speak or distribute literature there.
And somehow, I doubt your claim is the entire truth.
SPO CON SPOCON
Really? Not even Kirsten Powers or Alan Colmes?
nope, he doesnt care. him and scooter both cant be bothered by something as trivial as the truth.
/sarc on
we cant let facts get in the way of discussion! And when we do put facts, we have to put them COMPLETELY BACKWARDS so it fits our narrow and small-minded world view! How else would it explain why we see everything, ya know,in the completely opposite way that reality works?
/sarc off
We lived in Columbia for 30 years until we moved back to upstate NY 3 years ago.
Columbia is a ‘liberal’ town without a doubt. One year a while ago, the elementary school near us had a “Martin Luther King” day in the auditorium. White students were not allowed to attend – - just blacks. My sons had already moved on from this school by that time, but I remember thinking if they had been there, I would have raised ‘hell’…probably should have anyway.
This cross issue doesn’t surprise me at all.