Politics and the polar bear
It’s been in the works for quite some time, but now the decision is official. Polar bears have been listed by the Bush Interior Department as a “threatened” species. This is the first listing attributed to global warming.
What’s really going on here?
Kenneth Green at AEI exposes the politics behind the eco-radicals’ polar bear campaign and the consequences:
Listing the polar bear as a threatened species would have significant public policy consequences. It would set a new precedent, representing the first linkage of species endangerment with global warming. Such a listing would basically wall off the entire Arctic region to exploration, resource extraction, and development–at least by U.S. companies–and a threatened species listing would give environmental groups the ability to sue future U.S. governments to force them to reverse climate change by whatever means necessary.
There is little doubt that such lawsuits would be filed quickly. According to the NRDC:
Listing the polar bear guarantees federal agencies will be obligated to ensure that any action they authorize, fund, or carry out will not jeopardize the polar bears’ continued existence or adversely modify their critical habitat, and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service will be required to prepare a recovery plan for the polar bear, specifying measures necessary for its protection.
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The bottom line for rational cost-benefit analysts:
At present, polar bear populations are robust and, according to native people, are considerably larger than they were in previous decades. Predictions of polar bear endangerment are based on two sets of computer models: one set predicts how much Arctic sea ice will melt as a result of global warming, and the other predicts how polar bear populations will respond. But computer models of climate are known to be fraught with problems, and the ecological models used to predict polar bear response are equally limited.
Because of extreme limitations in data, it is essentially impossible to decide whether polar bears are endangered and whether their habitat is threatened by man-made global warming or other natural climate cycles. This is acknowledged by the experts themselves–the actual IUCN/SSC report is more broad in naming causes and more conservative about estimating their effects.
What we do know about polar bears is that, contrary to media portrayals, they are not fragile “canary in the coal mine” animals, but are robust creatures that have survived past periods of extensive deglaciation. Polar bear fossils have been dated to over one hundred thousand years, which means that polar bears have already survived an interglacial period when temperatures were considerably warmer than they are at present and when, quite probably, levels of summertime Arctic sea ice were correspondingly low.
In discussions of whether to drill in the Arctic, one of the arguments raised by environmentalists is that this would harm the habitats of the many creatures, including polar bears, that make their homes in Alaska. If polar bears are placed on the endangered species list, the legal hurdles to oil and gas drilling will increase. There are two subpopulations of polar bears in Alaska. One of them, the Southern Beaufort Sea population, is shared with Canada, and the other, the Chukchi Sea population, with Russia. Best estimates for these areas show approximately 3,500 polar bears total in these two subpopulations. Last year, Shell Offshore Inc. was about to start drilling in the Beaufort Sea area when a court order halted the activity on the grounds that the federal government did not thoroughly assess the environmental impact before granting permission to drill.
In petitioning against the drilling, environmental groups invoked sea ducks, whales, and, of course, polar bears, as well as the effect that drilling could have on native populations. The U.S. Minerals Management Service estimates that the area holds the potential for 7 billion barrels of recoverable oil and 32 trillion cubic feet of recoverable natural gas. With oil at over $100 a barrel and natural gas at $7.60 per one thousand cubic feet, these are some very expensive polar bears.
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Since when have these whacko environmental groups and politicians let facts stand in the way of a good lawsuit?
Betcha anything
ifwhen this does wind up in court, the truth won’t be allowed to be heard.The eco-radicals should be forced to play frisbee with the polar bears on live TV.
Very quietly acknowledged.
When will people wise up to this global warming farce? What a joke…..
Agggh!!! Global warming, in the words of Senator Inhofe: “The greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people.” … and I’d add, on the world. There’s just no end to the insanity.
How can we link the illegal invaders as the cause of Global warming? Maybe the politicians will focus on them then.
WHAT?!? The polar Bear population is 5 times MORE than it was in 1960!!! WTF does an animal whose population is INCREASING land on the endangered list?!
Are there any species of plant or animals that we should protect?
It is just so sad that some people care more about animals, than about humans. I never saw a Polar Bear holding a sign up saying, “Save the Humans.”
Warmists win another round…
Gas prices will NOT go down…
Economy long term will get worse…
This is a baffling story. The Interior Dept. decrees that polar bears are an endangered species due to “global warming,” but that oil drilling operations have no impact on their survival.
AEI reports:
1. Hasn’t the earth has been cooling since 1998?
2. I’ve either heard or read that the polar bear population has been increasing since 1950, is this true?
3. Why is the Interior Dept. saying oil exploration has no impact on polar bear survival, but that this decision today will ultimately curtail oil exploration in the arctic?
4. What are the facts, and what the hell is going on here?
If these warmist smackasses really want their way, no amount of pricing on fuel should ever go down but up to restrict usage….. what a bunch of scumsucking fascists.
Well, here in S TX I sure hope to gosh they don’t put the cockroach on the endangered list. We are knee deep in the 2 inch critters. Gotta buy bug spray by the case and they get theirs whenever I see them.
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I am so sick of this “man-made global warming” crap.
Listening to Kempthorne’s explanation was like sitting on a merry-go-round that spinning at twice the normal speed. He first said he wanted everyone to know that the decision wasn’t based on global warming. It was based on melting sea ice (bear habitat). So what melted the ice? Is he trying to say that Al Gore’s definition of global warming didn’t melt the ice and “settled science” did?
He also said that he wanted us to know that this listing would not be an opportunity for the enviros to force reductions of greenhouse gases. What? Has he been living in a cabin in Idaho for the past 6 years? It’s the ONLY reason the lawsuit was brought to list the bear. Man are we getting dumber by the hour.
If they are endangered, then we should quickly kill and eat a few, so that we can savor the taste before they’re all gone. I bet they taste like chicken.
/sarc off
Polar bear is delicious. A bit more gamey than panda, which eat bamboo shoots, or koala, which eat eucalyptus, but not as much as grizzly, brown or black, which eat Steven Colbert.
Polar bears eat endangered sea ducks and whales. And penguins which fly up from the South Pole for MS-NBC news shoots.
*threatened, not endangered
The AEI - known throughout the world as scientific experts with a non bipartisan approach to topics.
AEI
In February 2007, a number of sources, including the British newspaper The Guardian, reported that the AEI had sent letters to scientists offering US$10,000 plus travel expenses and additional payments, asking them to critique the IPCC Fourth Assessment Report. The letters alleged that the IPCC was “resistant to reasonable criticism and dissent and prone to summary conclusions that are poorly supported by the analytical work” and asked for essays that “thoughtfully explore the limitations of climate model outputs.”
According to the Guardian article, the AEI received $1.6 million in funding from ExxonMobil. The article further notes that former ExxonMobil CEO Lee R. Raymond is the vice-chairman of AEI’s board of trustees.
The only global warming I see is when I get mad listening to Al Gore talk about it and know that he is lining his pocketbook from all the false hysteria he has created. How in the world does the U.S. list the polar bear as threatened when most of them live in other countries?
What’s the story on the Grizzly-Polar hybrid?
I have lived in Alaska since ‘74 and I can tell you first hand it is NOT getting any warmer here. Of course we are sometimes influenced by the warm currents from the Pacific Ocean and so even in winter we can sometimes have a warm spell. I am all for a little warming, but it a’int happening!
Mostly Right, I think they taste a bit like the bald eagle.
So when do we start purchasing pitchforks and torches for the impending furious storming of Congress by the American people?
How many carbon credits do we need to offset one polar bear?
You know, species bred for human consumption run zero risk of going extinct…
sausage,
take AEI out of the equation. what about the other litany of scientists saying the same thing, who ARENT under that umbrella? What about the founder of the weather channel? He’s said its a huge hoax. Is he full of crap too?
Just saying.
You’re both brilliant AND beautiful!
Thats the answer! Polar bear farms! They taste like chicken, we can raise them like chicken too…and with all the space up there thats not habited…HUGE polar bear farms as far as the eye can see. And PETA would LOVE IT! Free range bear! no big cages, none of that gamey taste…all that lovely bear meat.
Here’s a recipe!
http://www.astray.com/recipes/?show=Roast+polar+bear
ROFL
This is the start of a lovely new enterprise. Polar Bear Spam anyone?
Tbear
never let truth and accuracy ever getting in the way of the GW nimrods. Oh and sausage?
Besides what others have said… you’re righteous indignation about AEI would be best used against the Soros money and influence issues. Not willing to do that? I thought not.
Bad science strikes again.
If the enviro-idiots don’t send us back to the 7th century lifestyle, the jihadis will. We’re doomed.
The polar bears at the Houston zoo do fine in the summer,average temp of around 95 with 90% humidity.
Kenneth Green is not an expert on polar bears. His article has about half a page of slightly technical discussion that does not offer evidence that he’s studied the issue in any detail. Regulations require the good people at the Interior Department to do detailed quantitative studies before making recommendations. It takes gall to Green to say that his dashed off paragraphs carry more weight than real systematic studies.
Yep. Remember the Scopes monkey trial?
Some want to do away with the human species. I say we piss them of and keep breeding.
While we’re at it, why not discuss the direct link between staunch, biased proponents of man-made global warming and the massive amount of profiteering that they are responsible for.
cough>Manbearpig<cough
Right, no money to be made screaming that the sky is falling and you alone have the means to stop it…for a price.
lgm being the expert on who knows what of course.
Should we pile on? I say:
Get him!
Selective breeding, please - maybe we can breed out trolls. Imagine - a whole race of people who can reason and understand the truth!
lgm doesn’t rate serious consideration.
Good point about ManBearPig. He is no expert on science but his opinion means everything to a troll. The man will not even debate the subject of Gorebal warming as he knows he will come of as the a$$ we all know him to be.
Only since January 2007, but it hasn’t been warming since 1998.
cpo,
I guess when I said “we” it was understood as us and not them. That being said, we still need people who say; “do you want fries with that?”
lgm
I would point your “who doesnt know what they’re talking about” in this direction.
to quote:
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Soooooooo, we REALLY dont KNOW how many there are…just that the computer told us. THERE’S an accurate science there!
The locals are saying there’s more now than there was a decade ago.
So, if Kenneth Green doesn’t know anything about polar bears, is it safe to assume that the local indian tribes do? Or are they too backwards and not scientific enough to actually SEE there are more bears.
Kenneth, on the other hand, I would believe, knows about weather. I’ll go with that for now.
End of the work day, glad I could shatter one more argument of yours, thanks!
Till tomorrow!
Robots. I’d rather have robots serving me fries than have idiots reproducing.
Besides, robots won’t do nasty things to your food.
Polar bears need to be stopped! (HT Ace of Spades HQ)
Evil polar bears
As I noted on a different thread, leberals are always championing darwinism as an undisputed fact! Evolution is the natural order of things!
Ok. So if Polar Bears are unable to adapt, are they NOT destined for natural deselection?
I think the liberals should go up there and use their children as human shields. That way the bears will be fed and fewer libs will procreate.
Talk about your win-win.
All these people who believe in Gullible Warming are stuck on stupid. Problem is it has consequences - bad ones - for everyone.
You can fool some of the people all of the time. Abe was right. And so was P.T. Barnum - he just underestimated the frequency.
Polar bears didn’t die off when we had massive global warming several thousand years ago, and they didn’t die off when we had global warming back in 1000 A.D.. So what makes it certain that they will die off now? I know…power, money and politics. There are some of us who know history and know that such things exist only in the minds of those who want money and power. They try to scare us into thinking we’ll have massive species extinction due to the faulty global warming predictions, so that we will succumb to their environmental extremist beliefs. I look at them as fools. Unfortunately, people will believe them because they don’t know any better. The earth has gone through global warming and global cooling. It’s the nature of the planet; yet, species adapt and survive. I, again, ask the question…why do they call that large island to the north, Greenland? And, no, it wasn’t to attract Viking tourists and settlers as some people will insist.
Gee their habitat must be really endangered.
Just another Spotted Owl farce that after a decade of litigation and billions in waste some scientist will be forced to admit, they lied.
Does this mean an increase in the price of Polar Bear meat.
If they are going to be fair, they should also protect the BLACK BEAR or is that the African-American bear.
And the La Raza bear.
Can a Polar bear be arrested for eating a Spotted owl or for clubing a baby seal?
#8 grumbles!!! Maybe we could start with unborn children??
Well gosh, they could just pass a law ordering the global temperature to go back down, because everyone knows the world revolves around us.
The PowerLine guys had a post on this and linked to a Hugh Hewitt analysis of the far reaching impacts of even this designation.
Simply incredible.
This is a perfect example of the down the middle path that has shown this administration’s total stupidity.
Go to war, but fight it in a PC, let’s not shoot at mosques sort of way.
Let the NYTimes print secrets, whine about it, but not investigate anything other than the fantasy outing of secret agent girl Valarie.
List an increased population of polar bears as EDS, but then pretend that it won’t be used as an excuse by the EnviroWacos to control just about everything.
Sickening.
LOL, and “Paper or Plastic.” We can really upset them and say paper inside of plastic”
As someone who is, unfortunately, somewhat familiar with court decisions dealing with “adequate assessment,” that’s double-speak for the judge saying “you didn’t reach the conclusion I wanted” and has little to do with any actual sitation in this little thing the rest of us call “factual reality.”
Oh, and I also love the ad hominem attacks, from both sides. Just because your funding comes from somewhere does not in any way discount the actual information or automatically make it wrong. It calls for greater scrutiny of their interpretations, but does not in any way logically invalidate said conclusions. For example, a hungry cook is perfectly capable of telling if his steak is cooked enough, even if he’s starving; his hunger (ie funding) does not necessarily impact his judgement, and to automatically jump to such a conclusion is illogical and wrong.
I’ve been so hungry that I found myself praising the tastiness and component quality of the MRE’s I was eating.
Speak for yourself. I’ve never seen a cockroach in my house. The scorpions keep them down.
Hey now, I wouldn’t knock the MRE. There’s worse out there, and now that I’m doing camping I’m kinda missing them.
But seriously, you prove my point: carefully inspect someone’s interpretations if they’ve recieved suspect funding (i.e. does it taste “good” is entirely an opinion), but their hunger does not prove their inability to judge objective qualities of the food (was it spoiled? dirty? the package opened?). Even Marine-corps-training-hungry, everyone knows better than to eat the jalapeno cheese spread unless you can spend half an hour in the head afterwards.
It’s high time for torches and pitch forks. By giving in to these leftist eco-nuts we’re seriously endangering this country.
If Shakespeare were alive today one of his famous lines from one of his plays would read: “First thing we do is kill all the environmentalists!”
sorry, I’m new at this… I also have to learn not to exhale, I don’t want to add anymore co2 to the greenhouse gasses. (have to keep “our candidate happy)
I wasn’t disagreeing, I was just being a smartass.
I disagree about the Jalapeno cheese spread, however.
I wish for a change some smart person in a position to be heard would simply ask these eco-fools what the precise level of CO2 should be? Same for water vapor, and for that matter, what is the exact optimum mean temperature? They can’t answer any of these or a thousand other questions anybody could pose in the same vein.
After the last ice age made North America habitable, who got the blame for the GLOBAL WARMING.
And why didn’t our ancestors save the Dinosaurs.
John McCain is stupid enough to believe he can stick his hand inside a crodiles mouth and come back with fingers.
Giving in to wackos emboldens them.
Yesterday I waiting in the Doctor’s office and was offered a magazine. My response was ‘Anything non-political’ because I just didn’t want to read anymore at that moment.
Anyway, I chose ‘Audubon’ because I like nice photography of birds. So what’s the first thing I read? Some inane article rating Presidents based on how many species they place on the endagered species list every year! They had a graph showing the number came to a screeching halt when Dubya came into office. It peaked during the Clinton years. I about choked!
I was thinking, ‘yay Dubya!’ and then I read this today! UGH
You know, I’m an animal lover and make personal decisions from what kind of eggs I eat to not eating meat, etc. for myself. I would never place those restrictions on anyone else. But this thinking doesn’t make me lose rational thought concerning the world like it seems to do to liberals.
THOUSANDS of species have gone extinct over the millenia and the world has not ceased to exist from the loss of any of them!!
What is WRONG with people? Rhetorical… this stuff just makes me so mad. Every day more evidence of a crazy world with their priorities all messed up and upside down.
I love it longbow. I want to use it too if you don’t mind.
Too true. The Snail Darter redux. You watch this morph into Canadian laws that shut down their tar sands and most of their oil. The lawsuits are on the way to court as we speak. And yet, this crap is from models. The same models that can’t tell us what the weather 10 days from now will be with any accuracy can tell us what the sea ice will be like 10 years from now. Yeah. Sure. These models also tell us what the Polar Bears will do in reaction. Yeah. Sure. We’re screwed.
Sigh… Law Student?
Um, out of curiosity, have any experience in the real world?
Its a well known fact that funding tends to dry up, and not get extended, when you come to conclusions different from what the forces providing funding want.
If the grant is to study Global Warming, and you find there is none, then why would they continue your funding? They move on to someone who will find what THEY are looking for.
Please go read up on how DDT became illegal, and how many people that decision has killed worldwide in the last 30 years.
I would also add, that as soon as Lawyers get involved in science, science becomes a matter of opinion, not fact. There are people constantly paid in court to be “expert witnesses”… who will spout a particular opinion. It then becomes a matter of which witness is “more convincing”, or fits the already biased opinion of that court, than who has the better science.
Face it, Judges are NOT equiped to decide scientific fact, just legal opinion…
Load the bears all up on a ship and make them into “South Polar Bears.” Last time I looked, the Antarctic ice was getting bigger. Might as well send a boatload of liberals down there to keep them “company,” too. Dinner guests, anyone? Problem solved. Unless the bears eat so much that we put the libs on the threatened species list, too.
We couldn’t get that lucky….
Let me see if I understand this.
We value polar bears more than unborn babies??
Polar bears are nothing but brown bears that have adapted to the artic. They turned white and grew longer claws to hunt their primary food, seals. If we kill them all, we can make new ones, just grab some Kodiak Brown bears and move them north.
Polar bears have been around for about 200,000 years. Polar bears went through the last ice age, and they made it through the Holocene climate optimum, when the temperatures were 4-5 degrees C higher than today and the Boreal Forest grew right up to the Arctic Ocean. They also survived the medieval warm period when temperatures were warmer that today and the Vikings named Greenland ‘Greenland’ for a reason.
When the Vikings reached North America, a journey that today would be impossible because of the rough seas and sea ice, the Arctic Ocean was nearly free of ice. Now there is ice everywhere.
If you want to check the satellite photos for sea ice go here for the Arctic
http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh
and here for the Antarctic
http://nsidc.org/cgi-bin/bist/bist.pl?annot=1&legend=1&scale=100&tab_cols=2&tab_rows=2&config=seaice_index&submit=Refresh&mo0=04&hemis0=S&img0=extn&mo1=04&hemis1=S&img1=conc&year0=1980&year1=2008&.cgifields=no_panel
When your government looks you in the eye and lies, you know you have a problem. Well that is exactly what McAmnesty did and what Bush is doing today. Flat lying, there are more polar bear today than there were in the 50s when market hunting pushed polar bears to near extinction — Today there are 3x as many as the 50s. And yes market hunting was not all in the US, they were hunted everywhere countries touched the the Arctic.
As a conservative animal rights activist, I applaud this. Why should animals suffer because of our largess? I think we should adopt high mileage vehicle and be thoughtful about how our habits effect the earth. If we are to be fully human, that means kindness and thoughtfulness to all creatures, not just to ourselves.
libocrat - We also value snail darters and minnows more than unborn babies. There’s a list of things a mile long we value more than unborn babies.
This world is sick and psycho.
What in the Blank is wrong with the Republicans? Arnold, cut the sanctuary State policy and you don’t have to raise our taxes.
F’ing RINO.
Librocrat
It’s not an either or equation. One can be against killing human babies and against animal suffering. It’s good to be against both.
I wish pro lifers would consider the unspeakable suffering billions of animals undergo because of us and I wish animal activists would consider the immorality of killing babies in the womb.
Soliel - Why do you assume we aren’t against animal suffering?
But to place animals on an equal to or higher plane than humans is WRONG.
Soliel,
What does treating animals better have to do with Gorebal warming?
The Polar bear numbers have increased over the decades. AlGore used and example of 4 dead bears as his concern for Gorebal warming.
If you have a problem with Global Warming take it up with the sun which is hotter that it was 50 years ago (and also melting the polar ice caps on Mars as well).
Also Soliel - To place a species of animal as more important than our national safety is incredibly short-sighted. If our nation does not survive, then it’s a matter of who takes us over and will they care? Hardly.
It’s like the Unions who ‘cared’ so much about their own wages they unioned themselves right out of jobs.
We can care ourselves right out of our country. You have to have balance!
Joy,
Have I told you how much I enJOY your posts?
I believe NBC is working on an expose showing how global warming will cause polar bears to catch fire and explode - much like those trucks.
What I don’t understand is why the “oilman” Bush did this? Did someone, somewhere who is not an oil company make a large donation to the Bush II Library fund?
Oh wait, that’s how Clinton worked in his final days.
The lines between Republican and Democrat continue blurring……
Why thank you… happy happy joy joy!
I appreciate yours too!
Oh how true that statement is. Add to it the regulations coming as a result of this Gorebull Warming B.S., and watch all the corps head to India, if they are not already there.
Well, we can pretty much count on gas prices to continue their upward trend.
There is only so far this trend can continue before even the most fanatical tree hugger realizes he/she can no longer afford to gas up the old VW bus to get to where any trees are for the hugging.
Watch how fast the polar bears get de-listed then.
Most environmentalists are elitists who will create a controlled economy which lets them enjoy the the good life.
$10.00 gasoline is getting closer. We will ride the bus, while the rich drive their cars and congratulate themselves on their goodness and far- sighted salvation of the world.
Looks like two more things should be added onto the threatened list:
True Conservatives and common sense.
funny….
Eureka!! That’s the ticket… we need to press to get Conservatives listed on the endangered species list!!
$10/gal gasoline will collapse the United States economy, and along with it will go the rest of the planet’s economies. Who knows where, or how it will end.
However, world leaders, such as Ahmadinejad, are counting on that to fulfill their apocalyptic, islamic dreams.
Better stock up on ammo, and save the last round for yourself, because there will be a lot more dire consequences than whether you ride on a bus or in a limo.
A crash is on the horizon it has been building for decades. People are going to be hungry without power or gas through lack of availability or lack of funds . The elites may have nice houses but they wont be able to leave them to enjoy that good life they think they are creating. When this starts to occur I would not want to be an elite I would not want my mug shot out there linked with the environitwits or anyone else deemed responsible. It will be extra tough on animals people will be killing and eating anything they can get hold of few will care. Like Ted Turner sez we will become cannibals. After the animals run out, my guess is that elites will be the first ones on the menu. Going green will have a whole new meaning.
It’s already that in the UK and in many other countries… American drivers will have to put up with paying as much as many other places in the world already do and have been for years
Anyone who has visited Europe would notice how many small cars they are - that is for a reason…very expensive gas!
Look around American streets and all you see is big trucks and SUVs with one person in them… that will soon change.
In the year twenty five twenty five, if polar bears are still alive.
If woman can survive they may find……..
conservative animal rights activist = oxymoron of the day.
Which animals are conservative??
It’s about control boys and girls, ladies and gentlemen. Libs crave it. It’s about socialism and riding busses. It’s about them having your money to consolidate their power. The MSM has beaten the drum and beaten the drum. The NOBEL committee the Hollywierd “ACADEMY”. Bill Moyers, University professors. Pound pound pound pound pound. What is SHOCKING is a man who had his bones broken and was tortured by Jane Fonda’s friends the N.V. Commies, didn’t have the backbone to stand up to liberals and the MSM.
He decided that his road to the Presidency ran through Berkely, San Fran, Madison and Austin. He showed that his ego is more important than his principles. McCain has no clue what kind of damage he has done to his party and America. Then President Bush who has been ass-raped by the left, throws them a bone.
Stupid. Very stupid.
So now polar bears have become the new snail darters in the Loony Left’s mad game of linking everything to global warming within seven degrees. Even McCain is gibbering nonsense about global warming.
The difference is that Americans will not put up with over speculation when it comes to pricing oil. The British will take an increase or tax hike with a smile.
The market will dictate what vehicles we drive in the short term, as it should. However, American innovation will eventually win out. Sausage you need to leave your knickers in England, and start thinking like us. We drive in Cadillac style over here!!!!
The problem with this Polar Bear thing is that the science is based on mostly geographic future predictions, without considering the present population. They can’t base the science of a species on future geographical information that maybe false.
/s/
the guerilla
These global warming wackos need to remember that Greenland once had a temperate climate and now is a frozen tundra. I think there were polar bears back then. It is quite possible that a warm Greenland is the norm and frozen ice packs are not. The polar bears will adjust to the climate changes as they always have.In the meantime, we have to put up with all the junk science alarmists.
Now I can get on board with this. It’s long but makes sense.
Seems more like the Republicans should be classified as a ‘Threatened Species’
Amen brother. Speaking of innovation (this one from Guy Nègre, so not American in this case) have you seen the air car?
Air Car
Most people who have their own garage have their own air compressor too. Talk about cheap gas
Yeah, the air car is pretty impressive. They should design one for an American market. After coming back from Iraq, I decided I didn’t want my money to go to the Middle East anymore. I currently drive one FFV (ethanol) and one Diesel with a veggie conversion. The Diesel can run on number 2 diesel, biofuel 100, or straight vegetable oil. Options are out there, people just have to find them. I guess you could say I’m responsible for the food shortage. It’s more important to me that I made this decision, because my brother is now in Iraq.
Indeed, I think once they figure out how to make the car meet all the safety standards for impact it will come here to the US. Plus I think they need to add a built in air compressor on the engine that runs off the main belt. That would constantly refill the tanks while in motion, and if perfected would make a near perpetual motion car that could run for weeks non-stop.
Won’t be a huge seller anyhow for many despite the no-gas usage and no-pollution. It only gets just over 60 mph and goes 125 miles currently. It’s a city-use econo-car atm, but the technology is still new.
Thats just cruel to the bears. I can’t imagine liberals taste good at all.
Anybody here seen these bears in the wild? I have and they are impressive. When I worked on an evil drill ship in the Arctic Ocean there was one bear who would swim the 1 to 2 miles out to the ship and play with the bouys. He seemed to think they were giant toys.
At some point the silent majority is going to get fed up. The problem is no one has stepped up as a leader. The Republicans are turning their back on their constituancy and sold out to the liberals. When America wakes up then we will finally have change.
I’m personally out of hope. The signs are everywhere (a radical, racist, idiot like Obama is a step away from running (ruining?) George Washington’s Kick-ass company, etc-why go on?). The MTV generation has finally won. This (no it is NOT an exaggeration) could very well be end-game. This is exactly what they’ve been waiting for and this decision gave it to them. The slow decent has started. I won’t live to see it, but my kids may, and THEIR kids absolutely will.
JWS, I’m an glass half full guy, BUT, when the CRITICAL MASS of SOCIETY, is/are TAKERS, and when the DEMOGOGUES, Rodham being the quintessential liar, continue to FEED the beast. And those who co-dependently EXPECT something FROM someone else. WE ARE FUQQED.
Socialism/Communism had NEVER worked.
That is what Rodham and Obama are selling.
Free lunch. Someone else pays. Take EXXONS profits.
But don’t touch OBAMA nor RODHAMS book advances nor residuals.
When we American industry is completely CASTRATED and American business is REGULATED beyond profitability.
WHO PAYS FOR RETIREMENTS?
WHO has a PROFIT MOTIVE to be CREATIVE and to RESEARCH??
Meanwhile, Obama and Rodham have a “PAID SPEECH” to give.
JWS - That’s where you and I disagree, I think it’s going to be a FAST decent. The pace is quickening every day. The slow descent began many years ago.
My guess is we’ll all see it within the next few years.
Azygos - I bet liberals taste like Orcses… and they doesn’t taste very good does they precious? (Hope you’re up on LOTR)
Seems “common sense” is an endangered species of thought.
#39 LarryD said:
Thanks for the info and the link, Larry.
#72 tarpon said:
I thought I read something like that recently. So the whackos are “predicting” that the polar bear will become endangered someday. While they’re predicting, what will the weather be one week from tomorrow?
#76 soliel said:
You’re just saying that because you know animals can’t speak, right, Mr. Smartypants?
Liberals probably taste rotten, just like their politics.
That’s not an oxymoron at all. A conservative animal rights activist just understand that the rights of the human animal come first.
On May 14th, 2008 at 6:01 pm, Romeo13 said:
First of all, grants for research are not pay-for-play; you get the funding, THEN do the study. Thus, the issue is residual bias from the “gratitude” from providing funding as I was saying, not some quid pro quo arrangement as you imply. As for future expectations of funding coloring their findings, you can always pick up funding from the other side: if Exxon drops your funding b/c you’re too liberal, the US gov’t, UNESCO, G. Soros, etc will gladly pick it up.
As for the judges: um, that’s kinda what I said… I’m not sure how you’re disagreeing.
oh, and PS, relying on the statement “It is a well known fact” without some sort of further proof is itself a logical fallacy.
Well….I guess it’s time to buy the bicycle, plant a small veggie garden, and learn home canning.