Gay pride stickers in, pro-life shirts and Marine uniforms out
When it rains, it pours.
A federal judge rules that schools must allow students to wear gay pride stickers and clothes.
But wear a pro-life t-shirt to school? Read about the harassment fifth-grader Helena Yoest faced. Hello, ACLU?
And what about a Marine uniform for high school graduation?
P.C. rules.
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You’re absolutely right that the ACLU should insist that all speech is protected.
Can’t wait till this storm is over.
A shirt that said “Choose Life” would be OK. A shirt with disturbing pictures of aborted fetuses is not OK.
If cap and gown is required, it is required, period. Nothin wrong here.
Can I wear my “Straight Pride” shirt to school?!
Don’t forget. You better not pray or invoke the name of Jesus or God at a graduation ceremony either. You would not want to exclude those “inclusive” groups that tolerate everybody except you!
The Supreme Court of the Peoples Republic of California overturned the voter imposed ban on gay marriage. Time to leave the nut job state. The clowns are running the circus.
I find myself agreeing with lgm on this a bit. If the shirt shows something gross, then maybe…but if it doesnt, as rusty says, it should be protected and allowed.
Graduation, yes…cap and gown is the order of the day. However, if he’s wearing it under his gown, I don’t see a problem.
Back when I graduated, a cap & gown was required. No other form of clothing was acceptable. That was almost 20 years ago.
And I can say that my alma mater here in California usually has at least one prayer during the opening of the graduation ceremony.
And as far as Helena Yoest goes, (I can’t believe I’m about to say this). . .I agree with lgm.
T.L.H.
Do as I say, not as I do.
Boy, we could by a nice house if we homeschool and stop giving a flip about school districts.
Hmmm….
Aborted fetus….no, Abortion yes, gay pride… yes, standard bigotry no, religious anti gay…yes
If others have worn other than cap and gown before….. yes, if not…. no
Pithy?…lol
The Marine Uniform thing… it appears that the school is setting a uniform policy for all (something a Marine should understand).
As long as they have done that, there should be no difficulty, legal or otherwise.
I’m still a bit annoyed that my high school did not let my sister wear some lei’s I’d shipped her from Hawaii for her graduation. But since they didn’t allow anyone to wear anything beyond the provided graduation apparel, there wasn’t much I could complain about now, was there?
But since they didn’t allow anyone to wear anything beyond the provided graduation apparel, there wasn’t much I could complain about now, was there?
The trick there, is to bring them to the ceremony under the gown, and only put them on once the cermony has started. They won’t interrupt the ceremony over a lei.
I know, because of several Hawaiian classmates in my graduating engineering class, who did that exact thing to get around the school policy.
The engineering professors complimented them on the leis after the ceremony
Its quite disgraceful when being the majority makes you a minority.
The Pro-life shirts just show two stages of growth (Growing - Growing), then a black square( - Gone). Nothing graphic. That the message is offensive to the pro-abortion side does not make it graphically offensive and it is a double standard with the rainbow stickers.
I agree on the cap & gown only during the graduation ceremony as long as the rule is applied to everyone.
Stop the presses!
lUGgEm lies again.
Yeah, the cap-and-gown is kinda a non-issue, especially as if they make the exception for him, then who knows what kind of lunacy they may have to allow in the future? He could always wear his uniform to prom!
lgm:
Wrong. The shirt does not have pictures of “aborted fetuses.” The pictures appear to be of a
fetusbaby in the whomb.So lgm, an “aborted fetuses” is disturbing to you, but the act of aborting a fetus isn’t?
Furthermore lgm, the pictures on the t-shirts are no different than the images used in 5th grade health class.
Why? Is the reality of abortion too much for you?
It’s not glamorous, but that’s the reality. Don’t like it? Don’t look at the t-shirt.
I find my self in agreement with LGM….Keeping in mind there have to be rules set for dress code and it must be adhered to and enforced for all.
When I was in school, you couldn’t have T-shirts with pot leaves on them but you could wear the FCA (fellowship of christian athletes) shirts which showed a cross. Only a tiny bit of a double standard because pot is illegal and FCA was a school club.
Who really cares that somebody has a rainbow or “choose life” or even a cross on their shirt? But you have to set some guidelines somewhere..
I personally think uniforms in schools would go a long way towards minimizing many issues that kids go through in school…but it is just my humble opinion.
Oh, snap!
Nice one, EQ!
Were you referring to the actual “Growing, Growing, Gone” t-shirt in the link or speaking more generally? I thought those were pictures of growing fetuses, not disturbing pictures… Don’t they still show young students pictures of growng fetuses in health?
There’s a good argument….don’t look! LOL ….2 men making out in the park….dont look. I can imagine all you uber conservatives agreeing with the don’t like, don’t look policy. Am I at Malkin’s blog or Huffingtons?
That’s kind of my reasoning as well Ditkaca. Doesn’t have anything to do with abortion as an issue.
Hell, many schools partially or fully banned red & blue clothing for a while in Cali, because of gangs, and a fear of disruption of the learning environment. There have to be lines.
However, I have a big issue with any parent who sends their 5th grader to school in either a Gay Pride OR a Pro-Life shirt. Who the heck sends a 5th grader to school in a shirt featuring fetuses (in the womb or otherwise)?!?
I do agree that uniforms are the best route. Especially given the fashion choices young people make (and their parents support) these days.
SO… we do have a counter
to the ACLU;;
The American Life League!
We also have young warriors on the fronts lines… in our schools!!!!
YEH
LALFL
PS…
The two Young WARRIORS:
The fifth grader and the young Marine.
PSS:
Where do you go to get the pro-life shirt?
So rainbows make the principal think of gay sex? LOL. I wonder if he locks himself in the basement whenever it rains.
Both the gay pride stuff and the pro-life stuff should have been allowed. The uniform is another thing entirely, though I could see a school making an exception specifically for military uniforms.
EQ, as much as I respect you on most things, I cant agree on this one.
I dont think the tshirt in question is offensive.
But I don’t want my small children going to school and seeing something grotesque or vulgar. Besides I am (when these 2 are old enough) sending them to be educated, not to make political statements.
the “dont look” approach here doesn’t really work. It also doesnt apply, because the shirt in question is not vulgar or shows something over the top. its words. its simple. and the point is made.
And RR, the pictures of those in books are for educational purposes…they dont (normally, tho its been a while since i was in school) have those in there with propaganda.
Dont know. i just dont think something gross belongs on a child to begin with. I dont see where this shirt is offensive. I dont think she should be made to remove it and leave it home, etc. But I just cannot agree with the “well, if you dont like it, dont look” argument. our friends on the other side of the aisle use that on us far too often, and I find myself far too vigilant and involved, to do so.
abstractmind - but the argument was made (by lgm I think) that the message is okay, vulgar images are not. The way I see it, the shirt doesn’t use any banned language and the images are not vulgar, so what’s the problem?
I do, however, agree that some debates really don’t belong in public schools. But, if that type of “propaganda” is not against school policy for all issues, than the appropriateness of the shirts depend on the language and images used.
I’m just pointing out that many pro-abortion activists argue that if you don’t like abortion, don’t have one and it’s not an issue.
I don’t like the pictures, don’t think they belong in a school.
But I find it rather ironic (nay, hypocritical) for those who are pro-abortion to argue it’s “too graphic” for public view and/or children when they fail to realize those graphic pictures are what happens to children in an abortion.
“Tolerance is the virtue of a man with no convictions.”
Dont like……..dont look
“The tendency to turn human judgments into divine commands makes religion one of the most dangerous forces in the world”.
Which is why atheism and secular governments took 100 MILLION lives in the 20th century, right?
Yep.
Schools should go back to Mandatory Uniforms.
I find it appalling that the MSM any other public institutions feel it appropriate to refer to an unborn, human baby as a fetus. No amount of mincing of words will change the fact that abortion is murder, albeit prior to birth. Would it be OK if I killed someone on the street because I didn’t want them around as long as I called them a “mature fetus”?
The mind is a powerful weapon for the creation of false appeasement – given enough time I’m sure I could come up with a “rational” explanation for every bad thing I’ve ever done. Thankfully I am strong willed enough to resist such impure thoughts (mostly…and for those that I am not I beg God for his forgiveness).
“Tolerance” and “Acceptance” are not congruent terms. I can tolerate “Gay Pride”, but I don’t have to accept it.
lgm spouted: A shirt that said “Choose Life” would be OK. A shirt with disturbing pictures of aborted fetuses is not OK.
the only aborted fetus in regards to her shirt and this thread is your aborted sense of truth…. you “choose” to see an aborted fetus when in actuality there are simply two photos of healthy growing fetuses (feti?)
EQ, you’re right. people who are pro-abortion dont want to see the work they’ve wrought.
But i’m not on their side. I chose life for my children. I dont want *them* exposed to it. its me defending them.
As far as being visible…the state law (whichever it was, i think OK?) that requires people to look at the ultrasound before they abort…is a good idea. makes them think first.
A school’s dress code ought to say simply that t-shirts with ANY political or religious messages aren’t allowed. That way no one will have anything to complain about. Especially an elementary school– good grief– how many elementary school aged kids do you know who actually HAVE political opinions (beyond parroting things they’ve heard their parents say)?
I don’t necessarily think uniforms are necessary, though. In fact, the public school system in my county went to required uniforms when I was in high school, and all it did was give the teachers and administrators one more thing to worry about– making sure everyone was in proper uniform. Which meant less time devoted to teaching. If people would just commit themselves to employing common sense when dressing themselves (or their children) for school, there wouldn’t be a problem.
My point exactly. You pretty much either have to allow it all (political wear from both sides of the aisle), or allow neither. In the case of a grammar school, I come down firmly on the side of neither.
this is an outcome from the genius Morse v. Frederick, where the court ruled schools could restrict speech that was contrary to the schools’ mission. while it may have seemed like it was about a bunch of stoners who wanted to say BONG HITS 4 JESUS, it actually pertained to speech like this too.
You love abortion little girly man, why don’t you want to see it’s after affects? Afraid what would happen if people did. You’re such a brave keyboard warrior.
Come on terrig, that’s beneath you. You know lgm was referring to a kid in the fifth grade wearing such a shirt. . .not the wearing of the shirt in other situations. . .although I imagine he doesn’t exactly approve of that either.
Case law says that any “discrimination” against political speech must be content-neutral. Therefore, you would be best served by not allowing any logo t-shirts to be worn. Barring that, no graphics. Any.
Well Yashmak, I realize the kid was in 5th grade but for the little girly man, he doesn’t want it out there for anyone to see at all. He doesn’t want the folks to see the what happens and he has said before that he thinks abortion is the greatest thing. He’s all for it, you remember how he constantly hijacks threads with his aboriton yapyap. He thinks pro-death shirts are fine, pro-gay shirts are fine but if someone has a pro-life shirt or pro-military shirt on, he’s disgusted. He does love abortion though and it’s a sad fact but true fact.
Hmm, maybe I missed it, but, I didn’t see any gross or vulgar images on the t-shirt. Unless you count a black square as vulgar.
As for the young Marine, that’s another story. If the uniform requirement had been in place all along, fine, no problem. But it’s my understanding that there was no set standard in place until the young Marine sought permission to wear his uniform. Only after they thought there would be a uniformed service member in the ceremony did they come up with the policy. Seems like a pretty chicken-shimp course of action to me.
I read the post about the girl with the Pro-Life T-shirt and I swear I thought she said she went to her locker and got a letter from the American League that got her out of trouble and couldn’t wait to see how baseball tied into it. Her actual letter made more sense.
Brave girl.
someone asked earlier where do I get the shirt.. they are on http://www.prolifegear.com enjoy!