31,072 scientists John McCain needs to talk to
This morning at the National Press Club, The Petition Project will release the names of more than 31,000 scientists who reject the Gore Theory of Manmade Global Warming. Dr. Arthur Robinson of the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine spearheaded the project:
Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine (OISM)
Who: Dr. Arthur Robinson of the OISM
What: release of names in OISM “Petition Project”
When: 10 AM, Monday May 19
Where: Holeman Lounge at the National Press Club, 529 14th St., NW, Washington, DC
Why: the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine (OISM) will announce that more than 31,000 scientists have signed a petition rejecting claims of human-caused global warming. The purpose of OISM’s Petition Project is to demonstrate that the claim of “settled science” and an overwhelming “consensus” in favor of the hypothesis of human-caused global warming and consequent climate damage is wrong. No such consensus or settled science exists. As indicated by the petition text and signatory list, a very large number of American scientists reject this hypothesis.
It is evident that 31,072 Americans with university degrees in science - including 9,021 PhDs, are not “a few.” Moreover, from the clear and strong petition statement that they have signed, it is evident that these 31,072 American scientists are not “skeptics.”
More info here.
“If I am elected President,” John McCain told voters last week, “I will work with anyone who sincerely wants to get this country moving again. I will listen to any idea that is offered in good faith and intended to help solve our problems, not make them worse.”
He’ll talk to far Left bloggers for the Huffington Post.
How about talking to these scientists before he pushes any further with his climate change agenda?
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He don’t need to talk to them, he’s using the democrat election playbook to run his campaign…the one with the forward written by Al Gore.
It’s a case of not needing to know the weather…just which way the wind blows.
I predict the petition will be ridiculed by the enviromental leftists. They’ll say the scientists are all be funded by big oil. They won’t be “real scientists”. (like Al Gore?) They’ll say the science is settled and anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot. That is, if it gets any publicity at all in the MSM.
Scientists? I don’t see any scientists…
don’t ’scientists’ usually get their degrees in english and philosophy?
It may be too late. The sky is falling!
The inmates have escaped the asylum.
Clearly someone hasn’t gotten the memo… It’s no longer MMGW! It’s Man Made Climate Change. I noticed the MSM changed their mantra this past spring when there was so much cold weather hanging on up north. Can’t have that now, what with all this MMGWarming…. LOL. So they changed it to MMCC!!! See. No matter what happens when the weather is not perceived as being “average”. It’s all because of Evil Mankind! Hug a tree today! LOL.
Here in Olympia WA we had a hot day in May therfore global warming must be for real! Save us Al!
Dr. Arthur Robinson deserves real praise for this initiative. Maybe there is some way to nudge Johnny Boy into seeing the light….
I’ve said it before…
McAnal is our MOST dangerous presidential candidate.
Of the three, he has the potential to do the WORST and MOST damage, and…
we all know IT.
Notice how you can change a few words and get the left’s standard arguement for a lot of subjects.
I agree with Rohan & Tennessee Dave. They nailed it!
I have been waiting for the ‘real’ scientists to speak. I was trained as a physicist and chemist; I worked on NASA and EPA projects. Some cleanup of pollution was necessary; total cleanup is impossible to pay for and not needed. I do not wish to live in the stone age. Let Al Gore pay for any changes - he has the money now. Warming causes freezing? Warming caused all the disasters recently? What a crock. Carbon footprint? This is the old EPA emission pollution system renewed; polluters could buy emission credits from those who produced little or no emissions; thus polluters were granted ’sanctuary’ against penalties.
Funny how science always turns into economics under politicians.
These people make me sick. Since when does water vapor and carbon dioxide ruin the world? Now warming is not warming but change? Good grief. I will NOT accept the premise that mankind is causing global warming. What if they decide the sun is really to ‘blame’ for warming or ‘change’; will they then go after the sun and decide to change it? I saw one TV show that had a giantic umbrella over the earth to avoid too much sunlight. I thought this was a cartoon but the people on TV seemed serious.
I will NEVER accept someone’s computer model for anything. Where are these people’s brains? Any dolt can write bad code; it does not make it real or truly predictive. Journalists and Hollywood appear to believe that anything connected to the computer world must be real and accurate.
Even the weather and history channels now broadcast shows that state manmade warming as fact. The press has made this the new religion. What idiots. I do not want my grandchildren to be indoctrinated by truly BAD science by idiots who flunked science in school. Nuts. It is time the real scientists spoke up. And speak loudly.
Tennessee Dave - Very good point!
I also agree that the petition will be discounted not only by the left but by McCain as well. He’ll accuse them of being conservatives or something…
He’ll accuse them of being conservatives; Obama will accuse them of being bitter, gun wielding Christians.
Then John will lie and say “OK, we’ll build a fence for these so-called scientists to meet at,” and Obama will remind everyone not to make any sudden movements.
What’s the problem?
Actually I think Al Gore is peeved that McCain is trying to steal his thunder. I just saw this story it appears that Al Gore, in a commencement speech, has decided that global warming is the “most serious crisis our civilization has ever confronted” and that we can be heroes like World War II vets or the Founding Fathers by becoming a major buyer of retail wind power.
Political synonym for TALK is PANDER
Rohan & Tennessee Dave, BINGO.
You know, I think I posted my earlier diatribe under the wrong thread…it’s under the Weekend Open Thread and is comment #83.
I doubt the MSM will pick it up…I seriously do. Why? It doesn’t fit their agenda for one thing. It also flies in the face of what Mr. Gore has been saying.
Scientists who disagree with the manmade global warming hysteria have been told that their views are “out of touch with the current prevailing practice.” And that practice is that mankind has caused this.
In the aforementioned post, I pointed out that climate change(s) on Earth are cyclical. They have been for many millions of years. Dimsdale took it a step further and pointed out that the way the climate is now might not be the way it’s “supposed” to be on this planet. The truth is, as Dimsdale pointed out, we really don’t know.
On Mother’s Day, when I took my parents out for dinner, I overheard one of the waitresses talking about global warming. I spoke with her for a few minutes, asking her what she knew. She said that her teachers had said it’s a man-made problem, that mankind is the sole cause of the problem. And, that the teachers hadn’t mentioned the fact that the great bulk of serious scientists have stated otherwise.
It almost made me lose my appetite.
McCain does not have the temperament to admit he is wrong. If you thought he did so after shamnety. you missed “comprehensive immigration reform” statement as his lesson learned after the amnesty debate- not border enforcement as he previously stated.
CRIKEY! Um…I didn’t mean to underline the entire bloody thing!
Sorry about that!!
(In a voice sounding like Homer Simpson)
but the consensus was in on global warming..
The consensus.
Solving problems where none exists is the vestige of opportunists and charlatans. Making money at the same time using a global warming cap and trade scheme is all the better. It makes the pigeon feel they are contributing to the benefit of man kind. I will not sell Mc895 short and call him one or the other when he is probably both an opportunists and a charlatan.
Obviously they are all paid stooges and unwitting tools of the oil companies.
/sarc off
A consensus is what liberals call “packing the house” with their handpicked “yes men”. I ran into this idea once. The person in charge, an uneducated superintendent of a school system picked his friends for a meeting. He insured that they agree with him on a question, then announced a consensus!
There has been repeated attemps by REAL scientist to discuss this subject. They are rejected out right or ignored altogether. When I use the term Scientist I am not talking about these clowns with the social and political degrees. A Phd in “Well I Feel” or “the Politics of Meaning” does not particulary impress me. Dr. Gore’s carny baking routine is so phony I am embassed anyone falls for it. But I do credit Dr. Gore with being an expert on wind power.
But Global Warming, Climate Change and energy shortages are all part and parcel of the Left’s attempt to control the economy and all aspects of our lives. It is not so much a debate as a war of Individual Libery v Collective Control. At the moment the good guys are losing.
I can hear McCain, the left and the open border folks (from the department of redundancy department) exclaiming, “Petitions? Petitions?! We don’t need no stink’ petitions!!”
You know, we dont have time for rational discussions and solutions, because we’re all going to fry at this rate! We need to just do whatever Gore says, and stop the evil republicans from destroying the planet.
/sarc off
So, for all those trolls last week who said that global warming skeptics are all uninformed knuckledraggers can now go sit and rotate.
my 2 cents.
The Maverick has become a Gelding. He is too busy Posturing to the Left to take a Stand for what’s Right.
Be sure to let Tom Cole over at the NRCC hear about this petition project load and clear too!
geez, don’t have em do that they will end up blaming man for tornadoes from all the spinning.
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Gore and his Man-Bear-Pig. The politicians on board with this scam must be simply out of their minds.
For one thing, there’s plenty of oil and NG, we just need to drill for it and refine it. Also expand nuclear, wind, hydro, sun and hemp fuel.
Can’t anybody talk some sense into McCain, Bush and Obama about how temperatures rise first, and THEN carbon-dioxide levels rise.
Carbon-dioxide doesn’t cause warming, sun activity does, warming causes CO2 levels to rise.
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absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
humans’ breath is poison
just one child hurts the world
worse than a jet engine
.
absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
keep people all worked up
about global warming
despite inconvenient facts
.
The Great Global Warming Scam Movie
USpace
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I heard this morning that a scientist also proved that if the globe did warm, the number of huricanes would go down by 18%. I’ll drive arround the block again to prevent the next katrina.
To quote mr gore:
“THEY PLAYED ON OUR FEARS!!!!!!”
who is fearmongering again? Who profits from carbon credits again?
Here’s where lgm tell us we’re all nuts and we should invest in eco-friendly, hemp underwear.
Smokeable underwear? Oh HEMP!!!
We have had temps below normal since October here in Minnesota and no mention that it is getting cooler not warmer. Then today weather forecasters predict record highs for Arizona for ONE DAY and the local 7 AM morning newscast reports it everytime they run through the local weather. They treat one day in another region of the country like it’s more relevent than what’s happened locally for six months. It’s not even a subtle insuation that “it is really not as cool as you thought.” They spend 2 minutes talking about it!!! It’s amazing that even the local weather people can’t report events without a political agenda.
Considering the vitriol spewed at anyone who disagrees with the Gorean church, I respect the courage of the signers.
#5, Seriously, this guy wants to pump sulfur into the atomsphere? SULFUR? This stuff that can make acid rain?
WOW
Get ready for the fat police…. cause after all we’re fatties are destroying the planet… and Al Gore, doesn’t like competition.
thats sulphur btw.
The most compelling evidence that climate change is not anthropogenic is the fact that the surface temperature on Mars is rising at a similar rate as the Earth. That would tell a sixth grader that global warming is caused by the Sun, not that moron in the SUV chomping on a pastrami sandwich and wearing bermuda shorts.
There was an article - I think on msn (imagine that) which said that people who were overweight were contributing to global warming because they ate more, gave off more co2 and because they were heavier it cost more in fuel to get them places.
So yes, the fat police are probably coming next. We’ll all learn how we must starve ourselves for the good of the planet.
You know, when the rest of the world figures out that global warming is a hoax, they are going to be REALLY pissed off. especialy in places like New Zealand who have put ALOT of money into it.
I have decided that this carbon credit business is a lucrative idea, so in that light I am now selling carbon credits if you would like to purchase a tree in my yard it is $1200.00, a bush is $800.00, a perinial plant is $500.00, an annual plant is $250.00 and last but not least you can buy a blade of grass for $25.00. These carbon friendly product are affordable for everyone on the planet so don’t wait get yours now, their going fast.
What a bunch of Maroons, as Dandapani said it’s been changed from GW to CC to cover their moronic a$$es, I don’t know about you guys but my climate changes daily.
Oh no, these scientists will be regarded as “deniers”. You know, in the same league as the Holocaust deniers.
As a fellow Minnesotan put it earlier, it’s been very cold up here for the last half year. Obama can stuff it, because I never had my thermostat above 62, and it was the most expensive heating season for me by far. I’ve lived in the same house for 35 years.
Wouldn’t those be kinda scratchy?
I’m glad they’re doing this project, because I think the AGW scare is way overblown.
Anyone with a science degree can sign it, so I hope they’re not criticized for setting the bar too low for the signers. I have a B.S., so I could sign it. Of course, people who are employed in certain academic fields could lose funding for signing this, so those folks are courageous. I did a quick skim of the Texas list looking for people I know, and didn’t see any, but I’ll look more thoroughly later when I have more time.
Time to expose the scam. Politicians who buy into it should be removed from office. If they are willing to buy into the Gore hyperboles they can not be trusted to run a country.
A minor correction. The element is properly spelled both as sulfur and sulphur.
Show me 31,072 scientists QUALIFIED in the subject and I will be impressed. I mean, how amateur is this?
Many of the signers currently work in climatological, meteorological, atmospheric, environmental, geophysical, astronomical, and biological fields directly involved in the climate change controversy.
Talk about a broad brush stroke!
I have a biology degree and work in the shipping Business and my field of work is directly involved in the climate change controversy too - I must be qualified to sign this list too!
What a joke….
New Zealand is also having a cold year so far. Last year was average but the year before that was very cold for New Zealand. The goracle is sliping.
Well, i cant tell them to just go sit down somewhere and pout. The collective rear ends hitting the ground could cause an earthquake somewhere LOL.
I have an alternate theory. The hot air out of Washington is so bad, it is destroying Mars. Time to save THAT planet.
I don’t believe that McCain buys completely into global warming through greenhouse gases. I think he is mostly supporting this issue as a way to prop up other forms of energy. It is a way to slowing wean the US from oil, as a matter of national security. McCain wants more use of nuclear energy, solar, wind, etc. If he was investing in biofuels and such– as Al Gore is that would be an issue for me. Still, going nuclear, like France, scares the hell out of me–I can’t help but think another Three Mile Island would be just around the corner.
sausage,
So you will dispute the word of 31,000 scientists??? What makes you smarter than 31 THOUSAND scientists? Perhaps if we had a debate on the subject instead of a decree from the UN who did even bother to hear the other side of the argument? What were thier degrees in? Who were they?
sonofdy said:
Believe it or not almost 95% of New Zealand’s power generation is geothermal and hydroelectric, they have
one power plant that burns coal called Huntly
that the eco-morons want to shut down.
The problem is New Zealand has a gowing demand for power and shutting this plant down is suicide, but they’ll push for it anyway.
Sausage, in comment 51, objects to the qualification for signing the petition. The Left has been doing the same thing for decades. They pioneered the tactic of getting a few scientists to front for large numbers of completely unqualified members of groups that lobbied against nuclear power and other targets of the Left.
Man-caused Gullible Warming as a theory is non-falsifiable - that makes it not science, but a belief, a faith.
Most of us here know that the Earth has warmed and cooled in cycles on its own for many millions of years - it’s not Man-caused. Most of us know that CO2 is NOT a pollutant but is necessary for all life - without it, plants don’t grow, and withouts plants, animals die.
Liberal control of education has produced too many people (or sheeple) who can’t critically analze anything and who have little to no science knowledge.
Unfortunately that description also fits McCain. What a moron.
Then if he has any balls, he should say so.
Snausage would rather believe a fat guy who made a movie.
Congressman Rahm Emmanuel has some doom-and-gloom TV ad calling for strict legislation to stop global warming and the world from ending. He drops tons of quotes from junk scientists and liberal politicians trying to scare the bejesus out of us all.
Powerful stuff if you believe in liberal lies.
I’m an engineer. As best I can remember, here are some of my early progressions of ~logic~ that crossed my mind after becoming aware, (~1997?), that someone , (and I really didn’t care who back then because I thought it was sincere science), from was saying that humans were adding too much CO2 to the atmosphere. After initially thinking that it’s interesting theory and might have some basis:
1. (my first question) How much CO2 is in the air and how much do humans add to it? Ans - There is less than 400 parts per million in the air, (.000450) and human activity adds about 3% of that. Let’s see .. that’s .000013 or, under 14 parts per million. Conclusion - that’s a very small number! What’s this? Termites add MORE greenhouse gas than humans. (Simple! Put a bounty on termites like Mao did with sparrows!)
2. They say we’re putting the ‘balance’ over the edge with our small contribution of this gas of life. Ok, then what is this so called ‘balance’ based upon? What IS the best amount of CO2 in the air and what is the best climate? (Lunatic alert bell has begun to ring in my mind..) Ans: looked at history - learn about medieval warming period - warmer than now - life was easier in Europe - coast of Greenland was being farmed by Vikings. Then discovered http://www.geocraft.com and saw this chart. Conclusion: Lunatic alarm bell sounding to be correct as usual, these people are nut cases because there ain’t nothin in earth’s history to indicate our current temperature and CO2 concentration are high. All data I can find shows the OPPOSITE; CO2 and temperature are both LOW right now …
3. Hmmm, looking at that chart again, where is this so called correlation between CO2 and temperature they keep talking about - there’s none in that chart. Ok, look at historic ice core measurements - ooops! Yes there IS a correlation but, hold on, the lag goes … the opposite way! Global warming appears to cause more CO2 every ~800 years. (bell getting very loud now and then realize Al Gore behind it, then remember excellent analysis by Robert Cook of the 2000 election voting fraud in PBC, FL)
3. Carbon cap ‘n trade? Follow the money. What about China? ‘Green’? But plants love having more CO2.
4. Rockefeller’s telling Exxon, (=Esso = S.O.) to not make money in crude oil? (Do they also jump up and down on the grave of John D. cursing at him at 3 in the morning?) Who is Maurice Strong? OMG - George Soros too?!
5. Will we now go to war with Canada over their intentional hunting of polar bears to keep their numbers in check?
6. Is someone peeing on my backside? No no - “it’s raining”..
When I was going to Govenment school in the 60s, my Biology text book had pictures on how the human fetus goes through different stages. It went through an amphibian stage and reptilian stage etc. Of course all of this was pure fiction. But fiction many biologist actually believed because it supported their own belief in evolution. Even today I run into PHDs who still believe it, because the word did not go out that it was a hoax.
sausage,
You defeat your own argument. You want to know who is qualified. then use this:
Many of the signers currently work in climatological, meteorological, atmospheric, environmental, geophysical, astronomical, and biological fields directly involved in the climate change controversy.
Go figure. asking a Many of the signers currently work in climatological studies would be bad to ask about…CLIMATE CHANGE.
Meteorologist…well, apparently they aren’t qualified to talk…ABOUT THE WEATHER.
I’m not even going to bother with the rest. The fact you even try to make that point is a waste of your time, and frankly, mine. Trying to paint the signers of the list as people ignorant of the subject, when people who are *proven* to be intelligent (or even honest) on the subject *coughALGOREcough* abound, seems rather strange, no?
When you can show me Al Gore’s degree on the subject, your argument will have at least .00002 picoseconds worth of credibility.
But I do appreciate you contradicting yourself, it saved me alot of trouble!
McCain will talk to anybody EXCEPT the people he is supposed to be representing - conservatives.
He loses me more on a daily basis.
BTW at 31,000, this document has 3 times as many people on it than the total UN conference that decleared man made global warming a “fact”. That is 3 times the un conference INCLUDING the support staff at that confrence who probably hold the same number of qualifications as I do on the subject. Zero.
sorry, i felt i should correct my sarcasm
Guess I shouldn’t do that though, I don’t have a degree in English…so i wouldn’t know anything about correcting grammar, etc…
*ROFLMAO*
Not quite in the same league. Obama will talk to the Holocaust deniers.
There buddy fixed that for you …
abstractmind:
Is that a degree in american or english? Or do you speak both?? Just kidding.
Gore and moore, a zero population growth, eco-freindy, liberal, gay porn dream team. (wrong I know)
But..but.. Obama says change is good.
Here we go. There are NO scientists who come out against a hoax who are creditable.
Or, maybe I got it wrong:
Carbon does rise AFTER temps increase.
Want a laugh? Go watch Inconvenient Truth and where AlBore shows the graph id temp increase and carbon increase, stop it right at the beginning. Look at the time line - it goes backwards. All of their “scientists” couldn’t even figure out how time is linear and moves forward (on a graph).
It’s kind of both. If it makes it easier, i’ll throw some “bloody hell” comments around and some discussion about tea and crumpets.
Way things are going…i might want to invest in some spanish courses, but…thats for another thread!
Hey crumpets are good!!! I was born and rasied in New Zealand so I love to give americans a hard time about the “queens” english. (yes I am an american citizen now, did it legaly even) BTW on that other subject, my dad did it legaly (8 years of trying) and got here just before the last amensty. The illegals got citizenship before he did. He said that he should have painted himself brown and come across the border.
Global warming is a money making venture. See John McCain, myself being a liberal, know pandering doesn’t work on the conservative side. They will trash you, throw you on the ground and spit on you. They’re a rough breed and you just keep walking into landmines.
I so miss the days of smog and pollution.
That’s a tiny proportion of the millions and millions of scientists, and there is no indication of how many members of this group are actually involved in research in this area. If not, their opinions have no more value than any layman’s.
The opinions that matter are those of the people who actually collect and analyze data relating to atmospheric composition and climate, and who are objective and competent.
Let McCain have his Warming party during the election, perhaps saying that instead of talking to terrorists, he’ll talk to experts in Global Warming after elected. It’s not going to push folks to vote one way or another.
Then after the election and meet with these folks, or hold some sort of open forum on the issue with Gore on one side, and actual scientist on the other. Afterwards, come out of the meeting saying you’ve seen the light, and Gore has it wrong.
I’m a scientist (hey, I did study science in college, Chemistry) - I’ll sign too if they give me a chance.
…gives me an idea though. Maybe we need to put together an anti-Global Warming petition and sign it. Maybe if we get a couple million signatures shows just how incredulous it is and send it in someone will take notice….nahhhhhhh. It was a good idea though…
Don’t count on McCain doing that. Remember he is going to work with the Democrats.
Do you guys remember all the global warming jackasses not even a year ago screaming how their consensus could not be wrong? Oh the irony.
Additionally, even if McCain were to be the Conservative many of us want and need, he would not be able to do well in this election. There simply isn’t enough of the type of voter base required to place a truer Conservative into Office. Make no mistake, I’m not calling him a true Conservative.
That raises a good point. How many scientists were there in this “consensus”. I dont remember seeing a number
McCant will talk to anyone other than those he is supposed to represent.
Beside, talk is cheap. Action is what matters.
abstractmind, There were 10,000 at the confrence that “decided” the global warming issue. That number includes the support staff.
rommsey said:
Color me foolish if you want but I think you’re wrong because Reagan won.
I do put some credence into the global warming theory. some. It certainly may not be all man’s fault, but I believe we are a significant contributor to many of the planet’s problems, and if it helps clean up pollution and the environment, hey I’m all for that.
I like that people hold Aotearoa up as a model of eco-friendliness. Except for the cow flatulence of course. heh.
thanks sonofdy
nyc,
I can agree that humans are causing pollution. It’s foolishness to believe otherwise. but i believe Danceswithdachshunds in post #63 correctly paints a picture of our actual contribution on this point.
Do we need to try and be good stewards of the environment? Of course. You don’t leave trash all over your house do you? Well, the planet is just one big house. It does us well to keep it clean.
But this hyseria that is being sold to the public en masse is just off the mark. Humans cause pollution. But saying that our activity has doomed us all and that we’re all going to fry, is a bit over the top. And the legitimate sciences bear that out.
Besides…we’re one of the least polluting industrial nations on earth. in terms of Co2 output, Milan, Italy has us beat somewhere in the neighborhood of 3x the output. Who’s controlling them?
And here, Obama and Gore want US to cut back and pay for everything.
No sir.
I’ll be off, making a larger carbon footprint, thanks.
Just over 2 000 if you are curious.
This is not 1980, McCain isn’t vying for the Presidency against Carter and above all else, the Cold War is over.
ok, hearing 2 and 10
we’ll just pull it as a median and call it 6000 LOL
but its still not even close to 31,072.
abstractmind …
just for grins …
If it is 2000 that is 0.06% for and 99.94% against …
If it is 6000 that is 0.19% for and 99.81% against …
If it is 10,000 that is 0.32 $ for and 99.68% against …
Now … about that “consensus” …
oops … finger check … those should have been 0.6 and 99.4, 1.9 and 98.1, and 3.2 and 96.8 … sorry about that
hahaha, nice!
remember though…with democrats, often its the minority that makes the rules…so they win anway :/
LESSER OF TWO EVILS ……….
anyone;
ANYONE!!!!!!!
I originally heard it was “all of them”. Their consensus implied there was no evidence to refute MMGW. After that, anybody who came against MMGW was not a scientist so that makes the answer still “all of them”.
Question to all who believe GW is cause by man:
If they can’t get a model to predict rain for the next 3 weeks, how is it they came build a model that will predict thee outcome of carbon emissions over the next 20 years? HMMMMMMMM
lgm? LGM? You sure a quiet today. Answer my question if you can. I really am interested in knowing where they get the future data to support their model.
nice one soap
i could put some really dork-laden response here..but the answer to your question is:
They can’t.
Wa-Wa-WHAT?!?
Fat people cause more use of fuel under the Gore theory?
Well, there goes everybody’s silly idea that carpooling saves fuel.
I must go now and unplug all my lamps and appliances.