A child sex abuse scandal the MSM ignores
“Double standard? Absolutely.”
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July 22, 2008 10:26 AM by see-dubya
ABC, CBS, CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, NBC: Nothing to see here; Move along, move along….. What a F!@#$%g joke!
THESE THINGS HAPPEN!?!?!?
I’m sure glad my two children aren’t attending school in LA!
That must be part of the social experience that home schoolers are missing out on.
sigh…wtf, man. wtf.
Philosophical query: is there more evil in the world now than before, or is it the same, just that we hear about it more due to our increased ability to communicate?
I believe it’s the former.
Yes, these things do happen… that is why CA had a gas chamber.
How does this conversation help Mrs O’s kids in private school?
What kind of backward, third-world, hillbilly, inbred, ignoramus would make a statement like that? Oh, LA Unified School District, nevermind.
Now could you picture the reaction if a priest said “These things happen”?
Oh come on, children are very flexible, just ask your local Iman!
js, I think most “backward, third-world, hillbilly, inbred, ignorami” would be shocked too.
While I agree that this story has been shamefully under reported by the media but Newsbusters is nuts if they think the Catholic Church scandal was blown out of proportion or overreported.
“Pedophila happens”
Great, the left has a new bumper sticker.
Rape “happens” too. So, by this logic the school system is handing out free rape kits because, as you know, we have to teach every form of vile acts to our kids (or make excuses).
… and when it does happen, it’s called statutory rape
WTF!
Even Deborah LaFave thinks this guy’s a pervert.
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Its okay, they were just living a different “lifestyle”.
Or if a Cardinal wrote a letter to a parent, saying their kid is lying about the abuse.
Oh wait, that did happen.
Yet another reason to homeschool your kids.
Okay, now how about condemning this?
Condemning what?
Rule of Thumb…
Join a Powerful Union…get away with Murder… (Or child rape evidently in this case).
Well if its that small of a matter, then the person who said, “well these things happen” probably would mind the teacher “instructing” thier children.
mookie, are you trying to equate all preists with those ones? If that standard is acurate then all teachers are sleeping with thier students. The teachers union may be a tad upset.
md1964, Its no big deal, it happens all the time, whatever fits your “lifestyle”.
This is horrible, but saying there’s a double standard at work is lunacy.
The Catholic Church is responsible for the abuse of thousands upon thousands of children.
Los Angeles has one of the biggest school districts in the country. Well, yeah, they do. It’s unacceptable and anyone found to have put a child in danger should be fired and/or jailed.
But the Catholic Church had the biggest pedophilia scandal in the history of time on their hands. So, yeah, there’s going to be more coverage, don’t you think?
These things happen?
Is that so?
Saying something like that makes it seem accidental, like some small facet of life that can’t be avoided.
“John was in an accident on the highway today, completely blindsided.”
“Yeah, these things happen.”
There is nothing in the world that angers me or gets me as fired up as to hear of someone hurting a child. This whole thing is inexcuseable. Heads should roll for this.
Child abuse and sexual assault DONT JUST HAPPEN.
Stopping now before I post things that get me banned.
I would like to see him put into jail for aiding and abetting, and then while in jail have the inmates they happen that these things happen … when you are in jail.
Hardly. What I’m saying is that I think Newsbusters is trying to make the case that the Catholic Church scandal was overblown and I strongly disagree. I also think the fact that what’s going on in Los Angeles has received only local news coverage is appalling.
I see. So you do not read the thread just make jabs at those of us who do?
I get it: “These things happen”
Well it will take a few days to “manifest”, but the MSM will be forced to address this.
Thank you Madam Hostess.
Funny, but I have noticed a 72 hr. delay between the time a story hits the blogs, & the MSM picks up on it… maybe 48 hrs. in this case… sex sells.
If you are going to paint with such a broad brush, then why not say the Democratic Party is responsible for the decay and crime in the inner cities. These cities are managed by the Democrats right?
Apparently you missed my comment at #11.
I love how the author in that link uses a 1986 case to make his case that LA schools have a consistent problem with this.
Meanwhile, the Catholic Church had this problem in 1986. And 1985. And 1997. And 1964. Pretty much throughout the last 50 years.
It’s not the same, and shame on NewsBusters for trying to equate the two situations.
Mookie:
Once again justifying bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior.
How does this help Michelle Obama’s children…Oh right, they don’t attend public schools in LA.
Wrong Rusty. You think this is the only school district that is having this
problemhappening? Where I live, they have just arrested a guy for multiple counts as well. If the press gave as much attention to schools/districts as they did to the Catholic Church, we would all be shocked.Mookie, The difference is the conservative church was roasted for compariatively few cases over an extended period, whereas the liberal teachers were almost ignored by comparison for more cases per time period that the church had. My opinion is that they all should be given girls names and released into general population. There should be no difference in the coverage and there seems to be a difference. But opinions are like as… errrr noses, everyone has one.
I apologize Mookie I did. I am good about reading all comments. I just missed it. Sorry.
#34 and now we know why.
If only women could be public school teachers! If only public school teachers could marry!
Oh, wait…
The ephebophilia carried out in the Catholic Church was done by a minority of people who - surprise, surprise - displayed a strong disdain and outright disobedience for Church teaching on things like sexuality, the all-male celibate priesthood, and 99% of the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
I find the scandal appalling and hold accountable those who perpetuated and covered up the abuse. But it’s disingenuous (at best) - and a downright ignorant lie at the worst - to claim it’s a problem with the Church as a whole when the evidence points to a subset of liberal priets, bishops, and theological laity who ignored, denied, and disobey Church teaching.
As I’ve said in other threads, read Goodbye, Good Men by Michael S. Rose. Very eye-opening. And anyone who wants to debate this issue has an obligation to get their facts straight before tossing out accusations.
Am I missing something here? The article from Newsbusters talks about a double standard. My posts have been in response to that article and so far, I’ve been accused of justifying and condoning what’s happening in Los Angeles. That’s a mindblowing leap in logic.
What’s happening in Los Angeles is disgusting and deserves much more media coverage than is being given. But I disagree when Newsbusters says things like, “Where’s the national media on this current scandal? By comparison, look at how the media has covered decades-old allegations of sexual abuse by clergy of the Catholic Church. Since 2002, the coverage has been voluminous and incessant.”
Fine. But I tend to agree with it.
Oh, and to emphasize it:
A Google search of “Catholic Church” “sex abuse” yields 989,000 results.
A Google search of “public schools” “sex abuse” yields 80,000 results.
I still can’t believe I read this irresponsible comment by this arrogant employee of this negligent and criminal school system. Here is hoping the MSM starts to pick this up (or at least Fox News) over the next 48 – 72 hour lag that brooklyn red pointed out in post #30.
“If the
glove don’t fitrobe don’t reach the floor,you mustacquitignore!”It is not just happening in LA. That is the point. If the MSM gave as much attention to the abuses in schools as they did to a religious organization, the scandal would be as far reaching.
Schools = local coverage
Church = national coverage
I am with that.
No worries.
The last thing I would want anyone to think is that I somehow condoned what’s happening in Los Angeles. I think Louisiana has the right idea: the death penalty for child rapists.
Or did some of this come about because the kids figured out that when they said they were sexually abused their teacher got yanked from the classroom?
I guess you’re ok with just making stuff up then. Either you are being willfully ignorant or you’re lying.
The Catholic Church was rightfully hung under the coals. It went all the way to Pope John Paul II when he promoted someone who actively hid pedophiles in various parishes.
When 4% of all LA teachers are accused of pedophilia, then we can talk.
Well, schools are local and the Church is global.
Still, 4% of American teachers are not accused of pedophilia.
If there was a large organization where 4% of the employees were accused of child abuse, trust me, you’d be hearing about it.
On May 19th, 2008 at 4:55 pm, Azygos said:
Or did some of this come about because the kids figured out that when they said they were sexually abused by a priest
their teacher got yanked from the classroomthey were awarded huge court settlements and would never have to worry about working a day in their lives??Thanks. Agreed only after castration and a very short trial (in case - like in S.C. where they let the guy off). At least he would not be a repeat offender.
Of course this type of abuse is appalling and disgusting.
Of course Mr. “These things happen”, needs a good beatdown, or at the very least a strong shaking.
Of course it’s also very cheap and tacky to make a cheap political point with child abuse as a basis.
Of course comparing the abuse in this school district to the abuse perpetrated and condoned by the highest levels of of the Catholic church is misguided and like comparing an apple to an appletree. Shame on Newsbusters.
If they really wanted to make their cheap political point, they should base it on the lack of coverage for situations like in L.A., versus the media salivating over news of female teachers doing teenage boys. This especially holds true if the teacher is allegedly “hawt”.
Quit spinning it, and own it, fix it, and don’t let it happen at that type of scale ever again.!!!!! Comparing it to some pervs in L.A., just looks pathetic.
Well, schools are local and the Church is global.
Exactly.
Rusty, reports indicate the abuse experienced by school children throughout the nation is worse than the Catholic Church:
From Newsmax:
Not that this in any way justifies any abuse, but don’t pretend this isn’t a severe problem in public schools.
Abusers find ways to target the objects of their perverted desires - be it in schools or church.
Not to mention that these guys were homosexuals.
Rusty, we all know you are for sex in every case and sex is your favorite subject. This is just sick. So, since schools are local and only local coverage is deemed necessary, how would we get national/global figures to help you understand how reaching this problem is - or is it not a problem?
Rusty obviously thinks that since Catholic priest committed homosexual acts with minors, that all people should not be allowed to do the same.
And I couldn’t disagree more strongly. I went to Catholic school my entire life. Seven priests that I had either as teachers or advisers were charged with molesting children. A priest who had dinner at my home numerous times and who we considered to be part of our family was charged with abusing over a dozen children. He had been moved from parish to parish for decades. That’s just one priest. The amount of victims at the hands of Catholic priests, and those involved in the coverup, is epic.
YES! Could not agree more. There’s the real problem with the media and sex scandals.
I can agree with that.
EQ #54
Nailed it - thanks.
What about the story I linked to, Mookie?
And who knows how many kids go through the public schools, are abused, and never talk about it.
But, as usual, public schools are always the paragon of morality and the minority of priests (and, in my math, 4% is still a minority) who committed terrible acts (or covered them up) in violation of every Church teaching PROVE the Catholic Church is corrupt.
Reason will never have out here, given the inherent bias of many individuals who conveniently ignore the points I’ve made.
for rusty. Do a little research. 1-5% of teachers molest. They quit and get other jobs. The estimate is that 91% of teachers are NOT reported. Yes it is a big deal.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=39783
This is only female teachers. Certainly not a huge sample of the teacher population, but interesting nonetheless.
Dusty, your white sheet is showing again.
Mookie is a dimwit and a liberal. Never expect a liberal to condemn the filth among his own. They don’t have the balls or honesty. Mookie is just a lib troll.
Any time a child is abused it is a big deal. However, systematic organized abuse is a bigger deal. The LA schools qualify. And, to an exponentially larger extent, the Catholic Church qualifies too.
You know what they said about Presidents Nixon and Clinton. It isn’t the crime that was the problem, it’s the cover-up.
With these scandals, it’s both. Abusive teachers are rarely protected by other organizations or by their superiors. If they’re found out, they’re gone.
With LA and, again, more obviously, the Catholic Church, you had horrible abuse and then you had a horrible cover-up. The LA cover-up has been going on since January. The Church had it going for over 50 years. Equating the two is ridiculous.
When this story broke out last month John and Ken were on like white on rice. Here in LA. Too bad the rest of the media ignored it.
Should I tell the troll that Clinton got away with the cover-up?
The Cathlic church abuses were reported appropriately. The public school abuses… very little, even though they are legion as well. Why? I believe there is a vested political interest in protecting the government school system.
DOJ statistics
http://www.cpiu.us/statistics.php
The Statistics of Teacher sexual abuse to Students
• The best estimate is that 15% of students will be sexually abused by a member of the school staff during their school career.
• Though, when the American Association of University Women Foundation surveyed more than 1,600 students in eighth through 11th grade, 25 percent of the girls and 10 percent of the boys who said they had been harassed or abused said the harasser was a school employee.
• The number of K-12 public and private school students in 1996 who have been or will be sexually abused by a member of the school staff is nearly 7 million of 51,331,000.
• Between 1% and 5% of teachers sexually abuse or harass students.
• At least a quarter of all school districts in the United States have dealt with a case of staff sexual abuse in the past ten years.
• Most cases of sexual abuse of students by teachers are never reported.
• In nearly half of the cases, suspects were accused of abusing more than one student.
• Only two cases were cases of false accusations; less than 1 percent of the cases studied.
• No type of school was immune to abuse: public or private, religious or secular, rich or poor, urban or rural.
Responses to Allegations of Sexual Abuse of Students by Staff
• 38.7% of the teachers resigned, left the district, or retired
• 17.5% were spoken to informally
• 15% were terminated or not re-hired
• 11.3% received a formal verbal or written reprimand
• 8.1% were suspended and then resumed teaching
• 7.5% were cases where the superintendent determined that the teacher hadn’t meant to sexually abuse
• Of the nearly 54% of abusers who resigned, weren’t rehired, retired, or were terminated, superintendents reported that 16% were teaching in other schools and that they didn’t know what had happened to the other 84%. All but 1% of these teachers retained their teaching license.
Teacher Student Sex Legalities
• In 20 states, it is not a crime for school employees—including teachers, administrators, and coaches—to have sex with students aged 16 and over.
• In 23 states, it is not a crime for school employees to have sex with students aged 17 and over.
• In 45 states, it is not a crime for school employees to have sex with students aged 18 and over.
• In 16 states, it is a crime for adults in a position of trust and authority—teachers, administrators, and coaches among them—to have sex with students under the age of 18.
Some big deals are more equal than others, apparently.
In case you missed it rusty
Of the nearly 54% of abusers who resigned, weren’t rehired, retired, or were terminated, superintendents reported that 16% were teaching in other schools and that they didn’t know what had happened to the other 84%. All but 1% of these teachers retained their teaching license.
:claps: for sonofdy
Facts are getting in the way of your argument though.
Church - evil
School - these things happen
Blasted gub’mint schools.
Your tax dollars at work, citizens!
The pervert teachers often retain their jobs, too. They simply get shuffled to other districts. The NEA jargon is ‘pass the trash’.
Looks like it’s time for another one of my famous gub’mint school outrage posts.
Want change?? VOTE SCHOOL VOUCHERS! - VOTE SCHOOL CHOICE!!
After all, who could be opposed to choice?
GO sonofdy, GO sonofdy, GO sonofdy, GO sonofdy, GO sonofdy, GO sonofdy
I think I am going to have a new favorite if this keeps up!
You are making me blush….
UH-OH
LB is exposing the “pass the trash” deal making. This is going to get ugly.
Thanks, sonofdy.
I appreciate your fact-finding.
If you live in Milwaukee, pretty much every liberal and Democrat throughout the state…guess it only applies to certain things, and not education.
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I’m gonna just try to assume that you meant liberal in the sense of liberal adherence to faith, or something like that.
I just KNOW you aren’t trying to make this issue righty lefty politics with the implication being that the offending priests and bishops were political liberals. Eleventy gazillion sorrys if I’m misjudging you of making a tacky, tacky political snipe.
#48 rusty:
This is certainly an interesting subject. As long as we’re engaging in a “yeah, but…” style of discourse, I often wonder if the 4% figure would be met if other institutions (public schools, temples, other denominations besides Catholic, etc.)came under the same, deserved, 52 year scrutiny that the American Catholic Church recently underwent.
In other words, what numbers would the “John Jay Report” of other institutions disclose behind the legal, political, public + media relations and other protectionist barriers that all organizations build up?
Or is my curiosity misplaced, and has the Catholic Church been a magnet of pure anomaly amongst all social organizations over the past 52 years?
You’re accusing me of saying things that I haven’t said. I did not say the Catholic Church as a whole was corrupt. I didn’t say that and I don’t believe it. What I’ve said is that I think the amount of coverage given to the Church scandal was appropriate. I think the coverage given to sexual abuse in public schools is woefully inadequate. And when they do give it any attention, it tends to be on the salacious side. How many times have we heard about teachers having “affairs” with students? Those relationships are not affairs. It’s abuse, plain and simple.
“thousands upon thousands”
Proof please? Factual citation, not hyperbole.
And FYI, sexual abuse by teachers and family is far more common than by priests.
Its just as hideous evil and wrong. But teachers and liberals are sacrosanct in today’s media.
Yes, in this context, I am referring to LIBERAL in regards to theology and not politics.
As I said, those who perpetuated the abuse and covered it up were extremely opposed to many of the doctrines of the faith - especially celebacy and the all-male priesthood. They actively sought to undermine the Church by punishing orthodox seminarians, expelling them, blacklisting them, or forcing them to undergo psychiatric evaluations while allowing dissenters to go through and turning a blind eye to bad behavior (i.e., orgies).
Gotcha.
Thanks Englishqueen.
Hollywood Babylon has spread it’s tentacles. The is the left coast, liberal haven, anything goes, and sex is good and “normal” (even with children or farm animals.)
This is LA (welcome to the jungle), where the general population cares more about the plight of illegal immigrants and minimizing greenhouse gases, than they do about their own children. Why is anyone surprised by the lack of action by a public school district?
Suffice it to say you will not hear, or see any outrage from the notoriously loud-mouthed liberal groups on this…it’s not about Bush or the military, so it doesn’t matter!
Does anyone need further proof showing how destructive is liberalism?
Ahh rusty, did you get the info?? Rusty???
I disagree. Media coverage dictates what is heard, not statistics. People think more children die each year by gun accidents then by swimming pool accidents, more people are familiar with Matthew Sheppard than with Jesse Dirkhising, etc.
I contend that more institutions are capable of cover up than just the Catholic Church and the US Military.
Hmmmmm….wonder what the teacher’s union had to say.
These two issues aren’t comparable. The Catholic Church is a worldwide, global entity. The media is all over public school abuse at the local level in every single market.
It’s strangly abstract to expect outrage over the horrific child abuse taking place in public schools, generally, nationally. That’s like expecting outrage over abuse taking place in Little League or Pop Warner, nationally. It’s a local issue when it comes to public school.
The Catholic Church has obviously been a political, financial, and duh religious power for centuries. It’s simply a whole different animal. Higher ups in the church have aided in the relocation and coverup up of abuse in the Church on at the very least a national scale. The Catholic Church has had to pay 10s of millions in settlements because of these abuses. When a priest has a few dozen horror shows under his belt, and he’s bounced all around the country from city to city, and their is a papertrail of coverup, that is a condemnation on the Church as a whole. When a school teacher leaves one state to be a pedophile in another, it’s a condemnation on the one single jurisdiction he/she left and the one they wind up in. There is no coordination of coverup going on, just neglect, and it’s locale to locale.
I could expound on how the Catholic church is organized in a way, where the manipulator, abuser can claim to have “God on his side”, and the victim needs to trust so that he/she can enter heavan and avoid hell, making it a greater evil in the minds of most.
Child abuse is disgustingly, horrible, plain and simple, but the equating here is unnecessary, and in the end, not very equal at all.
that’s just my take, sorry about any typos…it’s dinner time.
Mookie,
The only fear I have of executing child molestors is that it makes an incentive to kill the victim. “Well if they’re going to kill me for molesting, or kill me for murder, why shouldn’t I remove the witness.”
englishqueen101,
I too have read Michael Rose’s book and it is one eye opener!
I do believe there were legitimate cases regarding the sexual abuse by priests. However with groups like SNAP out there, it has become a total witchhunt. I have witnessed two priests falsely accused by so called victims whose lives were totally destroyed. They were both investigated by independent tribunals (consisted of lay people– psychologists, police officers, social workers) and found NO evidence of abuse. The media failed to report this! One of them actually died from the stress of the situation.
Yes I do believe there is a double standard regarding reporting of Catholic priests versus public school teachers involved in bad behavior.
Good Point LiveWire.
This is the kinda carp that sends me into a blind fury, and damn fast.
These administrators betrayed those kids.
hanged, drawn and quartered.
It remains a mystery to me, why would any responsible parent, especially in liberal states/counties/cities, trust their precious children to public schools? In Texas, home schooling & private schools are the choice for more and more parents.
Nothing new here. In time the school, msm and hell the entire left must be held responsible for their actions.
The msm must have freedom of speech, I do not know how to handle them, but there is a way to hold them accountable to honesty, truth, and justice. Hey, it used to be the American way.
I’d go with both “A” & “B”, Matty; they’re not mutually exclusive.
I’m sorry, but I’m calling BS on this.
Not every Catholic, diocese, or Church was involved in the abuse. To say it’s reflective on the Church as a whole is inaccurate and sorely misguided.
#98
I don’t think anyone is suggesting that every Catholic, diocese, or church is involved in the abuse and coverup. But there was a coordinated system of coverup and relocation so as to ‘protect” the priests and “protect” the Church.
The public school system simply doesn’t work this way, and doesn’t go by the same “code” on a massive level.
The lawsuit settlements and apologies from THE ACTUAL POPE happen for a reason. Comparing the public school system and the Catholic Church is nonsensical for the reasons I stated in the prior post. It’s also unnecessary, and the only reason this thread exists is because some group wanted to take a shot at the media. This foolish debate is meaningless in every reasonable person’s concern for the abuse of children in every institution at every level
I disagree - both are situations where adults violate the codes of their respective organizations and their positions of power to satisfy their perverse desires.
It’s wrong - on that we can all agree.
But the drum beat here has been consistent, and yeah, I’m going to take a shot at the media that has the IQ of an earthworm when it comes to matters of faith and practically wets its collective pants to portray a female teacher/student relationship as an “affair”.
Exactly how much positive coverage did the Mary Kay Latourneau marriage to her former student receive? Tons. Every time a relatively attractive teacher is busted, she’s all over the news.
It’s ridiculous. And - mark my words - the abuse in public schools will continue, whereas the Church has worked to rectify the problem and remove from its elements the liberal dissenters who caused the problems in the first place.
So if the two are unequal, it is only in the respect that public schools will get away with far more and most will turn a blind eye and say, “Hey, these things happen.”
Give me a break…
We certainly agree on the coverage concerning female teachers and male students. I mentioned that in post 52. I live in Tampa, Florida and it’s practically an epidemic down here.
Goodnight.
When my wife caught me at the local bikini bar I told her ‘these things happen’. For some reason she was not mad at me….not even a tiny bit.
/sarc off….
Child abuse is NOT a catholic thing! that is just how the msm reports it!
What it the first thing a incoming socialist party must do??? (think god)
That sounds a bit exaggerated. THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS???
Uh, just how many, Rusty? And give us reliable sources, not just your dreams.
No one is saying that abuse is a Catholic thing. It’s a position of authority thing. That includes teachers, family, and, yes, priests.
If a national organization like, say, the Boy Scouts took Scoutmasters accused of pedophilia and moved them from troop to troop after every accusation, it would be a front page story. The Catholic Church dwarfs the Boy Scouts in scope. Especially when considering Pope John Paul II, the freaking Pope!, helped excuse the cover-up by promoting Cardinal Law (who should be in jail, forever).
(Also, props to Pope Benedict XVII for talking with abused Catholics in NY and DC. If only his predecessor had shown the same compassion.)
The “these things happen” quote is about right. Murders happen. Rapes happen. Abuse happens. It doesn’t mean that there should be any less outrage. But when a large organization is assiting in a cover-up, that makes the story.
Every bad thing can’t make the front page of the New York Times or open the national news broadcast. It’s not bias. And the two situations certainly aren’t equatable.
Hey Rusty,
Still waiting for the number of children abused by the Catholic Church, you know, “thousands upon thousands”???
So how about it?
I hate it when people accuse me of making things up when they don’t check the sources I’ve already provided.
Is the Catholic Church a good enough source for you, Atheling and Ordinary Coloradan?
Atheling, my goodness you’re being moronic. Before accusing me of hyperbole (read: lying), double check to make sure you aren’t being a nuisance.
#90 Mistress said:
The US Department of Education
2005 Discretionary Budget Authority:
$57.3 billion
Number of Employees: 4,487
If a nationalized bureaucracy like the US Department of Education doesn’t have the annual funding ($57 billion) and resources (4,500 employees) to keep track of pedophile, public school teachers who bounce from one state to another…who does?
Do you think that both state and federal teachers unions might have a say about word on pedophilia in their jurisdictions getting out into the public? I mean, they’re the same groups who are currently lobbying for teacher accountability standards to be removed from federal educational funding, aren’t they?
I guess if you completely ignor the despicable and enormous influence of the NEA in this mess, you might assume that it is only a “local” matter. The National Education Association makes it so difficult to discipline misbehaving teachers that local officials often make quiet deals to pass the problem on to another school rather than deal with it properly.
The local school administration is completely outgunned by the nationwide union. The NEA and its state affiliates are more than happy to encourage school officials to “pass the trash” to protect teachers at the expense of students. So to say it is only a local matter and deserves no national attention merely allows the coverup of sexual abuse to continue on almost unnoticed.
Musty still hasn’t provided documentation of the punishment that Bill Clinton received for covering up his crimes.
Put up or shut up.
An old quote, and forgive me for not remembering who was the source. “ALL YOU NEED FOR EVIL TO SUCCEED IS FOR GOOD MEN TO DO NOTHING”. Seems to fit right in here…
Rusty said:
Is that all you can do, Rusty? You stated that “thousands upon thousands of children” have been abused by the Catholic Church. I asked you to give me a number with substantiation, which you ignore, and I requested it again, and you resort to calling me a “moron”.
So, who is being the lying a**hole here?
I’m not going to let this go, Rusty. I’m going to continue asking you because a**holes who lie shouldn’t get away with it. YOU HAVE NO CREDIBILITY, YOU LYING POS!
corona @ #112:
Amen to that:
SHUT UP, RUSTY!
Re: Papa Louie and Brian NY
Good rebuttal. “Mistress Justice” (what kind of name is that? Lawyer? Judge? Or just another Lefty with delusions of grandeur?) seems to conveniently forget that the pedophilia (or ephebophilia) issue in public schools is NATIONAL, not local!
As a backward, third-world, hillbilly, inbred, ignoramus I resent being compared to a member of the LA School Board.
What the Hell are you talking about? President Clinton was impeached. And that’s neither here nor there. Just saying that a cover-up is usually more newsworthy than crimes that happen, unfortunately every day.
Since you’re calling me a “lying piece of shit,” I guess you didn’t take the time to read the report I hyperlinked to. You know, the report that the US Conference of Catholic Bishops commissioned. The John Jay Report. Where the USCCB admits that over 4,000 thousand priests have been accused of molestation and sexual abuse since 1950. Considering the compulsive nature of pedophilia and the reluctance of victims to come forward, the number of victims is probably in the tens of thousands. But 4,200 is the extreme, no way in Hell, lowball number. And it still qualifies for “thousands upon thousands of victims.”
This is the third time I’ve sent you this link. Since you are obviously unable to handle something as difficult as a hyperlink, here’s some help: click on the dark text.
That is why I am calling you a moron. If you’re not a moron, what are you? Obviously you have some anger issues since you are attacking me for lying when in actuality you refuse to check the sources I provided.
No, anger is no excuse. Atheling, you’re an idiot. Plain and simple. An idiot.
You’re certainly not worth the respect that I try to give everyone on this board.
That sounds good hypothetically, but I’d like to hear some documented evidence of the NEA taking an active role in the relocation of pedophiles, and coverup of child abuse cases, similar to, or on the scale of how the rogue Church leaders operated. I share your outrage,but I think you’re talking in generalities, whereas the Church has produced documented conspiracies. Moreover, I’m sure we aren’t trying to compare the NEA to the Catholic Church in regards to size, scope, influence, responsibility….
Sure. I haven’t looked up any Hillsborough County quotes, but sure a word or two should be said. But where is the coordinated system of coverup on a national, and occasional multi-continental levels. It’s not there.
And again:
I could expound on how the Catholic church is organized in a way, where the manipulator, abuser can claim to have “God on his side”, and the victim needs to trust so that he/she can enter heavan and avoid hell, making it a greater evil in the minds of most.
Child abuse is disgustingly, horrible, plain and simple, but the equating here is unnecessary, and in the end, not very equal at all.
Why don’t you? Please enlighten us.
#118 mistress said:
Agreed.
I think it’s important to point out that observing an imbalance in media resorces and coverage of a particular subject (pedophilia) is not the same as “equating” separate perpetrating institutions (here, the US Public School System and the Catholic Church.)
I think a larger question is, as highlighted by this thread, where is the scrutiny? Cover up and potential discovery, as evidenced by the Catholic Church’s example, are normally preceded by scrutiny.
1997 figures show that there are roughly 50,000 Catholic priests and 12,000 permanent Catholic deacons in the US. By comparison, there are roughly 3 million public school teachers (48x more than Catholic priests and deacons.)
As a potential pool of victims, there are 2,548,710 Catholic school students in the US. By comparison, there are 47,917,774 public school students (19x more than Catholic schools.)
If a similar level of media scrutiny, legal and victim advocacy and public attention was given to a 50 year history of public schooling in the US, (48x larger in potential perpetrators and 19x larger in potential victims than the US Catholic Church on average) do you think it possible to find close to the 4% level of accusation that the John Jay Report identified in the Catholic Church example? Or is there a societal/genetic difference between Catholic priests who interact with children and public school teachers who do the same?
I contend that, without an equal amount of scrutiny which you might consider “unnecessary,” we and potential victims of past, present and future US Public School System pedophilia may never find out.
I totally agree with you on prosecution of the church (Bernard “Bunny” Law was never prosecuted, only promoted) but your first sentence was more correct: Any time a child is abused it is a big deal.
Thus, there is no greater or lesser degree of abuse when a single case is sufficient for prosecution. The LA system and teachers should be prosecuted exactly as the Church was, no ifs, ands or buts. Who is to say that thousands of victims won’t come out of the woodwork like they did in the Church prosecutions?
The flaw in your example is that the Boy Scouts specifically took steps to prevent homosexual pedophilia, by banning gay scoutmasters, and they were excoriated in the press and elsewhere, particularly by liberals.
They did what the church should have done, but since it was promoted as “anti-gay,” then the abuse from the media etc. started and hasn’t let up. The Church example precisely proves that the Boy Scouts were correct in their actions.
How can anyone reconcile these two examples without being a complete hypocrite? (this is not an accusation, by the way)
Re: Rusty
YOu claim that over 4,000 priests have been ACCUSED of the crime. That does not mean that over 4,000 priests ACTUALLY COMMITTED the crime, does it?
In the USA, one is innocent until proven guilty. I guess you on the Left forgot that minutia.
So, who’s the idiot?
Oh, and Rusty my boy, that is no “proof” of “thousands upon thousands”. Sorry, but you are still full of you know what.
Homosexuality and pedophilia are two different things (just look at R. Kelly).
My Mom was an assistant scoutmaster in our troop. She loved it so much that she actually stayed at Boy Scout camp in New Hampshire for two summers. She was very active within out Troop.
A couple towns over, there was a scandal involving a woman involved in Scouts having a sexual relationship with a 12-yr-old boy.
Should the BSA have banned adult heterosexual women (Hi Mom!) from going on camping trips and things like that? Of course not. Heterosexual women and homosexual men aren’t the problem. Pedophiles are the problem.
Also of note, the BSA didn’t take the statutory rapist and move her to a different Troop. Nor did they publicly tell her victim that they didn’t believe him.
Atheling, if you don’t think that Catholic priests were responsible for the molestation of at least ten thousand minors, then you’re free to do so. The Church itself would disagree with you, but, whatever.
Little man Rusty:
You have yet to prove your assertion. I’ve asked you several times, and all you’ve done is call me names.
You were called on for your lies and hyperbole. So are you going to show proof or are you going to just stand there and bleed to death?
More of Rusty’s moronic assertions:
“Homosexuality and pedophilia are two different things”
What if it’s an older man molesting boys?
Did your momma drop you on your head or what?
What if it’s an older woman molesting boys? Or an older man molesting girls?
Homosexuality and heterosexuality are totally different from pedophilia.
Proving how many people were molested within the Church is as impossible to prove as gravity or evolution. I’m using the number that the Catholic Church has provided.
You are an idiot.
That’s right, sink into more idiocy, Rusty.
Over 90% of the priests who were found guilty of molestation were men who molested TEEN AGE BOYS.
Now what does “homosexual” mean? IT MEANS OF THE SAME SEX, you moron!
Now I’m taking off the gloves, you pondscum. You are one of the most stupid, obtuse, and idiotic commenters on this site.
From what I’ve read by other commenters, they share that observation. Your comments are devoid of fact; they are mainly false statements based on the moronic belief system you have the misfortune of harboring.
Indeed, Rusty, you spew s*** because your head is so firmly implanted up your anus that you inhale feces.
That’s why you have s*** for brains, you lousy leftard.