A child sex abuse scandal the MSM ignores
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#98
I don’t think anyone is suggesting that every Catholic, diocese, or church is involved in the abuse and coverup. But there was a coordinated system of coverup and relocation so as to ‘protect” the priests and “protect” the Church.
The public school system simply doesn’t work this way, and doesn’t go by the same “code” on a massive level.
The lawsuit settlements and apologies from THE ACTUAL POPE happen for a reason. Comparing the public school system and the Catholic Church is nonsensical for the reasons I stated in the prior post. It’s also unnecessary, and the only reason this thread exists is because some group wanted to take a shot at the media. This foolish debate is meaningless in every reasonable person’s concern for the abuse of children in every institution at every level
I disagree – both are situations where adults violate the codes of their respective organizations and their positions of power to satisfy their perverse desires.
It’s wrong – on that we can all agree.
But the drum beat here has been consistent, and yeah, I’m going to take a shot at the media that has the IQ of an earthworm when it comes to matters of faith and practically wets its collective pants to portray a female teacher/student relationship as an “affair”.
Exactly how much positive coverage did the Mary Kay Latourneau marriage to her former student receive? Tons. Every time a relatively attractive teacher is busted, she’s all over the news.
It’s ridiculous. And – mark my words – the abuse in public schools will continue, whereas the Church has worked to rectify the problem and remove from its elements the liberal dissenters who caused the problems in the first place.
So if the two are unequal, it is only in the respect that public schools will get away with far more and most will turn a blind eye and say, “Hey, these things happen.”
Give me a break…
We certainly agree on the coverage concerning female teachers and male students. I mentioned that in post 52. I live in Tampa, Florida and it’s practically an epidemic down here.
Goodnight.
When my wife caught me at the local bikini bar I told her ‘these things happen’. For some reason she was not mad at me….not even a tiny bit.
/sarc off….
Child abuse is NOT a catholic thing! that is just how the msm reports it!
What it the first thing a incoming socialist party must do??? (think god)
That sounds a bit exaggerated. THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS???
Uh, just how many, Rusty? And give us reliable sources, not just your dreams.
No one is saying that abuse is a Catholic thing. It’s a position of authority thing. That includes teachers, family, and, yes, priests.
If a national organization like, say, the Boy Scouts took Scoutmasters accused of pedophilia and moved them from troop to troop after every accusation, it would be a front page story. The Catholic Church dwarfs the Boy Scouts in scope. Especially when considering Pope John Paul II, the freaking Pope!, helped excuse the cover-up by promoting Cardinal Law (who should be in jail, forever).
(Also, props to Pope Benedict XVII for talking with abused Catholics in NY and DC. If only his predecessor had shown the same compassion.)
The “these things happen” quote is about right. Murders happen. Rapes happen. Abuse happens. It doesn’t mean that there should be any less outrage. But when a large organization is assiting in a cover-up, that makes the story.
Every bad thing can’t make the front page of the New York Times or open the national news broadcast. It’s not bias. And the two situations certainly aren’t equatable.
Hey Rusty,
Still waiting for the number of children abused by the Catholic Church, you know, “thousands upon thousands”???
So how about it?
I hate it when people accuse me of making things up when they don’t check the sources I’ve already provided.
Is the Catholic Church a good enough source for you, Atheling and Ordinary Coloradan?
Atheling, my goodness you’re being moronic. Before accusing me of hyperbole (read: lying), double check to make sure you aren’t being a nuisance.
#90 Mistress said:
The US Department of Education
2005 Discretionary Budget Authority:
$57.3 billion
Number of Employees: 4,487
If a nationalized bureaucracy like the US Department of Education doesn’t have the annual funding ($57 billion) and resources (4,500 employees) to keep track of pedophile, public school teachers who bounce from one state to another…who does?
Do you think that both state and federal teachers unions might have a say about word on pedophilia in their jurisdictions getting out into the public? I mean, they’re the same groups who are currently lobbying for teacher accountability standards to be removed from federal educational funding, aren’t they?
I guess if you completely ignor the despicable and enormous influence of the NEA in this mess, you might assume that it is only a “local” matter. The National Education Association makes it so difficult to discipline misbehaving teachers that local officials often make quiet deals to pass the problem on to another school rather than deal with it properly.
The local school administration is completely outgunned by the nationwide union. The NEA and its state affiliates are more than happy to encourage school officials to “pass the trash” to protect teachers at the expense of students. So to say it is only a local matter and deserves no national attention merely allows the coverup of sexual abuse to continue on almost unnoticed.
Musty still hasn’t provided documentation of the punishment that Bill Clinton received for covering up his crimes.
Put up or shut up.
An old quote, and forgive me for not remembering who was the source. “ALL YOU NEED FOR EVIL TO SUCCEED IS FOR GOOD MEN TO DO NOTHING”. Seems to fit right in here…
Rusty said:
Is that all you can do, Rusty? You stated that “thousands upon thousands of children” have been abused by the Catholic Church. I asked you to give me a number with substantiation, which you ignore, and I requested it again, and you resort to calling me a “moron”.
So, who is being the lying a**hole here?
I’m not going to let this go, Rusty. I’m going to continue asking you because a**holes who lie shouldn’t get away with it. YOU HAVE NO CREDIBILITY, YOU LYING POS!
corona @ #112:
Amen to that:
SHUT UP, RUSTY!
Re: Papa Louie and Brian NY
Good rebuttal. “Mistress Justice” (what kind of name is that? Lawyer? Judge? Or just another Lefty with delusions of grandeur?) seems to conveniently forget that the pedophilia (or ephebophilia) issue in public schools is NATIONAL, not local!
As a backward, third-world, hillbilly, inbred, ignoramus I resent being compared to a member of the LA School Board.
What the Hell are you talking about? President Clinton was impeached. And that’s neither here nor there. Just saying that a cover-up is usually more newsworthy than crimes that happen, unfortunately every day.
Since you’re calling me a “lying piece of shit,” I guess you didn’t take the time to read the report I hyperlinked to. You know, the report that the US Conference of Catholic Bishops commissioned. The John Jay Report. Where the USCCB admits that over 4,000 thousand priests have been accused of molestation and sexual abuse since 1950. Considering the compulsive nature of pedophilia and the reluctance of victims to come forward, the number of victims is probably in the tens of thousands. But 4,200 is the extreme, no way in Hell, lowball number. And it still qualifies for “thousands upon thousands of victims.”
This is the third time I’ve sent you this link. Since you are obviously unable to handle something as difficult as a hyperlink, here’s some help: click on the dark text.
That is why I am calling you a moron. If you’re not a moron, what are you? Obviously you have some anger issues since you are attacking me for lying when in actuality you refuse to check the sources I provided.
No, anger is no excuse. Atheling, you’re an idiot. Plain and simple. An idiot.
You’re certainly not worth the respect that I try to give everyone on this board.
That sounds good hypothetically, but I’d like to hear some documented evidence of the NEA taking an active role in the relocation of pedophiles, and coverup of child abuse cases, similar to, or on the scale of how the rogue Church leaders operated. I share your outrage,but I think you’re talking in generalities, whereas the Church has produced documented conspiracies. Moreover, I’m sure we aren’t trying to compare the NEA to the Catholic Church in regards to size, scope, influence, responsibility….
Sure. I haven’t looked up any Hillsborough County quotes, but sure a word or two should be said. But where is the coordinated system of coverup on a national, and occasional multi-continental levels. It’s not there.
And again:
I could expound on how the Catholic church is organized in a way, where the manipulator, abuser can claim to have “God on his side”, and the victim needs to trust so that he/she can enter heavan and avoid hell, making it a greater evil in the minds of most.
Child abuse is disgustingly, horrible, plain and simple, but the equating here is unnecessary, and in the end, not very equal at all.
Why don’t you? Please enlighten us.
#118 mistress said:
Agreed.
I think it’s important to point out that observing an imbalance in media resorces and coverage of a particular subject (pedophilia) is not the same as “equating” separate perpetrating institutions (here, the US Public School System and the Catholic Church.)
I think a larger question is, as highlighted by this thread, where is the scrutiny? Cover up and potential discovery, as evidenced by the Catholic Church’s example, are normally preceded by scrutiny.
1997 figures show that there are roughly 50,000 Catholic priests and 12,000 permanent Catholic deacons in the US. By comparison, there are roughly 3 million public school teachers (48x more than Catholic priests and deacons.)
As a potential pool of victims, there are 2,548,710 Catholic school students in the US. By comparison, there are 47,917,774 public school students (19x more than Catholic schools.)
If a similar level of media scrutiny, legal and victim advocacy and public attention was given to a 50 year history of public schooling in the US, (48x larger in potential perpetrators and 19x larger in potential victims than the US Catholic Church on average) do you think it possible to find close to the 4% level of accusation that the John Jay Report identified in the Catholic Church example? Or is there a societal/genetic difference between Catholic priests who interact with children and public school teachers who do the same?
I contend that, without an equal amount of scrutiny which you might consider “unnecessary,” we and potential victims of past, present and future US Public School System pedophilia may never find out.
I totally agree with you on prosecution of the church (Bernard “Bunny” Law was never prosecuted, only promoted) but your first sentence was more correct: Any time a child is abused it is a big deal.
Thus, there is no greater or lesser degree of abuse when a single case is sufficient for prosecution. The LA system and teachers should be prosecuted exactly as the Church was, no ifs, ands or buts. Who is to say that thousands of victims won’t come out of the woodwork like they did in the Church prosecutions?
The flaw in your example is that the Boy Scouts specifically took steps to prevent homosexual pedophilia, by banning gay scoutmasters, and they were excoriated in the press and elsewhere, particularly by liberals.
They did what the church should have done, but since it was promoted as “anti-gay,” then the abuse from the media etc. started and hasn’t let up. The Church example precisely proves that the Boy Scouts were correct in their actions.
How can anyone reconcile these two examples without being a complete hypocrite? (this is not an accusation, by the way)
Re: Rusty
YOu claim that over 4,000 priests have been ACCUSED of the crime. That does not mean that over 4,000 priests ACTUALLY COMMITTED the crime, does it?
In the USA, one is innocent until proven guilty. I guess you on the Left forgot that minutia.
So, who’s the idiot?
Oh, and Rusty my boy, that is no “proof” of “thousands upon thousands”. Sorry, but you are still full of you know what.
Homosexuality and pedophilia are two different things (just look at R. Kelly).
My Mom was an assistant scoutmaster in our troop. She loved it so much that she actually stayed at Boy Scout camp in New Hampshire for two summers. She was very active within out Troop.
A couple towns over, there was a scandal involving a woman involved in Scouts having a sexual relationship with a 12-yr-old boy.
Should the BSA have banned adult heterosexual women (Hi Mom!) from going on camping trips and things like that? Of course not. Heterosexual women and homosexual men aren’t the problem. Pedophiles are the problem.
Also of note, the BSA didn’t take the statutory rapist and move her to a different Troop. Nor did they publicly tell her victim that they didn’t believe him.
Atheling, if you don’t think that Catholic priests were responsible for the molestation of at least ten thousand minors, then you’re free to do so. The Church itself would disagree with you, but, whatever.
Little man Rusty:
You have yet to prove your assertion. I’ve asked you several times, and all you’ve done is call me names.
You were called on for your lies and hyperbole. So are you going to show proof or are you going to just stand there and bleed to death?
More of Rusty’s moronic assertions:
“Homosexuality and pedophilia are two different things”
What if it’s an older man molesting boys?
Did your momma drop you on your head or what?
What if it’s an older woman molesting boys? Or an older man molesting girls?
Homosexuality and heterosexuality are totally different from pedophilia.
Proving how many people were molested within the Church is as impossible to prove as gravity or evolution. I’m using the number that the Catholic Church has provided.
You are an idiot.
That’s right, sink into more idiocy, Rusty.
Over 90% of the priests who were found guilty of molestation were men who molested TEEN AGE BOYS.
Now what does “homosexual” mean? IT MEANS OF THE SAME SEX, you moron!
Now I’m taking off the gloves, you pondscum. You are one of the most stupid, obtuse, and idiotic commenters on this site.
From what I’ve read by other commenters, they share that observation. Your comments are devoid of fact; they are mainly false statements based on the moronic belief system you have the misfortune of harboring.
Indeed, Rusty, you spew s*** because your head is so firmly implanted up your anus that you inhale feces.
That’s why you have s*** for brains, you lousy leftard.