Over 90% of the priests who were found guilty of molestation were men who molested TEEN AGE BOYS.

Now what does “homosexual” mean? IT MEANS OF THE SAME SEX, you moron!

Now I’m taking off the gloves, you pondscum. You are one of the most stupid, obtuse, and idiotic commenters on this site.

From what I’ve read by other commenters, they share that observation. Your comments are devoid of fact; they are mainly false statements based on the moronic belief system you have the misfortune of harboring.

Indeed, Rusty, you spew s*** because your head is so firmly implanted up your anus that you inhale feces.

That’s why you have s*** for brains, you lousy leftard.

Homosexuality and heterosexuality are totally different from pedophilia.

Proving how many people were molested within the Church is as impossible to prove as gravity or evolution. I’m using the number that the Catholic Church has provided.

You are an idiot.

“Homosexuality and pedophilia are two different things”

What if it’s an older man molesting boys?

Did your momma drop you on your head or what?

You have yet to prove your assertion. I’ve asked you several times, and all you’ve done is call me names.

You were called on for your lies and hyperbole. So are you going to show proof or are you going to just stand there and bleed to death?

The flaw in your example is that the Boy Scouts specifically took steps to prevent homosexual pedophilia, by banning gay scoutmasters, and they were excoriated in the press and elsewhere, particularly by liberals.

Homosexuality and pedophilia are two different things (just look at R. Kelly).

My Mom was an assistant scoutmaster in our troop. She loved it so much that she actually stayed at Boy Scout camp in New Hampshire for two summers. She was very active within out Troop.

A couple towns over, there was a scandal involving a woman involved in Scouts having a sexual relationship with a 12-yr-old boy.

Should the BSA have banned adult heterosexual women (Hi Mom!) from going on camping trips and things like that? Of course not. Heterosexual women and homosexual men aren’t the problem. Pedophiles are the problem.

Also of note, the BSA didn’t take the statutory rapist and move her to a different Troop. Nor did they publicly tell her victim that they didn’t believe him.

YOu claim that over 4,000 priests have been ACCUSED of the crime. That does not mean that over 4,000 priests ACTUALLY COMMITTED the crime, does it?

In the USA, one is innocent until proven guilty. I guess you on the Left forgot that minutia.

So, who’s the idiot?

On May 19th, 2008 at 5:16 pm, Rusty said:

Any time a child is abused it is a big deal. However, systematic organized abuse is a bigger deal. The LA schools qualify. And, to an exponentially larger extent, the Catholic Church qualifies too.

You know what they said about Presidents Nixon and Clinton. It isn’t the crime that was the problem, it’s the cover-up.

With these scandals, it’s both. Abusive teachers are rarely protected by other organizations or by their superiors. If they’re found out, they’re gone.

With LA and, again, more obviously, the Catholic Church, you had horrible abuse and then you had a horrible cover-up. The LA cover-up has been going on since January. The Church had it going for over 50 years. Equating the two is ridiculous.

I totally agree with you on prosecution of the church (Bernard “Bunny” Law was never prosecuted, only promoted) but your first sentence was more correct: Any time a child is abused it is a big deal.

Thus, there is no greater or lesser degree of abuse when a single case is sufficient for prosecution. The LA system and teachers should be prosecuted exactly as the Church was, no ifs, ands or buts. Who is to say that thousands of victims won’t come out of the woodwork like they did in the Church prosecutions?

On May 20th, 2008 at 12:47 am, Rusty said:

No one is saying that abuse is a Catholic thing. It’s a position of authority thing. That includes teachers, family, and, yes, priests.

If a national organization like, say, the Boy Scouts took Scoutmasters accused of pedophilia and moved them from troop to troop after every accusation, it would be a front page story. The Catholic Church dwarfs the Boy Scouts in scope. Especially when considering Pope John Paul II, the freaking Pope!, helped excuse the cover-up by promoting Cardinal Law (who should be in jail, forever).

(Also, props to Pope Benedict XVII for talking with abused Catholics in NY and DC. If only his predecessor had shown the same compassion.)

The “these things happen” quote is about right. Murders happen. Rapes happen. Abuse happens. It doesn’t mean that there should be any less outrage. But when a large organization is assiting in a cover-up, that makes the story.

Every bad thing can’t make the front page of the New York Times or open the national news broadcast. It’s not bias. And the two situations certainly aren’t equatable.

The flaw in your example is that the Boy Scouts specifically took steps to prevent homosexual pedophilia, by banning gay scoutmasters, and they were excoriated in the press and elsewhere, particularly by liberals.

They did what the church should have done, but since it was promoted as “anti-gay,” then the abuse from the media etc. started and hasn’t let up. The Church example precisely proves that the Boy Scouts were correct in their actions.

How can anyone reconcile these two examples without being a complete hypocrite? (this is not an accusation, by the way)

Child abuse is disgustingly, horrible, plain and simple,

Agreed.

…but the equating here is unnecessary, and in the end, not very equal at all.

I think it’s important to point out that observing an imbalance in media resorces and coverage of a particular subject (pedophilia) is not the same as “equating” separate perpetrating institutions (here, the US Public School System and the Catholic Church.)

But where is the coordinated system of coverup on a national, and occasional multi-continental levels. It’s not there.

I think a larger question is, as highlighted by this thread, where is the scrutiny? Cover up and potential discovery, as evidenced by the Catholic Church’s example, are normally preceded by scrutiny.

1997 figures show that there are roughly 50,000 Catholic priests and 12,000 permanent Catholic deacons in the US. By comparison, there are roughly 3 million public school teachers (48x more than Catholic priests and deacons.)

As a potential pool of victims, there are 2,548,710 Catholic school students in the US. By comparison, there are 47,917,774 public school students (19x more than Catholic schools.)

If a similar level of media scrutiny, legal and victim advocacy and public attention was given to a 50 year history of public schooling in the US, (48x larger in potential perpetrators and 19x larger in potential victims than the US Catholic Church on average) do you think it possible to find close to the 4% level of accusation that the John Jay Report identified in the Catholic Church example? Or is there a societal/genetic difference between Catholic priests who interact with children and public school teachers who do the same?

I contend that, without an equal amount of scrutiny which you might consider “unnecessary,” we and potential victims of past, present and future US Public School System pedophilia may never find out.

Mistress Justice (that name kills me)says:
I could expound on how the Catholic church is organized in a way, where the manipulator, abuser can claim to have “God on his side”, and the victim needs to trust so that he/she can enter heavan and avoid hell, making it a greater evil in the minds of most.

Why don’t you? Please enlighten us.

I guess if you completely ignor the despicable and enormous influence of the NEA in this mess, you might assume that it is only a “local” matter. The National Education Association makes it so difficult to discipline misbehaving teachers that local officials often make quiet deals to pass the problem on to another school rather than deal with it properly.

The local school administration is completely outgunned by the nationwide union. The NEA and its state affiliates are more than happy to encourage school officials to “pass the trash” to protect teachers at the expense of students. So to say it is only a local matter and deserves no national attention merely allows the coverup of sexual abuse to continue on almost unnoticed.

That sounds good hypothetically, but I’d like to hear some documented evidence of the NEA taking an active role in the relocation of pedophiles, and coverup of child abuse cases, similar to, or on the scale of how the rogue Church leaders operated. I share your outrage,but I think you’re talking in generalities, whereas the Church has produced documented conspiracies. Moreover, I’m sure we aren’t trying to compare the NEA to the Catholic Church in regards to size, scope, influence, responsibility….

Do you think that both state and federal teachers unions might have a say about word on pedophilia in their jurisdictions getting out into the public?

Sure. I haven’t looked up any Hillsborough County quotes, but sure a word or two should be said. But where is the coordinated system of coverup on a national, and occasional multi-continental levels. It’s not there.

And again:
I could expound on how the Catholic church is organized in a way, where the manipulator, abuser can claim to have “God on his side”, and the victim needs to trust so that he/she can enter heavan and avoid hell, making it a greater evil in the minds of most.

Child abuse is disgustingly, horrible, plain and simple, but the equating here is unnecessary, and in the end, not very equal at all.

Musty still hasn’t provided documentation of the punishment that Bill Clinton received for covering up his crimes.

What the Hell are you talking about? President Clinton was impeached. And that’s neither here nor there. Just saying that a cover-up is usually more newsworthy than crimes that happen, unfortunately every day.

Is that all you can do, Rusty? You stated that “thousands upon thousands of children” have been abused by the Catholic Church. I asked you to give me a number with substantiation, which you ignore, and I requested it again, and you resort to calling me a “moron”.

So, who is being the lying a**hole here?

I’m not going to let this go, Rusty. I’m going to continue asking you because a**holes who lie shouldn’t get away with it. YOU HAVE NO CREDIBILITY, YOU LYING POS!

Since you’re calling me a “lying piece of shit,” I guess you didn’t take the time to read the report I hyperlinked to. You know, the report that the US Conference of Catholic Bishops commissioned. The John Jay Report. Where the USCCB admits that over 4,000 thousand priests have been accused of molestation and sexual abuse since 1950. Considering the compulsive nature of pedophilia and the reluctance of victims to come forward, the number of victims is probably in the tens of thousands. But 4,200 is the extreme, no way in Hell, lowball number. And it still qualifies for “thousands upon thousands of victims.”

This is the third time I’ve sent you this link. Since you are obviously unable to handle something as difficult as a hyperlink, here’s some help: click on the dark text.

That is why I am calling you a moron. If you’re not a moron, what are you? Obviously you have some anger issues since you are attacking me for lying when in actuality you refuse to check the sources I provided.

No, anger is no excuse. Atheling, you’re an idiot. Plain and simple. An idiot.

You’re certainly not worth the respect that I try to give everyone on this board.

What kind of backward, third-world, hillbilly, inbred, ignoramus would make a statement like that? Oh, LA Unified School District, nevermind.

As a backward, third-world, hillbilly, inbred, ignoramus I resent being compared to a member of the LA School Board.

Good rebuttal. “Mistress Justice” (what kind of name is that? Lawyer? Judge? Or just another Lefty with delusions of grandeur?) seems to conveniently forget that the pedophilia (or ephebophilia) issue in public schools is NATIONAL, not local!