Amnesty alert: Tracking the Feinstein/Craig illegal alien farmworker amendment
Just keeping you up to date on the latest illegal alien amnesty push. As I noted last week, the Feinstein/Craig illegal alien farmworker amendment was tacked onto the Iraq war supplemental bill and will be up for a vote this week–likely Wednesday (see here and here for background).
Stalwart immigration enforcement supporter and staunch shamnesty-killer Sen. Jeff Sessions is on the case. Via the Birmingham News:
“There were no hearings on it and nobody had any idea that this was about to happen,” Sessions said from his Capitol Hill office.
His staff had a late night analyzing the 101-page provision that would allow certain agricultural workers to stay in the country legally, and when Sessions came to work the next day, he was back in fiery form as lead critic of any new program that doesn’t cut down on the number of border crossers…
… At issue was an amendment giving temporary legal status to those who can prove they’ve been working on U.S. farms in the past two years, pay a fine, and continue to work at least 100 days a year over the next five years.
“This amendment provides a consistent, stable workforce for an industry that depends almost exclusively on undocumented labor - agriculture,” said sponsor Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif. She and fellow sponsor, Sen. Larry Craig, R-Idaho, called it an emergency measure to keep planters, pickers, pruners and packers on the job. The number receiving the special status would be capped at 1.35 million, according to Craig’s office.
Although similar to a plan that was in the failed immigration reform legislation last year, it had one key difference - a five-year expiration date. In response, the Senate Appropriations Committee agreed by a 17-12 vote to add it to the war funding bill.
The expiration date did not assuage Sessions. He figures the 1.35 million workers who gain the temporary legal status would be joined by about 1.62 million of their relatives.
“What do you think will happen at the end of five years? Is anybody going to ask them to go back home?” Sessions asked.
… “That’s a special-interest policy, not the national policy. These big agribusinesses are not entitled to set immigration policy for America just to meet their interests.”
Feinstein has tried to pass the legislation, known widely as Ag Jobs, for more than a year. Critics have called it amnesty; advocates say it’s key to the American farm economy.
Sessions on Friday resumed his role of whipping up public opposition.
“I do think it’s important that those of us who care about it let the people know what is happening,” he said. “I think it’s possible this could be blocked and not become law, but I think it’s possible if nobody complains, that they could force it through.”
NumbersUSA reminds you to keep up the pressure on Washington:
The full Senate may begin work on the bill on Tuesday, May 20, so please contact your Senators now to urge them to work to strip the amnesty from the Iraq spending bill on the floor, as well as the other amendments increasing immigration levels.
Capitol Switchboard at 202-224-3121
The most important point to stress is that there is no need for an amnesty to provide growers with workers. There already is an H-2A foreign ag worker program that provides growers with an unlimited number of temporary workers if the growers agree to pay a decent wage and ensure that they go home at the end of the season. Feinstein is just trying to protect the abysmally low wages and bad working conditions that farmworkers labor under.
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Time for Juan McAmnesty to weigh in….
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Get it yet congress?
Probably not - congress seems to have trouble with two-letter words.
My throat is already stuffed with the plethora of crap Congress is cramming down it. Any chance we can get them a year-long holiday?
Let’s make them all go home for a year and maybe they will be able to see what America is really feeling about illegal aliens, drilling for oil, global warming and, of course, them.
1.35M amnestied. That is about the same number expected to be given amensty in 1986 (but grew to 3M when all done). Disgusting what these pandering pols will do. Many thanks to Senator Sessions for making note of this publicly. Otherwise, all the closet open borders supporters (hutchinson et al) would vote for it with cover.
As someone that grew up on a family farm, all I can say is that if you can’t make a profit without hiring slave labor, then you shouldn’t be in business. The Politicians keep treating these farmers like they are family farmers just trying to get by. This is not the case, these are almost always corporate farms. If you can’t make a profit, grow a different crop.
I called both of my Senator’s Washington offices… the ladies answering the phones seem to anticipate my request to vote against the amnesty package…I suspect the calls have been very much one sided….against….However, it appears that an overwhelming, preponderance of calls will be needed to get the Senator’s attention…..A “flood” is required…and immediately….all floods start with a few drips….wait! uh..No…I’m not saying you’re a….uh…well, anyway….please call
Yeah, guess who my Senator is? And her voicemail is full.
And if you’re dyslexic, NO = ON, which could mean go, or maybe sideways it’s OZ, in which case they have to watch out for flying monkeys, or maybe it’s ZO, which is sort of like ZOO, which reminds them of cotton candy and penguins and, er… Oh that’s right, let’s introduce an amnesty bill!
Feinstein-Craig = FC = Full of Crap …
English lesson for these 2 idiots …
Undocumented = Illegal …
Unfortunately, as I have said before, until one of these “elitist DC wimps” gets themselves or someone in their family personally attacked and hurt by illegals nothing will change …
no different than their viewpoint on the terrorist situation …
out of sight out of mind …
What a bunch of loons …
Dont forget the ‘other’ provisions in this little gem. The unilateral increases in the h1 programs are there in spite of the clear corruption identified in those programs by congress. Seems that there is a connection between the companies that are involved in these activities and the congress people involved in expanding this scam. All in all, just another day of the US congress working against the American worker.
Feinstein or is it Fienstien? Doesn’t matter. She and Craig both need to go. Keep calling the offices of your representatives and flooding their email boxes. Even the dhimmest of them will get the hint. Another reason to find true conservatives and get them into the house and senate.
Krykee. No wonder these obtuse twits on the Hill have lower numbers than GW.
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If they lived in a REAL community, and saw how this insane problem impacts day-to-day life as it does me, they might begin to clue in. But, in their Capitol Hill isolation tanks they get to cherry-pick the reality they deem fit for the rest of us.
Senator Happy Feet needs to resign.
Senator Feinstein is a waste of carbon…I’ve heard her speeches on the senate floor…and Widestance Craig has no credibility. Feinstein, Widestance, Bush, Clinton, Obama, McCain…all these supports of amnesty must be missing a chromosome. Come on folks, call your senators at the switchboard number given above. It’s easy.
We know there is no such thing as a centrist Democrat - except when running for office. Once in, they tow the liberal line and vote in lock step with the rest of their party.
That being said, I don’t think contacting my Senators in the Commonwealth of Virginia will do any good as I’ve tried before - one is Jim Webb (Big D) and the other is the RINO John Warner (little r) (only to be replaced with another Warner - liberal Democrate extraordinaire) this fall.
Won’t be long until they have the run of the full House and Senate. Where did all the vermin come from?
Two other bills winding their way though the congress this week which contain various portions of the amnesty for all.
Congress is determined to get this through one way or another.
Let’s throw all of the bums out that is possible this November, because no matter who wins the presidency we musn’t give them a congress full of cronies to continue business as usual.
Strange bedfellows these two, Feinstein and Craig….Perhaps Feinstein has a matching stance….hmmmmm…
Yeesh! And the RNC wonders why they’re have a teeny tiny little problem with the base!
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Let’s not forget to send our thanks and encouragement to Senator Sessions (and his staff) for the fine stand he has consistently taken on this critical matter.
Although I don’t live in Alabama, I’ve e-mailed this fine Senator my thanks before, and I’m doing it again!
Senator Sessions is a patriot!
I’m on the phone now!
All circuits busy! Yee haa!!
Wonder if we can turn her over to Al Gore for some carbon credits LOL
As far as this is concerned, its just more amnesty.
Is the agricultural jobs ones that simply “americans just wont do”?
No.
It’s jobs Americans wont do for 2 dollars an hour and live in abject poverty or dont want to live 30 to a house to make a living.
This is simple. I mean, i’d pick cabbage if the wage was consistant with the work. But they’re not.
Punish the businesses. I promise if you attack what supplies illegals with funds and work, they’ll have no choice but to go elsewhere.
And attack them *painfully*. People often only react quickly to intense stimuli. Pain (in the wallet) is certainly a powerful motivator. Losing your freedom is also another such motivator.
I say..
First offense: $250,000 per worker.
Second offense: permanent revocation of business license and mandatory 3 months of jail per worker.
I dont think people would be so quick to keep them in their employ if there was such a painful and strict means of dealing with those who assist, harbor, and exploit illegals.
Sent this morning via NumbersUSA:
I have two words that will improve the republican brand this fall and put a stop to a lot of his nonsense coming out of congress. President Cheney
Here’s a link to make it easy for you to fill out a form.
http://www.senate.gov/index.htm
When you get there, click on the upper right, where it says find your senators. I believe that every senator has a link where you can enter a comment.
And here’s another reminder to keep your temper in check. A respectful message to a senator should be more significant than an angry rant.
While these jerks are selling out this country for the future votes of illegals, it’s time to remind them that THEY WORK FOR US. Threaten to have a recall vote against them. Vote them ALL out! It’s high time that they stop craming stuff down our throats. Does their approval rating have to fall into single digits before they get what we are saying? Do they think we will just get tired and go away?
Can’t we force Feinstein into retirement or something.. or banish her back to whatever evil witch’s coven she came from?
Just fired a letter off to Richard Luger. I asked him how a quest worker program works for a developing country like the Republic of the Philippines, but no one thinks it could work for South American countries? The Philippines has the largest (legal) migrant work force on earth. A full 10% of the population, that’s 9 million people, work outside their country. They work a two year contact, then go home. Contracts can be renewed. Work does not entitle them to permanent residency….and many don’t want it anyway, just like the Latinos don’t assimilate into the USA because they don’t want to!! 1. come here legally. 2.work hard and honest. Go home when your shift is over and make room for the next guy.
Unfortunately, she is going to be “termed out” so she is showing her true colors. She has nothing to lose and does not respect the voters who have time and time again said we do not want amnesty. She would rather take the money from whatever pimps are paying her to do this and you know what that makes her.
Some else mentioned being respectful. These people do not deserve it anymore. I say we turn it up.
Can’t they take a restroom break for Senator Craig?
I would word the end of Michelle’s article a bit differently.
_What Fienstein’s bill does is remove any mechanism or responsibility for making sure that the “temporary” workers actually do go back when the temporary work is done._
Wouldn’t you just love to uncover payoffs to Feinstein from the likes of La Raza and the ACLU? Wow what a storm that would be.
Then again, half of America would just as likely say “who?” and then go back to sleep.
You know what’s scary? I called my two Senators in Missouri, and it’s the Democrat (McCaskill) who is openly opposed to illegal immigration! The Republican (Bond) staffer said he favored the ability to get more farm workers. I asked what was wrong with the H-2A temporary worker program, and that was apparently too much to deal with.
The world is truly backwards when my Democrat Senator has her head screwed on far straighter than my Republican Senator…
to Rambler:
Most states don’t have the ability to recall state officials, let alone Federal. I am not sure that any state has provisions for recalling Federal officials (much like the weasel-wording that has to happen to get term limits on US congress
But SHE needs the cheap labor for her hotels…and Craig needs his airport bathrooms to be clean…and Pelosi needs laborers for her non-productive vineyards in Napa…?
Begs the question…again…WHY, really?
How many times do Americans have to fight against amnesty being shoved down their throats?
That reminds me of that Nextel commercial of when firemen ran congress, it is probably accurate too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VO6DORwBzuA
“This amendment provides a consistent, stable workforce for an industry that depends almost exclusively on undocumented labor - agriculture,” said sponsor Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif.
So picking fruits & vegetables is a job that only criminals can do?
If that is true, California’s prison system is full of cheap labor. Let them earn their keep. They make GPS collars for dogs, put them on the cons. If they try of escape, track’em down and add 10 yrs. to their sentence.(if thy are not shot first).
madchef
Sheriff Joe already does that with the prisoners in his Maricopa County Jail … they grow a lot of their own food which is used by the county jail … they also do a lot of work for the county humane society in the care and feeding of the stray animals which cut the cost of that to 20% of its previous yearly expenses …
“California’s prison system is full of cheap labor. Let them earn their keep.”
HELL YES! I’ve always been an advocate of making criminals pay for their lodgings, not taxpayers. The US has a HUGE untapped resource there, so why not use it? Crims, doing the jobs only the crims will do? wait..
This crap must end, keep idividule bills seperate
I have no problem with legal migrant workers. We have used them for a hundred years, everything worked well for everyone until the 1980’s.
Mirgrant workers used to come here work a few months and go home. I repeat: it was good for the worker, good for Mexico, good for the farmer, good for the consumer, and good for the USA.
We need this influx of labor to harvest our crops.
However with all the crap that has been pulled by congress on illegal immagration, I am worried about what this bill (buried in a Iraq funding bill) really says.
Rep.Sen.Craig-didn’t he recently get a “farm bill” passed giving our tax $$$$ to muti-millionaire farmers and muti-million $$$ farm corporations?
Don’t T.Tuner and S. Donaldson own large “farms”?
Just asking……
On May 19th, 2008 at 1:57 pm, nyc123me said:
“California’s prison system is full of cheap labor. Let them earn their keep.”
OK, I agree in principal… but who is gonna buy MS13 brand lettuce?
Reuters: Four Americans killed in Mexico near border
Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN1954747020080519?feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews&rpc=22&sp=true
Oh yeah, BTW
NOTE FROM NUMBERSUSA: Criminals would only be barred if they had been convicted of one or more felonies or three or more misdemeanors, so a couple of convictions for domestic violence or drunk and disorderly are fine, since those are generally misdemeanor offenses. And, of course, terrorists-in-waiting—those who have not yet committed a terrorist act or been caught with other known terrorists so they could be added to the watch list—likely would have no trouble qualifying for this amnesty, just as Mahmud Abouhalima, an illegal-alien cab driver in New York, qualified for the 1986 agricultural amnesty before going on to drive a bomb into the World Trade Center in 1993.
jus sayin…
How is letting 1.35 M people stay here for five years amnesty? Making them citizens would be amnesty. Letting them stay forever would be amnesty.
What, exactly, isn’t amnesty? Will anything be satisfactory other than deporting everyone with a vaguely latino name and then using landmines and predator drones to shut off the border? If any compromise is immediately labeled “shamnesty”, then congress will continue not really doing anything. There isn’t the political will to deport everyone, but there isn’t the political will for a universal amnesty program. There could be political will for something somewhere in the middle, and the more conservatives call any compromise “shamnesty,” the less say they’ll have in what that compromise turns out to be. You ought be a little bit less rabid, and seriously ask yourself “Is letting 1.35 M illegal immigrants work here for 5 years really the same as making all 12 M illegal immigrants citizens?”
Christian Soldier #43 wide-stance Craig has been in the pocket of Agri-Big Business for a very long time. I have completely given up on contacting his staffers, because I don’t think I can keep my temper and use of flight line language under control. I have contacted Senator Crapo’s office and they have been receptive, but are not willing to give me the Senator’s committed stance on the issue, which makes me a little nervous. They pulled the same fence sitting stance during last summer’s attempt at shoving McCain-Kennedy down our throats.
Our prison system is full of plenty able bodied criminals that need to get off their butts and repay their debt to society by being forced to replace the criminals that sneak across our border to work for the American Agricultural Industry. It is past time to bring back hard labor with incarceration that will give them plenty of exercise outside to combat the obesity problems many prisoners experience sitting on their butts watching cable TV at the taxpayer’s expense.
I’m ok with paying more for produce if it means the borders are closed and Americans are being paid decent wages for the work.
Folks need to realize that we can’t have cheap food AND no illegal alien workers. It’s no secret that they get these jobs because the growers can pay them so much less. If we get rid of them all and make the growers responsible for minimum-wage laws and all the other related regulations, food prices will increase. We have to accept that if we’re serious about removing all the illegal aliens.
Unless we do the convict thing, as has been mentioned here. Seems like a good idea to me, but don’t know how feasible it is. But if you make the cons responsible for growing and maintainingg gardens, you’re teaching them a skill and possibly developing a respect for the world they might not have hard before. Can’t see how that would be a bad thing.
jroberts,
You are in delusion land. No amnesty means no reward at all for illegal behavior. Like not exempting $100 from my $1000 tax bill.
After 5 years, who is going to return & where? There is no need for mass deportaion, enforce the rules and let people follow their free economic will.
Very true.
Why do you think that will happen. It may be just easier for sellers (like Walmart or Kroger) to just import food from other countries. Its a free market world. Farmers or middlemen in countries like Chile or Cambodia will be richer…
On May 19th, 2008 at 3:33 pm, jroberts said:
How is letting 1.35 M people stay here for five years amnesty?
How was letting a few hundred Rangers land in Normandy an invasion?
because, WE ARE letting them in here to work on jobs WE LET them do on a visa/program WE design. This wasn’t the case in Normandy.
I am definitely not towards open borders, but your arguments do not have any base.
Ditto
Re; brad_sk “I am definitely not towards open borders, but your arguments do not have any base.”
No? funny that you should use the word “base” & not “toe hold”… 1.35 M?
1.35 M… 10 times what we took Iraq with. Please do tell, how once the 1.35M are in that the rest of the 12,13,20M? will be kept out? Do tell…
True. I was working under the assumption that we would still be consuming the food that we produce. And I don’t know what effect tariffs, export/import regs, would have on international food trade. I would think that US farmers would put up a pretty big fight if they started losing out to foreign producers, and we would see more stringent policies put in place regarding food imports (if we don’t already have them).
But I’m not an economics expert, by any means.
My previous post was to show the fallacy of your argument. But if do want to know my answer on your changed subject -
Through the controlled AgJobs visa program…but I do not agree to
give 5 years stay. We can always bring them in for summer and then send back.
I think brooklyn is getting at the “invasion” angle with his comments, if i’m reading right.
With the number of illegals having come across the border, somewhere in the neighborhood of 14 million or more (and with their total population in 2007 listed as 108,700,891)…is what, roughly 12% (if i’m eyeballing it right), the charge for invasion becomes a bit more entertainable.
My problem, as others here echo, is that people are basically being given a free ride (more than they are now) for breaking our laws.
Would a police officer let me go if he found me in someone’s house and i wasnt supposed to be there?
Of course not.
Why is this any different, in principle?
“Folks need to realize that we can’t have cheap food AND no illegal alien workers. ”
Wrong.
Less than 10 cents is attributable to paying illegals full wages.
Also, one CHEAP illegal labor dries up, innovation will pick up the slack. Like automation and harvesting equipment did - just look back to the last set of freed slaves in the civil war.
Source?
Michelle
Why all the constant attention on Obama the Wimptastic? You post on his every stupidity. Most of us are already convinced: he is a disaster waiting to happen. The choir hears you.
With McCain locked in, we can’t count on a presidential veto for the next four years. We really need to focus on congessional races if we are to stave off criminal immigration disaster. What are those races looking like? Who can I send money to (like Sen. Sessions)?
If I am not much mistaken, politicians are able to spend excess campaign donations on other candidates. Having a war chest to help out the like minded would increase the stature of Senators and Congressmen who are on our side. This decreases the power of the RNC, which currently picks and chooses favored candidates to support and which tows the amnesty-by-another-name line.
I know this strategy, if carried to its logical extreme, would make these guys mini “king makers”, but the GOP could un-make them by being on the right side of this and earning our donations.
brad_sk, awww your right, of course… “Through the controlled AgJobs visa program“… how stupid of me! I didn’t realize that a government program would be in charge… sorry for fallacy of
yourmy argument!I am sooo stupid, my apologies… I am sure that this program will be just as good as the one that gives visas to Saudies to go to flight school! I mean, really how could I know that you were running for Congress??
This guy make me miss lgm.
“Amnesty” is misused by both sides in this argument too often in order to describe a system of rewards for illegal behavior. If a fine or jail time is imposed, it is not amnesty.
The McCain-Kennedy bill, and McCain’s current policy, REWARDS illegal behavior. He plans to award that which thieves came here to steal: residency, or at least presence in our country. Because he proposes a small fine of a few thousand dollars, he correctly gets to cloud the issue and call it “not amnesty.”
REWARDING illegal behavior, however, by awarding the ill-gotten goods (residency, in this case) to those who have come here to steal it, is obviously counter-productive, IF you want to discourage future illegal border crossings.
Aah, Bush’s and McCain’s tired old false dichotomy again (along with the usual inflammatory troll-like language): “We can’t deport 12 million illegal workers, THEREFORE we must make them citizens, or at least permanent residents.”
Baloney. Attrition through enforcement is what the majority of Republicans AND Democrats want, given the choice - a choice you conveniently refuse to offer in your straw man argument. See this poll that offers all THREE choices.
Fine with me, as long as McCain, Kennedy, et al, insist on rewarding illegal aliens and their employers. Only Congress can grant rewards of “pathway to citizenship”, etc, ad nauseum. Meanwhile the states are doing a great job of passing strict enforcement laws. Nine states so far, only 41 to go!!
See ’straw man’, ‘false dichotomy’, above.
See the SAVE Act.
Yes, you should: “…latino (sic) name and then using landmines…”
Seriously ask yourself if having the EIGHTH uncontrolled ‘amnesty / forgiveness / pathway to citizenship’ blah, blah, will have a different result this time?? There have been SEVEN general and/or specific amnesties since 1986. Seriously, ask yourself the definition of insanity.
fred5676 , could we discuss the landmines part?
Google “Operation Wetback”….seriously. Deportation can be accomplished…Lawbreakers first…any law…
Labor only accounts for about 6% of the cost of food production, so the increase wouldn’t be unbearable.
Also, in many cases, the illegals can be replaced w/machines for not a lot more money. The reason why the agribusinesses use illegals instead of machines is b/c maintenance is cheaper. When a machine breaks down, it costs the business money to repair it. But if an illegal gets injured on the job, he/she can get ‘repaired’ at the local ER for free, paid for by we stupid US taxpayers.
This amnesty would be legalizing those who are currently working for less than minimum wage b/c they’re here illegally (the average farm laborer earns just over $10,000 annually). Once the illegals are legalized, the businesses who have been hiring them are going to have to pay them a higher wage, & those businesses won’t be able to control the former illegals as easily b/c their legal status will afford them certain workplace rights. As a result, a lot of agribusinesses will start letting go of the newly-legals & hiring illegals, b/c they’re cheaper & easier to control by threatening them w/deportation.
Ultimately, farm-worker amnesties aren’t only about giving people amnesty so they can become temporary guest workers (even though they won’t be here temporarily). They’re just as much-if not more-about amnesty for the agribusinesses who have been hiring the illegals. This is high-ranking govt corruption at it’s most blatant.
And when this gets defeated, do you think the D’s and the presidetial candidates (that includes the R)will give a rats butt? They will just come at it from yet another direction.
LOBOMAN, good point… according to finoia, “This amnesty would be legalizing those who are currently working for less than minimum wage b/c they’re here illegally (the average farm laborer earns just over $10,000 annually). so I guess the proper response is to scream “SLAVE LABOR” !!
Vote for change! vote for slave labor!
That should fix Social Security, no?
Gee, these dems are smart after all…
Dude…no program will be 100% foolproof. It was a very big mistake that we didn’t have proper security/background check of flight school students. But are you suggesting that we stop all student visas too? or you are ok continuing government issued student visas?
We need to sent 12 -20 millions illegals back and then let some in as per our economic necessity - be it summer ag jobs or other jobs where we could have less supply of domestic employees. I hope you are not suggesting that we convert USA into a protectionist country barring anyone from outside.
No doubt illegal immigration is huge issue but shouting that controlled Agjobs programs is same as Nomandy invasion will solve nothing. Illegal immigration is invasion - not controlled AgJobs visa. Also summer time AgJobs programs is different from complete amnesty. But as I said before, I prefer a summer only visa and not a 5 year no-condition stay.
Apologies accepted on your stupidity. Hope you learn to think the entire picture.
Fiona and Ordinary Coloradan,
Where are you getting your info regarding the cost of cheap labor? Now I’m all confused. I thought that the “cheap labor = cheap food” aspect was a big part of the illegal immigration debate.
I am so disgusetd by these traitorous greedy pigs in OUR government. You would think Feinstein would think her own state being 20 million dollars in debt might make her stop and think. Oh, but dum dum Ahrnold says they have nothing to do with the deficit…DUH…and illegal aliens having nothing to do with the gangs and street crime that have turned LA into a cesspool. Just goes to show the lack of education offered in our schools today that these morons have no reasoning capabilities….Feel like you’re in the movie ‘Groundhog Day’ ….over and over and over again we have to stop these idiotic thieves!
Brad, you do not have my permission to address me as “dude”.
No, I am not suggesting that the US of A, stops all student visas. (You do not have my permission to define us, as “we” either).
I hope that your parents have endowed you with sufficient funds… for you are truly unemployable. After-all they did name you approprietly, brad… that being a very small nail.
Alright, sorry about that. Didn’t knew you would be offended by that. Sorry again.
Secondly, we = we, The citizens of USA. I see nothing wrong with that.
Hmm…you are offended by me calling you dude, but then you talk about my name and my parents too… Shows hows much respect you give to other person. Heard of Give Respect and Take Respect. Atleast my parents have given me enough education and values so as to not talk about unknown person’s parents.
BTW - Is the “small nail” same eason YOU are blogging with a screen name as brooklyn red?
I was against a draft… but then there was brad. These brats need a little discipline… lest we dishonor the parents.
brad, I am not offended that you call me dude… I am just stating that you have not earned the right to address me as a peer.
I’m willing to trade 1 million new Mexican laborers who are willing to work for 1 million welfare workers who will be permanently barred from reentering the country.
OK OK, it’s “A Modest Proposal”. It gets the idea across.
However, I am not willing to budge on “CLOSE THE BORDERS FIRST, STUPID LEGISLATORS!” It should not take more than a couple months to finish the project if the motivation is high enough. High motivations have fixed the bridge in Minnesota. They fixed the Los Angeles freeway system after the Northridge earthquake. They can fix the border fencing project and finish it, fast. THEN I will negotiate who is allowed to be legal in the US for how long.
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Well, brooklyn red aka small nail, you have proved many times here that its you who needs a lesson on discipline and one on giving respect and demanding respect and one more on thinking using brains!.