The only problem is that it’s not free. It’s paid for by other people, often against their will.

(I’m not attacking the writer here, as he was voicing the opinion of lefties, not his/her own opinion. And, as a former liberal, I will vouch for the fact that he voiced that opinion accurately.)

We did it in 94, we can do it again.

I just don’t know what happened to Newt…

It was 1986. Reagan only agreed b/c kennedy and the rest of his ilk promised it was a one time shot and borders would be secured. Worked out real well didn’t it. You are correct about the numbers. The congress estimated 1-1.5M would recieve amnesty. 3M was final tally. A subsequent study of the chain migration effect showed that for every 1 amnestied, 3 more were brought in under chain rules.

We have way more than 12M illegals here. Bear/Sterns (sp?) did an estimate a few years back and figured the # closer to 30M. Others estimated 20M years ago. Gov’t uses 12M so as not panic anyone.

Full amensty will end like this for us. Gov’t will say 12M but will not cap it. At least 25M, probably 30M plus, will be given amnesty. Within 10 years another 90M will come in through chain migration (30M x 3 family members). Giving us a total of 120M new citizens (30+% increase within 1 decade). Then of course, the border will not be secured, ICE will not change anything, we will have shown the world we will never deport them once here, and in 10 years, we will have another 10M that “we can’t deport”, especially since now the new citizen voting block will outnubmer us traditionalists. So another amnesty and basically all semblance of a border will be gone, along with any semblance of the America we all knew and loved growing up. Not to mention, these new citizens are by and large very poor, so they will wnat to take from us . WIth such a large block of voters, they can do it. Socialism will become the norm. Sorry it sounds so dire, but I fully beleive my logic holds up in all areas. If it scares Americans, it should.

On May 19th, 2008 at 7:13 pm, gandolphxx said:

Get over it folks, no matter who wins in Nov we are going to give amnesty, citizenship and a ton of our tax money to 20+ million illegal invaders in 2009 – of course we will have to deal with another 10+ million in 2010

Historically at least, and given that Amnesty was given in what? 1986 I believe? (One of my few sad notes about Reagan) and the original estimate was one million. Final count was three million or three times what they guessed (Or estimated as they claimed) Now we have 12 million estimated illegal invaders inside our borders. or four times the number who were granted amnesty.

Now granted, there is only a single instance and limited knowledge to go on but by the same math, we will be granting amnesty to roughly 36 million illegal invaders this time. In another decade or two, can we expect the same increase? That would put the number somewhere around 100 million illegal invaders that we have to deal with?

I do not wish to insult our Hostess by bringing up other celebrities on her site but Borders, Language and Culture seems to ring true here. Conservative, Constitutionalist, Federalist, Liberal, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian or Independent, we should focus on these issues first. Otherwise, politics as we know it may become a thing of the past … right alongside the formerly sovereign Independent but United States of America.

On May 19th, 2008 at 11:48 am, Donut44 said:

I say Great! And let’s kill off conservatism anyways, or at least in name form. I say we take back our REAL name and begin to call ourselves liberals.

It is amazing to me how many people get confused or misunderstand me when I tell them that at least by definition, I am a Classical Liberal. At least now I know I am not the only one LOL Still, in order to prevent confusion, I claim Federalism but even that seems to ring hollow in all too many ears.

Thanks for your support and I do like the idea even though I think the name will remain tainted for some time to come.

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On May 19th, 2008 at 4:59 pm, Ordinary Coloradan said:

Good point. And, do you believe that those were open was accidental?

A (semi-liberal) friend told me early in the primaries that KosHuf both had diaries were their main people were calling for crossover voting. That was long before Rush & OpChaos.

I am certain, looking at the makeup of the muckety-mucks in the party and were they wanted to wind up, that it was purposeful.

Maybe that makes me tinhat… but I remember all the people who said Al Qida as a threat was tinhat-foolery, too.

Knowing (’cause I’m an old & moldy, I’ve lived through a lot of changes…) how the leadership HATED Reagan, wouldn’t give him the time-of-day — until he grew too popular to ignore, I wouldn’t put it past them to set it up.

When you look at CFR through that lens, keeping in mind how it prevents another Reagan from arising while giving an out-of-balance amount of power to the media… AND GWB signed it — in abrogation of his Oath of Office, even though he said in his own words he thought it unconstitutional… you have to atleast entertain the idea that we have been lead to this point by the CountryClubbers. If so, itwas because we trusted them.

Now they tell us if we don’t assist them in our own expulsion the Obammasiah will be elected & “The World Will End”.

You guys figure this out for me, I’m getting too old for this…

- musculus

As for the primaries? OPEN primaries is what got us McCain. I.e. letting Dems and Libs choose our candidate.

All of this clamor for ideological purity will reduce us to a sect quicker than you can say Abu Grahib.

With all these liberal types declaring the death of conservatism lately, methinks that they see something that scares them… could it be the recent elections in Europe???

Good point.