Kennedy diagnosed with brain tumor
Put aside your political differences and join me in keeping Sen. Ted Kennedy and his family in your prayers as they grapple with the news of his malignant brain tumor diagnosis.
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Agreed.
This would be a good time for him to retire.
Absolutely.
Good luck to him.
Absolutely–keeping him in our prayers.
i am sure the family is in shock; and this is the time to take stock of the priorities in life. my prayers are for his family as the endure the future impact of this illness.
#2, I am not trying to be mean here, but I would retire. A brain tumor is one of the best reasons I can think of to retire.
I’m gonna get hammered for this, but…
I just dont feel an ounce of sympathy for this man.
Even if I belived in something to pray to, I’m not sure i could muster the energy to do so. Perhaps that makes me a monster, but…so be it.
I just cant do it. Sorry.
my 2 cents.
Politics is insignificant in the realm of news like this. Go with God, Senator Kennedy.
I saw the Republicans (Mitch, Kyle,, etc.) come out to speak about Kennedy even before the dems. Why don’t I see the republicans at any other time speaking?
Question: does anyone know what happens if a Senator cannot work. Can that Seator send in proxies to vote on his behalf? I always wondered about that when they take long breaks from the senate.
This diagnosis is definitely sad and I hope that he has time to spend with his family and loved ones.
Certainly a diagnosis that can change your perspective on what is really important in life quite rapidly.
Agreed. I had heard about the tumor, but not that it was malignant. Just awful.
This is surprising and - as much as I disagree with the Kennedy family’s political views - I can’t help but think they’ve probably had more than their fair share of tragedy.
Prayers headin’ Boston way…
And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise him up. If he has sinned, he will be forgiven. Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.”
James 5:15-16
Pray for the man,not the party.
Christian sympathies for the family.
When Ted crosses over, I’m sure he will be welcomed by the millions of Cambodians, Laotians, and Vietnamese who died because of his wretched policies. He has been the worse Senator of the 20th century and perhaps the most destructive political force in the history of the country.
Senator Kennedy and his family have my and my families prayers.
Cancer is not political.
May God Bless, he and his family.
Political differences are always aside in this type of instance. No unkind words from me right now. Here’s hoping and praying for healing and recovery. We’ll “do political battle” another time.
For now, get well soon!
I’ll pray for him. Don’t like his politics but noone should ever be inflicted with such a horrible disease.
On a related note, it’s nice to see that a majority are showing compassion towards our political adversary. I can’t imagine the same maturity from the Koss/Huffington Post/Olberman crowd if our President had the same ailment.
I disagree with much, if not all, of his politics, but my thoughts and prayers are with him and his family.
I hope that he retires - not because I want him out of the Senate, but because wit his current medical condition, every day is precious and should be spent in the company of loved ones, not fighting battles on the Hill.
#1….agreed
+1
is there any irony in knowing that the tumor is in the left side of his brain?
TEEEEEJ
Get well soon Mr. Kennedy. Please lay Your Hands on him, God. He, and his family need You now.
Yep - all politics aside, the Kennedy family is in my prayers. I’m unable to imagine the weight of that news on the family.
I wish you as full a recovery as much as you can, and pray for strength for you and your family for this challenge that you all face.
I just didn’t think a tumor could live in that much alcohol. I don’t have much sympathy for him. Hes used every power and every opportunity to throw this country off the cliff. Goodbye Ted………..
Kennedy is 76, most people would be lucky to live that long. I will only pray for his soul, that he may finally find God, no more. I will focus my prayers for healing for children at St. Jude’s hospital who in their innocence have been stricken with cancer.
Agreed.
I wish him well and hope he chooses to retire to provide the necessary time to focus on the required treatment regime with this health issue.
I pray for God’s mercy and God’s will be done, in all things.
I wouldn’t wish any cancer upon my worst enemy; except Hitler himself.
make sure you’re not standing inside a school and /pray that it’s a misdiagnoses, and that he fully recovers.
-Amen
This will give the donkeys two potted plants in the Senate, along with Tim Johnson.
Actually, make that three with Byrd.
No, make that four with Lautenberg.
If I pray for anyone, it’ll be Mary Jo Kopechne.
#8 & # 26 I know it sounds terrible but, I have to agree with you both. His political influence and bills he has had passed have made this country a 3rd world haven.
Politics is just politics. I hope he recovers quickly and I wish him the best.
When Justice Roberts had his second seizure or when Justice Rehnquist had cancer, there were some inexcusable commenters on various liberal sites celebrating the news. Not really that much different than what we’re getting here. An overwhelming majority that feel compassion and a disappointing minority.
Senator Kennedy has been my representative for my entire life. This news is terrible and, frankly, weird. It’s weird thinking of politics without him.
I wanted him out of politics, but not like this.
I sincerely hope, for Senator Kennedy’s sake, that his doctors are successful at deporting every one of those uninvited, hard working, and fast growing cancer cell invaders from his body as quickly as possible.
Best of luck in this difficult struggle, Senator Kennedy!
“It is said an Eastern monarch once charged his wise men to invent him a sentence, to be ever in view, and which should be true and appropriate in all times and situations. They presented him the words: “And this, too, shall pass away.” How much it expresses! How chastening in the hour of pride! How consoling in the depths of affliction!” — Abraham Lincoln
Actually no Rusty it is ENLIGHTENING to have politics without him!
Politics aside: Praying for him and his family. A brain tumor is a horrible thing to wake up and find out you have. I wish them the best.
You’re not going to get hammered from me.
Same here, Rusty. He’s a political lion. I can’t imagine Massachusetts politics without him.
If he retires will it mean the tree huggers get there windfarm?
My wife went through this seven years ago; it’s a remarkably tough diagnosis and a wakeup call on your own fragility. I’m not a big TK fan either, but his kids and family are dealing with the mortality of a loved one, so I hope “our kind” can be a little kinder about this news. Illness isn’t a form of punishment, it’s not a function of Karma, and it’s certainly not God’s wrath…it’s just something that transcends all social class and politics and no amount of misconduct or piety can cause or prevent it. God bless TK and those that love him.
Rusty,
I would submit that the comments left on those sites about Roberts and Rehnquist were not even CLOSE to the ones posted here so far. There is a temperence here, even from those not wishing him well, that you would NOT find in your example.
For the record:
His politics are aside in this issue. This man has blood on his hands. He deserves no sympathy. For decades, he has enjoyed the liberty to live and breathe. He has had children, and lived a full and eventful life. The person he left to DROWN AND DIE in a car had no such luxury. She was never afforded the chance to continue her life. She was never given a chance to grow old and die in her bed surrounded by her family. May whatever lies on the other side judge him accordingly.
I’ll save my concers for those who truly deserve it. Real had it right earlier.
I second that Papa Louie.
McCain will be heartbroken.
I know what you mean on both points. Brain cancer can get extremely ugly, and my thoughts are surely with the Senator and his family. Based on his alleged lifestyle, I’m shocked that he’s lived this long. He’s kind of like the Keith Richards of politics. I hope things workout okay for him in a peaceful, merciful manner.
If you can’t swallow your bile for the sake of being a decent human being, what about swallowing it for Michelle’s sake? The comments here reflect on her.
My 6 year old nephew is fighting a similar tumor that Mr. Kennedy has. This is not pretty by any means and I do not wish this upon my worst enemy.
I will keep Mr. Kennedy, along with other cancer fighter/survivors in my prayers.
I hope he recovers, runs again and loses. Sadly, I expect neither will come to pass…
Most Kennedys would be lucky to live this long! The Kennedy Curse continues. I can’t help but think at times like this about Karma. My sympathies go out to his family. Truly! To Edward…nada!
I have serious issues with Kennedy’s private life, and his disasterous public policies.
But I believe Mrs. Malkin basically requested this not become the right wing version of the left wing blogs that would be in full celebration mode now if Bush or Cheney or Clarence Thomas were ill.
So, if you can’t say anything nice, you probably shouldn’t say it at all.
I am no fan of his. I am no fan of cancer either being a survivor who was supposed to have died 24 years ago this month. I’d be the first to say that I’d love to see him go - but not like this.
I pray for GOD’S will and for his family.
You lefties are chronically dishonest, Rusty.
#49 sorry it will be a breath of fresh air to have him and his ilk out of the senate no matter how they are removed.
Funny how you can be so repulsed by someone until something like this happens. Nothing like a serious illness to put things in perspective. I believe you can never truly see past the differences you may have with someone until you see them at their most vulnerable. My best wishes go out to the Kennedy family.
I still hate what his policies have done to this country though….
I disagree with Ted Kennedy on almost everything.
But my prayer is for God to heal him and to help him become the man God wants him to be. Life is a precious thing.
My sentiments exactly. We have an opportunity to take the high road, here. I think we should take it.
#53 Nobody here has we hope he dies or is in chronic pain. All we said is we have no sympathy for him. Karma is an amazing thing.
I reject probably every position Kennedy stands for but I would not wish cancer on anyone.
The difference between traditionalist and conservatives vs socialist liberals is the respect for life. Although we are continually labled as people that hate you can clearly see the difference in the responses you find here compared to the responses we have seen recently from liberals whenever something tragic happens to a conservative. (see recent comments towards Nancy Reagan and Jerry Falwell)
I guess when you don’t believe in anything but yourself and when life doesn’t matter you are destined to become very bitter, angry and vile. Does anything define socialist liberals more accurately than bitter, angry and vile?
I pray that he leaves the senate ASAP and I pray that God do not will do for Kennedy what His will may be.
Kennedy deserves reserved sympathy, but, mookie and Rusty, don’t embellish this travesty of a politicians record into something that he never was…respectable.
“It’s weird thinking of politics without him.”
I agree. But that’s because Kennedy is one of the most polarizing and political people around. With him, everything is political. If he weren’t in the Senate, there’d be more harmony in that chamber.
Cancer is bad news. I wouldn’t wish it on anyone.
When he goes…..I hope it will be as peaceful as it should be.
That is about as compassionate as I’m going to get.
I find that 76 doesn’t look quite so old from the vantage point of 67 as it did at, say, 37. However, while I sympathize with him and his family in this tragic moment, it is without doubt true that he was the least of the brothers Kennedy, albeit the longest surviving.
And for Rusty and Mookie, you have short memories or you haven’t been on the ‘net for long. I haven’t forgotten the bile and filth that was spewed from the left when Reagan died. There is and never has been anything on any conservative site to even remotely compare.
On May 20th, 2008 at 2:58 pm, rooster said:
Sorry
I pray that he leaves the senate ASAP and I pray that God do for Kennedy what His will may be.
Kennedy deserves reserved sympathy, but, mookie and Rusty, don’t embellish this travesty of a politicians record into something that he never was…respectable.
Mookie is right. No matter how repugnant anyone on this board may find Sen. Kennedy’s actions to have been, either professionally or personally, this is Michelle’s blog and she has asked us to put aside our difference with Sen. Kennedy.
Cancer is a terribly nasty infliction. As others have noted, I pray God’s will be done and for peace and comfort for the family.
The same thing happened to one of my father’s friends. Doctors diagnosed a stroke and they didn’t find the brain tumor until days later.
I wish him and his family well.
Glad you hung around Soap-box!
Michelle asks us all to put aside our political differences and join with her in keeping Sen. Ted Kennedy and his family in your prayers. And you act like an ass.
Please don’t be such a jerk. Can you do that?
If Michelle doesn’t mind, a reminder that cancer still needs eradicating. Here are a couple of worthy places if you would like to contribute.
Johns Hopkins and Sloan-Kettering are both extraordinary places of research and treatment.
And no, you wouldn’t want anyone you know getting this.
#67 again I have no sympathy for him! Now his family yes I do because I know first hand what cancer does. Thanks for lecture.
Fine you don’t want to talk bad about him, but you know what I don’t want to hear? What a “model of public service” he is, or what a “courageous” and “generous” man he is. What a bunch of PC malarky…./disgust
TEEEEEEJ
The difference between Michelle and blogs like KOS is the Kosacs would be cheering and celebrating if Bush had the tumor. Who is the “compassionate” side? NOT the left (the obvious answer is for the liberals who are clueless).
I’m curious…how many of us would take the same view, e.g. cancer is a horrible way to leave this life, if, say, it was UBL, or Mahmoud the Righteous who was diagnosed with this malady? Would any of us wish them all the best of luck? Be honest!
I am willing to keep my animosity for Kennedy in check here, because I am compassionate, but I can’t help but think that “what goes around comes around” in this case.
Maybe, this is his chance for atonement…I don’t know. I really do feel badly though, that I feel no sorrow for this American Icon.
Absolutely.
Frankly, whether or not you believe Ted Kennedy has lived an honorable life — personal or political — I cannot imagine not feeling empathy for him in this moment, and my heart goes out to him and his family. Cancer is an awful, vicious disease; anyone who has had to watch a loved one die of it knows it is an incredibly painful, difficult experience. I wish him the best.
Decency forbids me twisting the dagger. I only hope that Sen Kennedy is able to find contrition and some semblance of peace with the way he has led his life and how it has affected others.
A brain tumor is not necessarily an immediate death sentence anymore.(Arlen Specter had a brain tumor removed in 1993).It is a tough one, though.
What is wrong with you people NO ONE is cheering for his illness. We just don’t have the false sense of sympathy you all have.
My beloved grandmother died from the same type of malignancy. It is a very unpleasant way to go. May God comfort Sen. Kennedy’s family, who has spent much time in the crucible of pain.
On May 20th, 2008 at 2:41 pm, Jewels said:
Politics aside: Praying for him and his family. A brain tumor is a horrible thing to wake up and find out you have. I wish them the best.
Jewels, I’m with you. Any diagnosis that may result in an unexpectedly quick decline in health is horrible for the family and the person. My prayers are with the Kennedy family.
I will pray for Senator Kennedy. Dying from a brain tumor must be awful. I can’t think of anything worse except perhaps suffocating at the bottom of a tidal pool in a ‘68 Oldsmobile. Alone and scared. At 25 years old.
Mr. Kennedy is the perfect person to pray for.
It’s God’s way of teaching us how to forgive, especially when it’s hard.
I agree that we should follow Michelle’s lead for decency’s sake; however, I disagree that our comments reflect on Michelle.
Given all those shows (House, Grey’s) where strange behaviour is blamed on brain tumors (”It’s not him, it’s the cancer.”), wouldn’t it explain (and excuse) his voting record? Makes you wonder how long it’s been there undiagnosed.
Joking aside, I hope he recovers his health, if not his senate seat.
Good luck, Senator.
My own mother died of colon cancer in January. Politics doesn’t mean a thing in moments like that.
right_on said:
My prayer for them is that they repent, convert to Christianity, get saved, and then turn themselves in to pay for the crimes they have committed.
I do not give a damn what someone on some site does when a conservative dies or faces a life-threatening illness.
It in no way means that I act that way.
Respect for a person suffering is simply that. If you do not have it for political adversaries, keep it to your self.
I do not ask for that which I am not willing to give.
When the history of Senator Kennedy is written, his failings will be evident. Till then he and his family deserve civility in the time of their suffering.
May god bless he and his family with the strength to continue as this terrible disease is unremitting.
I see Ted is getting allot of prayer, I can’t bring myself to do it so I’ll send mine to Mary Jo Kopechne instead.
#83 It will be a great day in the senate when he no longer has a position He has over stayed his welcome.
I’ll make you a deal. I’ll feel bad for Ted the day he takes even a modicum of responsibility for Mary Jo Kopechne and not a single moment before.
Until then, I’ll take the opposite view.
It’s not a conservative/liberal thing in spite of what the libs will think. I was actually saddened when Wellstone died. He was as far left as you could get but he wasn’t a bad man.
Ted Kennedy is a bad, bad man.
Not a fair comparison. The terrorists are clearly evil. Their whole MO is to kill innocents. Ted Kennedy is not evil. Misguided, selfish, maybe, but not evil. Even if you include Chappaquiddick I don’t think you can say he intended to kill.
Anyway, if OBL did get brain cancer, I’d still wish he’d catch a 5.56 between the eyes from one of our own.
I will be thinking of him, as my family has gone through the same diagnosis recently. It’s a real kick in the stomach and transcends politics.
I am no fan of his and have even wished what he is going through on him in the past, my own imaturity on disply for sure. When I heard the news I felt for the Sen and his family.
We have all seen his pain live or played out on the newsreels. May he live out his days in peace.
The KosKids are already lamenting that Booosh and Cheney are not the ones affected by this terrible diagnosis. Classless and typical. Let’s rise above.
Kennedy’s personal life deserves no respect, and his political accomplishments no praise. However, when it is all said and done, this reminds us of how similar we all are. This could happen to any of us, and I would not wish this difficult and tragic diagnosis on anyone. (right_on has a good point though. I doubt I would pray for UBL or Ahmadamnjihad…) But my prayers are with Senator Kennedy. The prognosis is grim, but I still will pray that he and his family do not suffer.
Actually, it makes sense that our commentary could reflect on her, Salt. We are in her house, figuratively speaking, by being granted permission to post our commentary on her blog.
If she is deemed to be surrounded by like-minded people, someone could easily make the leap that she is in agreement with what is said by some of her guests on MichelleMalkin.com.
Make no mistake, I am about as far removed from being a Ted Kennedy fan as you can get. But, cancer is an awful thing. And, no matter how repugnant one might find Sen. Kennedy, his family must also endure the toll it takes on him directly and, indirectly, on them.
May God’s will be done, whatever that may be, and may his family have peace.
Ironically, 67 is also how oldMary Jo Kopechne would be..
I will go along with MM’s sentiments on Kennedy. I do know that the Kos Kids would never be merciful for say that for Charlton Heston or Wayne LaPierre.
But then we are different and civilized
It is at a time like this I am proud to be conservative
Thanks sambo!
#95
What an absolutely horrible way to live out your last hour of life.
SPCOlympics, I’m not here to pile on the abuse vis a vis Ted Kennedy, but I must take exception with your call.
Do yourself a favor and read the police reports and the investigation as to Mary Jo Kopechne’s death. She didn’t drown, she wasn’t unconcious, she slowly suffocated when the air ran out. Take a look at the rescue divers drawings of how Miss Kopechne had positioned herself to get the remaining air. Then envision your sister, daughter, mother or wife in Miss Kopechne’s place. Then fast forward to Ted Kennedy swimming away and going to his hotel room for a nights sleep.
All this without calling for help.
Do yourself a favor and look it up. It’s readily available on the net.
Then get back to me. Kennedy did a very very selfish EVIL thing, and a young woman died to save his career.
He is scum…….pond scum.
I don’t wish him cancer or pain, but this pig has bloviated and demogogued in the Senate for FORTY SIX FRIGGIN YEARS. Mary Jo Kopechne would be 65 now. She’s been dead for 40 years. Meanwhile back at the SCOTCH and WATER.
I don’t get some of you here! We call our selves Conservative’s and most of us claim to be Christian. Rather than point out that left-wing sites cheer when someone they don’t like has a tragedy, let’s hold ourselves to a higher standard.
I dislike Kennedy’s politics as much as anyone else here. But I still hope he gets well.
Well, I hope that the record reflects that the majority of the commenter’s here do not wish ill of Kennedy and his family. I can only assume that most people who read and comment on this site are conservatives, but there is nothing to stop a person with malicious intent to register and make comments posing as a conservative. We’ll never know.
I understand their frustrations, but it’s pretty low class to express these types of comments at this news right here. May none of their bad karma come back to them as they are wishing and joking about Ted Kennedy and his family here.
Maybe we’ll get a death bed confession of what actually happened early morning July 20, 1969? But I won’t hold my breath …
When I think of the millions of unborn children murdered in the womb thanks in part to his efforts.. Well, let’s just say that I hope that they get to judge him.
Although I disagree with everything this man has going in politics, I will pray for healing for Mr. Kennedy and peace for his family.
A novena for his soul and comfort from his illness will be said by me tonight . That’s all I can say. MY anger about him is for another day and thread.
The fact Kennedy has been in office so long is a testament to the fact our government is not working correctly. There should be no such thing as a lifetime politician. It was not meant to be that way from the beginning.
I may loathe him politically, but I wish him well, just as I would any person with a similar diagnosis.
#108
Absolutely spot on!
It all comes down to responsibility. If a person commits arson, not knowing someone is inside the building, and that person dies as a result of the fire, the arsonist has added murder to his original misdeed, although he never intended to kill anyone.
Chappaquiddick is no different. Kennedy (if rumor control has it right) decided to drive while intoxicated, an illegal act. He is ultimately responsible for anyone with him, regardless of that person’s capacity.
Having said that, no, I don’t believe Ted is evil, but my point is and was, that he is an enemy of conservative principles, and an opponent of common decency, specifically, the American way of life.
No one deserves cancer. I wish him well despite vehemently opposing his political positions.
While I vehemently disagree with Senator Kennedy on his politics, I have much sympathy for him and his family. I hope he’s able to get through this. I wouldn’t wish death upon anyone serving this country, even if I disagree with his methods.
I disagree, if only because this might imply a presumption that Michelle reads everything and a lack of action (i.e. deleting a post) does not suggest that she supports the statement.
Some here have tried to equivocate the fact that some posts have not been deleted as being the same thing as Michelle agreeing with them. That seems rather silly to me.
But, as you said, that requires a leap. There are several liberals that post regularly here, too. We engage in several debates here and Michelle couldn’t possibly agree with everything posted.
I understand what you are saying, but I also sense a mistaken notion by some (not you) that a few egregious posts reflects directly on Michelle or the rest of us here.
As wise_man pointed out to Mookie’s “predictable” post, the majority of us here tend to be rather decent to each other. Others seem to seek out the one or two examples that would support their belief that conservatives are predictably evil, rude, aggressive, or what have you.
I wouldn’t wish a brain tumor on anyone and have sympathy for those who have to deal with them. However, my thoughts and prayers go with the family of Mary Jo Kopechne whenever the name of Edward Kennedy comes up. IMO, that’s his legacy.
I’m with abstractmind on this. I don’t wish him ill but I do think he is an nasty man who needs to retire.
My “predictable” post was aimed solely at Texas Tiger, not anyone else. I don’t think conservatives are evil or rude as a whole. Not in the least.
Being born and raised in Ma.,it’s very easy for me to remember Mary-Jo.Since i’m not a left wing loon I will keep him in my prayers.
A subtle way to say “look how wonderful I am” is to point out how others are not as wonderful.
My sympathies are for those who love him and his family, but my prayers are reserved for Mary Jo Kopechne, who died a horrible, prolonged death at this man’s hands, due to his severe irresponsibility. He never paid for his actions that night. There are 2 Americas, one for those who are influential in a corrupt state, they get away with this sort of thing, and then the America that the rest of us live in, where we are held totally accountable for our actions.
I’ll pray for him, his family, and his victims. Leave it in God’s hands.
I wholeheartedly agree that the folks I know on this site should be above sniping in the current situation. I’ve had a couple of occasions where I could have walked across a room and shook his hand, but wouldn’t. I’d gladly do it now, and wish him well.
On another note (and NO mean jokes!): is there something wrong in the Senate building? This is the 3rd senator in recent years with a brain tumor. That’s 3% of the population and they are only ones I can remember.
That was the first thing I did when I heard. I prayed that he be healed, and knowing the profound changes brain tumors can make in a personality, I also prayed it would turn him into a rational conservative.
Forgive me Lord.
You know, TXVet2, it should not be our goal to be just a little bit better than our political adversaries. We should try to be as good as we can be.
On May 20th, 2008 at 2:39 pm, gridlock said:
“It is said an Eastern monarch once charged his wise men to invent him a sentence, to be ever in view, and which should be true and appropriate in all times and situations. They presented him the words: “And this, too, shall pass away.” How much it expresses! How chastening in the hour of pride! How consoling in the depths of affliction!” — Abraham Lincoln
Couldn’t have said better. Amen.
(And Rusty and other liberal defenders of the KOS and Huffpo… when Bush/Cheney/Rove dies or gets a tumor, we’ll compare this thread to that one and see just how non-equivalent and not even in the same galaxy they really are.)
Mary Jo Kopechne could not be reached for comment.
This is the same disease that took my sister and a good friend. Everyone exposed to it needs compassion and prayer support. Any moron who delights in Kennedy’s suffering needs a fist in the face.
Prayers for the woman he left to die, Mary Jo Kopechne. Ted Kennedy has already received all the breaks in the world. He got away with vehicular homicide and afterwards has spent his life showing no mercy to and villifying Republcans. I cry for the millions of aborted babies and the rest of the victims of Liberal insanity like his.
I don’t agree with his politics. Yes, he has blood on his hands, and Mary Jo Kopechne’s death was his fault. I won’t debate that in the least. But for those of us who believe in the Lord, we may hope for justice in this life and attempt to see it carried out legally. However, it isn’t on us to celebrate anyone’s death.
I don’t have sympathy for Ted Kennedy, but I wouldn’t wish this on him, either. He’ll answer to God soon enough. I refuse to become like those who celebrated the death of Ronald Reagan. There were plenty of liberals, including some of my gay friends, who honestly believed that Reagan was evil incarnate and they had a reason to be happy when he passed.
Regardless of what he’s done, none of us should stoop that low. If we’re to have people believe that our morals are better then we should behave as though they really are. I wouldn’t celebrate the death of a convicted murderer, and I won’t celebrate the death of a corrupt politician.
Mookie:
No one here cares about what you find predictable. A real tragedy is when tens of thousands die in places like China and Myanmar.
If you want to dim the lights and fire up Elton John’s “Candle in the Wind” for Teddy K., suit yourself. Just don’t forget to log off before you piss off.
My sympathy is with Mary Jo Kopechne and her family and has been from the day it happened. I’ve always wondered how the people of Mass could be so cold and callous to let him get by with that “tragic accident” and keep electing him to office year after year after year. He could have saved Mary’s life, but chose not to; he ran.He showed no respect for the President Of The United States nor for the men and women dying and being maimed fighting terrorists, so he could live the life of Reilly. I pray for his family, but he lost my respect and sympathy many years ago.
I knew that it must have been a brain tumor. Nobody throws seizures at his age (for the first time) without a tumor being high on the list of suspects. I think Ted Kennedy has been one of the most destructive agents in the history of our country but like my grandmother used to say. If you dont have anything nice to say dont say anything. So I will say nothing.
I think Miss Kopechne will be waiting on the other side with a lot of questions for him. His judgment day will come soon enough.
Sorry, Mookie. I was talking more about wise_man’s thoughts, but I see how it might have been inferred as being directed to you. No implication was intended on my part.
# 50 Christine- I am so sorry for your nephew, and will say a prayer for him. I HATE cancer!
As I said earlier, I’ll pray for Senator Kennedy. He needs it.
Let’s not kick a man while he’s down, we’ve had years and years to do that. We all know how we feel, there is no honor or purpose in beating up on Senator Kennedy now.
Our prayers are with him.
this would have been the only way he would have left politics.. is on a stretcher…
Mary Jo is now getting her rest..
We are conservatives, yes. And many of us are indeed Christians, yes. It is because we are conservatives and many are Christians that we do react to this news different than those who are not jumping on the “..I would never wish this on anyone…” bandwagon.
I am a conservative, so I’m not a hypocrite. I don’t pretend I think one thing and then say another.
I am a conservative, so I believe in moral absolutes. A bad man is still a bad man, even if he gets a disease. Bad things happening to bad men is good.
I am a conservative, so I don’t eulogize criminals. It’s another assault on their victims.
I am a Christian, so I know that God is also not warm and fuzzy all of the time. If you believe He is, you should read about Ninevah, Sodom & Gomorrah, Jericho, and Noah & the Flood.
So please, stop with the self-righteous “we should be better than this” talk.
I would feel bad for Kerry, Obama, Clinton, Pelosi, and even Jimmy Carter.
I am a conservative, so I will not feel bad for Ted Kennedy simply because he’s a politician when I wouldn’t feel bad for Sirhan Sirhan. Their crimes are different, but their victims are still just as dead.
I am a conservative, so I believe all should be held to the same standard. Period.
Do you think Mr. Kennedy will go to Cuba for his treatment?
my sympathies to the family and a prayer for the senator
Yes, we should be held to the same standard, but that does not give any of us the right to act the way the liberals did when Reagan died. We weren’t happy about that as I recall.
I’m not eulogizing anyone. My stance is simple: he’s done the crimes, he didn’t pay for it in this life, but he will answer for it in the next. That does not require a happy dance in my front yard.
Personally the guy is going to get torn to ribbons with radiation and chemotherapy; I do feel compassion in these regards. I also reflect on the people he may have hurt due to his crazy political ideologies
#140, Rev. Phelps? is that you???
*Snicker*
Nah…that’s not Fred. It’s missing the requisite “God hates America” diatribe.
I’m also praying for the all Vietnamese, Cambodian, and Laotian people that died at the hands of Communists when Kennedy’s policies forced an American military pull out.
If we must have this thread of respectful reflections on this man, they need to be honest, even while trying to avoid expression of our full range of emotions.
Rondogg, if it were merely a matter of wrongheaded policies, I would find it easier to feel some compassion for this man. But the truth is, IMO, Ted Kennedy is one of the chief villains responsible for the bilious state of our politics today. Leaving aside his personal failings and his policy errors, I can nonetheless not forgive him for being a true “lion” in the politics of personal destruction.
As a southerner, I particularly felt the sting of the ugly assaults of this man on his political opponents. He decided early in his career to wrap his badly flawed self in the righteous cause of civil rights. And he became a red-faced, thundering warrior against anyone who disagreed with him on any point, especially southerners, who were vulnerable because of the real historical guilt that we carried in our hearts over racism. Ted Kennedy chose to exploit that guilt and and spent a generation using us as his whipping boy. Good men — Robert Bork leaps to mind — were red meat for the race-baiting “lion.”
No, these things I do not forget, and I do not forgive. Not when he is healthy, not when he is sick, and no when he is dead.
TheWholeBird:
At the risk of spiraling this thread into a heady discussion on theology, I - as a conservative and Catholic - think you are flat-dead wrong. Cancer affects everyone - from the most decent to the seemingly most cruel.
In fact, in just under an hour I’m going to a memorial service for a co-worker who died of cancer - the sweetest woman you’d ever want to meet, taken from us in a matter of months.
Does God separate Himself from those who disobey Him? Yes. But God is also merciful and loving towards those who reconcile themselves to Him.
I get annoyed as hell when people use the “judge not lest ye be judged” line on issues of earthly behavior because that Biblical citation deals not with earthly but eternal judgment. In other words, we can tell someone XXX behavior is sinful, but at the end of their lives we never will fully know if they reconcile themselves to God and therefore cannot say if someone is going to heaven or hell.
For all his actions, we will ultimately never know the state of Kennedy’s soul in his final days, weeks, or months. Which is why prayer and compassion are so utterly important - our prayers and conduct may very well drive him to do whatever he needs to reconcile himself to God before death.
To act as if this is some sort of divine justice is cruel, insensitive, and does nothing to improve the reputation of Christians and conservatives.
So, please, refrain from that sort of rhetoric.
You know what? Even though I think you’re a complete asshole, that made me laugh.
I do not consider Cancer to be the judgement of God, as millions of people who did NOT commit murder against Mary Jo or anyone else have also had Cancer.
Unless reputeable prophets of God have made declamations ahead of time that God is about to strike one person or set of people in particular, and the even occurs precisely as declaimed, there is no reason to believe that God has Himself stricken Kennedy with this Cancer.
However, there is plenty of Biblical evidence of God striking evil leaders, and never were the Christians or believers laid under any obligations to pray for that leader’s sake.
Even in the Book of Acts, when it tells of an Angel of the Lord who smote Herod with worms, and Herod was eaten by the worms and died, there is nothing said that laid any burden on Christians to be remorseful for Herod’s or Kennedy’s sake, or to pray for them.
There are several cases of people suffering severely, including death, who were evil leaders, and there is never an indication that the Christians or Believers had any obligations towards them for “good thoughts” or prayers for their sake, of any kind.
The only other admonition to pray for the leaders of a nation is in direct connection to the direction the nation is going.
Obviously, the General Thinking is that a Christian is going to “do what is right” - but that is far from the truth, in the Bible or out of it.
This man is a murderer who went totally unpunished, and marked the beginning of the worst injustices in the American courts of our entire history.
I pray that whatever else happens, this marks the end of his political career and power and influence in our government, and that no one rise up to replace him in like manner of evil doing, as his “heir” to power.
As to anything else that befalls him in that process, may it match the condition of his own heart’s attitude.
When people here say we have a Christian obligation to pray for him and his family, for his healing and his state of his soul with God, I would remind them that they are saying that the prophets of the Lord who agreed with God and prophesied against the evil leaders of their day, were not “Christian”.
I’ll stick with the prohets, who had signs and wonders confirming that they were from the Lord God.
NOTHING in any passage that prophesied or told of the deaths of the evil leaders put any burden on the Christians to be remorseful about the events against the evil leaders, other than to admonish them to not rejoice with gloating and arrogance, lest God halt that evil day on the evil people, and put that same event upon the ones who were arrogantly gloating.
Nothing IMPLIES such an obligation on Christians.
In fact, I would admonish those who are telling us that we have some obligation to pray for him should remember that the Christian Principle is the God Declaration of Harvest.
Although I’m not a big fan of Norman Cousins…..he did once say:
perhaps over the years….Teddy has unwittingly fashioned this consequence.
#140 I think the issue here is not whether or not you beleive he should be given sympathies, but whether or not it is appropriate to make comments that some (mookie and others) may consider mean spirited, when the main post asks you to keep Sen. Kennedy and his family in your prayers and put politics aside. I would think not.
I don’t meant to lecture on the content, but rather the forum, as I do not feel that such schadenfreude is appropriate now.