Kennedy diagnosed with brain tumor
Put aside your political differences and join me in keeping Sen. Ted Kennedy and his family in your prayers as they grapple with the news of his malignant brain tumor diagnosis.
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There is nothing dicey about this - the Lord Jesus has ONE SOLUTION for ALL sin, comparative or otherwise - CURE IT AND STOP IT!
No excuses and no TOLERANCE and no condescending arrogance, and mollycoddling of it.
IF you repent, here is your healing and forgiveness, NOW STOP SINNING!
PERIOD.
Remember the man who couldn’t leave his bed, and the four friends brought him on his bed and took out a piece of the roof and lowered him down - JESUS HEALED HIM but pronounced that ALSO TO BE FORGIVENESS - but He always found such and reproved them, and said “GO AND SIN NO MORE!”
Paul spends half the rest of the Book of 2 Corinthians explaining there is no apology to make for the ADMONISHMENT to STOP SINNING, even though he ws sorry for their pain, HE WAS NOT SORRY FOR CAUSING IT OVER THE NEED TO SET THEM STRAIGHT, and he then began to “buck them up” to be serious contenders for the Faith, and for right standing before the Lord, and not caving to the thinking of the World.
He told them when the man repented to be loving towards him and not to keep throwing his sins up in his face!
BUT THAT WAS AFTER THE MAN REPENTED AND NOT BEFORE!
Kennedy has been admonished both privately and publicly COUNTLESS times AND HAS NEVER REPENTED - not in a manner that has CHANGED HIS WAYS or caused ANY public show of remorse.
And God says a “repentance” that does NOT INCLUDE a REVERSAL OF ONE’S WAYS wioth a CONTRITE HEART, is NOT a true repentance.
If there is one thing that Teddy has made very public, it is that he has suffered NO CHANGE in any of his ways! That would be public even if his repentance was PRIVATE - we would have seen a change in his behavior.
If you want to see what that looks like in a man, then I recommend several to you, like Todd Bentley - former Hells Angel and drug addict, now a minister of the Word; James Robison (who didn’t give into the lifestyle but made a public confession of sins of the heart in these same areas, and the change in his life and his ministry was instant and tremendous, about 20 years ago - STAGGERING, in fact) Stephen Baldwin.
Sting the Wrestler, and Sean Michaels the Wrestler. Get their testimonies.
Several members of the Dallas Cowboys from about 10 years ago, thereabouts. Some of those guys have gone into the ministry and are still standing strong to contend for the Faith.
I’m just saying, it doesn’t mean Ted had to come out and make confessions to US in AMerica, if he had ever repented, it would be something someone of his caliber COULD NOT HIDE if he wanted to!
So I am NOT “making a judgement” about him - it is simply a fact - he is the same as the man in Corinthians that St. Paul turned over to Satan for the destrucvtion of his flesh, FOR THE SALVATION OF HIS SOUL, that he might REPENT of his sins.
Now - you think about the ALTERNATIVE.
AS A CHRISTIAN, you reject the Bible’s admonitions of DEALING WITH KNOWN OPEN SIN in a “BROTHER”;s life - and say you care for him, knowing that if he doesn’t get his life in order WITH GOD, that what he is suffering with Cancer is going to be a TEA PARTY compared to HELL.
By the way, there is a strong rash of outbreak of PUBLISHED TESTIMONIES, this last few years, of folks who have seen Heaven and Hell, and come back to tell us all about it.
One is “23 Minutes in Hell”, and another is “90 Minutes in Heaven”
And John Osteen - father of Joel Osteen, is one of them, who saw Hell first as an UNSAVED MAN with Christian mother and aunts praying for him through an illness in which he died and their prayers brought him back. Now he has indeed passed on, but he documented his own story and many others before he did so.
He was desperate for people to know, there is a Heaven to Gain and a Hell to SHUN!
How KIND would it be to mollycoddle Kennedy through CANCER straight into HELL, in your “COMPASSION”???
With friends like THAT, who needs enemies???
While will you make EXCUSES for SIN or for NOT CONFRONTING someone you SAY you care for, about sin, sin that takes one to HELL, instead of admonishing them to get their life RIGHT with God, through the SIMPLE process of applying the Blood of the Lamb of God to our sins, and be done with them, once and for all - IF we come to Him in genuine REPENTANCE!
“COMPARISON SINNING” ???????????
WHY BOTHER when the SAME BLOOD OF THE LAMB is the CURE FOR ALL and WASHES WHITE AS SNOW!
The well-known saying goes “there are no atheists in foxholes”. I amend that to those also at death’s door.
Jesus loved Ted Kennedy centuries, millenia, before Ted existed, and died for his sins. Jesus loves all of us regardless of what our past has been, good, bad & ugly. Regardless that we disagree with most of what Ted has said and done, now is not the time for criticism or religion. It’s a time for compassion for him and his family. Whether you think they deserve it or not. Our words indicate what is in our hearts…
I bid God’s Speed and healing power to him and his family.
It is very interesting to read these comments. I will feel as sorry for Ted Kennedy as I would any other stranger because that is all he is to me. I think he has been a disgrace as a politician and I think it is very sad that a man that has so consistently been wrong for this country has stayed in the senate for so long. That speaks more of our political system than of Kennedy himself.
All that being said does anyone remember the comments he made about oue military after the Abu Grhaib debacle? Wasn’t something about rape rooms?
err.. getting a bit excited aren’t we?
yelling is kinda rude, particularly if it’s the same thing over and over..
Ombre Rose:
I’ll also pray for you…
Ombre Rose said:
“On May 20th, 2008 at 7:59 pm, purplepeep said:
…
Just a thought that engaging in “comparison sinning” might be a dicey proposition.”
Hi Rose,
Well, one of the things that’s important in ubderstanding any Bble verse(s) is the concept of “context”.
You cited parts of a chapter or two from Corinthians, one of the local churches during Paul’s time - and it was a really mess-up bunch. They got just about everything wrong.
But the context is not about how the general piblic or politicianss conducted their lives and what to do about that.
The context, what Paul was writing about, is how one local church should handle an internal matter. That is, it addresses church discipline only and nothing else.
Keeoing that in mind, if Senator Kennedy is a member of the local church that you attend, you might have a basis for some kind of complaint. However, in that case,there is a thematic biblical consistency
on how to go about “restoration” - which is the goal, not bashing the brother/sister who strayed. Jesus gave the the basic guidelines in Matthew, chapter 18.
Now, if you’re breaking communion bread with Ted Kennedy each week the biblical model prescribes you to take your
concerns to the minister/elders/pastor or whomever has responibility for donrch discipline.
If Senator Kennedy is not sitting in your churches’ pews, you obviously
can’t apply those snippets from the bible.
If you do not believe Sen. Kennedy is an actual Christian, then the bible doesn’t apply at all. The section you mentioned, stresses that fact:
“1 Corinthians 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? NIV: What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?”
I’ll hope he gets well, realizes how wrong he has been on so many issues and retires immediately thereafter, or switches parties. My best to his family in this difficult time.
If he returns to the Senate on the left side, I’ll continue to berate him and his idiotic policies.
I hope that is kind enough to pass Michelle muster.
Amen to many of the kind posts here, especially Chesapeaekegal #234.
I pray for his soul as I do for others, which is the most important. I pray that he repents before he dies. We are all sinners. I could never say anything different. It is sad in anyone’s life to go through it and not know our Lord, I hope he and his family does. Now is the time for him to turn to God before it’s too late.
englishqueen01, #306, indeed. I agree and do also…
On this side of The Cross, God’s Word was never intended to be a bludgeoning tool…
Jesus told of the two men who stood praying. The second hung his head, beat his chest and cried “God, be merciful to me, a sinner…”. Jesus said that man was justified…that is a VERY telling story. Especially in light of some of the comments about Ted…
God have mercy on all of us…
And He does, in spite of us…
Baldwins and professional wrestlers.
Yup. I’ve officially seen it all.
What the hell is Sean Michaels doing in the WWE if he’s such a good Christian? They make Hollywood look like a convent.
Wait, it’s Shawn Michaels, isn’t it?
Y’know, I have no idea why anybody watches that stuff.
Usd to be some local rasslin’ on the telly when I was kid. Sometimes that was fun/funny to watch. I think todya’s stuff wwe,wwf or whatever the names are, all pretty much interchangable with Hollywood. Except the “pro-Wrestling” production values are even cheaper,lol.
Ombre Rose, I think it’s extremely inappropriate to be dissecting Mr. Kennedys’ relationship with God on this thread and debating his fitness to enter into Gods’ presence (as if you could possibly know what is in anyones’ head and heart, aside from your own).
You seem like an extremely rigid, arrogant, and judgemental fundamentalist to me, severely lacking in both compassion and humility… two qualities that God requires.
You might take a long look in the mirror before you criticize Mr. Kennedy further, and remember that you are also a sinner.
I admitted on my own websitet hat I do not agree with much of what Senator Kennedy has said, done, introduced as legislation, nor where his stances are. That said, I would never, ever have wished anyhting like this on Senator Kennedy. Cancer is a horrible, deadly, awful disease that takes the strength right out of you, and an inoperable brain tumor is even worse. My uncle died from three of them, and a man that I knew as a beastly strong, physicaly huge, with a great, booming voice, and arms like tree trunks was reduced in a few months to a deathly thin, weary, quiet man who was able to walk and talk, but not a lot else.
Now I do not care what Sen. Kenedy has said, done, or what legislation he has opposed nor supported that has hurt our troops, or even has gotten some of them killed, both now and in the past. God will judge him for that, if he hasn’t made his peace; I will not. I pray for his well-being, his healing, and his 100% recovery. I hope for nothing but the best for him, his family, and do hope that tomorrow or whenever they do another biopsy and brain-scan, that they will be amazed in that there is nothing there, his cancer gone forever. And I pray this in Jesus’ Precious name…..
I think you have to feel a little compassion for the poor guy, they might have to do some major stuff to fix that tumor and the odds are he’ll be alive 2 1/2 years.
I don’t want to seem like I’m picking on any of the “Roses” in these parts, I-Rose, but I agree that it’s a dicey thing to take up.
I suspect if we spent a thread on each one of us, dissecting our sins, our wromgs, and our fitness to stand before the Almighty and opened it up to the world to comment on, we’d have some mighty long threads to deal with!
(You’d need at least a dozen just to start to cover me, lol)
#274 Ombre Rose
Honestly, if I want a sermon I’ll go to church for it. This blog is not your personal pulpit.
And, this discussion thread is not about you.
Your frothy, spittle-laced sermonizing about Mr. Kennedys’ sins and the state of his mortal soul is inappropriate and embarassing, and it relects poorly on our hostess.
The man is dying, for heavens’ sake. If you can’t say anything kind, Ombre, then for the love of God don’t say ANYTHING.
Again, my thoughts and prayers going out tonight to the Kennedy family, particularly his wife and children. It’s brutal to watch someone that you love, have to go through something horrific like this.
It looks like Teddy pulled one over on me!
I dropped in at Saint Thomas More (patron saint of lawyers) Church to light a candle for Teddy. No sooner had I knelt down to pray for Teddy’s soul when St. Thomas himself appeared to me. He said that in performing due diligence he discovered the title for Ted’s soul had been transfered to Satan (Prince of Darkness, not the New York Islanders’ Miroslav Satan) in 1969. Further, any prayers for Teddy’s soul would become Satan’s property! Can you believe it!?!
So instead of praying for Teddy’s soul, I had to pray for his health and his family.
True story.
Bless you for praying for his family.
While I disagree with his politics, I do with him well. God will be the judge of his actiona and politics in the end.
I agree 100%, he did not separate himself from politics, that was his life and be damned the conservatives, that was him. I don’t understand. is this all a game…someone becomes sick and all that they tried to do to ruin and change this wonderful country goes unnoticed. I’m sure I’ll be looked down here also abstract, but that;’s the way i see it…it is the way of life, we fight it everyday. This man is a killer and should have paid the price yrs ago, why do you think he’s called the swimmer?
I’ll probably get banned for offering my true feelings.
Teddy,
As of today, you are no longer a cursed political adversary but another son of Ireland who enjoys a nice refreshment now and then, and in between.
Godspeed
AGH
You could always just leave on your own accord.
wise-ass,
not in your life time.
Then why stay here when you obviously don’t like the climate here?
I love it.
Mr. Kennedy and much of his family have dedicated their entire lives in serving the United States and ultimately trying to make this a better place for all of us.
There are and will be differences, but in the end, he is our American family and we wish him the best.
God Speed, Senator.
I gave up after comment #110 or so.
I understand the reflex of those devout enough to extend their prayers and sympathies to Edward Kennedy and his family. For my part, I think that prayers are a finite resource, and in my opinion there are far too many people out there deserving of such attention to have it squandered on a scoundrel like Senator Kennedy. Is brain cancer a bad break? Absolutely. But you know what? He doesn’t make my list tonight.
I must agree with “jkstewart2″ then add Cubans. Everything Ted Kennedy did in his life was accomplished through lying, and cheating. He drove his ex-wife out of her mind. I wish there was something good I could say about that man.
I have to say that I am dissapointed in some of the attitudes displayed here today. There is no doubt that most of us blogging tonight find Kennedy’s politics abhorrent, and that he has made some horrible decisions that affect this country. But the whole point of Michelle’s post was to stop politics for just moment.
The man has a brain tumor. Just stop for a minute and let that sink in. God didn’t give him the tumor because of his political views; rather, God allowed life to proceed as it will. I for one will still pray for him and his family. People much worse than him have called upon God in an hour of need and been sincere. And even if he doesn’t, lets give his family the benefit of our prayers.
Oh, and by the way, ARPJCPA; your prayers may be finite, but the last time I checked by bible, prayers for most of us, as well as God’s mercy, don’t have a shut off valve.
Great post IR…it literally cannot be stated any better than that.
Oh, and btw OmbreRose, you are a seriously troubled human being. Get some help…now.
One more thing. If we are going to hold ourselves to a higher standard(I mean conservatives) to prove there is a difference, shouldn’t it start here, in the simple act of praying for a man? Or at least listen to what your mother said, “If you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all.”
“I’ll probably get banned for offering my true feelings.”
Heh, that’s a 3-pointer.
I do feel sorry for those who take joy at the news of a person with incurable cancer. But many times such thinking is tempered as one gets a bit more experienced in life.
My gut says: Kick the guy while he is down.
My heart says: Not today.
May God give his family the courage and strength to face the difficult times.
My father died of 3 malignant brain tumors. God was merciful and he didn’t suffer long. May Ted Kennedy know the love that Dad felt during his last weeks of life, with his family around him enjoying memories of laughter and joy, and may he also be spared the agony of a long goodbye.
In Jesus’ name,
Amen
We all depend on God’s mercy and forgiveness. God loves Ted Kennedy just like he loves everyone of us. May God comfort Ted and his family.
I will not join those who wish him well. After his unrepentant communications with Soviet leaders to work with them on formulating a method to undermine Ronald Reagan and the U.S. government at that time, and his collusion to support the Ortegas and communist Nicaragua, this is more than ample proof of his devotion to the enemies of freedom. Kennedy will receive no sympathy from me.
I think it is sad, that even if they wanted to, no school children will be able to pray for his recovery.
+1 goes to #340.
No, rightisright, it doesn’t go unnoticed, but there is something called “tact” that teaches people when to to say what is “noticed” and what is “compassionate”. There is somethign called human compassion that reaches out past a person’s sins (and I like what someone else said: If my rap sheet against the Savior was displayed, there’d be more than 300 posts against me) and prays for him or her. More in reality, it is a Christian thing to do: love your enemies; vengeance is the Lord’s; when someone chocks you across one cheek, tuern to him the other; do good to those who persecute you. See? It’s a pattern, and those of us on here who are praying for Senator Kennedy are choosing to look past his warts, his horrid decisions and votes, and pray for him because, even when the Lord Jesus Himself was being killedo na cruel, Roman Cross, he forgave the Pharisees who had him done in. This is not a sermon, but a reminder, and a request toyou and others who make the choice to revel in Senator Kennedy’s misfortune: rise above, be bigger, and at least show some humanly compassion, for, as the saying goes:
“What goes around comes around.”
And another:
“Rejoice not over the demise of the sinner, for the Lord will wsee it, and turn away from his wrath, and punish you, instead…”
Dave C. - Remind me to stand out of the way when the arrow of God’s judgment comes upon you….
So I guess Rusty and Mookie giving this guy accolades isn’t a lie? Rusty saying that he can’t reconcile politics without Kennedy (which is sad given the state of our government and political environment). Or McCain saying Kennedy is a lion of the Senate which is a disservice to a magnificent creature.
I think it interesting that people are praying for Kennedy for a variety of reasons a) let’s pray for the guy because he “needs” it b) let’s pray for a guy even though he’s done some attrocious things, c) let’s criticize those of us (me I guess) who draw from perspective and see this guy for what he is.
I also think it quite ironic that you use Michelle’s advisement to “put politics aside” yet she doesn’t have the same reservation about McCain. Her political guns have been blazing for the guy for months, and even though he’s a colleague of Kennedy’s, where’s her discretion and respect for McCain. Really… if Michelle is a Christian then how is making allowances for one bad character not the same as politically attacking McCain. Please show me the distinction. I’d be curious as to the kind of tact being used.
One more thing: my heart goes out to those private citizens, without Kennedy’s inherited fame and fortune, afflicted by cancer. I will not lie before God and say something I neither feel nor mean. That would be wrong. I’m sure the Christians on this board can understand that.
Add treason to the long list of Kennedy’s accomplishments.
No, emjem24; as a Christian, I do not affirm your self-righteous comment, “I will not lie before God and say something I neither feel nor mean”. Do not exchange the truth for that lie, which lie is that God accepts your hatred of Kennedy. Jesus commands us to love our enemies and pray for those who persecute us.
You’re behaving in a manner opposite to Christ’s command.
In my opinion, the hardest thing Jesus mandated us to do is pray for our enemies and for those who despise us.
As Sen. Kennedy faces his mortality, hopefully he will repent for his despicably ferocious support for abortion at any stage. I feel bad he’s going through this and sincerely hope God softens his heart so he can seek forgiveness and peace.
Save your prayers for the living. Not knowing the condition of her heart, I’ll go out on a limb and say Mary Jo was comforted 40 years ago, and continues to be even as we speak.
Scripture says God can and will use three things to get someone’s attention: weakness, sickness and death. Because in all three states you are flat of your back and looking Heavenward. Our prayers should not be so much for Kennedy’s physical healing (although it is appropriate) but for his spiritual healing as well.
Like many others on this thread, I’m 180 degrees out of phase with Kennedy, but having had an uncle with a brain tumor, I dont wish it on anyone.
Maybe God will use his illness to bring him home.
As far as Kennedy being unrepentant, we have no idea what’s going through his heart right now. Those who know Christ may be surprised to see Ted on the other side.
If Herman Goering had liver cancer, should anyone have been sympathetic? No.
We should have no sympathy for someone who has devoted their life to destroying freedom, liberty, and capitalism. Ted Kennedy deserves this horrible fate, not our pity. If you’re going to pity and lament him, do so after he’s dead and can do us no further harm.
So Ted Rall is now our role model? No thanks! My best wishes to Senator Kennedy and his family.
If that comment was directed at me, when did the climate enter this thread?
Jason L., you need to read the posting a little closer, if you do you’ll see, you tied abstract’s comment with mine making it look as tho one of us said it all.
I almost find it amusing on this thread if someone makes a negative comment about T. Kennedy who has a health condition so many of you jump to his defense as if he was some kind of a saint. The man was trying to undermine America since what 1964…let’s be honest here. For you self righteous posters that want to condemn myself and abstract and a few otheres…we did not jump for joy at his illness, only stated our indifference to his life as a foe to freedom in America. You didn’t see that, you just wanted to jump on us for your own self righteous religious reasons.
Your all entitled to your opinions and religious beliefs on the subject, but why the anger with those that don’t see eye to eye with you on such a subject…looks like your just looking for a fight. Your remarks make this look like huffington or kos…maybe the right isn’t so tolerant…or should i say the “far right”?
valleygreaser, the similarity of words do not make any of us Ted Rall. And I knew Ronald Reagan. Ted Kennedy is NO Ronald Reagan!
hey teddy, be sure to tell Mary Jo hi if you happen to run into her.
Expessing well-wishes or prayer for the terminally ill is “defending” nowadays?
Basic human civility and showing respect for Michelle is “religious self righteousness”, nowadays?
If so, some things have not changed for the better in America as I remember it.
If someone were truly indifferent they would have nothing to say. They’d glance at the headline, ignore it and go on to the weather or comics.
It sounds as if you and whomever you’re responding have your signals crossed, not knowing who’s saying what to whom. That’s a sure recipe for confusion, misunderstanding and emotional outbursts.
But I can answer re: your question of “what’s the climate?” -
Michelle, at top, enjoined us:
“Put aside your political differences and join me in keeping Sen. Ted Kennedy and his family in your prayers as they grapple with the news of his malignant brain tumor diagnosis.”
I’m not inclined much towards the concept of “climate change”.
I am a big fan of reciprocation. I’m not saying that I can’t forgive transgressions at all. I am a compassionate person and I understand that all people make mistakes, and to immediately react severely to any little slight in the name of reciprocation would present severe problems. However, once a pattern becomes obvious, things change. Ted Kennedy has been consistent in his flagrant disregard for truth and the founding principles of this country. He is not someone who just has a different opinion, he has used his position of power to help spread seditious lies about this country, and he knew damn well what he was doing. And let’s not forget Chappaquiddick either.
In my understanding, the first step to forgiveness is repentance. Ted Kennedy has never made any attempt to apologize or atone for his wrongs. I have no obligation to feel sorry for a man who shows flagrant disregard for my freedoms. Sure I am sorry he turned out the way he did, and I wish there was something that could be done to change his ways, but realistically I don’t see such a thing happening.
That’s why I am glad his days are coming to an end. He is a man who has been involved in inflicting great evil upon others, and if death is what it takes to end his reign than so be it. I celebrate positive developments in any form. This is not to say that I would advocate murdering him or other domestic political figures. To do so would be an attack on our system of law and civility, and to excuse a person who did so would be to embrace chaos, a path which would ultimately lead to great suffering. Still, it does not mean I should not be able to take pleasure in knowing that an evil man’s reign is coming to an end, and acknowledge that on some level justice is being served.
I think some here misunderstand: the concerns many of us have transcend politics. Whereas there is no similarity between us and Ted Rall or the KosKooks, Teddy and his colleagues share a deep affinity with Uncles Joe, Fidel, and Mao, and that by their own admission.
And the death of Joseph Stalin may not have meant freedom for many. But I daresay millions of Ukrainians were deeply relieved.
Hi emjem -
A couple of things, em.
I believe if you check what you wrote, you asked about “we”. That’s not quite exactly specific and “we” includes the person who employs the term.
Now. when you are specific, you alluded to thoughts that read: “Senator Kennedy has been my representative for my entire life. This news is terrible and, frankly, weird. It’s weird thinking of politics without him.” and “He’s a political lion. I can’t imagine Massachusetts politics without him.”.
I don’t read anybody pushing falsehoods there at all. I’d be surprised if most of Kennedy’s fellow Senators, including Republicans did not have similar sentiment. (You can check to see if they, including the most conservative, are expressing contrary thoughts.)
And I don’t begrudge Democrats their sadness in situations such as this.
There were those who were angry there were folks who were praying for and sending well wishes to former President Reagan as he struggled with the illness that took his life. It was unfathomable to them as this is to you, I suppose it all balances out somehow.
Em, you dropped an apple into a truckload of oranges there. Hopefully John McCain will live a long and healthy life, but should a like tragedy befall him you can rest assured Michelle will be enjoining well wishes and prayers for him.
If you look over to the right - if this page displays the same to you - you’ll find the most recent entries where Michelle has taken on Ted Kennedy. If you use her site search, you’ll find even more. I think if anyone feels the urgent need to criticize or denounce the man and/or his politics at this time of tragedy there are a good number of threads where it might fit in just fine.
For those who feel an urge to gloat or celebrate over such a tragic illness, there’s no right place. At least not in these parts.
(That’s not aimed your way, em; there have been others who just leave crude & idiotic droppings that others have to clean up.)
Regardless of how I feel about his political leanings or personal foibles, I understand that Sen. Kennedy is an icon. A representation of the era of my parents and my childhood. Just the word “Kennedy” strikes a resonance with all Americans. I wish him all the best and offer my prayers and thoughts to his family.
Rightisright is correct, please dont confuse our statements.
And you can keep the religious diatribe, i neither subscribe nor believe in your faith. I stick to the facts. Thanks.
I would also point out that i do not “revel” in this man’s misfortune. As i posted above, death is a solumn business. I wont be dancing upon his grave, or celebrating when he shuffles off the mortal coil.
I simply refuse to give praise, nor condolences, to a man whose direct actions and inactions led to the death of an innocent. Again, posted above for your reflection.
Adyer said it best:
I am far from a heartless monster. And i’m sorry his family has to deal with this issue. But I feel nothing for a man who has the blood of an innocent person on his hands. If he feels the need to repent or find god, then that’s his business, and so be it. As I said, I simply don’t have the energy or desire to give accolades to someone who is undeserving. As previously stated, he’s had a full and robust life. Mary Jo, on the other hand, was denied such an opportunity and was instead given a watery grave.
Take that as you wish. If you want to preach at me, you can do so, but it wont change this mans actions, much less my mind on the subject. And as always, its simply my 2 cents on the matter.
Do you subscribe to common human civility and a sense of propriety, AbMind? Not a dig, just a question.
purple,
Question taken as its given, and i’m happy to answer.
I do, most certainly. I’ve been civil to people here often times, even in the midst of heated arguments. I don’t go off half cocked on people, or spew hatred off on people, even if i think they deserve it. I’ve been here long enough to demonstrate as much, i think, though my tenure here isn’t as robust as some others. Not perfect, by any means, but I at least try to be intelligent in postings.
I would, for example, point out that my heartfelt wishes and condolences go out for our troops such as Cpl. Cooper. He certainly, as far as i’m concerned, deserves and earned every ounce of remorse we can muster, and then some. We owe him and his family a debt we can never repay. And so many others that deserve our respect and decency because of the honor they bring themselves, military or not. The examples there are extensive, and we’d waste all day repeating them ad nauseum.
I just do not believe it is deserved in his (Kennedy) case. I’m not spitting in his face as some have here. But I do reserve the right to withhold compassion and give it to those I think deserve it more than Mr. Kennedy. If he choses to reconcile himself before his passing, then thats fine, and may the afterlife receive him kindly. But i’ll save my thoughts and concerns for others, like Cpl. Cooper, of whom I believe their bravery and sacrifice warrent my more positive responses.
Thanks, but no thanks, rightisright: I’d rather not read your quote again, because I’ve already been sickened enough by the heartlessness of yours and others’ quotes, those who, yes, are reveling in Senator Kennedy’s misfortunes. RightisRight, abstract, and others level the accusing finger at us who are simply showing basic, human compassion for a man who is about to meet his Maker in a dreadful way, and we get retorts describing us in the same sentence as “Daily Kos”, “Huffington Post”, et. al. Thanks for that final slap in the face, and remind me to not listen to nor read the posts of the likes of your ilk, rightisright, whenever you post something again in here in the future. Yours and abstracts quotes on Senator Kennedy’s misfortunes are lessons in how not to speak to people facing calamity.
No confusion. Abstract, you and RightisRight could be one and the same person. Conservativism without Jesus Christ is just shrill, uneducated blather no different than that of a liberal….
Ah, but your statements give the lie to your words here. You may say that death is solemn business, but by your owrds above you imply that you couldn’t be happier that this calamity has come upon him. Nice try anyway…
So you have never done anything, abstract, to hurt another person in your entire life? You have never, ever caused pain upon another for whatever reason willingly and without a hint of remorse at the time you were doing it? Tell me you never have, and I’ll call you a liar to your face. Until you have lived a perfect, sinless life, you have no right nor no position to cast such judgment upon Senator Kennedy.
I like how those who are on the receiving in of sage advice and sound wisdom always call it “being preached at…”
Praise God, that if we have the blood of Jesus Christ on us, He won’t remember our “Chappaquiddicks”. This whole quote makes me wonder how much of whose blood ADyer and others would require for the covering and forgiveness of sins were ADyer in God’s place (thankfully, ADyer is not). That being said, yes, Ted Kennedy has doen a lot of damage to the US of A….but is this really the time to be bringing it up??? Have we Americans forgotten what tact is all about?
How do you know he hasn’t? And who are you to judge whether or not Senator Kennedy has made his peace with God or not? How do you know that Sen. Kennedy hasn’t taken to time to dfall to his knees before the living God and ask for forgiveness and done repentance? How do you, ADyer, and how can you sit in such a judgment seat and declare to know the intent and dealings of Senator Kennedy’s heart and stance before God?
Well forgive me if I choose to weep at the news of the terrible calamity of this man. Forgive me if I choose to fall to my knees and beg God’s healiing over him during this hour of his life when he is dealign with arguably the most dreaded disease in all of history, and has such a grim oputcome. Forgive me if I choose to lay my hopes and prayers in the bosom of Jesus Christ that this man will be spared the horror of having to go through such a dreaded thing as brain cancer. Forgive me, ADyer, if I choose to weep at calamity — personal or otherwise, deserved or otherwise — when it comes. May people not say the same thing about you, ADyer, when it is your time to “pay the piper” and exit this Earth and this life….
Jason L,
I’m not sure how you drew those conclusions, but let me shatter some delusions you have, just once.
Watch, and be informed.
I hardly leveled anything of the sort. in your narrow view, perhaps someone did, but I’ve never described in these post that comparison. Patently false.
We’re not the same person, of that i’m sure. but saying conservatism without your religious overviews makes us liberal is, well…just really stupid. I’m convinced you believe your own garbage, but i dont find anything i’ve said here “shrill” or “liberal”. More patently false diatribes. I’ve defended views here, even religious ones, when i believe them to be correct. But you wouldnt care, even if thats the case. You’re stuck on the beliefs I don’t hold, upset that i dont subscribe to your world view, and let that facts get in the way of your personal judgment in regards to others. I talk about religion with 30 pcs, and her and i have good discussions. I dont believe she would find me “shrill” or “liberal”.
I’m just going to go with the fact you didn’t read a word of that and comprehend it, even as plain as it gets. I’m not happy he’s going to die. I said no such thing. Again, twisting it to suit your diatribe, which is patently false AND obsurd. The calamity and ill will people are throwing at him is by his own actions. I choose not to wish him well. I didn’t condemn him either. Again, thanks for not reading the post.
Other than the fact this doesn’t even line up with what you were quoting, I would submit that people here have no idea, with relative clarity, who or what is sitting in front of the keyboard typing here. Am I innocent? Of course not, nor did i ever imply i was, or would ever be at any future time. Did i cast judgment on Kennedy? No, and its laid plainly above. It is not my place to judge his actions in the afterlife. Let whatever lies there do so. You’re confusing, purposely, my lack of well wishing for condemnation, which plainly doesnt fit from what i posted. More patently false hatred from you. But I do have every right to point out the blood on his hands. I have every right, as granted to me by the laws of our land and by the rules that govern my life (which again, while not perfect, i attempt to live a decent, principled existance) give me perfect license to say whatever the hell I want. I didn’t slam this man. I didnt condemn this man. I simply said i couldnt wish someone well who was, for simplistic description, a murderer. And that’s all there is to it. I would call this rant you’ve gone on as far from “sage advice” as it gets. You’ve offered nothing constructive in the arena of advice, and thus claiming so makes you only more ridiculous than you already are proving to be. I’m sorry, but you’re giving me little room to do anything other than put this in its place.
Jason, if you wish to pray, please do so. I think it is your right, and you are free to do so. I would give you credit for taking pity on this man. If you choose to extend your mercy, or wish the mercy of your god on him, then that is by all means acceptable, and respectable that you would take that path. I simply am saying I choose to take the neutral path, and let Fate deal with him as it sees fit.
but the tirade you gave me, and to ADyer as well, is all about your personal religious beliefs, which you’re trying (in my opinion) to ram down our throats. Did you ever think it was people such as yourself, who throw this “fire and brimstone” approach out, that you turn off more people than draw in as a result? Your critical postings are based on your personal beliefs, and thats fine. But i find your postings over the top, condescending to people who don’t share your view in a rather rude manner, and for someone who, as i’ve aptly pointed out, hasn’t read or comprehended a thing properly that you’ve ranted about so far.
When you can give me something of substance, i’d be happy to discuss this. But thus far, your “well, jesus is the answer and if you dont believe, you’re a liberal moron and you’re not as good as me” diatribe has only served to show I am right. About a great many things.
it’s just an opinion anyway. you’ve done nothing to change my mind. You have, however, hardened my resolve that people such as yourself will take the religious highroad any time you dont want to accept someone else’s different views. And that’s not very christian, now is it? Does not the god you believe in want everyone to accept his word? does not a soft answer turneth away wrath? You don’t do your faith credit by beating nonbelievers over the head, nor does your answer turn away wrath, but invite it promptly.
I don’t wish to discuss this further. I’ve been plain.
May this find you well, Jason. I don’t wish ill on you either, though our views are very distinct. Take this with a grain of salt. But please be more polite in the future. You draw more with honey than you will with vinegar.
I would point out your blatant lack of tact as another example of my rather long post.
Is this the time? Perhaps. Best to take care of things now while the man has life in him, than to do so after. Perhaps bringing his issues to light will hasten a possible form of repentence.
And i’ll leave it at that.
God forgives sins in return for faith, humility, and an honest attempt to do better in the future. I am not God, so I have no obligation to absolve people of their sins, though I certainly am willing to forgive those who make an honest attempt to be better people. However as we are, again, not God, we have to be somewhat pragmatic so that we may live in a society somewhat closer to the heavenly ideal.
This is where reciprocity comes in. If we treat bad people the same way we treat good people, we just encourage misbehavior and discourage morality. What this means is that by taking forgiveness to its extreme limit, we actually cause discord and unhappiness. If you treat a guy like Kennedy with the same respect and outpouring of goodwill as you would a soldier who dies heroically in combat, you are doing the world a disservice and trivializing the acts of the truly selfless.
Essentially, I place the the idea that we must personally completely forgive those who never asked for it in the same bag as the idea that waging war is always un-Christian. In other words, a misunderstanding about what Jesus was actually teaching. The problem with the “perfect” Christian ideal is that we live in a world with many people who are far from that ideal. If we, for example, were total pacifists, we would be surrendering to barbarism. Basically, so long as there are people who pay no heed to the values that Jesus taught, the rest of us will sometimes be forced to stray from that ideal in order to defend ourselves in an imperfect world. How far to go, and how to countenance pragmatism with moral perfection is where faith and wisdom come into play.
You and I, Vicky, tend to disagree quite vociferously about religion, along with other issues. Your fundamentalist perspective is a reason why I’m not a devout Christian like you. I believe in God, but I tend to think that Christ will understand if I refuse to lie by praying for someone who has consistently disrespected the military. I thought lying before God was a sin too. I guess you’re applying your own set of rules, hmmm? What would be your take if my husband, a Catholic, told you that Catholicism was the only true faith? Would you be as forgiving? Or if a Muslim was to say that Christians are infidels?
Where was the word hate mentioned in any of my posts? I think you’re digging a little too deep, given that I don’t think overly much on people like Kennedy. I don’t hate him, but I don’t need to “pray” for him to show my humility or humanity.
If you’re also commanding that I love my enemies, would you include terrorists as well? C’mon, Vicki, get real. If this were the case, I would have said a prayer for the murderous bastards who killed my two college buddies in the North Tower on 9/11. Or the murderous bastards who laid an IED that killed my friend’s Army husband 3 years ago.
Please stop telling me who to pray for. I don’t need to pray to demonstrate empathy. I’ll leave that to you.
One more thing: if you want me to pray for my “enemy” what’s your feeling about a dying, abusive grandfather who caused my mother’s misery for most of her life? You think I should do that too? Would I then get into heaven?
God accepts all people…. and not all of them are kissing TK’s ass for eternal glory. I’ll leave that self-righteous task to more deserving Christians like you.
Then what about those conservatives who are agnostic or atheist? What about the Conservatives, like me, who aren’t fundamentalist Christians? What about Catholics, or Muslims, or Jews? Conservativism encompasses many religions, Jason. I think you need to reexamine your definition of “faith” and its intersection with “politics.”
One more thing: you say that you and other “Christians” (who seem to think you all encompass the faith a lot more strongly than others) are being attacked or that others who do not agree with you are “reveling” in Kennedy’s mortality. I think you’re the one reveling in your own self-righteousness.
It takes a lot of, umm, “hate” to castigate the likes of ADyer or Abstractmind. I think you’re exhibiting some of the reactionary tendencies that you accuse others who don’t wish to pray of doing. There’s a little bit of the hypocrite in us and as at least one atheist on this blog pointed out to me in this blog and real life, everybody observes life in different ways.
You observe Kennedy’s life your own way and let those of us who don’t wish to pray observe it some other way.
JasonL:
Your pity is misguided. There are some pepole on this planet who do not deserve polite decorum, alive or dead. Ted Kennedy is one of those people. So is Jimmy Carter, Dick Durbin, John Murtha, Pete Stark, or any one of a number of leftwingnuts who have done as much damage as they could to this country, and ther damndest to undermine the efforts in the war on Islamofascism.
I’ll say this again:
I will not be a hypocrite. I don’t like Ted Kennedy, and will not be sorry when he dies. He’s a corrupt politician who took advantage of his name, his wealth, and his connections to avoid being charged with negligent homicide.
He, along with the rest of his Democrat cohorts have done a lot of damage to our country’s economy and national security. They align themselves with America’s enemies, disrespect the military, and use their clout to undermine the war against Islamofascism.
This goes way beyond political differences and disagreements. It’s sanctioned treason.
I’m just sorry he was never forced to resign, convicted, and sent to prison.