Primary open thread; Early exits; Hill’s “Bluegrass boost;” Obama’s Oregon boost–1,649.5
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I’ve been tied up with travel, business, and column-writing duties today–and am back on a train again for the ride home. Tomorrow, I’ll be on Fox and Friends at around 8:05am to talk primary results and Ted Kennedy.
Poor Hillary is begging left-wing blogs for help as her campaign unravels.
Talk amongst yourselves as the results come in. I’ll check in a bit later.
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Anticipation builds. Allahpundit muses: “Will Hillary hint that the end is near? Or will she continue to rock on, perhaps punctuating her defiant address with a sassy, “See you in Puerto Rico, sucka”?
Polls close in KY at 7pm Eastern and in Oregon at 11pm Eastern.
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Early exits via CNN:
The exit polls point to three reasons: Her support among white voters, her support among rural voters, and Barack Obama’s controversial formal pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.
Among whites in Kentucky, who made up 9 in 10 voters, Clinton won 71 percent of the vote while Obama only won 22 percent.
Rural voters also voted overwhelmingly for Clinton. Those voters made up 45 percent of the electorate and nearly 80 percent of them went for Clinton. Among suburban voters, who made up 30 percent of the vote, Clinton won by a narrower 18 point margin. Meanwhile Obama carried urban voters by 18 points, but those voters only made up a little more than 10 percent of the electorate.
There is also evidence Obama’s former pastor continues to haunt him. Nearly 55 percent of Democratic voters said Obama shares the most controversial views of Wright and those voters went for Clinton 84 percent to 9 percent over Obama. Among the 44 percent of Kentucky voters who said Obama does not share Wright’s views, 51 percent voted for the Illinois senator while 43 percent went for Clinton.
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As expected, Hill takes Kentucky. Fox calls it a “Bluegrass boost.”
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As expected, Obama takes Oregon and reaches 1,649.5
Sen. Barack Obama reached a majority of the pledged delegates at stake in the primaries and caucuses Tuesday, a symbolic milestone in his march toward the Democratic nomination for president.
But he still has work to do to claim victory over Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.
Clinton won most of the delegates Tuesday night, including an overwhelming majority in Kentucky. Obama fared better in Oregon, where they were still counting votes early Wednesday.
Clinton won at least 54 delegates in the two states and Obama won at least 39, according to an analysis of election returns by The Associated Press. All 51 delegates from Kentucky were awarded but there were still 10 of 52 to be allocated in Oregon.
Obama has won 1,649.5 pledged delegates in the primaries and caucuses, surpassing the 1,627 needed to claim a majority. Three primaries remain.
Obama has an overall total of 1,956 delegates, including endorsements from party and elected officials known as superdelegates. Clinton has 1,776, including superdelegates, according the latest tally by the AP.
Obama is expected to come out of the two contests about 60 or so delegates short of the 2,026 needed to clinch the nomination. He has added nearly that many superdelegates in the past two weeks.
Obama added two superdelegates Tuesday and Clinton picked up one.
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Primary? What primary?!
It’s probably the first time Kentucky or Oregon’s ever mattered in the primaries! We just moved to Kentucky last summer, so it was hard to wait this long to vote.
she’s at the end of a rope that is burning.
The dark side of the force is strong with this one. I doubt she will go gently into the good night, but go down screaming, kicking clawing, and hopefully damaging the new messiah beyond recovery.
b-b-but she has the popular vote
What I wonder is when we will stop apologizing.
We’re so sorry Uncle Mohammed! We didn’t mean to dishonor a book that calls for the rape and murder of our families.
Hang in there Hill! I saw Barack Hussein Obama’s ears twitching when your name was mentioned!
Maybe he is getting ready to surrender?Or is he getting ready to fly off and talk to a terrorist.
That about covers it. Good one Boomer.
Obama=Jimmy Carter’s 2nd term. It’s becoming all too obvious.
Beware the second wave of malaise.
That’s pretty funny Boomer. I don’t know if the new messiah needs any help in doing damage. He’s pretty good at self-inflicting.
Boomer - I heartily agree…if she can damage him on the way out, we can maybe avoid becoming the United Socialist States of America
Hmmh, only 3 more to go.
I have a deep hatred for her but right now I love her as long as she stays in.I want this fight to do an Energizer Bunny.
And that will just be from the crowd protesting everything outside the conventions re-creating Chicago 1968!
Why did we do away with dueling anyway?
From the NY Times article:
Is this a ding at bloggers by the MSM?
methinks so.
Regardless of how the race is going between Hillary and Barry, I had absolutely no problem tossing the RNC mail in the trash yesterday.
“Would I be able to send $5000, $1000, $500, $100, $50, or even $25 to help insure a Republican victory?”
Not this Republican. My party has been hijacked.
I wish this democrat primary season could go on forever.
My guerilla trigger finger is itchy for the “DLTDHYOTWO”!!!!!!!!!
Only 36% of Hillary backers would support Obama in the general. So freaking what. Obama doesn’t have a shot at Kentucky anyway. These bitter people will go for McCain, and KY is hardly a swing state.
That being said,
Obama better get 2 out of 3 in the Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania triangle, or we can be ready to say Mr. President John Sidney McCain.
A steal in VA, and perhaps one more southern state will be needed to offset a sure McCain win in Florida. I know it’s early…..I’m just ready to get this show on the road.
I would laugh but I’ve got too much popcorn stuck in my teeth right now.
Far better than President Barak H. Obama ie, Jimmy Carter II - The Liberals Strike Back (and put the country in the biggest sh*thole since… well Jimmy Carter I)
Anybody got a read on whether Condi is giving any hints whatsoever that she might be receptive to the veep job?
As much as I do not want to help JSM in any way, as a pure piece of idle political speculation, I’d say that she is just exactly what he needs. There are centrist women out there very disappointed and perhaps a little angry at the Dem party. Any help with blacks would be useful to JSM in fending off danger that massive black turnouts might flip some southern states blue. And, although Condi is not the darling of the base that she once was, she does still have some appeal, I think. She’d be a lot more broadly welcomed than Rudy, e.g. And I don’t think her negatives with the base would be any greater than Huckebee or Mitt (my man), both of whom have large blocks of opposition within the base. At least she is not part of the repulsive GOP establishment. Everybody respects her as a person.
(Of course, there is ~nothing~ that the arrogant traitor to U.S. sovereignty could do to attract ~my~ vote.)
Hangfire #19, I’m with you. No donations to the Amnesty Republicans. The Fact that Happy feet is behind pushing this new Amnesty and the Party Leaders are not leading the cause to get him to resign, lets me know that they lack a spine right now.
a valid question if i may…why is it that people who dont support obama and speak out against him always get the “bitter” label?
I dont support him, and i’m not bitter.
Can someone really answer this legitimately. I’m tired of hearing about “bitter” people, when really, they dont seem all that bitter to me.
I voted today, Oregon. What a waste.
Truth be told, I wasn’t around for Jimmy Carter’s presidency but I honestly — all kidding aside — cannot imagine it, or a second version of it, could be worse than what we have now.
I may be totally wrong, and I don’t pretend to read her mind, but I thought mistress was playing off the Obama “bitter” remarks — like a lot of other posters here do.
I was considering a move to KY-Tenn- or NC–
Or:
Should I just stay
In good old CA
An continue the fray
from here?
Correct. That’s all I was doing. Add to that fact that these folks are bitter that Hillary won’t be their nominee.
Hello, my abstract friend.
As you well know, considering people not sharing MSM and elite viewpoints as “bitter” is standard stuff. (Usually, we hear the phrase “angry white males.”)
I have always resented that crap, but, at this particular time, I must admit that I ~am~ bitter. Immigration is a very special issue, because it is something that can not be undone. Sure, goodies handed out by liberals always have a sort of ~ratchet~ effect. But, over time, most things liberals do seem not to have fundamentally changed the culture.
But merging with a third-world country will leave America as a different country…forever. Hispanic people are more enthusiastic about having babies than the rest of us and — we all know it — America is about to have a profound makeover in the direction of Mexican culture.
Mexico is a stinkhole of poverty, corruption, machismo, and garbage. Who in his right mind is not bitter about his country being given over to this fate? And once it is done…it is done forever. More American’s will one day look to Mexico as the “mother country” than to England. If feeling sick and bitter about this makes me a bigot, then I certainly am one.
I agree that Condi may help with some independent/moderate women who may feel shafted out of the Whitehouse.
But I don’t think Condi has a shot in hell.
1. McCain needs to shed the 3rd-term Bush label, and Condi would only add to it.
2. I don’t think Condi will make any type of dent in the Black vote for Barack. Blacks who would support McCain, will do so on conservative idealogical reasons. If it’s about getting one of our own in the WhiteHouse, then Barack is the obvious choice.
McCain does have a concern with large Black turnout in the southern states turing one or more blue. As a democrat, a Huckabee choice would scare me, because of his charisma, and his ability to motivate the evangelicals in southern states. I think Huckster could swing more blacks to McCain than Condi would based on evangelical grounds. Bush had similar success in 2004 by with his “faith” based campaign and using hot button issues like gay marriage on the black evangelical electorate.
#33
+1
Hey Hillary, Ted Kennedy is backing Obama. Get a clue.
thoughtful read, mistressjustice…thanks
We just like doing it more!!! Kids aren’t bad either, as long as I don’t live above my means. I’ll stop before I can staff a basketball starting line up team.heh
This is a matter of dispute. If you let Americans cater to them, then yes. If you don’t then the answer is no. The cross culture thing has already happened, I don’t see it going any further unless we let the muticultrism wackos get carried away. Where has it taken hold of American culture? The answer is the American English language. Most people here on this thread can speak a lot more Spanish than the average Englishmen. Many Spanish words have found their way into the American English dictionary. If it goes any further, it’s our fault because we let it happen. There is nothing wrong from taking cultural ideas from other cultures, however America must remain American.
Tough call, Tennessee is a no state income tax state.
There are some nice towns there. Depends on your job outlook I suppose.
Of course California does have nice climate.
Where in Tennessee?
Wrong and shallow as usual Bobby Jindal will be vp.
Because what he said was incredibly offensive, rude, and arrogant. Can’t you see that’s why there was such backlash in WV & KY? Man, oh wait you’re a liberal, of course not.
I have no idea who McCain will pick.
After all it is McCain we’re talking about.
I know the short list many have suggested but even if “HE” picked Hillary as his running mate, I couldn’t say I was shocked.
And also because if it had not been secretly taped and disclosed we still would not know about it.
Unguarded he spoke openly and from his real thoughts.
Clearly no one knows this man as well as they think they do.
I’m moving to Lanzarote when I retire in 3 years at 37.
Lanzarote, if only we could post pictures…..
I have never been but friends who were stationed in Spain did go.
I’m real bitter.
It’s a pity all three of them can’t lose, but for now I simply want Operation Chaos to continue. If it doesn’t (i.e. if Hillary folds), I will shed a bitter tear.
I’m so bitter I’m gonna go out and get me a CHL and a gun.
McCain will prevent us from becoming Socialist?
Let’s see here…Juan Mc Amnesty vs. Hitlery Rotten Clintoon…hmmmm. Now there is a race one can flip a coin for whom to vote for…their almost identical.
# 39
I’m told that the border areas near NC are very nice - with fewer bugs and less humidity.
BOB, hopefully, prayerfully, by God’s Grace, John McCain will prove out to be the right man at the right time. We, the people of the United States of America, still have voices, pens, keyboards. We can put pressure in the right places. Look at the ass-kickin’ the RNC took the other day in their blog. Maybe, just maybe, Cole took notice. And told John McCain…
The NRCC post is up to 1820 responses and still not a peep from Tom Cole that I’ve seen.
The crickets are still chirping at NRCC headquarters.
nyk, it was grim. Worst recession since the great depression if I remember correctly. Short term interest rates went over 20% - imagine buying a car or house at mafia rates - gas prices jumped and supplies were short. You were only allowed to purchase gasoline on “odd” or “even” days depending on your license plate, and you waited in long lines that stretched down the street.
Heating oil prices jumped and Carter’s answer was to put on a sweater while wearing a goofy grin. He seemed weak so Iran grabbed our diplomats and held them for over a year. Carter finally launched a botched raid trying to rescue them and it only symbolized his inept administration. The last year of his administration this country’s morale was in the toilet. Bush won’t go down as a wonderful President either, but I can assure you Carter II would depress you no end.
Obama’s gaffes are no laughing matter to me, because it reminds me of what “inept” in the White House looks like.
Seriously, all kidding aside.
nyk,
Let me help you imagine, and I will leave ideology out of it. I’m sure you’ve seen Help Wanted signs the past few years. In fact, you are so used to seeing them it doesn’t even create an impression and you don’t notice them. Now imagine never seeing them. Ever, even in fast food joints since in the rare cases one was put up it never stayed there more than 20 minutes. I was only a teeneger but I remember this aspect quite well as it was extremely difficult to find ANY kind of work. Does that sound better or worse than what we have now?
Jimmy Carter’s White House? Oh brother, we can literally thank him for the situation in Iran and the Middle East for that matter. Instead of backing one of our allies, The Shaw, he allowed the Iatollah Kohemini to take over and bring Sharia Law to Iran. Nope, we can literally thank Jimmy Carter for the what we are dealing with today. That was just his foreign policy, which is not any different than what I hear sputtering out of the Obama’s mouth.
Do not even get me started on his economic policy or trade policy and/or his energy policy. OMG..
Perhaps Hill will run as an Independent since she must think O stoll her nomination
Interesting results in Kentucky. The exit polling still showed a lot of support for the Silky Pony - heck, he even ended up with 2% of the Dem vote in the primary. Had Edwards not thrown his support to Obama, Hillary’s margin would undoubtedly have been larger (her populist message was close to Edwards’).
The bigger news, however, was on the Republican side. McCain only got 72% of the Republican vote - running unopposed. Despite McCain being the nominee and despite having no opposition, 28% of Kentucky Republicans still voted for another candidate.
As I recall, over 20% of the vote in NC and WV went to candidates other than McCain.
Call it what you want. But I’d call this a problem for McCain. It is a pretty clear indication that a lot of Republicans out there ain’t buying what he’s selling. At this point, it would be dangerous for McCain to assume that those voters will “come around” in November. This is McCain’s last shot at the brass ring.
Maybe he can ask Mark McKinnon - oops. Forgot. McKinnon made good on his promise to leave to avoid “hurting” Obama. I’ve seen some boneheaded moves in my time, but to have a guy like McKinnon in the middle of your campaign knowing he supports the other guy was a total lack of judgment. The Obama camp will certainly make some hay out of that gaffe.
AlohaGuy #54. I was there also, and what a mess President “Malaise” made of our country. BHO is the epitome of Carter and his out of touch with reality change rhetoric. We need Carter II like we need a, well, Clinton II.
Voted R, but not for McCain. Same for my dh.
Probably will hold my nose and vote for him in the fall, but I didn’t have to today…
Ah… the Carter years.
Double digit inflation and having to compete for “Mc Jobs”.
A working student, I vividly remember “walking” to my “job” as a gas station attendant in Southern CT at 5:45AM and having to do a “wake up knock” on the windows of the folks who had parked overnight at the pumps so as to be the first to buy their $5.00 worth of gas that likely wouldn’t take them to NYC and back for two days.
Folks were exchanging plates on their cars, odd and even so that at least one of their cars would have enough gas to go to work.
“America Held Hostage, Day XXX” opened Nightline each evening, as adherents of the “religion of peace” held our diplomats (non-combatants) hostage for what seemed an embarrasing eternity which ended as soon as Reagan was inagurated.
Sadly, the some of young set recognizes only the last 8 yrs. as a frame of reference.
I earned $2.35/hr. and was grateful to have any job.
Yeah, it was much better back then. Things could not possibly be worse than they are now.
I had never tasted a sour beer until i tried a Billy Beer. One of the great donations the Carter admin made to society (thanks to Jimmy’s brother Billy). Wish i had a 6 pack of it now though. Would probably fetch a fair price on Ebay.
I was a kid growing up in the 70’s during the Carter years and it was tight for us, a big family. Gas prices shot up, oil for heat shot up, and I remember one winter we had no heat for over a week in the middle of a Pennsylvania winter. There were no safety nets then - or maybe my parents eschewed seeking assistance, as they were from the Depression era.
It’s true, there were gas shortages, and we were fortunate that we had an old gas tank and pump on our property, which my Dad kept full and never used unless it was absolutely necessary, like when the gas stations closed down for lack of anything to sell. His foresight paid off, as we always were able to have gas when we needed it.
My mom used to be a stay at home mom, but inflation sent her to work as soon as we were all in school. We grew vegetables and fruit during the summer, and we canned in the fall for winter, and we never knew hunger.
It seems so far away now, as we have had a great deal of comfort and a robust economy for so long - nothing in the past 35 years compared to those belt tightening times. But our parents were from tougher times, so they knew how to deal with it.
I doubt if my generation has half the self-reliance, industry, and sacrifice that our parents had.
Oh my. That’s what happens when the media rewrites history for you.
Yes, everything the preceding writers wrote and more.
He sold out the Shah of Iran, our best and most valuable ally in the middle east, and let Ayatollah Khomeini take over and establish an Islamofascist state. That worked out well, didn’t it? I know Iranians that fled Iran during the “revolution” and there is no way that country has improved in any way since.
Here is the Carter “malaise” speech, which should be instructive:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/carter/filmmore/ps_crisis.html
The only good thing about the Carter years are that they led directly to the Reagan years. Period.
You are paying high prices for fuel, sure. Even when adjusted for inflation, but when you consider that you can still buy all you want, that should be indicative of the true, fabricated (by speculators) nature of this “crisis.” In the Carter years, you literally could not buy more than a certain amount, and then, only if you had less than half a tank of fuel (they would poke their heads in and look). I remember spending my whole lunch hour waiting to pick up a few gallons of regular.
Here is the Misery Index by president:
http://www.miseryindex.us/indexbypresident.asp
A truly accurate index would be to measure this by control of Congress, which would show the true effects of liberalism, but, of course, they don’t do that.
I was nine when Carter was elected. I remember the gas lines. I haven’t been through tougher times since. Carter created our Middle East problems, by selling out the Shaw of Iran. Then spent 444 days trying to appease the student terrorist holding American hostages in our Embassy in Tehran. It was the first time The US displayed weakness to extremists. It gave rise to all the problems we have with the ME today.
Carter is an anti-semite and would have sold Israel down the river if he had a second term.
Carter was a micro-manager and had trouble taking advice. He made a recession much worse with his policies. I remember getting 18.5% on a CD.
Jobs were non-existent. My Dad stayed employed but I remember living on eggs and peanut butter during certain stretches.
I made extra money selling coffee and doughnuts to drivers in the gas lines. I had a big igloo dispenser of coffee with doughnuts on my wagon. I walked up and down all the lines in town.
It wasn’t a good time in America. People didn’t feel proud of their country, and Carter’s depressing speeches didn’t help.
I thank God for the US Olympic hockey team in 1980. That was the beginning of the turnaround. Then Reagan came along and made us proud to be Americans again. He was the best President in my lifetime.
Sadly the young people today do not study or understand history. Plus they are brainwashed with Liberal pablum from our media, colleges and Hollywood. They have no idea how dangerous their support of Obama is.
I have no desire to have a virtual political intern as the next President of the US. The consequences could be dire. You want another WTC type of attack, then vote for Obama.
JT, I was with you until your last line. It could happen again regardless of who our leader is.
With Obama it is a lock. It happened three times under Clinton. I’d feel safer with someone actively trying to kill our enemies, than Obama the appeaser.
If Obama gets elected and you live in a major city with ports and significant commerce, make sure your will is updated.
Maybe no one is still on this thread, but it occurred to me to note that Mahmoud, guest speaker at Columbia, was one of the “students” who held our diplomats hostage. In my opinion, Obama as Pres would be round two…