Beltway jerks harass uniformed military personnel Update: Bob Owens vets the memo
Update: See this follow-up from Bob Owens, who reports that the memo does not check out. Glad to hear it.
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Michael Yon e-mails word of outrageous behavior by anti-war loons harassing uniformed military personnel on the D.C. Metro subway system:
Dept of Transportation Federal Transit Administration sends:
Recently, there have been local incidents in which military personnel have been verbally assaulted while commuting on the Metro. Uniformed members have been approached by individuals expressing themselves as anti-government, shouting anti-war sentiments, and using racial slurs against minorities.
In one instance, a member was followed onto the platform by an individual who continued to berate her as she exited the metro station. Thus far, these incidents have occurred in the vicinity of the Reagan National Airport and Eisenhower Ave metro stations on the yellow line, however, military members should be vigilant and aware of their surroundings at all times while in mass transit.
Should you be approached by any individuals expressing anti-government/anti-war sentiments, or any other types of direct verbal assault, immediately notify your local police jurisdiction. If riding metro, exit the train at the next stop, distance yourself from the individual, and notify the Metro Transit Police Department.
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One would think other citizens would have their back.
I was thinking the same thing.
My blood is boiling. I cannot imagine watching this take place and idly sit by and do nothing. I know that our troops are more than capable of fighting their own battles but this is just downright obscene.
Liberals…
Unfortunately uniformed personnel are only able to defend themselves with the necessary force if physically attacked. Being good troops they will follow and obey any military directives and retreat in the face of a threat from a civilian liberal nut job. Now that I am retired it would be worth the civilian assault charge to pound the living daylights out of one of these dirty bags messing with our troops. It is good for the anti-war crowd I live in the middle of nowhere Idaho. GRRRRRRRRRRR!
Before he left for Iraq, my husband had to go into the Pentagon a number of times in uniform from Fort Belvoir on the Yellow Line. He had one incident but everyone else was really nice. He just told the clown that he appreciated his thoughts that he fought for his right to be a jerk and to have a nice day. The clown told him to “f-off killer” and he just laughed at him again.
Regardless of what our dc liberal claims, there is plenty of incidents like this that goes on in the district.
I would not sit by either 30, unfortunately too many do.
Lay off the troops, Rusty.
I wouldn’t sit by.
I’m getting really sick of “We’re against the war but we support our troops” because it’s been shown to be – by and large – a lie.
As a retired military officer, I am just waiting to be “recalled to active duty” for the Second American Revolution that will resestablish the Constiution as our most precious governing document.
But i was only helping to support the soldier by informing him he is a baby killer. /sarcasm off. You know these wacko hate filled anti-american scum should be glad we are not really killers because if we were, there would be bodies all over the dc subway. And blood is hard to get out of the really small cracks.
Aren’t there any men around when this happens? The loud-mouths should be knocked to the ground.
As purple peep advised me in the Pray for Kennedy thread, why can’t people pray for both Kennedy and the military? If you think that praying for Kennedy is a waste then isn’t praying for the troops as equal a waste?
Yep, purple peep, just like I won’t pray for Kennedy I certainly won’t pray for these treasonous bastards. No person in uniform, including my husband, is safe.
Just took a peak at Michael Yon’s blog and some of the comments. Some thought it was a hoax but I don’t believe so. Michael (my husband) had that one incident and I heard from my neighbor who is the USMC at the Pentagon that sometimes going out to lunch he’s run into a few of these “peas protestors” as well.
Har, har. I wouldn’t be caught dead in Alexandria.
I see a lot of military personnel on the Metro and I have never seen anything like this. It’s unacceptable and heartbreaking.
Gorilla #8 this retired Senior NCO would be proud to serve under you when it comes.
Terri, that’s probably why I don’t see anything like this. Someone looking to pick a fight with military types would be on the Pentagon lines: blue and yellow. I’m a red and green man.
Props to your husband for dealing with that scumbag perfectly.
Boomer, be carefull what you wish for, if it comes I will declear then. I am still in uniform, even if it is reserves.
Hmm. Why does the term ‘b*tch slap’ come to mind?
Come on. I simply said what every one was thinking….
We often say that the dislike for the current administration is a mental disorder. When we say this we are usually being sarcastic. However, when a stranger feels compelled to confront someone on the subway for no other reason than that they are working for the government/military; that is a sign of mental disorder. What practical purpose did the confrontation serve? It is simply a case of an individual being unable to control him/herself in public.
This person/these people need to seek help.
I was stationed in Hawaii during the Viet Nam war. When I walked through Wakiki with my uniform I would get harassed – by the tourists.
These people should be ashamed of themselves. This type of behavior is repugnant and should not be tolerated.
If one of them physically assaulted a person in uniform…well, if the protestor repeatedly hit the soldier’s fist with their head and lost…well, “these things happen”.
I work on an Air Force Base as a simple servant and most the troops I talk to here don’t have much love for the anti-war crowd and liberals at all. I have a pretty good feeling the active duty force will be on our side when things get really ugly and we will be forced to take a side stand up and fight back to save this nation.
The more things change, the more the song remains the same( sighing)…. Yep, a revolution may come, in which case I’ll be ready. I adamantly hope people will see the light, though. No, I’m not holding my breath. Funny how you hope people WILL come to your side when you’re insulted and your uniform is violated, but then, it doesn’t happen. Sorry for my musings, wish more were like you folks here.
Aren’t those the same instructions they give soldiers in Baghdad?
Just another sign that liberals are unpatriotic.
Remember this?
Enemies, both foreign and domestic…
Enemy of my enemy is my friend?
Sorry, the above was for a state senate vote (CT), but the point is the same: Democrats do not support the military, no matter how much lipservice they give the topic.
Gorilla,
Sgt. Hefty reporting for duty.
As for everyone else, when I was stationed at Andrews AFB (imagine a US Marine at an Air Force base), I never took the Metro. Once I got out and worked as a civilian in Rockville, I took the Metro daily (until May 95 when I got out of the DC rat race).
If I saw a uniformed member, I approached him/her to speak kindly and share “war stories.” It helped pass the time.
But if that’s not how you plan to talk to a defender of our homeland, then just shut up and leave them alone. Tune your iPod to NPR and read the Washington Compost in silence.
GRRRR!
If the blue and yellow lines are the ones that the military frequents, then there should be other military personel, as well as civilians who work for the military on those trains to help out.
Also, what about extra police on those lines.
I can tell you right now if I see anything like that when I’m in D.C., there will be some loony toon lefties nursing bloody noses.
I think I may start hanging out at Regan National and Eisenhower Ave and see what I see.
I can yell and scream profanities just as well if not better than those tools. Should it escalate past that, well, let me just say it’ll be all good.
Oh come on, these kids are probably just doing it for extra credit at school…
It is
ironicmoronic that there are actually Americans out there who feel the disgusting need to personally attack individual members of the military.Don’t these “jerks” realize they are attacking the very people who put their lives on the line to afford for these hooligans the privilege of deciding for themselves to be jerks?
DBNinKY, It seems like they would prefer to live in countries where the military could take such a person and see how many wacks with a stick it takes to get to the center of his brain. They really are just clueless.
I ride the yellow line to work in VA everyday. I actually find it’s neat to ride with all the guys and gals in uniform. If I ever see a nutjob harassing a military person I’ll do my best to stand up for him/her.
I owe the US Military a great debt for all the things they’ve done for my family. It was the US military who helped protect my mother’s family in Korea as they fled from the North Korean military’s advance. And it was the US military who helped my parents meet (he was a USAF serviceman in Korea). So the thought of someone disrespecting them gets my blood boiling.
Someone ought to tell Keith Olbermann to stop taking the metro and use alternate transportation…
Mister P, when one of my cousins was being sent to Viet Nam he and his high school sweetheart married right before he left. They decided they would “meet” in Hawaii for their honeymoon on his way home. They stayed two days (just because it took them that long to get a return flight home) due to their “welcome” in Waikiki. They wouldn’t come out to visit while we were there saying they wouldn’t be caught dead in that state. Guess it was pretty bad from what I also heard from my neighbor who was also in during Viet Nam. I hope we don’t see this again.
Coming from a LEO background, I found that the silent step between worked pretty well. I usually positioned myself so that physical contact was initiated by the “offender” (however slight) thereby giving me EVERY right to defend myself.
BTW, nothing like a smile to “initiate” the contact.
From my reading of the case, I think if several folks had just stood up and moved closer with attention to the perp, the situation would have resolved itself – “you can walk away or be carried away -your choice”
My son came to visit me not too long ago, and he went with me to a “meet and greet” at a high school for a Veteran’s Day function. He was in his Air Force uniform and I was in my USMC League uniform( too chunky to wear my dress blues). I actually had a parent come up to me and call me out for brainwashing my son to become a killer. Before I could say a thing, my son told the wench that , unlike her, he was an independent thinker and he made his choice willingly. I love that kid. He heads to Iraq in January.
MNUSMCDavid:
OPSEC. Carefull
As soon as you hit one of these loons they’d run for the cops. They are cowards which is why they hate the military. All they are doing is projecting their fears.
Having said that, as a vet if I saw some troop getting harassed I’d gladly walk over to the loon and smash its kidneys to pulp. These military folks are under orders to ‘avoid’ any incidents. I’m under no such contraints.
Should I be witness to such an act, I will not stand by. Military personnel are required to restrain themselves in such situations, however I am not, and I will physically throw that person from the carriage at the very next stop. No hesitation.
I get stationed in D.C. next year. Now I have something to look forward too! If you hear stories about hippies being thrown off of the trains (while moving), you know I’m in town.
MNUSMCDavid,
You’ve raised a great son. Godspeed
Rusty is civilized, and I doubt he would do such a thing. lgm and a couple others I can see doing that…
I am so sad that I’m not in service right now, this would be the headline
MARINE PUMMELS PROTESTER
“But officer, he just fell down.”
This is the thread where your comment belongs – not on the war hero thread.
Coward.
It is never acceptable to harass any soldier who is doing the right thing and carrying out policy. They’re just doing their mission to serve this country and should be applauded. Over 200,000 veterans are homeless. It’s a serious issue and no veteran should be on the streets, and at no time should be harassed or denied appreciation for their bravery.
I had an incident like that at Seatac back in 2004 when I was coming back from Iraq for some well deserved R&R. I was in my desert uniform and a couple college age girls approached me and one of them called me a baby killer (I guess she wanted to be retro). I just told her, “I am sorry you must have mistaken me for somebody else. I do not beleive in abortion.” and walked off.
OPSEC? No violations implied or overt have occurred. I know security better than most. And my son’s deployment is common knowledge.
The scum that does this know somewhere within them that they are nothing, that the stand for nothing, and will always be nothing.
They then see a young man or woman, sometimes far younger than themselves, who in their short time on Earth have reached a nobility that they will never, ever know.
Then like angry, resentful, jealous little B Word(s), they lash out at the Military person.
They are paying homage to that lib mindset, which they know is silly. But it gives them a false sense of belonging, and makes them feel better about being a 12 sandwich eating, pot smoking, incense burning, sack of manure who still lives in their mom’s basement at age 30.
Go Gator70!
Guys, I travel across country all the time, and I haven’t seen any disrespect. Before you get too alarmed, I suspect this nonsense is limited to the twilight zone we know as the beltway where nothing is real.
I could probably cite a hundred cases I’ve seen of people walking up to G.I.s and thanking them. I think our country is 99 percent grateful and appreciative of our military.
And I am sure, if some maggot crosses the line, our GI Janes and Joes are fully capable of knocking said scumbags on their unwashed butts.’
So, If you see hippies flying out of trains, thank Gator70. If you see them staggering around with a fat lip, there is a good chance I have business in town. Me or about 295 million other grateful citizens who feel the same way.
I had the priviledge of being accosted by a heroic peacenik in SF upon my return from Vietnam. I was walking with the aid of a cane thanks to a VC attack. The hero singled me out to attempt to spit on me. His mistake was getting close enough to me for the cane to come in contact with the side of his pumpkin head. The funniest part was a SF police officer saw it & told the hero to either leave or he would arrest him for assault. Turns out the SFPD was ex-Army who had served a tour in Vietnam. the hero probably had to get some of his hair removed to stitch up his scalp.
MNUSMCDavid
You can never be to carefull about such things. Local knowledge is one thing but this website can been seen world wide. Perhaps I am being a little over cautious, but its coming from a good place
sonofdy
I copy that…. and read it 5×5…. not to worry, while I would never jeopardize my country or son… I know you came from a good place.
ezupirate75 – That’s the kind of raising
caincane, I can support!Many of these people say they support the troops because it is politically correct to do so. I don’t trust anti- war people of my generation because I remember what they did when I returned to the US in 1970 . When they become frustrated, but mask comes off.
Something unique did happen to me, though. A flight attendant and I discovered we knew people in common, so we chatted most of the trip during her free time. I shared some of my experiences and how I had helped save a life.
When I got off the plane, the passengers gave me a standing ovation. That welcome must be unique for the Vietnam era.
I don’t see how you can be both for the war and support the troops. Imaginary WMD is worth the killing of so many Iraqis and Americans? A corrupt culture like that of Iraq is going to turn into a democracy? The Iraqis are going to love us after so many of them have been killed and maimed, their infrastructure and cultural assets demolished?
I’m with Gorilla, Boomer, ACHefty, MNUSMCDavid and others. Former Army NCO with plenty of fight to support the constitution, something not many Republicans or Democrats in Washington feel is necessary any more.
Wouldn’t it be nice if they were allowed to work it like our drill sergeants did back in the day and take them to a nice dark corner, remove the Round Brown and discuss it face to face?
Gimme a call, I may be a long walk away but I am not hard to find. I hate to see it but I think it may come to that some day if we keep on down this path.
If they had any testicular fortitude or faith in their beliefs they would have left already. I think mental disorder really does fit the bill … literally speaking.
Sad as it is, it may be about time to water the tree of Liberty.
Gorilla, sign me up. I’ll bring Lulu. She goes everywhere with me, if you catch my drift.
Unhinged, need we say more?
I was in an airport back in the day in my AF dress blues when I was confronted by a hippie with an attitude problem. I hate being called a “whore for war’!! A very tall, very handsome Army soldier stepped between me and my aggressor and since I could only see his broad green back, I never did know what he said. At any rate, the hippie started running away practically crying. What a fine moment that was, and I bought my hero a drink in the airport lounge before we went on our way. Mmmmm, he never did tell me what he said – God love him.
I rode on the Metro nearly every day for 13 years and people can be quite apathetic. I used to be the only one who would give up a seat for a pregnant lady.
Lucky for that little sniveling punk I now live on the opposite coast.
Isn’t that disgusting ? The 60s rears its ugly head again.
Honestly officer, his ribs ran into my elbow, six times even. I think I heard something pop?
Little Ma
Lulu would like my friend “Chesty”… he goes with me discreetly everywhere, as well.
Gorilla, add me to the roster, too.
I got the standard SF “welcome” when I came back from Nam, too. Also, dirty looks on the plane & at the airport in Detroit, as I flew in uniform to take advantage of the 1/2 price fare offered. I’ve always been grateful that those freaks didn;t serve – wouldn’t have wanted them next to me when things got hot.
I would probably be in as well. This is to the non-vets out there, if we are going down the “watering of the tree of liberty” route, be sure of what you are getting into. Me and my fellow vets understand, but do you? be very sure. More than likely it would be long, bloody, and someone you love would probably die. I am not trying to scare you off, I am just letting you know what the score is in any civil war/revolution. Our leftist friends would violate every single law of warfare. As would our side. This always happens in these types of wars. Sorry but thats how it is.
Disgusting.
I had a similar experience – a stewardess sat down with me and another GI in uniform and chatted for most of the flight. Ah, the good old days.
MNUSMCDavid,
Give your son the salute he deserves from me.
And if you military personnel have a cell phone, take a photo or better yet a video of the idiot(s). Then, after giving the visual to the police, post it on the internet. MM will help, no? Let’s see how the sorry little excuse for an American will enjoy having his idiocy broadcast.
One more thing for those of you who travel.
Please “adopt” any military members you see in the airports. Your Crown Room membership usually allows up to two guests. That means, you can grab a pair of Marines, let them have a free drink and snack, allow them to get off their feet and relax, and maybe even make a phone call or e-mail home — in private.
I used to do this regularly when I traveled, and that was before 9/11. Now, more than ever, let’s do this.
That’s a direct order!
Ditto. Please thank him for his service, and if his unit has things they need that we can send him, please let us know here. I’m sure we can put something together, or work with groups that do, to get them whatever they need.
PJ is correct. film them if you can…get pictures. makes them look ignorant when they are shown, and also serves as evidence just in case
The greatest burden any Nation can place on their youth is forcing them to learn first hand the harsh realities and horrors of war. As frightening as this concept may be and as conspiratorial or “fringe” as it may seem, it really does not look like there is any viable method of reclaiming our nation. Sadly, our Forefathers were right on many accounts. There is no way that I, or many others, could, in good conscience, sit idly by and do nothing as foreign invaders bring their corruption to our nation or as our politicians attempt to drive us into a socialist state forcefully removing private property and rights from one citizen only to grant them to another
citizen without due process, just compensation or any other due consideration. Such is already the nation that we live in however.
Something that just seems appropriate here.
And
And if they lay so much as a finger on you, feel free to kick their guts out.
There’s more.
Here are a few friendly reminders of personal protective measures that can help you to stay safe:
-If possible, do not commute in uniform (military members)
-Do not display DoD building passes, “hot cards”, or personal identification in open view outside of the workplace
-Do not discuss specifics about your occupation to outside solicitors
-Always try to remain in well lit, well populated train cars if traveling via metro
-Be vigilant at all times!
MM’s “group” has enough talent to organize – via:
vids-
media-
art- (saw _overhaul_ for the first time last night- Foose and his associates are artists for vehicles and help our troops!!!!)
writing books-poetry——
running for and winning gvt offices-and sticking with our honor while in office…
I like the idea of camera photos of the evil – anti troop DC _ _ _ _ _!
Let’s do it!
I love the guys and gals in the military, and I support the War against Terrorism both in Iraq and Afghanistan as well as some 30 other countries. (The problem with taking out one of these Code Pinko or Code Redo folks is that they stink and probably are diseased.)
Just a thought, maybe we should call this collective of idiots “Code Stinko”
Hey thanks to all of you; always know I have your 6 forever. My VFW is adopting my son while he will be over there. I would ask of all of you to go to your local VFW or hit the Operation Uplink website to get free phone cards sent over… These phone cards mean a lot to the guys and ladies overseas where ever they may be. Would that I had such backing and stuff when I was in Nam but oh well. I’m ready to water that Liberty Tree. Terrifying that this is even a thought stream..
Gee. In our neghborhood when we see a GI in uniform, never gets any more rowdy than ” Can I buy you a beer!?”
Well, don’t hold your breath waiting to be recalled. You have to take the initiative. I served from 1979-89 as an Infantry officer in the Oregon Army National Guard and as a Civil Affairs Officer in the Army Reserve; in 2006, after shedding 50 pounds I went back into the Oregon Guard for a stint as a Cav Scout Sergeant.
Trust me, unless you’ve got some specialization they badly need, or have only been out for a short time, they’re not pining away for your return. And not as an officer, if you were one before.
And you might be amazed at how the years catch up with you. At 26, I strove to exceed the physical standards; at 46, I struggled to meet them.
So if any vet wants to put the uniform back on again, then as long as you can pass the height, weight and age restrictions, as well as the physical fitness qualifications, you can do more than talk about it and they’ll take you back if you’re serious. But it’s entirely on you the whole way.
Now, speaking of a Second American Revolution, I can see one coming, too. But it’s not a right vs. left thing, as much as a citizens vs. the government matter. Sooner or later the Rube Goldberg construct that is the Federal Government is going to either have to nationalize the economy to prop up its trillions of dollars’ worth of unfunded entitlements, or is going to have to break its promises to a lot of people.
Either way, a lot of people will be looking for another “Square Deal/New Deal” that would include sweeping away the old order. Whether the Constitutional Republic would survive such a trauma is far from certain.
I WORK in Alexandria.
I think I’ll take the Metro tomorrow. I’d love to see one of these liberal wack-jobs go off on a soldier when I’m around. A pissed-off fluffy white guy in a confined space… Better get a mop.
I’ve been meaning to see if it’s cheaper now that gas is almost $4 a gallon (I doubt it but my Dakota only gets 15 MPG).
The uniformed members are bound to avoid altercations. The chicken-sh!t azzhats know this, which makes their behavior more reprehensible.
This is the only reason I am happy to be a civilian now. I can knock the living @r#p out of these idiots.
Remember, you liberals, we already had this in the 60s/70s. This time, we set the rules. Not you.
Butt is spelled with two ‘t’s.
Regulus
You’re right about trying to get into an organized outfit. I suspect, though, that most of us “volunteering” aren’t suggesting we join back or up. Until the 2nd Amendment is torn out, this would be a civilian group of volunteers( Minutemen, if you will).. As I’ve intimated before… it’s a sad thing when we have to take Jefferson’s and Franklin’s words to heart… but our government and certain civilians are really causing us to consider such actions.
Not the only one and they didn’t have to be pregnant. As I often say, ‘My mother tried to raise a gentleman and I try not to let her down.’
Although I did have to make the rising and act of offering a single motion otherwise someone else might jump in the seat.
About three years ago I was stationed at Ft. Mc Pherson in Atlanta, GA. I was riding MARTA, in uniform to get to Hartsfield to catch a flight.
I was approached by three individuals that expressed their anti-war sentiments and one put his hands on me when I told them to get lost.
After I decked him, the other two “heroes” ran off to another car.
An elderly black woman rose from her seat and gave me a hug.
“Thank You Soldier” she said. “My Grandson is at Ft. Benning and I am going to Columbus to see him graduate from Basic Training” She had my arm for the rest of the ride to the airport.
There are fools out there that have no investment in this Nation. When they cannot be ignored a hard blow to the chops gets them invested.
My point, harrass a man in uniform and he will ignore you. Putting your hands on one will get you something that you don’t want.
Nuff said.
Thanks wtcreaux for a silent step between and a smile. I’m going to remember that.
I hope I never witness anyone insulting or attempting to provoke our troops. I’m sure Anticipatory Grief wouldn’t get me out of any assault charges for scratching (hey, I’m a girl) hippies and harridans.
I might have to add ‘hands behind the back’ to keep me from touching them. A silent step between, a smile and hands behind the back. They wouldn’t attack a smiley faced girl, right?
That said, I have only witnessed the opposite: Thank you for your service. One guy even thanked me.
Some people are auditory learners, some are visual learners and some require that tactile approach, old trooper.
Obviously, it took the latter for those three. Well done on meeting their learning needs.
When stories like this crop up, the first thing I want to know is – where did it happen?
I would expect a lot of it in SF, Seattle, and Boulder. In DC, our men and women should be much less susceptible to mistreatment.
On the contrary…DC is chock-full of moonbats-in-waiting. Be on guard.
AChefty’s got it right. DC has always been full of hippies. Back in the 60’s and 70’s DuPont Circle was an open market drug store. DC’s overly liberal welfare allowed the lay-abouts to smoke dope, drink wine, and castigate any productive member of society – in particular the military. I was at Andrews in ‘70. I saw it first hand.
This should be a lawful course of action for our military personnel…maybe then, the har-assholes will stop. This, IMHO, is NOT about free speech, nor expression. If you think it is, then maybe our servicemen and women should be able to “express” themselves, and have legal protections to do so.
I’m all for standing up for those who protect us but I’d first look for the moonbat’s friend hanging back with the camera waiting to capture the ‘baby killer’ attacking a ‘citizen’. Gotta make sure the wanna be michael moores are cleared before taking out the rest of the trash.
Stay tuned.
I’m in civilian clothes and not involved with the military anymore, so orders don’t involve me. If I saw such an incident where a military uniform was being harassed, the idiot would have to deal with me to get to the serviceman. It could cost me an arrest, bail and a court hearing, but, d*mn it, sometimes you have to stand up for what is right. No way would I sit by and ignore it. I just can’t do that. It’s pride, patriotism and a whole lot of Celtic blood.
I regularly travel the DC Metro and use the DC Airports. If I see any such harassment of our military personnel taking place I am going to cold cock the hippy in the face as hard as I can. I don’t care if it is a male or a female and I don’t care if I get arrested.
I’m not scared of little girlie men (or women) with cameras! Tread on my heroes, and pay the price. That’s the least I can do.
No jury (of my peers) will ever convict me of defending those heroes, and any DA stupid enough to prosecute, will not have a job long…
DC collects the goofy from all over the globe. It is no surprise that this type of garbage happens on the Metro. I would hope that an incident in which some hippie gets cold cocked hits the press. Let them explain their stance in a front page story.