On May 21st, 2008 at 5:59 pm, RobM1981 said:

you’re correct, and i agree. I think the USN is incredibly vigiliant. I’m not saying that we probably wouldnt catch them. I’m just showing the possibility exists, nothing more. It would be hard to hide, hard to actually get into the air, but…we’ve found our adversary to be rather adept at trying these types of things. i am just saying, dont count them out on that sort of thing.

Noke-Ops = Nuke-Ops

- musculus

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On May 21st, 2008 at 9:24 am, sonofdy said:

… within CONUS.
there, fixed it. [wink]

I personally think that the CONUS phase of their Noke-Ops will incl. small smuggled (via the southern border…) devices detonated in private single/dual engine aircraft.

Piper Cub [dated reference] & others come to mind…

- martin.musculus

OTOH, to simply place a weapon in a container that is loaded on a regular’ol container ship and shipped to a US harbor? That’s much more feasible. And the USN wouldn’t really have reason to suspect, without intelligence.

And *that’s* what scares me.

Bill Clinton is a man with many demons, as we know, and one of those demons had him pathological about the CIA. He gutted it like a fish during his 8 years.

I daresay that Obama’s many demons make Clinton look like a choirboy. What do any of us expect him to do to the CIA when he’s elected?

That’s the danger. While he’s busy talking to terrorists and allowing them to enrich uranium, what little intelligence we gather dries up.

Should be an interesting 4 years…

While they may not have the ability to launch something from Iran to here (obvious anyway), they do have ships they could load missiles and sail into international waters off the coast and fire from there. And even with low yield weapons, those would still cause sufficient damage.

Whomever mentioned that BDS will reign supreme: spot on. While real adults discuss the realities of hate, the emotional children of this country try to vote a hate-monger in – and crown him Messiah.

How a man with limited intellect, zero foreign policy experience, and deep seated (but well fed) issues (hate?)with white America is going to “negotiate us out of this” is beyond me.

OTOH, a muchroom cloud over NYC, the Cheasapeake, Boston, or just about any other port city most decidedly is not…

EMP? Much too challenging for a neophyte nuclear power like Iran, at least for another 5 or 10 years. By the time they get the delivery vehicle and payload, they will have to face the reality of the US having a pretty functional ABM capability. ABM’s are particularly good at foiling an EMP attack.

Don’t be surprised to see USN cruisers doing a lot more “port’o'call” visits on both coasts in the coming years. They’ll basically be providing an ABM shield.

And 1.5MT? Not Iran, and not Al Qaeda. Most basic fission weapons don’t even get to 50kT. To get much past that the technologies are pretty fancy. For megaton ranges, you’re pretty much talking about a thermonuclear device. I’m not thinking that the gang in Iran are even close to that.

But, let’s face it, a small fission device isn’t that hard to make if you have the fissile matarial… and even a 10kT device can ruin your whole week.

A ship-canister bomb is a very, very real threat, and it’s extremely possible that an Obama presidency will allow one. Once Iran is allowed to proliferate more than it is now, all bets are off.

And if basic fission weapons aren’t that tough to make, imagine the threat of a dirty bomb. Given the prevailing winds, I’m thinking a West Coast attack would be both simple and effective.

I shudder to think what someone as messed up as Obama is going to do in the face of that threat. Sorry, but “no sudden movements” ain’t gonna cut it.

No matter the outcome. Dems have the uncanny ability to absolve themselves from all accountability.

Ha! Should liberal democracies survive this century.

The bomb is the holy grail for these dictatorships, it’s pretty obvious why they sacrifice so much to get the bomb – because the payoff is so sweet.

If Iran can just get a nuclear weapon, it can look forward to all types of rewards from the international community. Obama can talk with them till he’s blue in the face, but it won’t matter. They want their bargaining chip.

“Oh, we’re such ninnies! We’ll dismantle the whole nuclear program tomorrow. Sorry for the confusion.”

I think without the word “ninnies” it will happen. When Barack takes over it will be a sign of relief, because for once they have someone to negotiate terms with instead of holding a gun to their head, while the Mullahs hold a gun to the other side of their head. Never corner a rabid dog.

I wish I had links to this information…I’ve read reports and seen programs where inspectors who supervised the dismantling of old Soviet warheads have stated, with a high level of confidence, that a majority of these weapons would’ve never detonated if launched.

MADD – the US vs USSR was a different case – even the wingnuts in Moscow didn’t want to die so it worked. The jihadists could care less – they think they are going to get served in paradise.

We need to assist them in their trip plans.

As far as the actual EMP, the facts presented are correct, as far as the effect of the pulse itself. Would be devestating to civilian and military electronics alike.

I’m still surprised this tactic isnt employed against our enemies more frequently before we move in on a target. would be incredibly effect, methinks.