Congressman admits Dems “stretched the facts” about stopping the war to get elected
Headline says it all:
As Jeff Emanuel notes, there’s an extra little dollop of condescension to leaven all that honesty:
“Now anybody was a good student of Government,” said Kanjorski, “would know that wasn’t true [that they "could stop the war"].” Fortunately for those Democrats who campaigned, and were elected, based on their war-ending promises, their hardcore supporters, their activists, and their base of voters, are all made up of people who are, by Mr. Kanjorski’s reckoning, very, very poor students of Government.
But all of that was justified to these incumbents and first-time candidates. Taking advantage of poor, uneducated rubes? Abusing trust, and leaving those who offered it stranded along the way? All acceptable — because, again by Mr. Kanjorski’s own description, of “the temptation to want to win back the Congress.”
As Krusty the Klown once remarked, “Oh crap, I said the loud part quiet and the quiet part loud!”
H/T to Ace.
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I’m shocked I tell ya…shocked.
They must all be on that Straight Talk Express train I keep hearing so much about.
This isn’t a surprise. It’s expected. But its nice to see the dems alienating their base of voters too!
Okay. Here’s the rule: If a politician’s lips are moving, they are lying, even when they say they are telling the truth now…especially the Democrats.
Kapeesh?
You don’t say!
Democrats stretched the facts.
The truth got the ax..
hell..
Ried lied..
soldiers died..
works just as well
The sad part is, they will not likely alienate much of their base. You could lead them to the gulags, line them up against the wall … and only when the command to fire was give, would they understand and believe what was happening.
Paraphrasing some and condensing a little, but such was the information provided to us by a Soviet defector who specialized in the brainwashing process. These people are so far gone that they will remain disillusioned by the big “d” no matter what the truth is.
But all of that was justified to these incumbents and first-time candidates. Taking advantage of poor, uneducated rubes? Abusing trust, and leaving those who offered it stranded along the way? All acceptable — because, again by Mr. Kanjorski’s own description, of “the temptation to want to win back the Congress.”
Someone must have snuck some truth serum into the kool-aid … not that it will matter to those they lied to and took advantage of … the MSM will make sure this never reaches those folks so they will continue on their sheeple Dem path come November … of course they expect all the illegals to fall in that same Dem sheeple line as well once they pass amnesty …
Most of these folks vote a straight party ticket and later can’t even tell you the names of the people they voted for … I’m sure we’ve all heard someone complaining about an elected official they will swear they didn’t vote for … except that same individual claims they always vote a straight party ticket and the person they are complaining about belongs to that party … duh!!! …
Personally I think straight party voting should be ended everywhere so they at least have to pick for each item on the ballot … who knows … it might even force them to check into who the people are on the ballot and what the issues are come election day …
This and thier bottom basement approval rating yet the look to gain seats. Ever just want to knock the entire american nation on the side of the head and say “HEEEELLLLLOOOOO!!!! anyone in there????”
What is even scarier to me than these politicans is the enormous following they have and knowing there is no cure for stupid!
I want a none of the above box. The theory is if the none of the above box wins the election, you have to start again and the current candidates can’t run.
Their lips are moving. Did anyone with a working brain believe they weren’t lying?
Not on this blog. We got Michelle and See-dub running down the truth for us.
Three cheers!
Crapweasels, all.
Why anybody believes that Dems could get anything accomplished at all is mind-boggling enough – but to think they could stop the war… well that’s just downright hilarious!
sonofdy #10 I am with you on the “none of the above” box along with the associated rules change you have provided. Have to agree with many others the only time you can tell if a politician is lying to you is if their lips are moving. Keep digging Congress! Keep digging!
not only poor students in gov’t, but also in history….and common sense.
but let me say, i am shocked, SHOCKED the dems lied to get votes.
The interesting thing here is that they could have stopped the war. They just were not willing to suffer the consequences of the actions it would have taken. All they had to do was stop all funding for everything period until they got thier way. Of course they would probably not win a majority back in 2008….
The problem is the vast majority of the public is less than well informed
( I’ll be kind here, I could have said stupid ) and the media is biased. Most people I listen to really have no clue about what’s really going on in our country. They are easily fooled and mislead. Our school system is a mess !!!!
They don’t even teach simple economics or civics.
The Left has always felt the truth is what fits–logic and facts do not matter. If it futhers the leftist cause it is the Truth, if it doesn’t further the left it is not the truth. The two biggest examples of this are Woodrow Wilson’s War Socialism and FDR’s New Deal.
Some of us might call that lying, but we wouldn’t want to be judgemental.
Hold your breath waiting for a Republican congressman to admit that reasons for invading Iraq (they attacked us in 9/11, they were on the verge of nuking us) were “exaggerated”.
They could have defunded the war. No disagreement there. However, what came back to bite Pelosi and Reid in the buttocks were their own statements about not defunding the war and placing our troops in further danger. I like to think that God was a work here.
“that God was at work…
The truth has meaning for very few of them, republican or democrat. They will say and do whatever it takes to keep themselves in office.
TERM LIMITS NOW!
Jeeze – Old news…ollllldddddd news…nothing new from the left. Did your mother drop you on your head?
Hey, Mr. Kanjorski, go ahead and say it.
YOU LIED THROUGH YOUR TEETH!
It can be hard to admit. However, that’s the first step to recovery.
LGM, Do you even know what the reasons were? I mean the real ones, not what the leftist peaceniks say they were??
Holy carp !! Quick, alert the media ! Oh wait…………..
lgm – This is an old arguement and has seens it’s day if you ask me….no point even engaging. Shooo fly!
HERE IS THE RSOLUTION Now LGM, lets see if you know the difference between being wrong and outright lying.
Personally, I don’t care why they went into Iraq – they should annex the whole region and stick an American Flag smack dap in the middle of it. Iran should be next. There oil crises averted!
As I said, not much (if any) of their base will be concerned with such minor details. The proof has already shown up here. LOL
I’ve always thought that Democrats couldn’t win without cheating. I guess I need to add lying to that statement too.
LGM proving he is worth less than the stray mutt that drops, squats and leaves a load in your yard..
I take that back, the mutt you can at least in and adopt and he will love you for it.. (like our current dog)
Somehow the term “Scum bag” just doesn’t seem to fully capture the moment…
He knows the difference and CHOOSES to lie. Much like liberal Dimocraps. Remember Sen. Clinton(D) after being elected in a state where she did not reside (stupid NY’ers) said she would not run for the POTUS? I looked at the wife and said, “there is her first lie about running for the POTUS”. Liberal Dimocraps must lie – it is required.
P.S. lgm, please, hold your breath. I say for about 10 minutes would do the trick.
lgm,
You remind me of a child who, when scolded by a parent, points a finger at a sibling and tattles about a separate transgression.
I don’t think you’d get an argument here about it being wrong for any politician to stretch any facts for their own agenda.
However, YOU, my friend, are stretching the facts about what Republicans claimed prior to the Iraq war.
Contrastingly, the democrats clearly stated that they would end the war. Please admit this and don’t make me dig up the quote of Charley Rangel (I assume you know who he is) stating that the dems would cut off funding for the war. This is clearly something they could have done at least twice but haven’t.
Misscheryl #30. I agree. Let the Iraqi’s vote to become a State of the US. I bet they turn out more Red than Blue.
As an added plus, can you imagine the increase in the pucker factor of the mullahs next door in Iran if all the sudden their
citizensserfs realized that all they need to get freedom is get the US into their country?I’m still waiting on Pelosi to make good on the promise to catch Osama Bin Laden once the Democrats took control of congress.
This sure makes a strong case for…
It is easy to tell if a politician is lying. If their solution to an issue they are discussing benefits them or their party, and involves the public having to “sacrifice”, or “invest” or some such nonsense, then they are lying.
Examples? Forty years of listening to the message from the Democrats that, if elected, they will; 1) fix education (it got worse), 2) make taxation more fair (fair means taxing every income group higher rate to pay for THEIR excesses), 3) invest in “infrastructure” (meaning, creating slush funds for their party), 4) lower gasoline, and fuel oil prices (and it’s gone up how much since that promise was made last election cycle?), and 5) be more ethical than previous Congresses.
What did I miss? Oh, yeah…6) talk to world leaders to lower the risk of war (hasn’t worked), and 7) eliminate poverty in our lifetimes (now it’s world poverty).
The “D” after their names no longer stands for anything other than DECEITFUL!
The Democrats won congressional seats in 2006 promising that they would end the “war” and not support any more war funding. They have not done so. That in itself should demolish whatever little credibility they have left.
Why am I bothering??…but…
LGM, who said this?
“Earlier today, I ordered America’s armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq’s nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.
Their purpose is to protect the national interest of the United States, and indeed the interests of people throughout the Middle East and around the world.
Saddam Hussein must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons.”
Hint: It wasn’t George Bush. See
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/july-dec98/clinton_12-16.html
On May 23rd, 2008 at 9:27 am, lgm said:
I’d take you up on your offer, but I’m still holding my breath waiting for the truth on the Vince Foster case.
It won’t. Like athlete’s foot, jock itch, and my nagging ex wife…no matter what you do, liberal ideology doesnt go away. And there’s no Congressional-strength Gold Bond to cure this problem.
The dems first talking point is their standard mantra of “republicans are doing this!”, and blame us for their own deceptions. This is Liberal Tactics 101.
Sorry, I don’t think that either republicans, nor anyone other than the people who said and supported the statements, should be held responsible.
Personal Responsibility. Go figure.
Now this is the type of comment an ignorant partisan makes. You see, it is ok for the Democrats to lie to its constituants, because a Republican did … What this partisan fails to realize is that the entire universe is not made up of partisans. It is made up of American citizens who deserve better from both parties.
It’s an “exaggeration” that our country was attacked on 9/11?
Ooooh! You’re one of those conspiracy theorist nuts too, huh?
Typical 9/11 truther mode on/
AAARRRRGGHHHH thermite, thermate, THEY SAID PULL IT!!! bush did it cheney operation northwood, DEATH RAYS FROM OUTER SPACE!!! mini nukes, AAAAARRRRRGGHGHHHH Typical 9/11 thurther mode off/
Those are all actual theories I have heard from thruthers. The DNC base.
Does this mean we have to guess what their real plans are for National Security? What else are they not truthful about? They prevent 2 states from voting, lie about the war, lie about stopping NAFTA. These guys call President Bush dumb and inept?
lgm must be Alan Colmes; I mean, the shoe fits.
Let’s see, is tu quoque the phrase I’m looking for?
And Howard Deans reply to this is……..?
It’s a sad day when someone points out the obvious and it becomes news.
Hmmm… I guess I’m now a typical, white, bitter, gun toting, church going person…. who was a very good student of Government.
Say and do anything to get elected…so, what else is new?
It’s the gullible constituents who were dumb enough to believe it.
Nice, ejinva!
Went to the link, and found this quote farther down…
Who knew Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Rove were secretly forcing their wills on Bill Clinton (in absentia?) Heh!!!
He’s just stating the obvious. We’ve known it all along. Watch when they tell a bald faced lie on camera and their lie is exposed by previous video and audio clips. They just continue on as if nothing happened and their liberal supporters close their ears and minds and call it a distraction from the Right.
The “lie” isn’t the worst part of this, of course it was clear that the demos couldn’t stop the war and they all knew it….and lied….What has escaped them completely is that the war SHOULDN’T have been stopped…
The really sad part is the sheepole will continue to do it. One issue is all it take for them.
Other big lies from Republicans:
The Social Security Trust Fund is bankrupt (or about to be or seriously thinking about being, …). Actually, the Social Security Trust fund is projected to last just fine form many years and need a little more money to keep it going as far as we can do projections. The Medicare trust fund is in much worse shape.
The war in Iraq is against Al Qaeda.
The price of gas will go down if we: (1) cut the gas tax (2) drill more (3) bomb Iran or Venezuela.
And that was like 3 years before they were even in office!!
#55 is:
Off topic.
Lying.
Wasting his and our time.
So because you say the Republicans lie or exagerate, it is ok for Democrats to do the same thing. Is this your concept of morality also?
#56 and lgm still has yet to show any lies from the Republicans.
On the other hand, lgm has shown he can repeatedly lie about what the Republicans have said…
I hope they are lying about implementing universal healthcare…..please be lying about universal healthcare.
Neal Boortz has a completely unrelated post about this guy today.
You don’t have to hold your breath at all to wait for a Dem to get caught in a lie, misrepresentation, or my favorite, the infamous Dukakian “oversight” do you? If you want to hold your breath, you could do so in anticipation of the MSM reporting it…
If you want “exaggerated,” try examining the reasons Democrats gave after the fact for not invading.
Inconvenient fact: they all saw the same information (foreign governments as well), and all came to the same conclusion based on the information they had at the time.
It is incumbent on the president to assume the worst possible scenario, particularly after something like 9/11.
It just eats away at your soul (unless you are an atheist of course) that significant progress is being made in that country, isn’t it?
To be a useful assistant in the running of a totalitarian state,
therefore, a man must be prepared to break every moral rule he
has ever known if this seems necessary to achieve the end set for
him.
F.A Hayek, The Road to Serfdom
Read the condensed version here:
http://www.iea.org.uk/files/upld-publication43pdf?.pdf
On May 23rd, 2008 at 10:40 am, lgm said:
Sounds great! So now there’s no reason not to make President Bush’s tax cuts permanent.
The Iraq war IS against Al Qaida – and everyone else there who wishes to do us harm, namely IRAN!
You misstated Pelosi’s 2006 speech: the quote is “Gas prices will go down if you elect a Democrat majority.” We need look no further than the nearest gas station to know the veracity of that little ditty, now do we?
The gigantic, typically Democrat, flaws
in this plan is that corporations don’t pay taxes, people do.
They will just pass the taxes onto us in increased prices. The government will simply get even more money than they do now per gallon of fuel, speeding our downward slide into a European style socialism.
Isn’t it one of those classical definitions of insanity wherein you do the same thing over and over again expecting different results?
Savage is right, liberalism is a mental disease.
Lets see,
1/ I have see many projections from both sides that SS will fail. The argument is how long it will take to fail, not if. So if its a lie, the DNC is in on it as well.
2/ The war in Iraq is partialy against al qeada. Again even the DNC agrees, but disagrees what to do about al qeada in iraq. Part of obamas plan for iraq includes leaving troops there to attack al qeada in iraq. Is he lying as well?
3/a/ Well yeah if we cut the gas tax, the price will go down. Duh. The argument is is weither or not it will stay down or if it will be enough.
b/ Drilling more will decrease the cost of oil because it increases supply. See economics 101.
c/ NOBODY is saying bombing Iran or Venezuela will lower oil prices. In fact nobody is saying we should bomb Venezuela at all.
Where do you get this crap??? (to the others, sorry, couldn’t let it go unchallanged.
Working from those Democrat talking points, huh, lgm?
But, you guys really should make sure everyone is on the same page…
If you’ve nothing better to do, as I suspect you do not, you might like to peruse the Social Security Trustees’ “sobering report“, as Marshall put it.
lgm,
Since I am sitting home today relaxing while thinking about the kids overseas risking their lives for us and appreciating the freedoms I still have thanks to their sacrifices I will answer your comment on Social Security. You need to do your home work Jonathon Livingston Seagull and understand who the hell screwed with the trust fund that was supposed to protect the Social Security system. It is not a trust fund it is now part of the General Fund made possible by a Democrat Congress, which they have used for the past few decades as their personal slush fund. Social Security ceased to become a trust fund the day they smoked this past the American taxpayers. This is why entitlements eat up most of the annual federal budget with only a small amount going to discretionary accounts. Now go leave your droppings some place else and I hope I used enough small words for you to understand.
…and might I add, LGM, taken from one of your own “august” publications…
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1624697,00.html
They must be lying too, huh.
Well, good for you! You stick with that, lgm, and DO NOT INVEST ON YOUR OWN! Social Security makes generous returns on it’s investments, much better than you could do in the private sector!
Are you including this as a Rebuplican lie, or is this your opinion?
The war with Iraq IS over, but the war on terror continues, and Al Qaeda, who is not only in Iraq, but scattered throughout the region, remains a target to eliminate.
Okay, now your straying in to the realm of delusion! Gas…$4.00/ gal. – .40 cents gas tax= $3.75/ gal. DOWN! Drill for oil in known deposits off our coasts, in ANWR, and West of the Rockies, which will ultimately INCREASE supply, thus REDUCING THE PRICE PER GALLON of gas.
I have never heard a Republican make the argument that bombing Iran or Venezuela will reduce gas prices. I HAVE heard, however, liberal piss-ants claim that is what Republicans want to do. How will removing those countries oil supplies off the market, even temporarily, reduce the price of oil? Lame, bro. Lame!
Keep the bag over your head, plug your iPod into your ears, and continue to read your propaganda sources. You’ll do just fine…maybe…no, you’ll live a long life with that chip on your shoulder, chanting the liberal mantra..”BAAA, baaa, baaaaahahaha…it’s not fair!!!” (Yes, that was my attempt to blend a sheep’s bleat in to a whiney cry…just in case you didn’t get it.
)
Politicians lying to get into office? This can’t be real, they’re the most honest people I ever met.
September 11th was horrible no matter what or what didn’t occur. So I’m a Dem, so I guess my theory is this:
The Québécois who were unable to declare their independence from Canada, so they had the events to happen, in order to get a large number of Canadian troops out of the country, to better their position when the time is right for their revolution. It also would change the government back to a more liberal mind set and force it to think of the external and less on the internal, while other garner support for a Free Quebec.
as de Gaulle Said:
That’s not even close to the silliest conspiracy theory I have ever heard. Can we stop saying Dem theories and just say insane folk?
First rule I learned as a young lad: If a POL says it is raining out, open the door and stick your hand out. They don’t know any better!!!
Bomb iran to reduce oil prices. Dumb. First thing they would do is start sinking oil tankers in the perisan gulf. The price of oil wouldn’t even pause as it passed 200 a barrel.
Lgm thinks that ISLAMIST walking into crowded markets and blowing up Iraqi citizens are “FREEDOM FIGHTERS”.
LGM thinks we should “BUY AMERICAN”, but not American oil.
LGM thinks that the GOVERNMENT taking yours and your employers money every pay period in the name of SOCIAL SECURITY and then spending on PORK PROJECTS and failed social experiments is ok.
Why the blithering moron supports failed liberal agendas is clear. He’s a misfit and a loser. He actually believes Social Security isn’t bankrupt.
He is actually THAT STUPID.
Now THAT is the lie. “A little bit more money to last (in) just fine form for many years?” Can I quote you on that in a few years? Will you pay me the difference, since it will only be “a few dollars?”
While Bush was on the correct track with his proposals (as opposed to the Democrat keep-on-with-the-giant-Ponzi-scheme approach), he should have emulated the Galveston model (summarized nicely at http://www.ncpa.org/ba/ba215.html; read it and weep). This program has only been in existence since 1981 (taking advantage of a loophole the Democrats benevolently closed for the rest of us),
and is working SUPERBLY, with an average retiree receiving an average of 3 to 5 TIMES as much money per month.
But hey, SS is great.
If not, they why are they there and getting their butts kicked?
While bombing countries seems to be the solution provided by a rather wet behind the ears Obambi, it is indisputable that cutting the gas tax would lower the price (how could it not do so? I know, you say the dreaded oil companies will just absorb the difference by increasing the cost at the pump, right? Funny how that approach never seems to apply when you are talking about the “windfall profits tax.”
Drilling more would make oil available that is not otherwise so. How can you dispute the simplest concept of supply and demand. Add to that the fact that it would not be under the control of OPEC (unless we joined for some stupid reason), and it all starts to fit together, doesn’t it?
Do they even have windows in your ivory tower? Do they provide any protein in your diet? Do they have holes to let in air?
lgm,
if you look at the statement, the fallacy is revealed.
The SS is a *projection*. The money isnt ACTUALLY there. I can project i’ll have a million dollars by the time i’m 40, and can base it on pay from work, investments…but that certainly doesnt mean i’m going to have it. i lose a job, an investment loses money…projections dont mean a thing. Hope in one hand, crap in the other, and see which fills up first.
The price of gas would, in fact go down, if taxes were cut. take 10 cents off the tax. gas goes down 10 cents. i know you’re a math professor. this should be obvious. the market dictates these things.
The war in iraq has evolved to include elements of al qaeda, but…your statement is misleading purposely. if i agreed that your statement was correct, it would mean we went there because of al qaeda only. And there is evidence emerging that weapons saddam had were moved to places such as syria, etc.
Wish ihad time to go link research, but work is busy
#30 Misscheryl.
If we put our flag in the middle east, LIBS wouldn’t let us drill there.
Hey, Diogenes – you can put out your lamp now, we’ve found an honest man.
Other Republican lies:
lgm is smart
lgm has a brain
lgm is right about everything
lgm is a great man
The price of oil has gone up 125 percent in 1 year (from 61 to 133 dollars a barrel). Based on this I project it will be 310 dollars a barrel in 2009, 700 dollars a barrel in 2010 and 1500 dollars a barrel in 2011. Of course the price of gas will be about 20 dollars per gallon.
And of course the inflation rate will still be about 3 percent
John Murtha promised before the surge that Democrats would inflict a “slow bleed” on our war effort. We would continue the pre- surge policy with slowly increasing death tolls which would make voters even more hostile to the war. The war issue would help Democrats win more seats in Congress to end the war.
Cutting off funds would make the Democrats look bad, but the “slow bleed” would give them political cover and make the Republicans look worse . The surge ruined their plans, and now, they are covering themselves with hints they never would have abandoned our troops and taken our country to defeat.
Iraq became as Al Quaeda said, the main war front against the West. Now that they are being defeated, they have trouble attracting volunteers willing to meet heavenly virgins. No thanks to the Democratic leaders.
When I ran my cursor over the above comments, hidden messages revealed themselves…
lgm is smart-challenged
lgm has a brain disorder
lgm is self-righteously indignant about everything
lgm is a ____ man not burdened with testosterone
How’d you do that?
DEMOCRATS LIED, PEOPLE DIED!!!
ROFLMAO
I almost choked on the Hot Pocket I am eating for lunch!
*chuckle*
honestly, i dont think the marketplace would support that price of gas. something would give before then..i would hope anyway.
Can we list other LIB lies.
“Ah did not have sex shoe all relations with that woman Mizz Lewinsky”.
“Ahhh fell your pain”
Next up….Tom Harkin….and his flying circus.
What stops Lgm and the rest of his misfit clan of liberal morons from moving to North Korea. I mean they’ve got all of his needs covered.
In response to Representative Paul Kanjorski from Pennsylvania, and democrats in general, I am proposing a “Reasonable Debt Board” in which private industry will determine whether or not governmental overspending is excessive.
Here are the basics:
* The “Goose Meets Gander” Act would penalize governmental windfall debt.
* The bill would set up a Reasonable Debt Board to determine when governmental overspending is in excess, and then penalize them for those windfall debts.
* As federal, state and local windfall overspending increases, so would the penalties for those governments.
* This legislation will encourage governments to lower spending to prevent them from receiving higher penalties.
Brian, that logic is the same as taxing Oil Companies more.
The Government paying fines would be US paying fines.
The Oil Companies paying “windfall taxes” is US paying windfall taxes.
Why should the federal government be the beneficiary of a punishment on Oil Companies? It’s twisted lib-think.
Is it me or does this lgm run in with comments that have nothing to do with the post and then when someone gives him correct answers he changes to another subject without answering to the lies and false information he posted? I think lgm might be Michelle ( i am too elite for you) Obama. They act almost the same. When called on something they want to run away and pout or call someone racist. I think we need to be more like mother nature intended.
Weed out the ignorant and weak. Works for animals in nature. Why are we not following their example since the liberals are into nature so much i think we need to follow natures example more….. LOL
LGM needs to back up some of his claims. If he tried he would find that they are lies. I don’t blame him or think he is dumb, just badly informed.
Has anyone ever seen lgm and Michelle (don’t know how I make it in America) Obama in the same room at the same time?
Suspicious….
I almost forgot: that is called “crapping on the thread.”
You want to ignore him, but it is so very easy to counter his liberal ramblings that you almost feel obligated to crush him, just for the typing practice (my speed has gone up appreciably!)
You have to wonder what he thinks he is accomplishing…