What happens when we win?
There’s an interesting question posed in this David Ignatius WaPo article about the strategic side of the National Counterterrorism Center–what happens when we beat Al Qaeda?
The analysts discussed several of the “nightmares” that might arise in this world where Muslim rage continued but without the discipline of a controlling central organization.
“My doomsday scenario, aside from weapons of mass destruction, is personalized jihad,” explained one analyst. “Everyone gets to do it on their own. Anyone can take a knife and stab someone in the back.”
A related concern is the devolution of targeting. With al-Qaeda, targets were selected to meet certain criteria of economic and symbolic importance. But as U.S. counterterrorism operations disrupt al-Qaeda, one analyst noted, “that pushes targeting down in the ranks.”
The analysts recall the anxiety produced by the Washington area sniper attacks in October 2002, in which random shootings by John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo created a fear that nearly paralyzed the region. That illustrates the damage that personalized jihad could do.
That excerpt makes it sound like it’s a gloom-and-doom why-even-bother article, but it’s not–these are just fair questions. Administrating the peace is every bit as important as winning the war, as the history of a badly drawn peace after WWI shows.
I tend to think beating Al-Qaeda will have benefits around the world the aren’t immediately apparent. The sort of Muhammad/Malvo “personalized jihad” they mention is horrifying and disruptive, but let’s face it: those two bozos aren’t really capable of stealing a nuclear warhead from Pakistan, shipping it into a U.S. port or urban center undetected, and detonating it (even as a dirty bomb). An international organization like Al Qaeda–when it’s not cowering in caves dodging daisy cutters and trying to stay alive–can.
In other words, I think crippling Al Qaeda is like crippling an undetectable, undeterrable, nearly untraceable nuclear/chem/bio missile launcher aimed at the West, or Israel. By finishing them off, the nuclear tension in the region might be taken down a notch.
Of course, there are many other groups like Hezbollah and Hamas that can move in and take their place…
Al Qaeda’s support flows from deep ideological springs; unless they can be stanched something new will take its place. I’m very glad to see those NCTC eggheads looking beyond the end of Al Qaeda and considering what fresh horror radical Islam may try to release upon the world.
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We have to keep fighting liberal lunacy that enables the radicals. That’s an even longer harder fight.
W
My first thought is the rule of Law. However, we cannot even claim that for our nation anymore and one nation cannot just overpower another and impose their laws upon them. Laws are based upon beliefs and therefore must be of, by, and for the people. Unfortunately, the Muslim beliefs from the Koran do not allow for a democracy. Islam is not just a religion it is also a political (people ruling) system that requires its adherents to forcefully impose themselves on others.
We do what we always do, stand up, dust ourselves off.
Honor our fallen.
Offer our former adversaries the oportunity to rejoin the peaceful nations of the world.
Then go on with the rest of our lives, always aware that out there, just over the horizion, lies the next challenge.
We’re Americans, that’s what we do….
If the current trend of progress in Iraq holds, I wonder if the libs’ strategy of “Iraq is a failure, so let’s cut and run,” will ever evolve into a new strategy of “ok, ok, we won…so let’s go home already!”
While a pleasant thought, the notion of “defeating” Al Qaeda any time soon ignores the realities of the Islamic world.
One needs to look no further than the videos we have all seen of the youngest of children begging their indoctrination if hate at a very early age. Babies dressed up as suidice bombers, schools teaching that Israel and the West must be destroyed as a matter of religious duty to a god that demands it to assure one’s place in paradise.
Radical Islam, not just Al Qaeda, is the real threat. There have been many radical Islamic groups over the years operating under many different names but with the same philosophy. Al Qaeda just happens to be one of the newest and the one focused on the west as a target rather than Israel.
If Israel falters and folds, then Al Qaeda will be joined by other radical Islamic groups like Hamas and Hezbollah in their battle on the Western Front.
The west will not be free from the threat until a generation arises in the Islamic world that is not brainwashed into believing it is god’s command to eliminate the United States. That is a long time off.
begging their indoctrination if hate
Should be “beginning their indoctrination of hate”…
The whole personal jihad notion has always happened and will always happen. It is not just Muslim Jihadi’s either. You could say that serial killers cause the same kind of terror in communtiies as Muhammad/Malvo did, but as you pointed out their ability to have any huge operational success relies on a network of people not just the indivdual that blows himself/herself up.
After we win, and we will, we then watch for the next anti-western hate group to stick out its pointy little head and blow it off too. You know the Rage Boys will never truly calm down. Their goal as stated is to wipe out American culture and start over with a pure Islam belief system. Oh no, they’re not done with us.
Let’s “win” first, then consider the consequences…And by “win” I mean “defeat”, not just “declare”….Since al queda is not just a raghead group, but a cowardly ideology, a “win” is very hard to define…Like cancer, one cell left un-DEAD, may return…Therefor, our American penchant for “fair play” is going to require some adjustment, even as the leftward liberal agenda binds our military might much to our peril…Yet, our sons and daughters are prevailing on this Memorial Day…tho…Some have fallen…My flag flies for them all…God Bless our American Heroes…each and every one!!
In case anyone ever wonders why terrorism and Islam have so much in common, one only has to read their Bible/Qur’an. Mohammed was a warlord who had this book written to justify his acts and organize his warriors for generations to come. But the most disturbing facts I found are in the Hadiths, these are the written words of Mohammed, his family and his follower at the time of his conquests. The most famous Hadith is the Bukhari. On Mohammed’s death bed his last words still ring true today. Which brings up the question we all face today 1400 years later…..
“How can Islam condone terrorism?” Mohammed was Islam’s first terrorist, and Muslims strive to be like Mohammed. They are simply following Mohammed’s example. Mohammed proclaimed on his death bed. “I have been made victorious with terror.” (Bukhari, Vol 4,52 #220)
As John Ashcroft once stated,
“Islam is a religion in which Allah requires you to send your son to die for him. Christianity is a faith in which God sent his son to die for you.”-John Ashcroft
Here are a few instructions in the Qur’an, and there are many many more than this.
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Kill the disbelievers, take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them. Qur’an 4:89
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“O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Qur’an 5:51
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So make those who believe stand firm. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger. Qur’an 8:12
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Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. Qur’an 9:29
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Just remember folks, they want you gone so their hidden Imam can come back and bring paradise to the world, and that won’t happen until they have rid the world of the non believers anyway possible, and the end does justify the means.
Good Luck and remember this weekend those who have put their lives on the line to defend your freedom. KC
I don’t think radical Islam violence will ever completely go away. However, if moderate Muslims will rise up worldwide and say stop the murder, it would do much to make the radicals impotent. Sadly, I don’t see that happening, because I have yet to come to the belief that the so-called Islamic moderates don’t support the radicals to some extent.
When we win, then history will once again reflect a successful Crusade against islam and their murderous ilk.
When we win, there will certainly be another challenge on which only the United States can, or will, lead the charge. The world has never been without conflict of some sort, and as Americans, we seem to be more willing than others to assist nations, right down to the individuals, by entering the fray.
Perhaps it is always about the money, perhaps not, but I really cannot see that the vast majority of people have been worse off for our help.
Of course, the times (I know of) that large numbers of people were worse off, was when the liberals were able to maneuver us into a retreat. If this is not the case, I stand to be enlightened.
See-Dubya,
Once again we are ignoring history. Did you know that after the war was over in Germany it took an additiona seven years to finally get control of the country? Same thing with Japan. Heck didn’t they find someone on a Pacific Island in the ’70s or ’80’s?
No reconstruction phase goes easy. Remember we are working with people who have been told how terrible the Americans are and how we eat babies, rape, pillage and plunder. When we don’t it is not enough. We have to show them that we are there to assist them. I saw it first hand in Afghanistan. And by doing what I needed to do, work with the local population to rebuild the country and do it in such a manner that it did not feel to them like I was treading on their culture or history.
As long as these people have their “murder manual” aka the Koran, we have to remain vigilant. Some cell or pod will pop up and take a swipe at us and our allies around the world. Not a very pleasant thought but that is how it will be. We can’t wait for the more moderate Muslims to take a stand.
This will end only a chapter in the war on terror. As stated by many here above, there is much more to contend with than this fraction of radical Islam.
This may be the 100 year war everyone fears, but the only way to make it worse or longer is to not be vigilant.
I just read two articles on WND on this subject. The first, dated yesterday, said 13 arab nations have decided they need nuclear material. Iran has had such success doing so without much happening, they want some too. Second, dated yesterday, warned when the new president is sworn in, to be alert for muslims doing what they did after bc second month in office 2/93, WTC. Bush was in office less than a year of 9/11. Gives us something to think about in Nov. These people hate America and the Jewish people and will die trying to kill as many of us as they can.
L
Al-Qaeda isnt the problem… its Islam…
We won the cold war and for awhile it looked like we had a Russian pal, now look at how Russia has distanced herself from us even buddying up to China.
Yep, it’s good that higher-ups are thinking about what happens next.
However, I’d feel even better about it if I knew for certain that the folks doing the ‘thinking’ were apolitical - you know, what’s best for the country……
Hey, KCtheKat - Ashcroft, he be the man!!
Defeating alkayda is similar to defeating the SS deaths head division during WWII. It doesn’t defeat the other SS groups, it doesn’t defeat the Nazis and it doesn’t defeat Germany. In islam there are many groups and this is how I see them. The Islamist fanatics, The islamist supporters, The islamist believers, The islamist sympathizers, The islamist tag-a longs and finally last and least the islamist moderates. There’s only one way to defeat the islamists and that is to totally discredit the ideology. Any kind of reaching out any type of validation only strengthens the cause. They attribute everything we do or don’t do that helps propel the ideology as allahs will, a blessing. Everything.
Expat, you’re right about those Japanese Soldiers. They didn’t believe the people who found them, they were ready to continue on with their fight. I had an Uncle who has since passed away who was part of the Death March. When that story came out, one of my cousin’s said something about it being a hoax or something and he said that after being their “guest” and going on a diet he really didn’t think he needed he believed that story. I think it was in the late 70’s or something.
I wish there was a “beginning of the end” of Islamoterrorism but I think it’s wishful thinking.
The fact of the matter is that AQ in Iraq is essentially defeated. Most of the AQ were actually strap-hangers that signed on the Jihad wagon and jumped off again quickly when the foreign-fighters and true believers got killed. After that, they would lay low in the neighborhood and then the locals would tell us who had been AQI, at which point we would detain them. They have little ability to take the initiative away from the American or Iraqi security, and are only able to perform periodic spectacular attacks to keep themselves in the news and intimidating.
What happens next? As the Dems sneeringly deride, stay the course, while the country slowly but surely rebuilds. We knew all along that this would be a long process; look at all counterinsurgencies. As for the larger scale of the world fight, Semper Vigilans as the Coast Guard would say: Always Vigilant. Fight or die until an equilibrium is attained through isolation, globalization, energy independence, European capitulation, or whatever else creates a degree of seperation or accomodation between Middle East and West.
I remember watching the first tower fall & thinking things will never be the same again… when I finally got through (on the phone) to my mother (who lived through the Nazi occupation) I was shocked by her reaction. She basically made light of the situation, saying to effect, oh they blew up some buildings, that’s what happens in a war, get over it.
I then realized that things are exactly the same (again).
Choose any name you want for it, but evil does exist. It always has & short of divine intervention, always will. All that we can do is to except the fact & prepare to fight it as it reveals itself.
May God bless those who have fallen doing so.
VDH has explained the value of victory. One of those values is that those sitting on the fence go with the victors as if they were always our friends and the losers are discredited. Losing the Iranian Embassy emboldened our enemies and led to the Lebanon Marine Barracks attack, Khobar Towers, the USS Cole and 911. We have a chance to reverse that.
We’ll never win. They’ll just move on to a different tactic for assimilation of the World’s population. For example, they’ll refocus their efforts in the USA via supporting the ACLU.
oBORGama in 08, be ready to assimilate.
Canada.
It’s time to teach those hoseheads a lesson.
After Al-Qaeda?
We go find our next enemy.
to Jim M
. I am afraid you are right. If this President, or Obama, or Clinton 2 are in power, then, just like Vietnam, we will “declare victory” and go home. And those stupid enough to think the US political class would stand by them will, just like Vietnam, turn or be hunted down for barbaric executions.
And after the US State department has imported enough additional jihadis, they will strike again.
And fewer will stand with US each next time.
Must the struggle between Islam and the “infidels” end only by the extermination of one or the other, or both? What other solution comes to mind? Can it really be the only one?
Hey lets send this guy in GRIN
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Melungeons marginalized but never absent from the American Fabric.
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What happens if I win the Boston Marathon?
We’re barely even fighting Al Qaeda. Most of the people we’re fighting in Iraq are not Al Qaeda, and most of Al Qaeda is not in Iraq. You can fantasize about us beating them but we won’t actually do it unless we change strategy. Obama has Bush’ and McCain’s number on this.
If this election goes left,congress also,I think we will see what the Jihad has in store.
LGM, I agree with you on this. However, Iraq is the center of gravity, and focus of their efforts against us because it is the only place that they are able to rally anyone to actually fight us. The result is three-fold: 1) they don’t fight us anywhere else (except Afghanistan); 2) their fighters die spectacularly for their cause; and, 3) the end result is that, as a result of their tactics, support for AQ and their tactics amongst moderate muslims (such as they are) has gone done greatly over the last few years as they see the indiscriminate killing that goes on in their name. Sounds like a win, win, win to me. That said, what is the Obama strategy that you espouse? Does it have anything that is synonomous with capitulate, quit, appease, surrender, give up, leave, etc in it? I would sure like to hear what the donkey plan is because there are only two options: win, or lose. I opt for some form of win, even if winning is quantified only as some guys saying, “hey, you remember when al qaeda used to bomb people all the time? Anyone heard of them lately?” As President Bush alluded to the other day, no one is going to suddenly come up with a new strand of logic that will get them all to play nicely.
RE: Post #32
The argumnet of the libs is that Islamofacist terror can be beaten strictly with a law enforement approach and not a military one.
The previous would work IF we had strong extradition treaties with the countries that these scum hide in…The problem is that these countries harbor these scum, if not provide funding for their operations….thus making a miltary solution inevitable and desirable.
I will agree, lgm, that Al Qaeda was not the principal player in Iraq-it is just one of many such like-minded orgs. I will even agree that Bush went in with at best convoluted intelligence about WMDs and completely missed the ball about the insurgency despite the fact we liberated them from Saddam. But do I still support the initial reason for going into Iraq? yes-what I don’t support is the CYA after the fact by Bush, along with his delusional John McCain-like fancy with political correctness with respect to muslims and border security in general….Either we have a threat or we don’t.
In that sense I agree with lgm -Obama could walk on this issue because John McCain and George Bush themselves have been less than serious on hte subject (remember the DHS follies at Halloween?)
If you think we can’t win by beating Al Qaeda, what exactly is your definition of losing? Letting Al Qaeda win?
Al Qaeda has long ago been beaten. The radical terrorist groups which have popped up calling themselves Al Qaeda are Al Qaeda in name only. They want the advantage of an established brand of terror and Al Qaeda, beaten to a pulp by America and its allies, is happy to lend its name to any Muslim terrorists anywhere to maintain an illusion of vigor. Yet, the only thing that the remnant of Al Qaeda can do is distribute propaganda videos and audio tapes. They’re beaten, dead men walking.
Islamic terror will sputter on because Islamic doctrine demands it from its faithful. The current campaign of terror is a continuation of the jihad Islam has waged against the world since its inception thirteen centuries ago.
Yet, incidents of terror, at least successful terror, by Muslims has diminished. It seems pretty obvious that for terrorists to be successful they need the support of a state, like Saudi Arabia or Iran or Iraq. It looks like such support has become too dangerous and has been largely withdrawn. Terrorism against Clinton’s America carried little risk of retaliation while terror against Bush’s America risks the loss of your entire country.
However, the most obvious course of action to mortally wound Islamic terrorism is to strike at the heart of its support: Saudi Arabia. The current wave of terror springs from the $80 billion Saudi Arabia have put into spreading their Wahhabi death cult around the world. If you sever the financial link between the House of Saud which governs Saudi Arabia and the clerics in the House of Wahhab, most Islamic terror cells would whither on the vine.
We should return the Saudi jihad to their doorsteps. We should cease granting Saudis sanctuary in their country to mass murder Americans in our offices and airliners. When Saudi attacks are followed by reciprocal attacks on Saudi Arabia, Saudi support for the jihad will cease. If a Saudi city is reduced to rubble for every American building they destroy, they will find the exchange to their disadvantage.
Review the history of the Japanese, who delivered similar suicide attacks on America to extend the empire of their fanatic Emperor-worship. Reciprocating their attacks a hundred times over made pacifists of them. A similar lesson should be applied to the Saudis.
“Obama has Bush’ and McCain’s number on this.”
Yeah, sure… that master strategy tactician.
He will hammer AQ with hope, change and GDAmerica(all 57 states).
mildly OT, why are Obama’s “Bushisms” (like having visited 57 of the states but not one yet) cute where W’s are reprehensible?
A better question for this thread might be, what happens when we lose?
If you’re going to enable the election of either Shrillary or Barry by throwing your vote or even worse - not voting at all - you might as well remove the word “win” from your vocabulary.
c
I don’t know that this belongs here but, did anyone see Jesse Ventura on TV a couple of nights back? He is about as crazy as Rosie O’Donnel with his Twin Towers theories.
RE: #39
Irish Rose, there isn’t really a difference between the R and D presidential candidates this year.
The only task that is left is figuring out which liberal is the least effective against conservatives, and keeping him or her from walking in.
lgm,I guess you are one of those that would revel in the US losing a war.You can fire back at me about Viet Nam.We didn’t lose that one,your little party tucked tail and quit,leaving the lambs to the slaughter.
RE: #41
Oops —I mean keep out the most effective liberal from the white house
Barack makes Hillary seem like an American hero in comparison. It doesn’t matter in the long run though the dems are the modern fascists. We see it in congress with their mid stream rules changes, their threats to have other peoples reps removed from their rightful places on committees and of course in this nomination process. The existence of supreme-delegates, individuals that have more power than entire states like Florida and Michigan[.?.] The whole party is about control, control of the minions (US citizens). The difference is Barack is a tool of the jihad his policies perpetuate centuries more of islamist aggression but islamist terrorists are not the only ones who are hoping for him to win. Say what you want about Hillary but the same thing cannot be said about her, big events change people in big ways. Hillary if nothing else is her own woman and she knows how she wants to be remembered in the history books and nobody better get in her way, I wouldn’t.
docflash,
Don’t worry we have been busy rewriting history the way it should be written. That history is that the Vietnam War was a worthy cause undermined by much of the same people we see trying to undermine us today. Trouble is once we Americans have seen something once it isn’t so easy to do it to us again.
No terror attacks since 9-11.
We had all kinds of terror under Clinton while he was getting some action in the Oval Office.
Obama? His grand idea is to send military into Pakistan, a country with nuclear weapons, and some leaders there would love to see a nuke on US soil as much as the San Fran liberals would.
Why does no one ever count the anthrax attacks?
lgm’s idea of victory is having BO as POTUS and then having BO pulling the troops out and throwing away all of the hard work our forces have accomplished. Oh, wait, lgm has seen no progress. BO will be the next man with millions dead on his conscience. That is a victory liberals CAN live with.
Re: lgm #32 “You can fantasize about us beating them but we won’t actually do it unless we change strategy.”.
Typical, change strategy, but no plan as to what to change it to… Hmmm maybe if we gave them all free health care & hot lunches, is that what you had in mind?
MY IDEA for changing strategy is rather more specific… first we start at home.
The kind of change we need is exactly what we are seeing. Slowly, one labeled as offensive word, one assassination remark, one oil exec calling bs on congress at a time we are regaining our country. You see, the number one thing that has contributed to the state we are in is our remaining silent. Through what could be considered bully tactics we have kept our mouths shut and the idiotic policies and philosophies have not been countered. We started to remain silent several decades ago and the result is predictable. For fear of offending someone somewhere nothing important gets discussed and when something unimportant gets discussed it is never done so truthfully. The first amendment is the first amendment for a reason and it is long past time to start calling bs on bs. Also worth noting is the fact that this is how we defeat the islamists and they know it. Why do you think they holler loudest when we begin to discuss it? Above all else there can be no discussion islam cannot survive free and open speech and that’s why authors cartoonists and film makers must die.
Actually, I think the Dem plan is to have cuddle parties with the terrorists. Although this will be meant to increase understanding and harmony amongst all people, in the end the terrorists just might capitulate to avoid further parties.
I am pretty convinced at this point that Bush understands that the problem is with not just al-Qaeda but with the ideology behind it, though he may not identify the problem as Islam, per se (admittedly, the situation is a little more complicated than “Islam has always taught Jihad”). If so, he is way ahead of the folks in this article - our strategy up to this point has been to “drain the swamp,” invade and reform the countries deemed most dangerous to us so that the source of men and supplies to our foes would dry up.
Here in Asheville, there a signs throughout the area marking “Rutherford’s Trace.” The story is this: In 1776, the Cherokee went to war with the settlers who were encroaching on their territory. The settlers found it impossible to stop the raids - there was too much territory to cover. The Cherokee could strike where they pleased, and and so long as they evaded any force big enough to beat them they were pretty much invulnerable (their defeat at Hanging Rock, I believe, was due to overconfidence and accepting battle from an equal force). The settlers responded by attacking - several groups marched simultaneously deep into the Appalachian Mountains, the biggest led by Rutherford, and attacked the Cherokee villags, burning their homes and crops. The Cherokee sued for peace a few months later.
Another story - In late 1944 or early 1945 (I forget the exact date), the US Navy was faced with trying to deal with the kamikaze attacks from Japan. It proved impossible to stop them completely, since they tended to attack in swarms and while numbers were shot down by both anti-aircraft fire and defending fighter aircraft, it proved impossible to always kill them all before they dived home. One kamikaze could sink a ship. The person who was asked to solve the problem came up with the “Big Blue Blanket” strategy - to keep the Japanese airfields under constant attack so that the kamikaze attacks could never get off the ground. I don’t think it was a complete success, but it helped enough that we could keep pressing on towards Japan.
It seems to me that on 9/11 we faced a similar strategic situation - against us was an enemy that, were the initiative left up to him, could strike anywhere. Unless we turned the US into a police-state we really could not stop them. The attacker would inevitably get through at some point. Sealing ourselves off from the world wasn’t an option, nor was doing nothing. Bush chose the third way - to attack, deprive the enemy of his base and logistical support and at the same time (hopefully) to change the conditions that led to the rise of al-Qaeda in the first place. I am not sure that succeeded, but I believe the basic idea was both sound and responsible - not to simply put off the threat long enough that it would no longer be his responsibility, but to get his hands dirty and try to deal with the problem once and for all. He didn’t have to all this after all - he could have just bombed, or staged a quick invasion and a quick pull-out that would been popular but ultimately done nothing.
Because no one knows who committed them. It was initially blamed on domestic terrorism, not al-Qaeda and Friends. Don’t know what they are thinking now…
In any case, as I recall it came so soon after 9/11 that it can’t really be said to enter the equation of whether or not the strategy worked.
Yeah we wouldn’t know because it has basically been ignored. Kinda like the search for OBL.
But hey, what’s a little bio-terror? Nothing to lose any sleep about.
Actually it has not been ignored as you claim. Here is a link to a March 2008 story stating that the FBI has narrowed the investigation down to four suspects.
Perhaps if you would actually pay attention to the news and not just the ravings on the daily KOS you would have known this.
And do not get me started on OBL. How many times did the CLinton Administration have him targeted and call it off at the last minute? There was even at least one time where a foreign government was willing to give exact information on OBL’s whereabouts to the US and hold him there for us to pick him up, but Clinton was too busy dealing with his scandal to be bothered. It would sure be nice to know what documents Sandy Burger stuffed in his pants. Kind of convienient that the only copies of some documents (only Sandy Berger and the Clinotns know what they are) were destroyed during the 9/11 commission hearings.
“When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” - Thoughts on the Cause of Present Dicontents by Edmund Burke
Usually paraphrased as: “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.”
The day that bad men stop working together to snuff out freedom and liberty will be the day we can ask the question “what now?”. That day has never happened yet in recorded human history, and no man knows the day or the hour for whence that scenario will come to fruition.
And look at what good ol’ Jihad Jimmy Carter is up to now.
He is basically accusing the US of crimes against humanity in a speech in England.
On May 26th, 2008 at 11:08 am, oldcollegeguy1980 said:
We do what we always do, stand up, dust ourselves off.
OCG, this reminds me of a briefing in the Marine Corps when the Marine presented the brief was repeatedly asked “how” a certain action was going to be accomplished; he replied, “we’re going to do it the same way Marines have always done it; however it works, because that’s what we do!” Thanks for the memory.
It’s the war on terror, not the war on Al Qaeda. Still, if Obama wins in November, it will be the war on nobody. It will be back to being a punching bag while they plan for the next big attack.
Steven Hatfill and the troops in Afghanistan and parts of Pakistan would be interested to learn that those 2 things have “basically been ignored”, because they didn’t know.
Not sure why some people choose to be willfully stupid. We have wanted people in this country that can’t be found. Hell, the Olympic bomber eluded capture for 5 years by hiding in the mountains of NC, and the Unabomber eluded capture for 18 years. If not for his brother, he’d probably still be on the loose.
It’s not hard to conceive of OBL eluding capture considering he has smarts, cash, resources, and folks willing to give him aid, not to mention any number of countries to choose from that are off limits to us.
I guess what I’m saying, basically, is don’t be an ignorant ass all your life.
As much as news of “Al Qaida on the ropes” strikes us all, they are in no way the largest threat, in terms of the world or Iraq. We should celebrate success, but remain vigilant in our whoopin’ of the bad guys (i.e. Badr Corps, Quds Force, Hamas, Hezbollah, North Korea, China, etc.) A good start to that would be a few more idealists vice whiny, sycophantic pessimists in the State Department, but I digress…
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Carter is behaving VERY self distructive WHY no one ever ask that question, motivators Money,Sex,Ego, people just turn their head when Jimmy Carter speaks because he is a retired President, they don’t want to tarnish the office. Still he is human and there is obviously something going on? A failed Presidency? Is Carter trying to prove something? Here is the problem with intellectualizing every challenge, you fail to act effectively, you spend all the time thinking the “issue” to death. Carter is leaving something important out of the equation “Survival” most human beings have a sense of survival..does intellectualizing everything blunt that “Instinct” ? I don’t think Carter has very good “Instincts” that is my personal opinion, it isn’t about how he makes judgements it is about a lack of basically good Human Instincts. Someone would do the American people a great favor by analyzing what is at the “Core” of Jimmy Carter that makes him Act Out as he does consistently, then publishing their findings. I suspect an inferiority complex.
Since we are wining against Al Qaida, we need to continue to win by keeping Barack Hussein Obama from sitting behind the desk in the whitehouse. Like IRISH ROSE stated, if he goes in the word win will no longer be part of the English language. He has a yellow streak a mile wide on his back, and if that offends you Obummer supporters, so be it. Watch his video where he talks of ending space exploration, which can be used for military purposes, and disarming our military. If that isn’t the sign of a weak-kneed peon, I don’t know what is.
Spain thought they’d give into terror and be safe; they were wrong. B. Hussein Obama wants to appease them, not fight them, and that won’t work either.