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Watch Penn and Teller manage to convince hundreds of leftists to sign a
petition to ban water.

On May 29th, 2008 at 2:00 pm, Soliel said:

I hope the Walrus and Polar bears get protection…especially from those who kill them for selfish reasons. We really need to be better and start respecting other beings more…it doesn’t say much about us when we just go wantonly killing for fun.

Polar bears are doing fine.. don’t worry about them..

are you the type of person who has 80 cats in her home because ‘no one else can give them as good of a home as I’?
while living in 2 feet of cat pooh and smell of urine?

. I think it’s real and from sources I trust, we have about 2 years to get our act together or we will perish. Yeah, that’s right…perish from gases deadly gases coming up from the ocean floor…there is enough to kill all life on earth.

(from earlier)

that is complete BS.. if that was true,
1) island villages would be completely wiped out TODAY.. being in the ocean, they would get the effect of the Ferocious Atlantic Gas first. being a sort of canary in the coalmine..

2) for enough FAG to kill all life on earth in two years.. there would be nothing man can do.. that type of natural event, you are POWERLESS to stop.

3) Do you believe in mother Guia is in the depths, with her finger on the ‘execute’ button unless we stop driving the SUV?

did your sources ask you for money then they can stop the gases? Then you have to look for two more people to believe in the evil gas?

if that gas from the ocean thing is true, and I’m not saying that it’s not, then there is nothing you can do.. not even if everyone in the world stopped and dropped in some alki-seltzer in the ocean at once..

man could not stop that tidal wave in the Indian Ocean that happened.. mankind will not stop some earth altering event..

I can’t help but take issue with a couple of things you’ve brought up.

One thing:

Yeah, that’s right…perish from gases deadly gases coming up from the ocean floor…there is enough to kill all life on earth.

If the deadly gas (Methane) is coming up from the ocean floor, what exactly are we supposed to do about that? (sarc on) Burn it in our cigarette lighters? (sarc off)

For real, if the methane coming out of the ocean was enough to cause death beginning in two or even two hundred years we’d probably be choking already.

And anyway, I’ll repeat: what are we supposed to do about it?

The other thing is that you asked what global warming alarmists have to gain.

P-O-W-E-R. !

The power to regulate behavior that they do not agree with.

With government types, that is the function of government, in their eyes. Government always seeks more and more power for it’s own sake.

As for the weenies that want “green” legislation, they generally just want to participate in getting people to stop doing something they themselves don’t like or agree with.

Remember, most egg-heads think they know more and better than everyone else. In their minds, since they are obviously right about GW, we morons out here must bown down to their doctrine, regardless the efficacy of their information or beliefs.

Do I doubt Global Warming? Did it snow in Baghdad this year?
Everything my senses and common sense tells me is that GW is not real. Every time the temperature fails to support GW, the egg-heads come up with something more and more esoteric to confirm it is happenning. When that, too is challenged, they say we aren’t really smart enough to understand the science behind it.

As for the experts, every time someone on my side of this issue states something that makes sense and debunks GW, the GW worshippers say that expert is not to be believed.

Then why should we believe the “experts” that pitch GW?

DarthKeller (#29) – I haven’t been able to watch Deadliest Catch this season. I’m surprised the Discovery Network left that line in there during editing. If there’s anyone that knows about global warming firsthand, it’s those sailors.

I hate to jump on the bandwagon here, and I will try not to make this sound like an attack on a fellow MM reader. But Soliel — do not tell me to wake up. My eyes are wide open, and my head is sore from the beating alarmists have been inflicting on it. Global warming, global cooling, climate change, global change — the terms keep changing as much as the environment supposedly does. I’m not going to change your mind, so I won’t even try. (Mmm, change. Scrumptious, delicious change. Can you feel it?)

Going green is a cash cow right now. Prominent displays at bookstores and periodical/newspaper racks. Websites galore. News networks. Educational networks. Public television. DVDs. Even entertainment networks (NBC and FOX) and the most popular shows (American Idol). New industries in science, technology, government, education, and energy. Everyone that opens their mouth in public about the coming apocalypse has something to gain.

I recycle. That makes sense.

I turn my lights off when I leave the room. That saves me money. But I can’t stand the light CFLs produce, or the pause upon activation, or the mercury inside the bulbs of which I’m expected to take several miles away to properly dispose.

I try not to drive wastefully. That saves me money.

Let the market decide. We all want to be rid of oil dependency. We’ll have to sooner or later anyway, since we have only a finite amount of oil. Pollution is bad. We know. We got it. If this green movement has been good for anything, it’s made us more conscious of how much energy we waste. But so have oil prices and heating bills. If enough people put up a stink about certain things, some innovative person somewhere will think of a solution. I don’t want the government to force their solution upon us.

I like animals, too. They don’t condescend. They don’t judge. They don’t lecture. They don’t hate. I’m not a fan of furs for means of luxury. However, animals are on this earth for our benefit. Cows, pigs, chickens, foxes, minks, and so on will be around as long as we have a demand for them. They will not go extinct. As unpleasant as it is to kill an animal for the needs and wants of humans, it is often necessary. I believe that it should be done as humanely as possible. I admit that I can’t properly defend those who want fur coats for luxury. For those who need fur coats, though, that’s a different story.

True, species of animals go extinct, but new species are being discovered all the time. Cycle of life. Evolution. Pick your phrase. If the Democratic majority of Congress wants to add the walrus and the polar bear to the Endangered Species list, it will halt any debate on drilling for more oil. This is the strategy they and the environmentalists are using. Sympathy to create outrage. Pretty transparent manipulation.

When we are paying ten bucks a gallon in a few years, will most of us care about polar bears then?

The green philosophy is inescapable unless you spend all your time in a darkened home with no electricity. Any studies out there that tell us how many times per day or week the average person hears something about our collapsing environment? How many times do we hear the other side of the debate?

Oh, that’s right. The debate is over. It never was there to begin with. Except here. And here. And plenty of other places where no one wants to look.

Geez. Me and my big mouth. Maybe I should start my own blog, just so I can quit taking up so much space here.

there is this thing in human psycology called “denial” where we dont’ want to look at the very thing that is discomforting or disturbing.

Boy, you got that right kid!

You leftwing “deniers” wouldn’t acknowledge an actual, bona fide, fact, if it smacked you in the butt!

I noticed you didn’t answer my question as to why other planets in the solar system are also warming up. Does it hurt too much to admit that the one thing all the planets have in common is the Sun? Is it too hard to see that there most likely is a solar component to global climate change that trumps human activity?

Go munch on some seaweed and see if you can come up with another looney diatribe based on leftwing “denial” rather than actual science. I can’t wait.

Polar bear (and walrus) protection equals the general public gaining veto power over any future government project. Heck with the proper complaints filed with activist judges we can probably shutter existing government programs.

What are your priorities? Do you think that Bay Bridge retrofit is a worthless expenditure of State money and carbon credits? Do you think that your city council should be put on a strict “carbon diet”?

Let the tax and spend governments choke on EPA filings.
They created this legalistic nightmare, it’s up to us to make sure the full brunt lands on their heads first.
Who knows, after a few local pet projects (like that new basketball arena) are shot down cold, maybe it will be democratic legislator’s rediscovering scientific papers reasserting sunshine as the main cause of climate.
And we’ll be the ones waving their previous statements regarding the IPCC reports in their face.

BTW There was a climate report projecting cooling, commissioned by Enron, authored by James Hansen, and subsequently quashed by the company, because it ran counter to their plans to shut down the coal and oil industry with public sentiment. The reason they were pushing the climate change agenda? Enron was heavily invested in natural gas infrastructure. If someone could find that report it would out Hansen as the opportunistic vulture that he is.

I consider myself more frugal than anything. I like to save – so yes, I have a few CFLs in my home in certain places. I use cloth bags at the store because I feel guilty throwing away huge bundles of plastic. We turn down our thermostat to SAVE MONEY on our gas bill. I take the bus to work to save gas. But those are our own individual choices. Once the government says, “global warming is real and you HAVE to do this” it pisses me off. Not because I don’t want to be inconvenienced but because I don’t want to be treated like a child by a government that can’t get 80% of what they do right.

I’m glad you “revere” the Bible. If so, then I can deduce you’ve read and studied it and believe what it says. If so, then you know that this world will be totally consumed in the end and a new earth and a new heaven will replace it.

Pray tell. What is man going to do to change the climate? Mankind has not been able to control it ever despite his attempts.

I don’t believe mankind is the primary reason we’re expericencing natural, cyclical changes that have occured throughout time. Sure, conservation and avoiding wanton destruction of the environment is being a good steward of the earth we’ve been given to live on. But that isn’t the primary cause of the changes we’re seeing. I believe the Sun has a lot more to do with it than our SUVs; flatulence from cows; or koombyah campfires. Or, almost forgot the environmentalist terrorists that burn automobiles and homes to protest our destruction of the environment.

When Greenland turns green again, I might start worrying about Global Warming and I’m sure my worrying isn’t going to have an effect one way or the other.

What are you going to do in two years? That not very a very long time to save the planet.

Also, I think your denial example could work both ways on this issue, because the way I see it, it is the environmental activists who time and time again have closed their eyes and put their fingers in their ears because they don’t like the scientific evidence that does not support their extremist claims.

I would also like to point out that you seem to be operating under the common misconception that anyone who does not support the theory of global warming thinks we should all just throw our garbage on the ground and pour chemicals straight into our streams. You know, yesterday I got bored so I decided to amuse myself by stepping outside and spraying aerosol cans at the sky. Bwah hah ha! There is something in between kneeling at the altar of environmentalism and stomping all over the earth. I am responsible when it comes to the earth, I just don’t put plants, soil, and animals ahead of humans.

Well, we can disagree.

I don’t think it’s “absurd” at all. People are generally very attached to their habits and will defend them at all costs. Plus there is this thing in human psycology called “denial” where we dont’ want to look at the very thing that is discomforting or disturbing.

I know this. I am an animal advocate. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve come across people who want to deny x,y or z is happening even with video/photos of it. They don’t want to know…why? Because it’s upsetting/uncomfortable something they don’t want to deal with. I’ve come across it hundreds of times, I’ve come across excuses for such things hundreds of times.
We can disagree but denial is part of the human condition…in many arenas of life.

Similar to the denial that much of the left has in their denying they hate America! Or that we have real enemies! Or that even abortions maybe a sin. Same thing. We all have our own patch of “denial” we should work on.

That couple..I like them a lot. I don’t care for this aspect of them. They are more conservative than I am about the environment…a worldview difference that I do not share, but I don’t hate them for it. The thing is, they don’t have a real reason to deny it, they just hate Gore. Not a good reason to dismiss it, IMO. However, the woman is waking up to a plant based diet since I’ve sent her stuff on how it prevents so many diseases in later life.