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Chalk it up as reason number 100,000,033 to home school your kids.
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Sick.
And then we wonder why our children are having babies, aborting them, suffering from STDs, killing each other, etc…?
We have sick people in our schools infecting our children.
Sounds like pornography to me. The teacher needs to arrested.
UTAH?
Who’s the teacher? Mrs. Garrison?
It used to be that I figured that Dick & Jane would — after being steeped in the politically correct brew that is “public education” — be functionally, socially, historically, scientifically and literally illiterate; but at least they’d know how to put a condom on a cucumber before having unprotected sex.
Now, however, I’m not sure whether they’ll get to the sex part before becoming too, uh, “pre-occupied” with themselves.
I thought teachers weren’t allowed to prey in school.
Ohhhh. They can prey as long as they don’t pray.
so many contradictions, so few brains..
on the left that is
For the love of god! They’re in grade eight and you are upset that they saw a cartoon penis? Clue to prudes: It’s the people “educated” by their peers who get knocked up at 14. Once they hit puberty they’ll be interested in sex regardless of what teachers and parents say or don’t say.
Besides, what is wrong with masturbation? No one ever got pregnant or an STD from that.
I guess “Rev Wolf” didn’t read the entire article.
It wasn’t just masturbation the teacher talked about, idiot.
You reap what you sow when you have people like Rev Wolf running the show. And people wonder why parents go out of their way to homeschool or pay out the whazoo for private schools.
Considering the rage over the teacher that humiliated that Asperger’s syndrome kid, I would expect that THIS teacher would be threatened with dismissal as well. However, I’m not holding my breath for such equity.
Rev Wolf. I hope you aren’t teaching our kids.
Rev Wolf, I dunno, the article made it seem like things went too far. I don’t know the Utah cirriculum, but I would be surprised if it allowed for the teaching of masturbation and homosexuality.
I strongly support comprehensive sex education, but there’s a fine line to walk. How to have sex is quite different from how to properly use birth control.
I cannot understand how these types of things go on. Perhaps teachers need to be recorded, because as of lately, its been ridiculum.
There would be a lot of fired teachers if students snuck in cameras and microphones into many of these public schools. Examples like this article are just the tip of the iceberg.
I read it, but clearly MM focused on the masturbation part. Is that now off topic? What exactly is the big deal then, oh supreme atheling.
The article had basically no details, but having gone through sex ed in grade 8 many years ago, I remember the cartoons. There are a lot of ways you can do things wrong. How would YOU show it too them if a stick drawing is too explicit?
MM, I think you should forward to SUBWAY. Boy, BLIMPIE’S for lunch sounds good today.
Sex education in school should be about the biological act and NOT a how to class. How to make it last longer should not be part of the class.
Its is personal, embarassing, may be viewed as vulger, contrary to many religous beliefs, and needs no demonstration or discussion. It sounds more like an excuse by the teacher to get some sexual gratification by talking about it (and showing pictures) with 8th graders.
If you want to do it. Then go to the bathroom and don’t tell us about it.
MM is just following the Ann Coulter Business Model which Professor Bainbridge blog about today.
Talk about manufactured outrage… Rev Wolf and TOS are more upset with MM’s usage of the word masturbation than they are at what these kids are being taught at the 8th grade level. Boggles the mind.
Many teachers get away with this kind of sex ed by playing the “AIDS” card. They say they are helping prevent AIDS by showing “proper” and “safe” ways to have sex.
So, if parents disagree, they are helping spread AIDS to young people.
I want to be the first one to talk about sex with my kids. I want to control their education about it. When you leave it up to the government, you get this.
Well, that did not take long. Anyone who does not think that students should be exposed to sexual images or explicit talk is a prude… I’m not buying it.
Also, I would like to point out that inappropriate teacher and immature peers are not the only options. How about responsible teachers? Or, as in my case, parents? I do not remember seeing any crude cartoons and yet I did not get knocked up at 14. And when I got married, my husband and I managed to figure it all out just fine.
I did not see anything that showed MM focusing on masturbation… oh, you mean because she put it in the headline? Yes, clearly she should have listed every topic the teacher discussed! All she did was point to the article, the article is therefore the obvious focus.
I am not familiar with these stick drawings to which you refer, but yes, an image of two stick figures having sex would be inappropriate and unnecessary.
How do home schoolers teach about masturbation? If you don’t use cartoons, are there other appropriate visual aids?
What do you say about homosexuality? Just wondering.
HA HA HA HA…Now that’s funny.
Maybe they don’t have kids of their own and couldn’t care less that 8th graders are being taught how to masturbate and “how to make it last.”
Then again, some people, parents have no problem with exposing their children to worse, so go figure.
grumbles: who taught you how to masturbate? I really could careless but you seem to think that this is something that is so vitally important that it must be “taught.” We aren’t talking about understanding what a clitoris and vas deferens are. This “sex ed” talk stuff is going too far and is beyond what the curriculum calls for.
Most people don’t need to be taught masturbation. They just kind of find out about it. There is ZERO need to teach it in class.
You’re funny. That was quite amusing.
So, when the information she felt compelled to impart to these young children encourages them to sneak off and have sexual intercourse with other young children, can someone charge her with contributing to the delinquency of a minor, like the charge we have here in Tennessee for someone who contributes to the delinquent or unruly behavior of a minor?
Just further reasoning that if you have to have your children in public schools, to monitor and regulate their progress.
The problem, abstractmind, is that the parents in this story were not consulted before it happened. No amount of monitoring and regulating would have prevented this, because the teacher took it upon themselves to ‘teach’ this to the 8th graders.
On May 29th, 2008 at 1:37 pm, grumbles said:
I can’t speak for homeschoolers, but I would assume they would teach in line with their family’s own moral beliefs, not those of some faceless government entity.
This public school teacher clearly had a different agenda from the parents of these children.
Seriously.
What’s next? Picking two kids out of the
audienceclassroom and propping them up on the teacher’s desk for a visual demonstration? One may laugh but this is no laughing matter. These people keep pushing the envelope and they do so with reckless abandon. They will not get their mitts on my kids.TOS – So according to you and Bainbridge, talking about things that are provocative automatically means you are full of it? Because that’s how that article sounded to me. How about the liberal troll business model? It goes something like this: Regardless of content, respond to anything that MM says with a cry of “manufactured outrage,” then promptly stick fingers in ears and chant “La La La, I can’t hear you…”
Uhhm, no. I’m not upset with any word. I know this is contrary to the christian beliefs of most in here. I’m a hard-core capitalist and strong on immigration laws, defense and all the usual stuff in here. I.e. I’m not a troll and I agree with 95% of MM’s opinions. I’m not, however, convinced sex-ed is making the top 1000 list of what’s wrong with the world.
Mister P, it IS embarrasing and contrary to many beliefs, which is WHY it’s necessary to have some lame version of this in the class-room. Many parents, probably most, will NOT have this discussion with their kids. But it needs to be discussed because outside of the classroom they will find out about sex one way or another. Do you really think the alternative of music videos, porn and older (I.e. 15) kids being their source of information is better? I know you want them to be completely ignorant of all sex aspects until 18 (or is it 21), but this is just not an option.
I believe the teacher grudgingly accepted this assignment, because it is in the curriculum, knowing it would be embarrasing and would draw attention from parents. He’s not a pervert any more than butchers and soldiers are sadistic monsters. It’s just an unpleasant job that has to be done.
That being said I’m not sure how detailed that discussion has to be. I.e. the homosexual stuff and the “make it last”. But I’m sure there are some kid in that school who will turn out gay, so what were they supposed to do? Ask all the gay kids to go a different room for their session?
Monty Python fans – Was it Meaning of Life where John Cleese and his wife have sex in the classroom to teach sex ed?
That was my thought as well. How long before there are live demonstrations or hands on learning on the topic? I am sure they could find a creepy on dude in a van to “help out” on educating the kids. Enough is enough.
I think that would look something like this, RaisedRight.
No, I believe she does not have a clear idea of what is or is not appropriate to “teach.” I have no idea if she is a pervert or not, but I disagree with the concept that teaching kids about masturbation and describing homsexual sex acts is a “job that has to be done” at all… pleasant or not.
How the hell would you know if this was “grudgingly accepted?”
The teacher is explaining to the 8th graders how to “make it last”? Make it last?
What else were they teaching, hip thrust styles?
Ok, #41, you may have a point if this was a rogue teacher who started this instead of her usual math class. I’m going on the assumption that the school put it in the curriculum for 8th grade. Given that, some teacher had to do the unpleasant task.
That is cured by a simple action, that i take with my oldest son:
“So, what did you do in school today?”
By asking what’s going on, and by being in contact with teachers and being active in the education your children receive, these things can be ferreted out and discovered.
Look. There is no place for this in the curriculum, period.
Schools should teach academic subjects and trade skills. Masturbation certainly doesn’t fall in the prior and I don’t see it in the latter, unless they are trying to train up the next generation of prostitutes…err…escorts (Isn’t that the new PC term for it?).
I was taught by Cheryl Banks, a 14 year old when I was thirteen. Nice of you to ask.
I’ve been known to drink Starbucks coffee, drive a hybrid, and throw on a headscarf without considering the political implications. Fearing I may be making another mistake, I just wanted to make sure that I’m masturbating correctly. Since a bunch of home schoolmarms are considered the experts here, maybe I could get a few tips.
On May 29th, 2008 at 1:57 pm, Rev Wolf said:
I think you’re making the false presumption that everything the teacher taught was part of the 8th grade curriculum put in place by the school district. It’s entirely possible that the teacher ad-libbed — either the entire “lecture” or additional material.
Either way, its inappropriate. But how much the teacher improvised would certainly have a bearing on who’s to blame for this fiasco.
Teaching an 8th grade child about masturbation won’t scar them for the rest of their lives but again, the parents weren’t asked before this was introduced into their childrens minds. The parents of these children were expecting math to be taught. They were expecting the normal activities, but as Barry F. said, there is no place for masturbation to be “taught.”
The only reason sex-ed has a place in school curriculum is that it is a necessary part of teaching biology, human or otherwise. Kids do need to learn the details of reproduction. But as of late many educators have hijacked sex-ed to make it a more comprehensive package intended to mold the sexual attitudes of students. Kids don’t need to be taught about how to make sex more pleasurable, solo or otherwise. The relevant info in that regard is something they can pursue on their own if it ever comes up. What they need to know is biology, what the various associated organs are called, how they work, and what impact they will have on their bodies as they mature. Anything else is unnecessary at best, harmful at worst.
From the sounds of it, you might want to switch to decaf, Chief.
You’re ad hominem attacks don’t faze me one bit. Were you traumatized by the event or something? Your argument is silly.
Post #51 was directed at grumbles #46.
Outside of calling the school everyday to ask the teacher what their daily lessons are, there’s not much you can do before the fact, if it was stealthed in…best one can do in this instance is just minimize the damage.
The whole situation stinks. The fact people like grumbles and his ilk (that apparently dont need refresher courses in our subject matter here, as they seem to be our resident experts) that think its ok to just shove whatever liberal agenda they want because it all comes out in the wash(have some moral equivalence, its goes great with some arugula) is wrong.
This crap shouldnt be taught to children. This is the responsibility of parents to discuss these subject matters with their kids.
Sorry i’m short-fused today…busy with work and no time to mince words or stick to my usual tone
A few people have mentioned math… the article says this was a health class.
However, I agree with many here (ADyer for example) who argue that the pleasure of sex is not a valid part of the curriculum regardless of the class. Students need to learn about reproduction, but not about how long sex should last, etc.
Pathetic and disturbing. Paging down through the comments, I have a question for RevWolf, grumbles, and TOS. Do you have kids? Your choices are “yes” or “no.”
Understood.
no………
Okay. Here’s a couple of “tips” that might help:
- Lay off the Starbuck. Caffeine is a vasoconstrictor. So, you might want to lose the Leftist coffee.
- The Eco-mobile you driving can’t be much for getting one aroused. You might want to try one that will get the blood pumping.
- Remember that a headscarf is to be worn on the head and not the lower regions, as they could cut off or significantly decrease blood flow to tne destination on which you are concentrating. As a side note, it could also cause some chafing.
Okay. Based on the profile information you provided, those are my “tips”, for now.
Barry F, bravo!
From the number of comments, this seems to be a hot button issue. But the kids are damaged less by learning how to “do it” than by “learning” that the Bible is literally true — that the universe was created about 6000 years ago, that all of modern biology is wrong, that Paul Bunyan (or the great flood) created the Grand Canyon.
Wow! I was awaiting a response from lgm on this. But, this was asanine, even for him.
30, the TOS is a POS.
So sitting on the head scarf is not OK…..even if out of ignorance?
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/132/359545898_01442f19a0_m.jpg
Wow lgm – I think that is your boldest and most off-course hijack to date!
Congrats for topping yourself on the crazy meter.
terrig,
You’ll get no argument from me.
I…just cant help myself.
ROFLMAO
Thanks for trying to throw the argument off, but its not going to work.
And i say this as neutral as possible….and WOW i’m going to hate myself for saying this later, but…even if you take the bible as nothing but fairy tale and that its just filled with good points on living a halfway decent life (10 commandments, dont steal, dont lie, etc…)
I would still rather have my kids learn the bible than I would have this taught to them this crap in middle school.
Lets see…
10 Commandments or Masterbation.
How is this not a clear choice in what’s right and wrong?
now STHU -_- you’re wasting my time.
Not to pile on..but wouldn’t NO version be better than “some lame version”? I wonder how Adam and Eve managed to reproduce..hmmm…the devil made us do it? Come on..nature takes it’s course..some kids get in trouble. Just a little bit of parental guidance goes a long, long way.
Some people are demented..some people are stupid. The more things change..the more they stay the same.
Why homeschool?
And Barry,
nice post earlier
I think it was relegated to the proper portion of the body by sitting on it, grumbles.
My concern was just how you might “throw on” the one you referenced.
lgm..are you left handed?
I knew I saw lgm’s picture next to the definition of deranged.
Yes, it was.
Odds are, though, that this teacher did NOT teach them the lyrics to “Every Sperm is Sacred”…
Thanks. Just doing my part to provide for a well-informed populace.
obviously you arent in a public school or at lgm’s college
I’m guessing he’s ambidextrous. You know what they say about practice.
Well, it’s time to log off for a bit. I’ll try to check back in later on how things have progressed.
Remember, lgm, practice, practice, practice…left, right, left, right.
Later, folks!
Until parents start confronting school boards and demanding accountability this sort of thing will continue. Ever notice how schools can never comment on “personnel issues?” That’s because the school administrators and teachers believe they are not accountable to the people that pay for them. Parents – you are the only ones who can change this.
So, now I’m a home schoolmarm – that’s so darn cute. No, not really, however I do find it amusing that grumbles attempted to be insulting to homeschoolers with that little tidbit. Do you refer to public school teachers as schoolmarms as well? How Little House on the Prarie of you.
Look grumbles, I’m sorry you were a late bloomer and never discovered your body parts on your own and I’m also sorry that your parents neglected to do their job as parents and give you any biology and/or sex-ed instruction so you had to learn it from the neighborhood, ahem, educator.
And, as to the question of how we teach our children about masturbation and sex-ed (I really don’t think you wanted an answer but in the interest of playing along, I’ll answer): My children all found their own body parts well before they were school age and my husband and I never had any qualms about explaining their functions without any cute little cartoons or stick figures. Plus, since I taught natural childbirth classes in our home, they were more than EXTREMELY knowledgeable and could name and explain all the functions of the male and female reproductive organs using actual diagrams… all before 3rd grade. My oldest even drew a picture of my “eunice” (uterus) for his preschool class – this was before he was homeschooled – and the teacher put it on the classroom wall. As to homosexuality, they know what it is, how it’s done, and what we believe about it.
And this has what to do with a teacher discussing was to prolong your orgasms with 8th graders?
Wow. Just wow. I don’t know where to start! I had a question/comment regarding the original story, but became quickly side-tracked by the comments of some in here. So, I’ll just go with the one that comes to mind now: Why on earth does lgm want to debate scripture when it’s very apparent he doesn’t believe in G-d’s word?
Oh, I’ve remembered what I wanted to know–can anyone link to a photo of this…’teacher‘?
Think about what is said here: Teaching only the physical, chemical and biological aspects of sex is folly. How do you think we got into this mess? If sex is merely a biological act, then why should we assume that children, with this teaching in mind, will consider any of the inevitable emotional, psychological, and social consequences of premarital, casual sex? To teach children about sex without morality is naive and irresponsible. If we teach children there’s no difference between a breast and an elbow, then why should we expect them to employ any “moral” judgement in terms of how they act or think in terms of sex?
Exactly, Send_Me
No problemo.
#83
I understand what you’re getting at but it certainly didn’t sound like the teacher in question was giving any lessons in morality.
If you’re just referencing ADyer’s post then you have to understand that when biology and reproductivity are taught then the consequences (i.e. STD’s and pregnancy as well as how the hormones the body releases have an effect on the emotional well-being of the individuals) can be taught without ever getting close to discussing morality. No one is saying that a breast is the same as an elbow – that flies in the face of biology. Besides, do you really want the schools (and individual teachers) to have the deciding view on what is “moral”?
Absolutely not, they wouldn’t know morals if it slapped them in the face.
P.S. Great post in #80
#86
She’s teaching a form of “morality;” certainly not a Christian version of morality, but a form of morality none the less.
STD’s, pregnancy, etc.: these physical consequences are addressed in schools, yes. However, the physical mitigators called condoms and other contraception are also addressed, the intention of which is also amoral due to ignorance at best, permissiveness at worst.
Obviously, the elbow is a joint, the breast is not. My point is that schools teach that both are merely amoral body parts, meaning that in terms of moral sensitivity per se, they are equal.
No, they should not have this authority. The parents, via the school board, PTA, etc., should have this control, but do not, due to school and government bureaucrats who are not beholden to the parents, which is why I have such problems with public schools. My point is that public schools are teaching morality in schools by virtue that their teaching is amoral, founded on naturalism, hence nihilism.
Oh, for the record, I have two kids.
I know a few women who had a religious upbringing and at 50+ they have never had an orgasm. That’s just sad. Maybe if someone told them that you wouldn’t burn in hell for masturbating, they could at least have taken care of themselves, given that their husbands are useless in that area.
I’m all for homeschooling, but because I don’t like the socialist propaganda and the fact that they keep smart kids behind.
I’m sorry then, I must have misunderstood your original post. It sounded (to me) like you were saying that the schools SHOULD be trusted to teach morality if they’re going to be teaching ANY biology and reproductive science.
Unless I am (again) mistaken, I believe you and I are on the same page.
Sweden has mandatory sex-ed for ALL 8th graders, and it includes plenty of pictures and cartoon videos. It focuses on safe sex, resisting peer pressure when you’re not ready and shows the general outlines of masturbation. Is this causing societal breakdown?
Here are the statistics:
Teenage birth rate per 1,000 births
Sweden — 7
United States — 49
Percentage of women aged 20-24 who had a child before age 20
Sweden — 4%
United States — 22%
Sexual Activity
Percentage of women who began having “sex” before age 15
Sweden — 12%
United States — 14%
Lgm is still allowed to the Bible in a blasphemous way – no surprise. Where is SouthernBoy? The “m” in lgm is for moron.
A thread that mentions masturbation and only one comment from Rusty? Are we in a parallel universe? I would think he would be on his 12 post by now espousing the benefits of masturbation.
I wonder how their Muslim students like those classes? Or perhaps they are excused?
That last stat you provided is negligible. What is the margin of error?
Ever notice whenever issues dealing with young people/children and sexuality come up, the lib trolls come pouring out of the woodwork? It makes me wonder what liberals are *really* after.
We should poll the political affiliation of all the people who very loudly opposed the To Catch a Predator show as entrapment and defend pedophile behavior as normal. It would be funny it were not so scary.
Yes, I’ve noticed that too. They seem to really support the sexualization of children, no matter how young they may be. It’s odd, and disturbing.
On another blog, the issue came up about NAMBLA, and some leftard troll tried to rationalize NAMBLA’s position, as if there is nothing wrong with sex with young children. And this person claimed to be an “atheist Buddhist” (probably trolls Thailand for child prostitutes).
On second thought, I do think that the abortion issue is really about sexual permissiveness and removing ANY consequences of libertinism.
When you think about it, leftards are always on the side of sexual immorality because they want to be guaranteed to have the “freedom” to do whatever they wish – whether it be sex with dogs, children, or killing babies.
Atheling,
Whatever renders family, morals and values as uncool and antiquated viewpoints, you can guarantee liberals will be in support of it.
#90
I think we’re pretty much on the same page.