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1. #1
   On June 1st, 2008 at 7:55 pm, cicerokid said:

   Then the army infux should just go to San Diego. Or Brownsville….Or Matemora!

2. #2
   On June 1st, 2008 at 8:01 pm, brooklyn red said:

   Methinks that the term “camp-followers” applies here…

3. #3
   On June 1st, 2008 at 8:27 pm, GaMidnightRider said:

   I am so afraid we are about to lose our country. I see a dim future for us all if we do not return to the values and conservatism of our pass. Racist churches, Marxist politicians, entitlement culture, appeasing terrorist, elitist attitudes, failure to remove our dependence on foreign oil, and an self serving congress.
   We have dealt with issues like this before but they have never been this bad. This country does not need more govt. It needs less and more responsibility to each person for his or her actions. We need to enforce the laws and those people who think they are above them need to be prosecuted as well.

4. #4
   On June 1st, 2008 at 8:50 pm, Tennessee Dave said:

   If a corporation came to town that infused this into an area:

   1) Over 20,000 jobs (net) will be moved into the county.
   2) 6.2 million square feet of office space will be built in the county.
   3) $3.8 billion will be spent on construction within the county, supporting nearly 8500 employees per year over 5 years.

   Would they be shaking down that company for money?

5. #5
   On June 1st, 2008 at 8:58 pm, Helene said:

   Hmmm. Did it ever occur to the Fairfax School Board that if they were not educating illegals, they would have room for the Army kids?

   One of the problems with the influx of illegals (opps undocumented people) is that the infrastructures in place were not designed to handle the massive numbers of people showing up. The schools, sewer systems, roads, hospitals, police, fire etc. were designed and built for a specific size population. Not the extras.

   Now we have classes in trailers, clogged roads, packed emergency rooms, neighborhoods with single family homes that are now boarding houses.

   Government officials that are willing to turn the other way and not enforce planning and zoning laws, residency requirements, etc. are simply refusing to perform their responsibilites. Shame on them.

6. #6
   On June 1st, 2008 at 9:07 pm, raybury said:

   Many of the jobs are coming from Arlington. Either the folks already live closer to DC than the new location (Newington, VA), say in Arlington or Alexandria, in which case they may just stay where they are since they would be commuting counter to the bulk of traffic; or they live further out, in which case their commute will be shorter. All the same, my nice, I-95 free commute will be shot if they don’t build up some local roads.

7. #7
   On June 1st, 2008 at 9:12 pm, bloghooligan said:

   Not for nothing, but Aberdeen, MD is going through the same debate. The problem is with the BRAC of military bases, and the tax bases of these counties already being pushed to the limits (the reasons are varied and not limited to illegal immigration), the counties simply can not afford the sudden influx of the refugees from closed military bases. This was a cost the federal gov’t did not consider when planning the closure of military bases.

   So while the tax base in these areas with the influx of working people will eventually help the economy, those areas still need to educate the children, have enough police and fire/rescue, and efficient roads in the interim.

8. #8
   On June 1st, 2008 at 9:13 pm, mlog said:

   I can tell you that Huntsville, Alabama is receiving a large number of new Army jobs because of BRAC, and Huntsville is absolutely welcoming the new Army people. Ironically many of the jobs are moving from Virginia to Alabama. Maybe we now know why.

9. #9
   On June 1st, 2008 at 9:16 pm, brooklyn red said:

   GaMidnightRider #3 re: “I am so afraid we are about to lose our country.”

   Let not you heart be troubled.

10. #10
    On June 1st, 2008 at 9:24 pm, havok said:

    I wonder if a lawsuit against Mexico is in the works….nah….I’m just dreaming.

11. #11
    On June 1st, 2008 at 9:27 pm, Dimsdale said:

    On June 1st, 2008 at 8:58 pm, Helene said:

    Hmmm. Did it ever occur to the Fairfax School Board that if they were not educating illegals, they would have room for the Army kids?

    One of the problems with the influx of illegals (opps undocumented people) is that the infrastructures in place were not designed to handle the massive numbers of people showing up. The schools, sewer systems, roads, hospitals, police, fire etc. were designed and built for a specific size population. Not the extras.

    Now we have classes in trailers, clogged roads, packed emergency rooms, neighborhoods with single family homes that are now boarding houses.

    Government officials that are willing to turn the other way and not enforce planning and zoning laws, residency requirements, etc. are simply refusing to perform their responsibilites. Shame on them.

    And think of all the gasoline they consume, driving prices up and keeping supplies tight.

12. #12
    On June 1st, 2008 at 9:52 pm, CJ said:

    It’s been 3 1/2 years since I lived in Ffx County, so I might be remembering incorrectly, but it seems to me we had to fill out a form every school year listing those family members employed on military bases.

    We’re now in Tidewater (Chesapeake), and I know I’m doing one here, too. From what I remember (not having a copy of the form in front of me), the reason is so that the school system can get money from the Federal government. (Federal lands not being subject to the same local property taxes as other businesses.)

13. #13
    On June 1st, 2008 at 10:01 pm, ArmoredCAV said:

    Well, it all makes sense to me. After all: 1. it’s for the children; 2. Maybe they are expecting Michelle O’s children to pop in; and, 3. It is a proven fact that the more money you throw at education, the smarter the children are, as demonstrated time after time by improved test scores…(okay, this last one was a stretch, complete fabrication, democratic/National Education Association pipe dream.)

14. #14
    On June 1st, 2008 at 10:03 pm, ArmoredCAV said:

    CJ, you are correct. Parents fill that form out every year, and the stink raised by the school is incredible if it comes in late. They also have you fill out a form at the end of the year stating your intentions for school the next year. Also, your attendence during the first couple of days each year is critical to them.

15. #15
    On June 1st, 2008 at 10:04 pm, love2rumba said:

    Let’s see…they are b#$%^&*g about an influx of Army personnel and children, but they open up to illegals for cheap labor and globalization ecstasy, huh?

    Whatever they are smoking in Fairfax county it must be some great s#$t!

    If they are so willing to shake down the Army, why don’t they bill Mexico for all that their citizens cost to native taxpayers of Fairfax County,VA.??

    Ya don’t even have to perform a study to figure that out!

16. #16
    On June 1st, 2008 at 10:11 pm, frayed said:

    It bakes my buns that they hassle our military personnel and bend over backwards to accomodate illegals.

17. #17
    On June 1st, 2008 at 10:31 pm, crashemt said:

    We moved out of Lorton (Fairfax County) because MS13 took over the apartment complex. It went from a respectful, mixed diversity location to an area so bad, the Domino’s guys wouldn’t even deliver. The soldiers that were in the complex (which was right next to Belvoir, not far from Geo. Washington’s church, and in the flight path for the airfield) left; I don’t know if it was by order or not.

    It was so bad, even the cops warned us to move after my wife was followed home from the store.

    Before we knew it, 1000 sqft apartments with 2 bedrooms were housing 10-15 people. Lookouts on the porches and drives. Drug deals in the open. When we dropped our 60 day quit, there was a lady who was leaving that day, because the bangers upstairs kicked in her door, and beat her within an inch of her life.

    But Gerry Connolly loves his illegal immigrant slave labor! That, and his Fairfax County land-grabs and assessments keep his development company friends very profitable.

    Can’t wait to see what he has in store for us if he gets elected to Congress. Won’t be any worse than the current crop of elitist crap we get from the 635 most worthless souls in America.

18. #18
    On June 1st, 2008 at 10:36 pm, Just A Grunt said:

    Well maybe all of those families will just decide to home school so as not to be a burden on the Fairfax county resources. And maybe they will limit their shopping to on post also. Maybe other then having to have a place to live they will be almost invisible in your community and then you can figure out how to make up the shortfall in tax revenue so that you can take care of all those other folks living in the shadows. Service members and employees who work on military installations have a powerful weapon that they need to use more often. It normally only takes about 2 weeks of no spending in the local community before they realize the error of their ways.

19. #19
    On June 1st, 2008 at 10:43 pm, Joy said:

    Send the bill to Meheeko… I like that! I’d love to see Kalifornia’s bill. Bet we wouldn’t be bankrupt if we billed and got paid. (not bloody likely)

    I’d love to see that proposition on a ballot.

20. #20
    On June 1st, 2008 at 10:50 pm, Michael said:

    You may be interested to know that Keith (not Mark) Fimian is one of the first candidates to be endorsed by Mitt Romney’s Free and Strong America PAC. It’s the seat Rep. Tom Davis is retiring from.

    And for comment #4, the local government would be giving the company all but the kitchen sink. It’s a sad fact, but this happens almost everywhere.

    Michael Swartz
    http://www.monoblogue.us

21. #21
    On June 1st, 2008 at 11:11 pm, Christian Soldier said:

    All gvt aide (that would be my tax $$$$$$$$$$ ) must be with-held from ALLLLLL sanctuary cities- NOW!

22. #22
    On June 1st, 2008 at 11:13 pm, thefoundingfathers said:

    Fairfax County’s nothern neighbor is not only DC, but Montgomery County, MD another illegal immigrant sancutary. Those govenrment workers want to keep their social service jobs.

    Fairfax’s neighbor to the south is Prince William County who this past year removed the welcome mat for illegals. Over the next several years, which of these three counties will be the most pleasurable to live? My in-laws live in PW County and after the welcome mat was removed over 600 students disappeared from the county public school system.

23. #23
    On June 1st, 2008 at 11:39 pm, see-dubya said:

    Michael #20–

    Thanks, fixed that.

    I missed my coffee today.

24. #24
    On June 1st, 2008 at 11:59 pm, mattymatt10 said:

    Wow, I didn’t know I lived in a sanctuary city. This really pisses me off, and it also explains why they are everywhere. Driving slow, walking against the lights, riding their bikes down the damn highway, etc, etc, etc…

    Why do people insist on electing asshats like this? Why is it so difficult to understand that laws exist for the good of the community and should be enforced?

25. #25
    On June 2nd, 2008 at 12:01 am, spo-con said:

    #21…….Agreed ! Federal tax $ should be withheld immediately ! Sanctuary communities don’t act like Americans, so they shouldn’t get American money handed to them. Time to snap the leash. Heel, or go broke.

26. #26
    On June 2nd, 2008 at 12:10 am, Tantor said:

    Fairfax County has gotten an enormous increase in tax revenues from the enormous increases in property values here. Even when they lowered their tax rates to quiet the outrage of homeowners the amount of property taxes zoomed to the moon.

    Then, when the property values levelled out, the county officials had the audacity to call for higher taxes to maintain their bloated budget. In other words, when homes appreciate, Fairfax wants a cut of that appreciation. When homes don’t appreciate, taxes must march up nevertheless.

    Fairfax County officials are dishonest tax hogs who seek to build their government empire on the backs of their citizens. Until a couple years ago, these Fairfax tax hogs required every citizen living in the county to pay $25 for a permit to park their car in the county. Then they sent idiots out to ticket cars. I got ticketed even though I had a permit on my car but decided to pay the fine because it was cheaper to pay it than take a half day of vacation to fight it in court. Fairfax rigs the system against it’s own citizens.

27. #27
    On June 2nd, 2008 at 3:18 am, RabbidSquirrel said:

    Come on, get it right people….

    Army brats are migrants, illegal aliens are permanent residents

28. #28
    On June 2nd, 2008 at 3:18 am, WarTip said:

    1) Close down the federal education indoctrination system.

    2) Secure the border and build the fence already

    3) Prosecute undocumented immigrants illegal alien invaders the same way they do in Mexico with complete forfeiture of all of their assets within the USA. (You can get kicked out of Mexico just for hanging an American flag where it can be seen by others too … but there is more)

    4) Prosecute business, business owners AND management of any corporation found to be hiring illegal laborers. (The foundation is already in place to accomplish this with a simple program that is already available from the federal government)

    5) Complete these simple steps and we can begin rebuilding our once great and proud nation.

    6) Fail to comply with 1-4 and you can throw away the hand basket. The ride is over and we the people have reached our destination. Farewell, farewell to all her greatness!

29. #29
    On June 2nd, 2008 at 3:47 am, jhn1 said:

    Most counties are trying to get more jobs into their counties, not penalize the employers foolishly bringing jobs there.
    The Army needs to move those duties needing jobs to other Army Engineer bases.
    Hah.
    I just had a mental image of the Army going before the judge, and offering many letters for the County to sign asking that the Army not bring those jobs there.
    One for the President, one for each of the State’s US Senators, one for the Senate Military Appropriations Committee, one for each of the Joint Chiefs, one for the Secretary of Defense, ect.

    Good legal defense pleading, followed by a seeming concession to help the county lobby to have the jobs placed at a different Army base since it is going to be such a hardship for Fairfax County to have that many additional jobs in the county.

30. #30
    On June 2nd, 2008 at 4:03 am, Truesoldier said:

    So if the county of Fairfax sues the military for the undue monetary burden on the budget due to the influx of children from military families, does that mean that the legal residents of Fairfax county could sue the county government for an undue tax burden placed upon them for the county deciding to be a sanctuary city? Seems only fair to me.

    June 1st, 2008 at 10:43 pm, Joy said:
    Send the bill to Meheeko… I like that! I’d love to see Kalifornia’s bill. Bet we wouldn’t be bankrupt if we billed and got paid. (not bloody likely)

    The best way to collect on that bill would be to deduct the amount of the bill from the foreign aid we send Mexico. That way they way we do not have to worry about how to collect.

31. #31
    On June 2nd, 2008 at 5:37 am, graysonret said:

    I’m sure glad I left that county, a month ago. It’s border-to-border day laborers. Connelly was elected supporting illegals too. Once, Fairfax County was a prime place to live, but not anymore. Now it’s fast filling up with people who could care less about our country, only the dollar (to send back to Latin America). Taxes and living expenses are terrible. To have the supervisor ignore the law, for his own benefit, shows how far down the county has gone.

32. #32
    On June 2nd, 2008 at 6:32 am, crashemt said:

    #29

    I’m behind that. Where do we start?

    Any lawyers here that want to get started on this counter-suit?

33. #33
    On June 2nd, 2008 at 6:50 am, Kevin K. said:

    While I would like to see all illegal aliens sent home and the employers who indirectly encourage them by hiring them punished, this latest BRAC made some seriously wrong decisions, and the whole thing should be voided.

    Fairfax County could probably solve this problem by pulling the welcome mat for illegals thus freeing up room for Ft. Belvoir-related children.

34. #34
    On June 2nd, 2008 at 7:39 am, Mach1Duck said:

    Having served my 20 in the U.S. military, my children went to public schools, these school districts received payment from the federal government for each child enrolled. This payment was substantial, and was to offset the loss of tax revenue for military, non-state residents.

35. #35
    On June 2nd, 2008 at 8:04 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    Until these illegal aliens show up on the doorstep of our elected officials looking for three hots and cot, nothing, zip, zero, zilch, nada will be done about it. They don’t have to live with the consequences of their legislation… only the little people do. Vote the bums out.

36. #36
    On June 2nd, 2008 at 9:15 am, terrig said:

    Every year students take home little cards for their parents to fill out regarding whether or not they live in military housing. If child does, the federal government gives stipends (which are usually very large) to offset the “tax base” problem posed by students living in “government housing” as one teacher said many years ago when I taught in Virginia Beach. So, understand this people, the feds pick up the tab. This argument won’t wash.
    Additionally, the families on post do go out in the communities and shop, buy as much if not more than the illegals do.
    Fairfax has had a large increase of illegals from PWC recently. It’s obvious that the illegals are more important to those in the Fairfax County government system.

37. #37
    On June 2nd, 2008 at 11:39 am, hawkeye54 said:

    Connolly’s Republican opponent, Keith Fimian, runs a website here. I don’t know Fimian’s views on illegal immigration and sanctuary…but I know his opponent’s.

    Just visited his site. Emphasis on business, education and small government Nothing could I see on illegal immigration.

    Methinks he may believe he’d lose his business support if he addressed his view on illegal immigration. That is if it is any different than his opponent.

38. #38
    On June 2nd, 2008 at 11:59 am, John Ansell said:

    Juan Down, 12 million more to go

39. #39
    On June 2nd, 2008 at 12:17 pm, GJCorby said:

    So let’s get this straight, it is ok for illeagal aliens to attend Fairfax county free of charge (as illeagal pay no taxes) yet the American tax payer (many of whom do not live in Fairfax county) have to foot the bill because the Army wants to expand Ft. Belvior?
    They should be suing Mexico for all thier freeloading citizens who are draining the school department’s budget.

40. #40
    On June 2nd, 2008 at 2:32 pm, scottfree said:

    Here is an interesting bit of immigration news from here in Virginia:

    Our local news radio station is staunchly anti-enforcement and pro amnesty. At their website they have quietly shut down comments to their articles about the illegal immigration crackdown in Prince William County, Virginia. Their consistently pro-illegal, anti-enforcement articles are usually hammered in the comments section by their pro-enforcement readers. Apparently some people have complained that they were offended by the hateful xenophobes and wanted the comments shut down. So they won’t be letting their readers comment on this subject anymore.

    It’s all on my blog:
    http://apileofwords.blogspot.com/ .

    But: as no one necessarily reads my blog and I do it because it’s cheaper than therapy, I need to get this out where people will actually see it.

41. #41
    On June 2nd, 2008 at 5:10 pm, KaosKlerik said:

    Much to my chagrin, Fairfax has become increasingly liberal over the years. I live in the Newington/Lorton area, about a mile from Ft Belvoir.

    The Washington Post rules in Fairfax County. George Allen was hammered by the Post while Jim Webb got a pass.

    112 Maccaca stories and a series of “I heard…” stories of supposed racial slurs (including putting a deer head in a mailbox) by Allen all of them from the 70’s. Nothing recent. Not one actual witness was ever quoted. Even the Post reporters acknowledged that the accusers were all partisan Democrats, but every story, no matter how flimsy, was front-page material.

    Then Allen gave an interview and complained about the treatment of “his people,” the Scotch-Irish rednecks: “Towel-heads and rednecks became the easy villains in so many movies out there.” Towel-heads? Clearly this was another Macaca moment, more evidence of Allen’s racist proclivities.

    But wait a moment. It wasn’t Allen. The man who made those comments was his opponent, Jim Webb. So how did our objective, fair-minded Washington Post react? Reporter Libby Copeland quickly related that Webb called later to lament, “I used the words that are used to stereotype them…I’m really upset if this is going to end up being the guppy that eats the whale here.” And that was that. The Post’s treatment of Jim Webb was so favorable you wondered how the reporters could finish their articles on time after all the fainting spells of awe.

    Fairfax County has about 850,000 people in a state with 12 million. Allen lost by less than 9,000 votes out of over 2 million cast. That’s why I refer to him as Senator Jim Webb (D-WaPo)

42. #42
    On June 2nd, 2008 at 7:09 pm, emjem24 said:

    Yet another reason why I’m counting down the days until my husband’s tour is up here in Jolly Old Virginia. Virginia isn’t only for lovers, it’s also for tax lovers. It’s a Commonwealth therefore it’s special and taxes you in new and creative ways.

    The ugly thing that many Virginians either don’t want to admit or already know is that they have no problem economically exploiting the military while they discriminiate against military spouses. Such a story is hardly surprising since Fairfax County seems to be THE up and coming place to be. The only problem here is that the Eastern part of Virginia is very crowded, the closer you live either to Washington or Hampton Roads.

    When Fairfax like the other local and state governments start to recognize that shaking down the military while welcoming illegal invaders isn’t the way to go, here’s a laundry list of things they need to fix (I won’t hold my breath):

    1. Deteriorating Roads- oh, that’s right VA levied some more taxes and fees to cover that…oops, my mistake.

    2. Overcrowding/overdevelopment… please stop the condo craze currently taking off in places like Hampton Roads. It’s an eye sore.

    3. Military Spouse Employment- until discrimination is addressed, there are many military families (and spouses) not quite sure VA is a great place to retire.

    4. Crime- Still rising though many local cities/towns swear they’re putting more cop presence on the streets.

    5. Education- for all the money VA has spent on it’s new standardized testing iniative I’m still seeng a lot of aimless young men living violent, and short lives.

    Yes, I am glad I’m leaving VA very, very soon. Sorry, Terrig… I know you like Northern VA and I’ve been there but where I’m living it’s so overcrowded there’s not much room to breath anymore.

43. #43
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 9:21 pm, terrig said:

    EmJem, not a big fan of living here, a bigger fan of Hampton Roads. Hubby picked this place because after this deployment he has about 2 months until he can retire (if he doesn’t drop his papers on 1/20/09) and hopes to be able to find a job up here. Also, my ex-in-laws are in McLean (they’re no fans of this garbage at all, he’s a retired full bird from the Army) and they’re helpful during this deployment as is their “I can’t keep my pants on” son who comes up from Va Beach to help me with my lawn and other odd jobs around the house-ie: my ex-husband. I’d rather be down there but hubby thinks this place is where we need to be and his worthless father is only an hour away but he hasn’t been by since two weeks before he took off for TX.
    But we’re talking where we’ll actually retire to and SC is looking better all the time. I’m with you EmJem, the sooner we can leave the better.