Who’s teaching your kids about Islam?
At a Texas public junior high school, students get mandatory lessons in Islam from…CAIR.
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Yoo-hoo, ACLU?
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I would have been arrested for assaulting the principal.
As being in Houston, the opinion of folks down here is anger. It is all over the news, on the streets and in the bars. This ain’t going to continue to happen in Texas, and will be squashed fast. From being in liberal NY to coming to Conservative Texas, I can tell you one thing, these people don’t mess around down here.
CAIR better Beware.
I love it, my kids strapping bombs to their head.
CAIR propoganda is allowed, christian thought is not. Why am I not suprised?
Hell in a handbasket.
CAIR can take their miseducation and stuff it. Islam isn’t all roses… in fact it’s more about bombs, jihad and caliphate than anything else. As evidenced by the 11178 terrorist attacks since 9/11.
“a 30-minute presentation about Islamic life as part of a yearlong study of respect, tolerance and culture”
What the hell? The MOST intolerant religion on the planet that exists primarily in the most oppressive and violent regimes on the planet, comes to America and lectures us on respect, tolerance and culture? How about we give them the same respect and tolerance they give to us and our culture - lets decapitate them, drag their lifeless bodies through the streets, spit on them and burn their flag, and outlaw all forms of islamic dress? How DARE they try to lecture Americans about tolerance!
Liberals understand todays Islam.
They wouldn’t seek to pacify and appease it, if there wasn’t something that need to be pacified or appeased.
Again and again liberals prove to themselves that they aren’t bigots, by behaving like bigots.
Underseige247 how about sending your kids with “lan astaslem” (I will not submit) in Arabic on their t-shirts instead.
Or better yet pork outfit! it might scare them off! LOL
This has been going on in LA - CA since 9/11 2001.
Tolerance - with your $$$$$ (taxes).
Kids are forced to learn. They’re forced to learn reading and math and biology (evolution).
One day’s understanding of one of the major religions of the world doesn’t seem out of line. Being educated means knowing something about the world.
This isnt a surprise.
If they arent going to do it for everyone, this shouldnt be allowed either.
but then again, being tolerant, as we’ve seen currently and in the past, just wont do. we need more islamo-intolerance and hatred. /sarc off
The first link, the one labeled CAIR, was blocked here at work by Websense with reason being “Sex”. FYI
It must be a good link!. I don’t blame the parents for being upset and the kid was right in his summary, according to the second link.
Amazing what the government school administartors feel is relevant or imnportant to tell parents and what isn’t it. I would love to see that flow chart hanging on the wall.
It’s been long stated that Islam intends to bring down the Western world from within and we will give them the weapons to do it!
“Muslims in the U.S. are Americans, not intruders,” he said. “They are not invaders; they are not outsiders. We are all Americans, and we are all working toward a better America.”
And yet you still do not publicly condemn islamic terrorism, you lying POS. Why don’t you be honest - when you say ‘working toward a better America’ you actually mean ‘working toward an islamic America’. Dr. Ahmed Ahmed, if you had any conviction in your empty rhetoric, you would be loudly condemning the acts of terror and oppression that are a part of your religion.
Just think of the liberal outrage if the local Baptist, Catholic, Lutheran, or Mormon churches would have been given the opportunity to indoctrinate the local kiddies with their messages. This constant Islamic creep by CAIR and their liberal allies is really starting to get my blood up. I feel for my brother that has two adorable little girls the state of Texas will get to indoctrinate in their child care gulags known as Public Schools. The Principal responsible for this outrage needs to be shown the door and banned from the education cartel in this country for life.
Star-Telegram.com:
Yeah well, we all know where the road lined with “good intention” leads, now don’t we?
Only because the kids were too smart to buy the “enlightening message” they were made a captive audience to - not that there wasn’t an intent to proselytize by the “visiting instructors.”
MM is right: where is the ACLU in this “religion & state” situation? Oh, that’s right - because the religion in question is not Christian or Jewish, it’s o.k. to blur the line.
Kids are taught to learn reading, math and biology. Whether or not they absorb and can apply that information is a whole other matter.
Christianity is included as one of the major religions of the world, yet you liberals turn inside out at the very mention of it being taught in schools. You know - separation of church and state. As much of a fallacy that is - you all still shout it from the mountaintops. I’m not surprised that your tolerance oozes out for everything Islamic. That’ll be your downfall. I tell you what, you aren’t taking me with you.
i would ask again…if these were Christians, or Pagans, or Buddhist…would you still be ok with them going to the school for the same reasons?
Education is one thing. But when other groups are often excluded…well, you get the idea.
Some how LGM i would be willing to bet that if they were teaching children about mass in school you would be upset.
LGM SAID:
So you agree having a Catholic father in the classroom would be a good thing then. I mean Catholicism is one of the major religions of the world.
There goes that deranged lgm again…
If this had been a lesson learning about the Ten Commandments and how to pray to Jesus you would be having a screaming hissy fit about seperation of church and state.
Hypocrite. T.L.H.
Dr. Ahmed Ahmed, a member of the board of directors for the Galveston Islamic Center, said there’s a common misperception that Muslims are somehow un-American. The few Muslims who have tainted the faith as terrorists have helped spread the myth that Islam is violent and extremist.
“Muslims in the U.S. are Americans, not intruders,” he said. “They are not invaders; they are not outsiders. We are all Americans, and we are all working toward a better America.”
Ahmed Ahmed should have been here on Ventura Blvd. CA on 9/11 2001. He would have observed the Muslim men- in various establishments- celabrating the attack that killed over 3,000. Religion of PEACE-I do not think so.
I forgot to add - I will not submit!
I just read “The P.I.G. to Islam (and the crusades)” and wonder what part of the peace loving religion the idiots at CAIR are teaching.
Is our society really that blind to the true about islam?
Has the Catholic church forgotten the past?
is it time for the 21st century crusaders to draw the line in the sand?
lgm us a piece of filth on the ground fit only to be trod and spat upon. You know you’re contradicting yourself lgm, but you just don’t care, because that’s the way a44holes like you roll.
If I was not clear in my last post:
Islam is NOT a religion of peace!!!!
DBNinKY…..It appears “ONE NATION UNDER ALLAH” isn’t frowned upon.
PSS
BUY DANISH!!!!
OK, lgm, I’ll bite.
Please indicate the Public School in the USA that forces the students to study Christianity for even 1 hour, much less one day.
It does if it’s Christianity.
The liberal view of the world or the facts?
Coming soon, more presentations in the series!
- How to make your marriage last, by Liz Taylor
- The Importance of Honesty, by Bill Clinton
- Thinking Rationally, by Barbara Streisand
the vicar at our church had as her intern project a series on Islam which included a tour of our local mosque. I brought my two daughters (10 & 13), which was encouraged. We learned about the 5 pillars as well as Muslim views and practices. It was very informative and enlightening.
Being in a church setting, I was able to address my kids’ questions and concerns in a manor that I felt comfortable with. This guidance is not available in the setting described above and the kids were essentially a captive audience. Wrong, wrong, wrong!
don’t forget
Allah is your friend, by muhammad
James,
Funny stuff!
I’d like to add:
How-To guide on patriotism, by Code Pink.
When are they bringing a Nazi in for a lecture? The 3rd Reich was a major factor in 20th century history. I’m sure they had a point of view that is misunderstood.
Everybody seems to think they were fascist extremists bent on world domination through mass murder, genocide, and terror. Clearly they were….. well… guilty of that, but probably misunderstood. If only some dumb**s school principal could get a nazi in to talk to our kids, we could straighten this out.
I’m not comparing Nazis to any particular religion because that religion (not any religion in particular) would send people out to kill me and would keep committing mass murder, genocide, and terror on the rest of us, Its a peace and tolerance thing.
If you don’t stand for something, you’ll fall for anything. lgm specifically, liberals in general.
The problems with this are as follows:
1) Not informing the parents per school policy.
2) Not having every religion represented. Or maybe they do. None of the news article specified whether later sessions were scheduled for Judaism, Buddhism, Christianity, etc.
I don’t think the focus should be specifically on Islam being taught as the problem here. I believe every public school should have some type of World Religion class where students learn the facts about every religion though. I think the problem is when people advocate these classes, what they really are trying to do is sneak in some Sunday school into public schools and that is a big no-no.
Strangely enough, I have not heard anything about this even though I live in Houston.
lgm would agree only on the terms that it be Michael Pfleiger.
Here’s another one.
full story
I would agree with this statement when taken on face value:
However, When the public schools refuse for ANYONE to even speak the word “God” as related to our Christian beliefs, then I must protest.
If that was the true purpose, then why not also teach the children the following (you know, to be fair and balanced).
1. The 10 Commandments of the Old Testament. (to balance the “5 steps”).
2. The Lords Prayer (to show the most common prayer among the Cristian faiths).
3. There is one God, known by many names by many relegions (NOT just ALLAH by Muslims).
It would be more acceptable to teach this since it is the most common belief system in the US. But instead, they go to the extreme (is that surprising?) and force our children to receive religious training of the most violent religion in modern day.
When will we stop these brain damaged radicals from stripping US Citizens of their rights? Hollyweird, el’pinkos and all need to be told “NO!”.
OH LGM…………rehab is calling !
*** (except christianity)
McGusto, could you please give me a list of ALL RELIGIONS? Please enclude ENVIRONMENTALILLNESS.
Our country and the public school system needs to return to the traditional teaching and dispilines provided to our children prior to the 60s. The left has been successful in infiltrating our once great educational system and has developed it into an endoctrinization system of the liberal ideology. We must find a way (or better way) to reverse this process.
ACLU??? Wherrrreeee arrrrreeee yyyyouuu???? oh never mind, its a muslim group.
CAIR, of all people!! They bring in CAIR with their ties to terrorists and expect parents to sit idly by and do nothing. There is no equivalence.
The school principal thought it was a good idea to bring in terrorists to indoctrinate children about Islam. This is insane.
I agree 100%. Thank you for the comment.
No mention of CAIR at all in that Star-Telegram article. Just a little “xenophobic” meat to throw to the wolves.
I agree, that things should be more balanced. But if we really were to make it fair, we’d have to teach things more rounded.
To do so, we’d have to teach other stuff as well, such as:
The Noble Eightfold Path, from Buddhism
The Four Affirmations, from Shintoism (honestly, i’d rather teach them Bushido, but for sake of just including religious information -though i could also argue for bushido personally)
Or how about the teachings of Confucius (its possible to argue this isnt a religion, but its prevalent enough I believe to warrant discussion).
I wouldnt mind if someone had discussions about any of these. Its just indoctrinating and trying to preach to kids that worries me, *regardless* of who it is.
lgm, this is CAIR teaching the kids. You really think they’ll be giving an objective view of Islam? More likely it’ll be a whitewashed version of Islamic history that leaves out all the nasty bits and portrays it as the ultimate Religion of Peace™. In other words, they’ll be outright lying to advance their agenda.
lgm said:
I think lgm must be homosexual or a Nazi, or both.
khan,
Don’t be stuck on stupid. Try the other link - the one that actually says CAIR.
The principal did not announce the event beforehand for one reason, and one reason ONLY : he knew that he would never have gotten permission to do it.
As it stands now, he’s asking for forgiveness. UP HIS!
Fire the creep.
Yeah, funny how Christianity is never a part of “respect, tolerance, and culture”.
Okay, so then we’ll have a day to pray the Rosary and the stations of the Cross, a day to read the Bible, a day to read the Torah.
We *never* see a comprehensive education regarding the Judeo-Christian values and religions that worked to shape Western Culture. A valedictorian mentions her personal faith at her speech, she’s cut off. A public Nativity? Can’t have that.
Liberals - especially secular/atheist liberals - love to say religion has no place outside the privacy of one’s home…if it’s Christianity. Otherwise, it is part of learning “cultural diversity” to pretend to be Muslim.
Only Islam. Only the “politically correct” crap.
I agree, but would emphasize instead that these teachings be a separate elective course as someone mentioned earlier, such as “World Religion”.
The current situation as reported is a violation of our rights and amounts to nothing more than indoctrination.
In my point of view, this is a criminal act that should be immediately rectified. If not, then I hope and pray someone has the time and money to bring litigation against CAIR, the public school and all those responsible.
All bullys and spoiled children should not be rewarded when they “stomp their feet” to get their way. Instead, they should be disciplined and instructed in the meaning of Freedom and Tolerance and civilized behavior.
Enforce the separation of Church and State when it comes to Jesus, but look the other way if it’s about the religion of perpetual hate. Fantasitc!!!!!#@!!!!!!!
lgm said:
‘One day’s understanding of one of the major religions of the world doesn’t seem out of line.” First and most important, islam is NOT a religion, it is a cult. Its adherents pray to an ancient Meccan moon god whose name just happened to be — you guessed it— allah. mohammad just picked this one out of the 300+ gods available for worship at that particular point in history. Out of all the names in the Bible for God, not once is the name allah used. I refuse to have my children sit through indoctrination about a cult and their warped, misguided, self-contradicting “religion of peace (submission)”.
Tolerance? Tolerance? Look as hard as I might, I couldn’t any dictionary that defines tolerance as ‘kill everyone that disagrees with you’.
30pcs of silver,
I urge you to use your brain, your eyes, and develop some reading comprehension. No go back and reread what I wrote and see if you can figure it out.
Well, any xeno willing to kill me and my family for not believing what he believes is worthy of a certain amount of suspicion, if you ask me.
Geez. Touchy.
The first article is about CAIR. The second article (Star Telegram) isn’t about CAIR. She didn’t say that it would be. However, when you follow the link what you find there is yet another example of Islamic leaders attempting to indoctrinate our children. How’s that for reading comprehension? Wait, nevermind, you wouldn’t know anything about that.
“Meat to the wolves.” How insulting.
Besides, where’s your outrage over the initial link?
CAIRCare to add your two cents there? Just more “manufactured outrage” by the likes of the most “tolerant” among us.Jose, what “separation of church and state” are you referring to?
None such exists. It is made up.
wanted to see that again, thx.
NOT if it’s a LIE, which islam is.
30pcs,
You continue to be so far off the mark, it isn’t funny. I wasn’t speaking about Michelle’s post or the other link; I was speaking about the Star-Telegram article and what it did and did not contain. The subtext of my post was about the biased media, or a media who buries its head in the sand.Hence, no mention of CAIR but instead plucking a quote to illustrate what the media believes to be a typical backwards xenophobic American. The use of the quotes around “xenophobic” should have tipped you off. Along with reading comprehension, please develop some critical reading skills. If you’d calm down for two seconds, you would realize our views do not differ.
#57,
please note the use of quotes.
We have waited for nearly 8 years for all of those “moderate” and “peaceful” followers of the Muslim faith to come forward and openly condemn the terrorism being perpetuated in the name of their religion by the jihadi extremists …
Talk about “Silence of the Lambs” … they are definitely a bunch of cowardly sheep …
All these folks have to do to change peoples opinion about them is to stand up for that very same America they claim to be citizens of and start to assimilate into the culture of this country …
Being an American is not something that is automatic simply because you have chosen to move here … it is a way of life … it is a society that believes in the rights of every individual … but does not believe in the imposition of Sharia of any other “law” to supersede the laws of this country …
It is time to put an end to these barbaric teachings and their subsequent barbaric acts in the name of religion …
I’ll admit when I am wrong… no ego here. I’ll ignore the rest of your post about my reading comprehension and critical thinking skills - no sense in arguing with you at this point, right? Not that I would understand… /sarc
Don’t bother asking where the ACLU is. They’re a bunch of slick, well financed scum dedicated to the destruction of the foundations of American society.
Rather, my question is, where the hell are the parents? They’re your kids. You pay for their educations.It’s your job to keep informed and act in their best interests.
Get informed, get involved , get off of your asses and open your mouths.
Well, I guess the ACLU hasn’t found the “separation of mosque and state” anywhere in the constitution.
Oh, that’s right…that only applies to church and state.
Silly me.
#64,
That seems a bit strange to me. My parents didn’t know every single word uttered by my teachers or presenters in grade school or high school, nor did I tell them (”How was school today?” “It was ok.”). In this instance, the school did not notify the parents about this presentation. You know who did? The kids did.
Can local Christian Churches teach “kids”-about-Jesus Christ?
I’ve seen much worse in California. Five years ago, middle schoolers were spending weeks on a course called ‘Islam.’
Looks like I’ll need to flush another Koran. It offsets the anger I feel when I see these stories. Try it, you’ll like it.
No sale , Khan. When I was a kid, my parents (and most of my friends), were active- not just in questioning us in detail, not just how was school today, but questioning principals, teachers, wanting to see material ,etc..
This crap doesn’t get to this point and others on it’s own. It gets here when enough people abdicate their responsibilities to allow it to go on, and take hold.
interesting thread so far…
I would say though, for khan’s sake..
Better to be the wolves, than the sheep.
I’m teaching my kids about Islam. I’m also teaching them about the founding of America.
We homeschool.
It’s a wonderful thing.
John Ansell, you owe me FITTY BUCKS.
I’m going to sell you one of my KORAN FLUSHING CREDITS.
I’ve got more!!!
tomk59,
As were mine. And I seriously doubt your parents grilled you and your teachers/admins every single day during your primary and secondary education. No one was abdicating anything (other than turning their children over to the government to be “educated”); the school did not notify the parents as they should have. Credit the kids with telling their parents. It’s not as if the parents are being passive after having learned about it.
#71,
abstractmind,
no one here wants to be the wolves in my scenario. that is, unless you are a pinko ACLU-loving liberal. well, lgm maybe.
Since I certainly am not one of those folks…
But I would cast my comment in the light of being vigilant against people doing stupid crap like this school did
Didn’t say everyday, Khan. But more than enough to keep informed, and more than enough to keep our teachers and admin honest.
PTA meetings were SRO.Before I left New Jersey, they were all but empty.
The point is, not being aware of this presentation - especially since the school didn’t notify them - in no way means the parents are not involved, or whatever else you accused them of being.
I am going to contact the Archdiocese of Galveston-Houston and ask them to request to speak at Friendswood School. If they get denied, then that settles the truth we all know. Here is the contact email for Special Youth Services: mballow@archgh.org
Superintendent of FISD:
Superintendent of Schools
Trish Hanks thanks@fisdk12.net
undrseige247 said (#48):
Which is worse?
tbbass said (#54):
Arabic and Hebrew are closely related languages, like German and English. The German name Gud is almost the same as the English God. The Arabic Allah is almost the Hebrew El. You might see a Jewish “house of worship” called Beth El, which means House of God.
Others
It would be fine to have a priest come in one day and tell the kids about Christianity, as long as it’s done without proselytizing: “Christians believe that a man named Jesus was the son of God, that Christians worship him by going to Chruch, …”
Vee vill not tolerate intolerance!!! Hypocrite.
Are we surprised?
Fifteen years ago, I was a jr. high teacher. At an assemble for MLK, the students were told to stand and pledge to the African Solidarity flag. I told my “redneck” boys to stand out of respect, but that they did NOT have to pledge! Nearly all the other students in the gym, DID! LEMMINGS!
Fair enough, Khan. But seeing all of these problems in schools across the land, I’d bet dollars to doughnuts the parents are at least part of the problem.
More to the point; what are the parents going to do about it?
Teach them this about that false religion.
A Nazi.
So a priest is the same as a terrorist to you?
Parents are not allowed into the schools today. When I taught in public school, parents had an open invitation. About two took me up on it and both were good experiences.
Danger Will Robinson, Danger. Wake up America !
Not informing the parents beforehand was the biggest mistake by far. The school system probably knew that informing the parents beforehand wouldn’t of allowed the program to be taught.
Case in point from personal experience…While in 4th grade, I and five other left-handed kids had to take half of our lunch period and spend it being forced to write right handed. This went on until one of the kids told their parents about it. Seems the school system never bothered to tell any parent what they were doing. And I know we who had to do this was never given a reason why.
It was stopped when the parents raised the roof at the next PTA meeting. I don’t know the reasoning behind why they were trying to make us write right-handed, but it was the fact that the school system felt they didn’t have to inform the parents beforehand was what caused the biggest stink.
This was all back in the late 50’s in Northern Indiana.
The public school system knows what’s best for our kids. Parents are a bunch of idiots in need of their professional guidance. (sarc.)
How did our society successfully raise children prior to the creation of the public school system?
Chief RZ….this is not so in our schools. (Louisiana)
Parents are always encouraged to come to all assemblies, award programs, volunteer….etc. I have lunch at school with my 9yr old at least twice a month.
My sister-in-law and my sister are both teachers and they are always complaining that parents don’t participate enough. Which is what I beleive also. I feel that the majority of parents today look at school as free babsitting.
I went to Catholic school for 12 years. My senior year we had a class called “Faith & Knowledge” where we focused a few weeks at a time on all the religions (we never had a Catholic religious class the entire 4 years) and we had ministers, rabbi’s and even an imam come and discuss each ones religion. It was interesting and I learned quite a bit but I’ll be darned if CAIR would have come in.
Church and state-yeah right. Where is the ACLU?
Which is worse??
A gay Nazi.
Hmmm, its all about tolerance. I wonder if they are teaching the Islamic view of gays in their class?
Obama is tolerant. His BIGOT CHURCH allows other BIGOTS to speak.
As long as are anti-white bigots.
I believe the Islamic view of gays is through a rifle sight.