Awwwww: Sniveling Michael Pfleger needs a wah-mbulance Update: Finally, a suspension…to “reflect”

By Michelle Malkin  •  June 3, 2008 01:16 PM

Iced, iced baby:

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Scroll down for updates…Pflger has been temporarily suspended from the St. Sabina church, reports CBS 2 in Chicago….to “reflect on his recent statements”…

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Say it with me: Boo-freaking-hoo. Via the Chicago Sun-Times’ Cathleen Falsani:

Pfleger has apologized for “the words that I chose” and for “my dramatization.” Pfleger told me he called the Clinton campaign to apologize directly but had not heard back from Clinton or her representatives.

All that is well and good, but how, as a friend and passionate supporter of Obama’s campaign for president, could he do what he did, with cameras rolling?

Pfleger’s short answer? He didn’t think the service and his “conversation” — a more casual address than a classic sermon, he explained — were being broadcast live online, as Trinity often does.

“They told me it was down,” Pfleger said. “Their live streaming had been down all day, and they didn’t know whether it was back up. . . . I regret the dramatization that I was naive enough to believe was just going to be kept among that church.”

Even Falsani couldn’t stomach Pfleger’s self-sorrow:

It’s a rare occasion when Pfleger and I find ourselves at a loss for words.

Pfleger’s about as cowed as I’ve ever seen him. He’s reeling, really, from what he admits is a difficult predicament of his own making. Over the weekend, he said that the days since his Trinity address had been the most difficult of his life, even more painful than when his foster son Jarvis was gunned down near St. Sabina on May 30, 1998.

I’ve spoken to Pfleger many times about Jarvis’ death and couldn’t believe he said this. It sounded like the worst kind of narcissism, and I told him so.

Pull out the victim card in 3, 2, 1…

“This is a dangerous time in America, the freest country in the world,” Pfleger says, “where you have to whisper your thoughts.”

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Via CBS 2 in Chicago:

CBS 2 News has learned that Francis Cardinal George is temporarily removing Father Michael Pfleger from his position as pastor of St. Sabina Roman Catholic Church on Chicago’s South Side.

CBS 2 Chief Correspondent Jay Levine reports the move comes after several days of deliberation and consultation by the Cardinal, who first learned about Pfleger’s racially charged comments about Sen. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton from the pulpit of Trinity Unity Church of Christ last Thursday night.

The Cardinal immediately contacted Pfleger who agreed not to refer to the presidential candidates by name, but as CBS 2 reported at the time, there remained the possibility of some further disciplinary action against Pfleger.

The Cardinal reportedly spoke to Pfleger again this morning.

A spokesman for the archdiocese would neither confirm nor deny action had been taken to remove Pfleger. Another spokesman said she expected to have some announcement later today.

Karl at Protein Wisdom: “Perhaps he can take that time to reflect on his sickness of the soul that considers the political embarrassment of the past few days as even more painful than when his foster son Jarvis was gunned down near St. Sabina on May 30, 1998. Given his track record, it seems unlikely.”

More from the Sun-Times.

Guess the Cardinal found some balls.

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  1. #339777
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 1:18 pm, John Ansell said:

    That’s a whisper? Damn wonder how it would sound if he was shouting from the mountain tops.

  2. #339779
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 1:19 pm, MNUSMCDavid said:

    So let me understand this….. Video on…. he’s a regular priest….. video off, he’s the race baiting misogynist……. seems the latter is the true character.

  3. #339784
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 1:20 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    Cry baby, cry baby, wipe your dirty eyes…

    “This is a dangerous time in America, the freest country in the world,” Pfleger says, “where you have to whisper your thoughts.”

    He meant “G-ddamn America.” You didn’t hear it? I did.

  4. #339785
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 1:21 pm, ajmontana said:

    It’s official, he’s a L.I.A.R.

  5. #339786
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 1:21 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    what the… not sure what happened my post. I’ll try again.

  6. #339788
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 1:21 pm, Boomer said:

    I guess this idiot hasn’t figured out that words have meaning yet.

  7. #339789
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 1:22 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    Cry baby, cary baby. Wipe your dirty eyes.

    “This is a dangerous time in America, the freest country in the world,” Pfleger says, “where you have to whisper your thoughts.”

    He meant G-ddamn America. You didn’t hear it? I did.

    Ah, that’s better.

  8. #339792
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 1:23 pm, Texas Tiger said:

    Pfleger has apologized for “the words that I chose” and for “my dramatization.”

    What do you expect from a full on drama queen?

  9. #339794
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 1:23 pm, single stack said:

    He’s only sorry because he got caught.
    and..what was his son involved in that got him killed?

    “This is a dangerous time in America, the freest country in the world,” Pfleger says, “where you have to whisper your thoughts.”

    This is an evil man.

  10. #339795
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 1:24 pm, letget said:

    This man said it, it was filmed, that is what he really feels, the congregation seemed to agree, and he got caught. I do not believe for a minute he is sorry for what he said.
    L

  11. #339797
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 1:25 pm, Texas Tiger said:

    “This is a dangerous time in America, the freest country in the world,” Pfleger says, “where you have to whisper your thoughts…”

    “…or devise a restroom tap code to communicate them.”

    Finished his thought.

  12. #339799
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 1:27 pm, ajmontana said:

    Phlegmger

  13. #339803
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 1:28 pm, Lan Astaslem said:

    As usual with the libs, it’s always:

    me, me, ME!!! Look at ME!!!! oh wait! damn! You weren’t supposed to look at me at that specific time!! That’s not really ME! …and my non-apology apology is that I apologize if anyone was offended…

    [barf]

    Like I said in an earlier comment, libs make my head hurt. I suffered through the pain and signed the petition requesting not only that this jerk be removed from the priesthood, but also that he be excommunicated because his beliefs are certainly not in-line with the teachings of the Catholic church. Not holding my breath though.

  14. #339804
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 1:29 pm, GOPGin said:

    Pfleger’s short answer? He didn’t think the service and his “conversation” — a more casual address than a classic sermon, he explained — were being broadcast live online, as Trinity often does.

    “They told me it was down,” Pfleger said. “Their live streaming had been down all day, and they didn’t know whether it was back up. . . . I regret the dramatization that I was naive enough to believe was just going to be kept among that church.”

    So he only said those things because he thought the people of Trinity were the only people listening. He doesn’t regret what he said, he regrets that it was videotaped.

  15. #339805
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 1:29 pm, walterc said:

    So he’s not sorry he said that crap, just that it was recorded and he’s been called on it.

    What Putz.

    “This is a dangerous time in America, the freest country in the world,” Pfleger says, “where you have to whisper your thoughts.”

    Thanks to the ACLU and other liberal thinkers like you, you moron. (my apologies to morons).

  16. #339806
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 1:30 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    Another non-apology, apology.

  17. #339807
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 1:30 pm, alaskangrizzly said:

    Say it with me: Boo-freaking-hoo.

    Boo-freaking-hoo. T.L.H. in action right there. Whisper? That comment is a mockery of the true persecution the church that actually follows the teachings of Christ and doesn’t just give it lip service like this viper. There is no comparison between this and the communist jails and beatings and killings at the hands of the Soviets to the persecuted church in Eastern Europe for nearly 50 years where a whisper truly would get you killed for professing your belief in God.

    Someone get a whaaaaambulance in here stat to pick up this piece of garbage.

  18. #339808
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 1:31 pm, Send_Me said:

    “This is a dangerous time in America, the freest country in the world,” Pfleger says, “where you have to whisper your thoughts.”

    This is a testament to the freedom we have in this country. He’s safe at home: no one is going to physically hurt him. However, free speech is a two way street: he can speak, and I can speak in disagreement. You may have your feelings and pride hurt, but no one will touch you. If someone tries, we, as fellow citizens, will stop it. What’s not free about this? From his point of view, Castro must live in the freest society ever.

  19. #339809
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 1:32 pm, katieanne said:

    “This is a dangerous time in America, the freest country in the world,” Pfleger says, “where you have to whisper your thoughts.”</blockquote

    Bummer, accountability for hate speech. A concept the father apparently doesn’t comprehend. He seems to feel it would have been ok if it was only hate speech for the benefit of the congregation. What a shame everyone got to see this hater for what he is.

  20. #339810
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 1:32 pm, tedZilla99 said:

    Amazing – nothing wrong with what he said, just that other people heard it. I have no idea how this jerk is still a priest.

  21. #339817
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 1:35 pm, kyconservative said:

    Over the weekend, he said that the days since his Trinity address had been the most difficult of his life, even more painful than when his foster son Jarvis was gunned down near St. Sabina on May 30, 1998.

    I’m sorry, but that is the most disgusting thing I have ever heard. To compare the shooting of a human with the “pain” of him running his mouth and hating his country is just disgusting. He sickens me and I can’t believe that the Catholic Church hasn’t yanked his collar yet. Forget politics, forget the hatred of America, the Church is supposed to be in support of life at all times and this man not only supports a pro-abortion candidate, but he is equating the shooting of a child with the pain of his own words coming back to bite him in the butt. He is a fraud and now everyone knows it.

  22. #339819
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 1:38 pm, abstractmind said:

    There are places, listed in Dante’s Inferno, where people like this scum are going to be sent.

    Hope thats where the waambulance drops his sorry @$$ off at.

  23. #339820
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 1:39 pm, gandolphxx said:

    Clever clown, he wouldn’t have spewed this poison if he knew anyone could hear it – LMAO.

  24. #339821
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 1:39 pm, dakine said:

    TexasTiger, you lose me with some of your stuff, but dude, that was bad (and I mean in a good way) and funny as hell.

  25. #339823
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 1:39 pm, JammieWearingFool said:

    Poor Reverend Vanilla Ice. Oh, he realizes now you have to whisper certain things? Welcome to race-based politics, Democrat Party-style.

    Maybe he could do like the real Vanilla Ice and just disappear.

  26. #339824
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 1:40 pm, Southpaw said:

    “This is a dangerous time in America, the freest country in the world,” Pfleger says, “where you have to whisper your thoughts.”

    Welcome to the PC fascist world that the liberal elitists have created for the rest of us, Reverand.

  27. #339827
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 1:40 pm, Ordinary Coloradan said:

    The Cardinal needs to remove him NOW! Put him in a small rural parish, and tell him to get back in touch with God instead of social activism.

  28. #339828
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 1:41 pm, josetheguerilla said:

    Boo-freaking-hoo!!!!!!!!!!

  29. #339831
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 1:43 pm, Mookie said:

    It’s a shame his views have become so twisted because the guy really worked his tail off to improve the neighborhood and community around St. Sabina.

  30. #339835
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 1:45 pm, Cicero said:

    He really thinks that the only problem with his rant is that it was televised?

    Hey “father,” if what’s coming out of your mouth is so putrid that you wouldn’t want it televised, maybe, just MAYBE, you shouldn’t be saying it at all!

    Schmuck.

  31. #339837
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 1:45 pm, ctmom said:

    “This is a dangerous time in America, the freest country in the world,” Pfleger says, “where you have to whisper your thoughts.”

    Nobody has to whisper in this great country. But you sure do have to suffer the consequences like a man when you say something REALLY STUPID!

  32. #339838
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 1:45 pm, swmbo said:

    WHISPER, I haven’t noticed ANY of them whispering. Guess he forgot it is Obamessiah who keeps telling people what they can and can’t talk about. No talk about ears, middle name, wife, etc!!!!! They make me sick. Sure hope he is as offended by me as I am of him.

    THEY MAKE ME SICK !! I don’t have to whisper.

  33. #339839
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 1:46 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    “This is a dangerous time in America, the freest country in the world,” Pfleger says, “where you have to whisper your thoughts.”

    Dude, get over yourself.

    In this digital age, everything you say or do could end up on the Internet, cell phone video, digital camera, etc. The problem is your liberal, race-baiting rhetoric doesn’t sit well with many, many Americans.

    I wish I could ask him a pointed question: since he so disdains this nation, and the Catholic Church, why is he a priest?

    Aside from being defrocked, priests have left of their own accord in the past – for many reasons.

    My guess is Pfleger needs the title and power that comes with it to soothe his inflated ego.

  34. #339843
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 1:48 pm, toubabou said:

    Michael Pfleger the wah-mpire wasn’t so apologetic when he threatened to snuff a licensed gun seller. Oh, he managed the “I didn’t know what snuff out means” defense, but that’s pretty weak. No, it’s criticizing Hillary that’s a bridge too far for him, at least when it hits the national media.

    Re: Ordinary Coloradan #26, I don’t think it would be fair to burden a small rural parish with this person. If the Catholic hierarchy wants to keep him in orders they should sent him to a monastery to get his head right. He should not be given any authority over laity.

  35. #339845
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 1:49 pm, rambler said:

    Note to Pfleger: LIFE SUCKS! Now GET OVER IT! This guy has the maturity of a nat. Part of maturity is thinking through a situation to see what the consequences might be and further, to OWN his screw-ups. He has made excuses for NOT taking responsibility for his behavior. No one caused this man to say what he said. He grabbed the limelight deliberately. Anyone with a cellphone can record a situation and presto, get it on the web. Technology has exposed these morons for what they are; thrusting them into the public eye to receive the condemnation they deserve.

  36. #339848
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 1:50 pm, taylork said:

    Over the weekend, he said that the days since his Trinity address had been the most difficult of his life, even more painful than when his foster son Jarvis was gunned down near St. Sabina on May 30, 1998.

    I suppose this shows how much he values life.

  37. #339852
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 1:50 pm, Texas Tiger said:

    On June 3rd, 2008 at 1:43 pm, Mookie said:

    It’s a shame his views have become so twisted because the guy really worked his tail off to improve the neighborhood and community around St. Sabina.

    Uhhhhh, no. It was the taxpayers bled to the tune of $100K who deserve the credit.

    Typical of Mr. Obama’s earmarks was a $100,000 grant for a youth center at a Catholic church run by the Rev. Michael Pfleger, a controversial priest who was one of the few South Side clergymen to back Mr. Obama against Mr. Rush.

    Father Pfleger has long worked with South Side political leaders to reduce crime and improve the community. But he has drawn fire from some quarters for defending the Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan and inviting him to speak at his church. Father Pfleger, who did not return calls for comment, is one of the religious leaders whose “faith testimonials” Mr. Obama has posted on his presidential campaign Web site.

    David Axelrod, the chief strategist for the Obama presidential campaign, said that Father Pfleger was “remaking the face” of Chicago’s South Side and that all of Mr. Obama’s earmarks went to worthy programs like his.

  38. #339853
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 1:51 pm, khan said:

    He thought the live streaming wasn’t up?

    That’s a lie. His own words: “I’m sorry. I don’t wanna get you in any mo’ trouble. The livestreaming just went out again…”

    How could it go out “again” if it wasn’t up or if he didn’t know it was up?

  39. #339861
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 1:54 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    I regret the dramatization that I was naive enough to believe was just going to be kept among that church.”

    Pfleger? Obama? Mrs. O? Wright? Any of them might have said that.

    And Falsani, I think a closer look is in order. Sounds like she’s an unusual journalist these days. You know, asks questions, questions answers, that sort of thing.

  40. #339866
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 1:56 pm, misfit138 said:

    “To the extreme I rock a mic like a vandal, Light up the stage and wax a chump like a candle”.

    Ice Ice Baby!

  41. #339867
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 1:56 pm, undrseige247 said:

    Who’s the biggest submoron Flim-Flam Pfleger or Buttface Babs Boxer? These people should be confined to a mental institution.

  42. #339875
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 2:00 pm, Hector Berlioz said:

    “This is a dangerous time in America, the freest country in the world,” Pfleger says, “where you have to whisper your thoughts.”

    Bwahahahaha! You know you’ve nailed it right when the dopes say something that asinine.

  43. #339877
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 2:01 pm, flmom said:

    There’s that old wisdom, “Character is what we do when no-one is watching”, Pleger thought no-one was watching and we all saw the content of his character, now he has the chutzpah to play the victim.

  44. #339879
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 2:01 pm, libocrat said:

    undrseige!!! Denver is going to be a freak show.
    Have you ever been to a democrat party event.
    Freaks and more freaks. Losers and panhandlers. Little to NO deodorant.
    Union t-shirts and hats. Waitresses who don’t get a tip. Then the faux patriotism of RED-WHITE and BLUE styrofoam hats. (probably banned the styrofoam this time).
    My brother is a law enforcement officer in Denver, he says the CIRCUS has already hit town. And it’s not pretty.

  45. #339880
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 2:01 pm, Ron Rockstar said:

    Mookie, Al Capone did nice things for the folks in his neighborhood as well. David Duke has done some nice things too. Do you want to praise him? It doesn’t matter what the debate is about. You always take the stupid position. In this instance with Pfleger you are definitely the devil’s advocate.

  46. #339881
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 2:02 pm, Mookie said:

    On June 3rd, 2008 at 1:23 pm, single stack said:

    He’s only sorry because he got caught.
    and..what was his son involved in that got him killed?

    Nothing. He was walking home from church and got caught in gang crossfire.

    Uhhhhh, no. It was the taxpayers bled to the tune of $100K who deserve the credit.

    I’m not talking about the earmarked programs. I’m talking about things he’s been doing for years, long before Obama came into the picture. His work with keeping kids away from drugs and alcohol is pretty legendary in that part of the city. The local stores loathe him.

    I’m not defending anything he has said. There’s no place for that in the church and it has forever tarnished his legacy. I think that’s a shame but it’s his own fault, no one else’s.

  47. #339889
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 2:07 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    What exactly was the apology for?

    Did he not mean what he said, After all he is a man, isn’t he?

  48. #339891
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 2:09 pm, nyc123me said:

    It’s a prepared sermon, and he did not know the tapes would supposedly not be rolling when he prepared it. This apology is a load of crap.

  49. #339895
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 2:11 pm, RhymesWithRight said:

    What Mikey doesn’t understand is that no one is expecting him to whisper his thoughts. no one wants him silenced.

    indeed, it seems just the opposite — he considers it offensive that his critics dare to express themselves at all.

  50. #339896
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 2:12 pm, wise_man said:

    On June 3rd, 2008 at 1:19 pm, MNUSMCDavid said: So let me understand this….. Video on…. he’s a regular priest….. video off, he’s the race baiting misogynist……. seems the latter is the true character.

    Yup.

    That, and “it’s youtube’s fault!”

  51. #339897
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 2:13 pm, CleanGuy said:

    It’s called manners. You only talk about people behind their backs. In the digital age, that means if you’re told the cameras are off and the weblink is down, then you can say whatever you want. He’s not sorry for what he said; he’s sorry he got caught.

    Anyone know if the attendence at his own St. Sabina’s Church has declined?

  52. #339899
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 2:15 pm, RetFireman said:

    Pfleger’s short answer? He didn’t think the service and his “conversation” — a more casual address than a classic sermon, he explained — were being broadcast live online, as Trinity often does.

    “They told me it was down,” Pfleger said. “Their live streaming had been down all day, and they didn’t know whether it was back up. . . . I regret the dramatization that I was naive enough to believe was just going to be kept among that church.”

    Umm…excuse me?

    Let me get this straight…had he known he was being filmed, he would not have said and done what he did…and THIS is what constitutes a sincere apology?

    “Gee…I’m really sorry that what I said was filmed. had I only known, I would have waited until the cameras were off…like I have done in the past around Obama. I am not saying that what I said was wrong, or that I do not feel that way…just would have kept it on the down low. you know…amongst my peeps here in the Congregation. I thought we all in this here “church” would keep it our dirty little secret.”

    Seriously…he honestly thinks that is a good thing? He believes that as long as no one knows, he can go around being a racist, biggotted hate-monger?

    I think there is the perfect society made for people like him. They pride themselves on being “Invisible”, and even the FBI has a difficult time infiltrating them. The Klan is just up his alley. They hate Israel, mock blacks with phony Ebonics, and keep their doings secret amongst themselves.

    The worst kind of racist is one who thinks he isn’t being a racist at all.

    As a Third Degree K of C, as a life-long Catholic, going all 12 years through school, I can say that this man is no Priest of the Roman Catholic Denomination. The fact that the Cardinal and all the way up to Rome itself has allowed this wolf in a Roman Collar to continue in the Church without being booted from the Priesthood…let alone not being ex-communicated shows a great disservice to the Catholic Faith as a whole…or shows that this horrid person has some really good dirt on someone.

    I can only hope, and pray, that the individual Doocese in Illinois are working dilligently to have this man thrown out on his butt.

    If he wants to carry on the way he is, then he can start a new career in Tent Revivals or some other form of religious theatrics, for he no longer represents all that the Collar he wears does.

    I just hope they are recording the moment that he is thrown from the Church and broadcast it. Let him rant and rave about that.

  53. #339900
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 2:15 pm, tuffy said:

    More painful than the gunning down of a person? Uh, no.

  54. #339901
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 2:17 pm, chris3cube said:

    I’M WHITE!
    I’M SUBTITLED!
    THERE’S A BLACK MAN FILMING MY SHOW!
    (wiping my dry cheeks)

  55. #339903
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 2:18 pm, Misscheryl said:

    Their live streaming had been down all day, and they didn’t know whether it was back up. . . . I regret the dramatization that I was naive enough to believe was just going to be kept among that church.”

    Phlegm, boo-freakin-hooo

  56. #339904
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 2:18 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    That picture of him is hilarious! He was really fired up!

  57. #339905
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 2:19 pm, Yashmak said:

    “This is a dangerous time in America, the freest country in the world,” Pfleger says, “where you have to whisper your thoughts.”

    A) He didn’t have to whisper his thoughts. No one does.

    B) He’s upset not about having to whisper, which he didn’t, but about having to face the consequences of what he has said. There has never been any sort of a right to freedom of consequences for the things you can freely say.

  58. #339907
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 2:20 pm, tgusa said:

    He’s a moron, are there no minimum qualifications required to become a priest these days? Take a gander at leftard reasoning they believe that the first amendment sez that they can say whatever they want without being challenged. He’s complaining about other Americans responses to his rants, he wants his free speech rights. However, if you challenge him your first amendment rights don’t mean the same thing. Priest Moron and followers, America has the first amendment and that gives you the right to say what you want it doesn’t guarantee you the response you think you should receive. There is no amendment that protects you from other people’s speech or thoughts, how inconvenient. No wonder the black community finds itself in their predicament, they are being led by the mentally ill, its quite possibly the greatest crime ever perpetrated on a young generation of American kids. In related news, Mugabe blames the grave situation in Zimbabwe on whitey, the more things change the more they stay the same.

    Oh and don’t forget apologies are like @#$holes, everyone has one. They mean nothing these days, they can apologize to God, most of us humans don’t believe a word that they say.

  59. #339911
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 2:24 pm, mdt1964 said:

    Good catch Kahn. I thought the same thing when I read that.

  60. #339914
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 2:27 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    Tell me lies… tell me sweet little lies.

  61. #339915
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 2:28 pm, RetFireman said:

    I’m not talking about the earmarked programs. I’m talking about things he’s been doing for years, long before Obama came into the picture. His work with keeping kids away from drugs and alcohol is pretty legendary in that part of the city. The local stores loathe him.

    So? Doing good deeds does not give someone carte` blanc to go around doing bad things. As said in a different post, Hitler did a great many good things for Germany in the post WWI years of the 30’s after he came to power. Castro, Stalin, Mussolini, Bin Laden have all done good things for their individual places of residence as well. Should they be given passes on all the evil they have committed just because of that? No. The mot heinous individual has done good at some point as well. Should that excuse them? No.

    i am sick of hearing all these disclaimers about Wright, Pflager, Trinity and anyone else that is involved in all this. It makes no difference what good they are doing or have done in the past. It in no way should be used as a disclaimer or an excusal of their wrong doings.

    These people all need to be held accountable for their words and deeds, regardless of what they have done good in the past…or even present. Period.

    And obama needs to be held accountable for the company he keeps. Lay down with dogs, wake up with fleas. A person IS judged by the company he keeps. If he does not have the common sense to avoid individuals of such questionable morals and values, then how can he be expected to make the right, moral, and just decisions when called on to do so. He cannot say that he has all these people as “SPiritual Advisors” and close friends etc., then say he knows nothing of their personal beliefs and philosophies.

    I know all about my friends beliefs and philosophies, and I would expect that everyone does. If Obama is to be believed, then that would mean we all have to believe he is the most ignorant, stupid and dull-witted person to ever wander the face of the earth, let alone run for President.

    Of course, the fact that he allegedly had no clue as to the beliefs and philosophies of Wright and Pflager just might explain why he does not understand the dagers surrounding a nuclear Iran, why he thinks that all Islam needs is a hug and a pat on the pooper and all will be right with the world and all the other Kumbaya theories and beliefs he holds as to foreighn policy and National Defense issues.

  62. #339917
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 2:29 pm, tomlw said:

    “This is a dangerous time in America, the freest country in the world,” Pfleger says, “where you have to whisper your thoughts…”

    I agree. Try expressing a pro-life opinion at one of our Universities. Try telling your school district that you don’t want your grade school children taught about the gay lifestyle.

    Whack jobs like this guy seem to think that freedom of speech means freedom from consequences. He has the right to stand there and make all the noise the church will allow. Just as WE have the right to disagree. He is free to stand on a street corner and call Hillary a white elitist, I am free to call him an idiot.

  63. #339918
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 2:30 pm, ThatSamIAm said:

    Cry me a river! And to say this is worse than when his foster son died just makes me sick to my stomach.

    To borrow from B. Hussein this is typical liberal democrat action. Get caught being stupid and start tossing out the pitty card, blame card, race card, sorry card, etc. The only regret he has is getting caught on tape so we can all see it and hear it.

    Why is it liberal democrat “ministers” or “men of faith” use the worst language and the most hate filled divisive language in the pulpit and nobody seems phased by this? Hypocrite frauds.

  64. #339920
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 2:32 pm, Conservatives R Us said:

    “Whisper one’s thoughts”—his thinking and all of his pal’s thoughts, are dispicable. And what comes out of their mouths are from their hearts—that’s in the bible. Therefore–their hearts are frightening and they should all keep a vow of silence.

  65. #339924
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 2:34 pm, legalbgl said:

    “They told me it was down,” Pfleger said. “Their live streaming had been down all day, and they didn’t know whether it was back up. . . . I regret the dramatization that I was naive enough to believe was just going to be kept among that church.”

    So he is not sorry for what he said and what he did, just that it went out. So its a non apology.

  66. #339928
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 2:37 pm, mdt1964 said:

    Freedom of speech is says the government cannot restrict your speech. Citizens can express themselves in whatever manner they see fit. I wonder what the the Crescent News Network would do if he would preach from the pulpit about the dangers of extreme islam. Or what Bill Maher would say if he was preaching about that. I for one am not to terribly bothered by that man. It is likely he has done good for others. It is also likely that he has made many goofs in his day. He seemed to have lost the humility that is usually associated with being a priest. Most priests serve GOD and not their needs.

  67. #339930
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 2:40 pm, Fat Jolly Penguin said:

    Pfleger’s short answer? He didn’t think the service and his “conversation” — a more casual address than a classic sermon, he explained — were being broadcast live online, as Trinity often does.

    Sooooo if he had known people would be watching he wouldn’t have done it? It’s OK to do bad things if you think you’re not gonna get caught. These people are like freaking two-year-olds — trust me, it’s not just Pfleger, my sister’s a moonbat and she’s exactly the same way.

  68. #339933
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 2:41 pm, Mookie said:

    So? Doing good deeds does not give someone carte` blanc to go around doing bad things. As said in a different post, Hitler did a great many good things for Germany in the post WWI years of the 30’s after he came to power. Castro, Stalin, Mussolini, Bin Laden have all done good things for their individual places of residence as well. Should they be given passes on all the evil they have committed just because of that? No. The mot heinous individual has done good at some point as well. Should that excuse them? No.

    i am sick of hearing all these disclaimers about Wright, Pflager, Trinity and anyone else that is involved in all this. It makes no difference what good they are doing or have done in the past. It in no way should be used as a disclaimer or an excusal of their wrong doings.

    And again, I’m not excusing his behavior. As I’ve said before, he should be removed from the church. He had an opportunity to do a lot of good and pissed it all away because of his twisted views and his inflated ego.

  69. #339934
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 2:42 pm, puhiawa said:

    It is a dangerous times in America when this nut and the lunatic asylum he was preaching at, actually be;ieve the nonsense he spouts.

  70. #339937
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 2:44 pm, Fat Jolly Penguin said:

    This guy’s not sorry. He was being completely honest and he knows it. He probably got a severe talking-to from Obama’s campaign and now he has to come out and act like a sniveling little crybaby because he got caught doing it. Naturally it’ll be the media’s fault for their close scrutiny of this unhinged group.

    Here’s a question for Mr. Obama: if this is such a magnificent church, then why do deplorable things like this keep spewing from it? Hmm?

  71. #339946
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 2:50 pm, GISAP said:

    On June 3rd, 2008 at 1:40 pm, Ordinary Coloradan said:

    The Cardinal needs to remove him NOW! Put him in a small rural parish, and tell him to get back in touch with God instead of social activism.

    No other parish will have him. Would yours?

  72. #339948
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 2:52 pm, 8 My Foot said:

    So it’s ok as long as the cameras are off?
    What an idiot.

  73. #339950
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 2:52 pm, chicagojedi said:

    So he is truly, deeply sorry … that he was filmed? One more leftist hate monger who only feels regret because he got caught in the commission of evil acts.

    It makes me sick knowing this mockery of a priest is stinking up my fair city of Chicago. Why can’t he take his white guilt along with his socialist tripe and go far, far away. The Catholic church needs to revoke his priesthood immediately to retain any credibility.

  74. #339953
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 2:58 pm, Christian Soldier said:

    I still believe it’s a RUSE to deflect from the more serious REZCO scandle in which B.Hussein and his friends are embroiled.

    Any other scandles for which this reverand thing could be a deflection?

  75. #339961
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 3:07 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    Wow! More painful than having his kid gunned down! Really? What a servant and man of compassion!

    That is one more remark he might have wanted to keep to himself. Is he the most self-centered person in the world or just aiming for that goal?

    When will the Catholic Church deal with this disgrace?

  76. #339964
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 3:08 pm, ArtVandelay said:

    Interesting that Pfleger was caught off guard by his “conversation” being broadcast. The denomination (UCC) called for “A Sacred Conversation About Race” in the wake of the Wright dust-up. If you guessed that the “conversation” turned one-sided and was all about how folks like Wright are justified in their hatred, and encouraged white people to own up to being racist, you’re right:

    http://tinyurl.com/69vmjd
    http://tinyurl.com/5hhqq9
    http://tinyurl.com/6fulxs

  77. #339967
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 3:14 pm, tc2011 said:

    The Catholic church needs to revoke his priesthood immediately to retain any credibility.

    chicagojedi, this will never happen, because, “once a priest, always a priest.”

    He can, however, be “defrocked,” which means simply that he is generally forbidden from performing the duties of a priest (and usually forbidden from wearing the Roman collar, etc.). This is only done in extremely unusual circumstances, and I tend to think political posturing isn’t one of those circumstances. Grave scandal and/or heresy could be one of those circumstances, but typically only if the behavior is repeated and occurs in open defiance of direct orders to cease and desist. So, it might happen with Fr. Pfleger, but I doubt it will come to that.

    If the Church needs to violate its own rules to get credibility with you, I’m guessing you don’t give the Church much credibility in the first place. You’ll find the Church won’t pander to you.

  78. #339971
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 3:25 pm, Papa Louie said:

    Over the weekend, he said that the days since his Trinity address had been the most difficult of his life, even more painful than when his foster son Jarvis was gunned down near St. Sabina on May 30, 1998.

    And that would be why?
    …this was more personal?
    …this was something he actually reqrets?
    …or 1998 was not so bad because there was one less mouth to feed and a college fund he could raid?
    I’m just at a loss to understand how this could be more painful to Pfather Pfleger than the death of his son.

  79. #339977
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 3:29 pm, khan said:

    To repeat:

    His own words from the other day: “I’m sorry. I don’t wanna get you in any mo’ trouble. The livestreaming just went out again…”

    How could it go out “again” if it wasn’t up or if he didn’t know it was up?

    He is lying to say he didn’t know he was being recorded and to say that he thought the streaming was down.

  80. #339979
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 3:33 pm, Joy said:

    These moron’s apologies just make things worse.

    Embarrassment for being caught, worse than his kid getting killed… Zounds.

    These guys are so incredibly narcissistic they don’t even understand how psycho their comments are.

  81. #339981
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 3:34 pm, Regulus said:

    “There is only one inalienable right: The right to do as you damn well please. And only one inescapable duty: the obligation to accept the consequences.”

    - P.J. O’Rourke

    I agree with kyconservative in #21: for this man to put his own hurt feelings for being called on his bigotry over the pain he must’ve felt for his murdered foster son isn’t just any narcissism, it’s the most malignant form there is.

    And puh-leeze. Nobody’s demanding that Pfleger “whisper” his slurs, only that he own up to them.

    Heck, I’m not sure what he’s even apologizing for. He undeniably meant what he said, so he can’t really feel sorry about that; and he was even half-right: Hillary does feel entitled to the presidency, only not because she’s white but because she’s Hillary. If he had attacked her on that basis instead of her skin color, the reaction inside and out would’ve been, “Thanks for telling us what we already know.”

    But then again, that wouldn’t have gotten the hate-filled, racist crowd surrounding him to jump up and hoot their approval like a bunch of zoo chimpanzees at cage-cleaning time, would it? At this kind of “church” that seems to be the primary measure of a successful sermon.

    On June 3rd, 2008 at 2:11 pm, RhymesWithRight said:

    What Mikey doesn’t understand is that no one is expecting him to whisper his thoughts. no one wants him silenced.

    indeed, it seems just the opposite — he considers it offensive that his critics dare to express themselves at all.

    Excellent observation.

  82. #339985
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 3:47 pm, bridgetown said:

    There is a difference between being free to speak
    and being responsible for what the he** you’re saying.

  83. #339998
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 3:59 pm, RedDog said:

    Again. This guy is not a priest. He is an activist of the most dispicable sort posing as a priest. Get him out of the church.

  84. #340020
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 4:27 pm, publiuswarmac9999 said:

    I agree with Pfleger that it is a dangerous time in America. For the first time in my life, there is a real possibility that the America haters and socialist/communist idiots will actually put one of theirs in the White House. If we get a Democrat sweep, you can bet that America will suffer a tremendous economic and social loss with the real prospect that future generations will lose their freedom.

    Pfleger and Wright along with Ayers and Dorn ought to scare the pants off everyone. Let’s face it, we have all been warned – and if an Obama/Hillary ticket sweeps into power with more Dems in the House and Senate, we will certainly get what we all fear and, unfortunately, what we all deserve for allowing the situation to get this bad.

  85. #340024
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 4:32 pm, Oink said:

    “This is a dangerous time in America, the freest country in the world,” Pfleger says, “where you have to whisper your thoughts.”

    He can scream his thoughts from the rooftops or the pulpit, but sometimes there are consequences (outrage) for speaking ones mind. That’s the part of “free speech” that some people just don’t get.

  86. #340027
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 4:33 pm, thegreatbeast said:

    I have never heard of a priest or a nun being a foster parent to a child. I can see them running institutions for the care of children but to assume the responsibilities of parenthood seems very troublesome to me.
    A parish priest should be too busy shepharding his flock to raise a child.

    As regards the dramatization, doesn’t this shout out the bigotry of lowered expectations?

  87. #340038
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 4:39 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    “This is a dangerous time in America, the freest country in the world,” Pfleger says, “where you have to whisper your thoughts.”

    I guess this makes him one of the “Whole Lot of White People Crying”. All other issues aside this Pfleger jerk is one of a growing number of marxist leaders who are way too close to getting power.
    Regardless of how the election goes the marxist Obama came close. Virtually the entire leadership of the Democratic Party is marxist as is ALL the party activist. We are in for a hell of a fight. This Pfleger jerk, as bad as he is, is but an example of our problem. “This is a dangerous time in America” (for Pleger and company) and it damn well needs to be. This Pfleger jerk is exactly the kind to run the gas chambers. As I watched that congregation stand and cheer I knew that Getting Along was a thing of the past.

  88. #340046
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 4:44 pm, mistressjustice said:

    Update, Update.
    The Father Pfleger has been temporarily removed from his post.

  89. #340049
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 4:47 pm, publiuswarmac9999 said:

    CBS is reporting that Pfleger has been temporarily suspended from preaching duties at his home church by the diocese bishop. Let’s see, you can make hateful anti-American speeches, hateful racist speeches, and hateful anti-woman speeches – and it takes days to get you suspended and only temporarily. The Catholic church doesn’t get any credit here for its delays and equivocation. This guy should have had his collar yanked immediately.

    People like Pfleger and Churchill (U of Colorado) seem to have unlimited rights to do anything while the rest of us have to live by the law and even pay for these morons to insult us.

  90. #340056
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 4:53 pm, Bachbone said:

    A friend, now retired from the local Sheriff’s Department, once told me, “The jails are full of ‘innocent people’ who now profess to be ’sorry’ only because they got caught.” His comment seems very appropriate for Sen. and Mrs. Obama and a lot of their cronies.

  91. #340059
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 4:56 pm, davenp35 said:

    Cardinal George just “temporarily removed” Pflager from his position as pastor.–Just on Neil Cavuto.

  92. #340068
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 5:02 pm, Tantor said:

    It’s been a while since I’ve been in catechism class, but is St. Sabina the patron saint of treason?

  93. #340072
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 5:04 pm, John Ansell said:

    And the claims of another priest/rev. being lynched in 5.4.3.2.

  94. #340078
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 5:06 pm, publiuswarmac9999 said:

    Suspension is obviously inadequate. Pfleger is so filled with hate that there is no place for him in the church. Maybe a few years in a monastery but certainly not out in the open where he can spew his venom. I just have to wonder why a supposedly Christian leader can get away with this when he is supposed to be teaching such things as love and tolerance.

    This is the problem. Our preachers are no longer preaching from the lessons in the Bible. They just make up stuff as they go along. At this point the war is between the secularist in the pulpit and the evangelists in the pulpit – and the secularists are losing congregations because they have no theology and even less spirituality. The problem is that Christianity is being damaged in the process.

  95. #340082
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 5:07 pm, ajmontana said:

    This “priest” should be following elephants with a giant pooper scooper for his next gig.

  96. #340091
    On June 3rd, 2008 at 5:13 pm, graysonret said:

    So he’s suspended. Ought to calm down everyone who thinks he’s being punished. We will see how far it goes. It’s probably no more than a gesture; a way to get him out of the cameras so Obama can win the nomination. The cardinal was probably under a lot of pressure from the democrats to do something to shut him up, even temporarily.

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