Planned Parenthood’s obscene profits

By Michelle Malkin  •  June 4, 2008 08:16 AM

My syndicated column this week turns the spotlight on the nefarious business practices of the government-funded, billion-dollar Planned Parenthood empire. Congress has interrogated banking, energy, tobacco, and oil execs–treating them like serial killers before the cameras. When will they go after a corrupt industry that has real blood on its hands?

On a related front, pro-life groups are pushing Bush to de-fund the abortion industry. “Centrist” Republicans are balking. Conservative GOP Rep. Mike Pence, leading the effort to cut the abortion subsidies, is “befuddled” by the White House’s reticence on the issue. Me, I’m no longer befuddled by Beltway GOP leaders unwillingness to lead on basic conservative issues. It’s the fecklessness we deserve.

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Planned Parenthood’s obscene profits
by Michelle Malkin
Creators Syndicate
Copyrights 2008

GOP presidential candidate John McCain sounded more like a Democrat presidential candidate (a recurring trend) when he joined the Left’s oil industry-bashers a few weeks ago. Asked by a North Carolina voter whether he supported a Jimmy Carter-era windfall profits tax, McCain responded: “Um, I don’t like obscene profits being made anywhere–and I’d be glad to look not just at the windfall profits tax–that’s not what bothers me–but we should look at any incentives that we are giving to people or industries or corporations that are distorting the market.”

Here’s an idea for all the hand-wringing GOP strategists in Washington wondering what it will take to win back disgusted economic and social conservatives: How about a Republican presidential candidate who will talk about the tax-subsidized abortion industry the way McCain talks about oil industry?

In April, the annual report of Planned Parenthood Federation of America revealed that the abortion giant had a total income of $1.02 billion—with reported profits of nearly $115 million. Taxpayers kick in more than $336 million worth of government grants and contracts at both the state and federal levels. That’s a third of Planned Parenthood’s budget.

And what market-distorting results do we get for those government incentives? 289,650 abortions in 2006.

Oil execs, tobacco execs, banking execs, pharmaceutical company execs, and baseball players have all been hauled up before Congress for highly-publicized whippings by crusading lawmakers. But the executives of Planned Parenthood have escaped government scrutiny and public accountability for their predatory behavior, dangerous medical practices, deception, and deadly windfall.

In Washington, D.C., the family of 13-year-old Shantese Butler filed a $50 million suit against Planned Parenthood after a botched abortion left the girl permanently injured and infertile. Students for Life of America reports that Shantese was left with “severe abdominal bleeding, severe vaginal injury, severe injury to the cervix, significant uterine perforation, and a small bowel tear.” In addition, parts of the unborn child were found inside Shantese’s abdomen.

In Nebraska, Planned Parenthood refused to disclose the terms of a settlement with another victim whose botched abortion resulted in a perforated uterus, massive blood loss, an emergency hysterectomy, permanent infertility, seizures, and lifelong pain and suffering. According to the suit obtained by Life News, the woman told the abortionist and his assistants to stop, but was told: “We can’t stop.” The Planned Parenthood employees held her down to complete the procedure.

Where’s the subpoena-wielding Henry Waxman? Can Orrin Hatch (CORRECTION: ARLEN SPECTER) spare a moment from investigating the New England Patriots for a second to probe Planned Parenthood’s efforts to advise underage teens on how to circumvent parental notification laws to secretly obtain RU-486, the abortion drug cocktail? Where is the concern for the women and children who were mistreated by Planned Parenthood clinics in Kansas, where Johnson County District Attorney Phill Kline has filed a 107-count criminal complaint against the abortion racket with charges ranging from falsifying documents to performing illegal late-term abortions?

And where are Nancy Pelosi and the For The Children brigade to investigate the shocking evidence of Planned Parenthood’s nefariousness exposed by undercover student journalist Lila Rose?

Last year, Rose caught a Planned Parenthood official encouraging a female minor to evade statutory rape laws in order to obtain an abortion in California. In February, Rose released undercover tapes of her discussion with an Idaho Planned Parenthood official eager to accept money from a racist donor who wanted his funds earmarked for aborting black babies. In April, she released video of clinic officials in New Mexico and Oklahoma willing to take money from a blatantly racist donor. One Planned Parenthood staffer openly admits that “for whatever reason, we’ll accept the money.”

For whatever reason, Washington has turned a blind bipartisan eye to this bloody, government-funded business—and pro-life, limited-government conservatives in the Beltway have gone along with subsidizing it. “Obscene profits” indeed.

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  1. #1
    On June 4th, 2008 at 8:21 am, englishqueen01 said:

    It would be a glorious day when PP loses all it’s tax-payer funded monies.

    Liberals are all about America being respected as a compassionate nation – the best place to start is by protecting the most defenseless among us: the unborn.

    It speaks volumes that “safe, legal, and rare” is just so much BS when you read stuff like this.

    It’s all about the money.

    Oh, and killing children. If their mothers are physically or emotionally scarred for the rest of their lives – meh, Planned Parenthood can’t be blamed for that.

    What was it someone said? The emotional and physical consequences of abortion are “tenuous?”

    Riiiiiight…

  2. #2
    On June 4th, 2008 at 8:35 am, maine yankee said:

    Does anybody know how much of their budget is spent on lobbying and who they spent it on?

  3. #3
    On June 4th, 2008 at 8:44 am, Irish Rose said:

    Planned Parenthood HATES John McCain, with a passion.

    http://www.ppaction.org/ppvotes/thetruthaboutjohnmccain.html

    They hate him because of his strong, 25+ year pro-life voting record. Heck, Mr. McCain is such a dedicated pro-lifer that he even pisses Arianna Huffington off.

    And yet Mr. McCain is still not good enough for the pro-life, self-described “true” conservatives here and elsewhere who would rather vote a 100 percent pro-abortion socialist into the office of POTUS than support John McCain… simply because he refuses to cater to them.

    Again, the glaring hypocrisy of far-right conservatism… it boggles the mind.

  4. #4
    On June 4th, 2008 at 8:45 am, Teddy Kennedy said:

    Errah, and number two behind them should be NCLR, errah.

  5. #5
    On June 4th, 2008 at 8:49 am, iamsaved said:

    Congress’s low rating is in part due to the misguided, politically motivated and safe investigations into topics like steroid use in baseball rather than politically sensitive issues like Planned Parenthood’s culture of death and using our taxes to fund it.

    Too bad Henry “Nostrildamus” Waxman and his ilk don’t use their energy to investigate issues of substance. Then maybe this do nothing congress can get something accomplished.

  6. #6
    On June 4th, 2008 at 8:49 am, Barry F. said:

    On June 4th, 2008 at 8:44 am, Irish Rose said:

    Maybe McCain could ease some of the reservations you note by hauling Planned Parenthood before Congress for some investigation into their activities, etc., like Michelle notes, IR.

  7. #7
    On June 4th, 2008 at 8:54 am, tre said:

    So, a company who’s primary product is gasoline shouldn’t be allowed to make a profit.
    But, an organization who’s primary product is dead babies SHOULD be allowed to.

    2 Chronicles 7:14 (New International Version)

    if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land.

  8. #8
    On June 4th, 2008 at 9:04 am, Goldwater Knight said:

    If stem cell research were to be made legal and fully sanctioned by the Federal government would planned parenthood make even more money selling the aborted fetuses to researchers? I have a feeling they would.

  9. #9
    On June 4th, 2008 at 9:09 am, Barry F. said:

    So, something like Blackwater contracts equates to “blood money” but the killing of the most innocent and helpless does not in D.C. politicians’ eyes? I can’t stand politicians. *blech*

  10. #10
    On June 4th, 2008 at 9:09 am, ACHefty said:

    Me, I’m no longer befuddled by Beltway GOP leaders unwillingness to lead on basic conservative issues.

    Me, neither.

    Here’s my column, called GOP gets an F.

    /shameless plug off

  11. #11
    On June 4th, 2008 at 9:12 am, lgm said:

    Planned Parenthood is a nonprofit organization.

  12. #12
    On June 4th, 2008 at 9:13 am, Irish Rose said:

    Oh, puhleeze.

    From Michelles’ column:

    How about a Republican presidential candidate who will talk about the tax-subsidized abortion industry the way McCain talks about oil industry?

    In light of Mr. McCains long crusade against the abortion industry and his strong anti-abortion voting record in Washington, this is nothing more than a very cheap shot at Mr. McCain in the form of a deceptively-phrased question.

    She does it because she knows that a lot of people here are so stuck on the stale RINO mantra that they can’t be bothered to factcheck.

    Shame on you, Michelle.

  13. #13
    On June 4th, 2008 at 9:15 am, terrig said:

    LGM, why are you here? What if your mother had aborted you? You wouldn’t be here extolling their virtues. Why am I as a taxpayer having to fit the bill for what you extol as a wonderful thing. Why don’t you donate your own funds, leave mine out of it.

  14. #14
    On June 4th, 2008 at 9:22 am, Red State Skeptic said:

    Hear, hear. One of the most unfortunate things about politics, especially in an election year, is how the most important and polarizing issues take a back seat to the easy ones (who stands up for cheating in football?) While we might not win over everyone on the life debate, we can at least draw attention to the barbaric practices of abortion purveyors. Thank you, Michelle. I hope this again becomes a TOP priority for conservatives. It definitely isn’t for John McCain right now, lest he offend the liberals he is courting.

  15. #15
    On June 4th, 2008 at 9:25 am, iamsaved said:

    LGM – define “non-profit” organization. If all the revenues or “non-profits” are taken and paid out to executives; lavish expenses, and as “administrative” costs, it’s listed as an expense and does not show up as profit.

    I guess being a liberal, you’re so used to paying for your crusades and good causes with other people’s money, you wouldn’t have a clue would you?

  16. #16
    On June 4th, 2008 at 9:25 am, Red State Skeptic said:
  17. #17
    On June 4th, 2008 at 9:25 am, Irish Rose said:

    I’ve stated it before and I’ll say it again: Michelle has allowed her animosity against McCain to distort her objectivity.

    Oh, how I long for the good old days here at MM… when our good hostess didn’t feel the need to continuously write distortions like this one in order to make a point.

  18. #18
    On June 4th, 2008 at 9:25 am, terrig said:

    IR-McCain’s stance on the war and his pro-life stance is the reason he will get my vote.

  19. #19
    On June 4th, 2008 at 9:29 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    Irishrose said:
    She does it because she knows that a lot of people here are so stuck on the stale RINO mantra that they can’t be bothered to factcheck.[sic]

    IR,
    Everyone here is aware of McCain’s platform and voting record. Some of his policies we agree with and some we do not. We reserve the right as free-thinking people to carefully scrutinize our elected officials, especially when they are vying for the highest office in the land. You may not agree with Michelle, that’s fine. But you aren’t winning any folks to your side by insinuating that we are all lemmings. Do McCain a favor and give it a rest already.

    Unless, of course, you are seeking to be awarded with some points for being an apologeticist for McCain’s campaign. In that case, why didn’t you say so… :-)

  20. #20
    On June 4th, 2008 at 9:31 am, Send_Me said:

    On June 4th, 2008 at 9:13 am, Irish Rose said:
    She does it because she knows that a lot of people here are so stuck on the stale RINO mantra that they can’t be bothered to factcheck.

    It seems as if the words “stale” or “tired” in terms of arguments are an excuse for not having to answer the charges of such arguments. It’s the new, fashionable fallacy of relevance that dismisses any opposing argument. One can say, “abortion or high taxes, whatever, is wrong because of ‘A’, ‘B’, ‘C’,” but alas, that person’s arguments, in today’s court of reason, are easily dismissible by merely stating, “oh, those tired, stale arguments. Are you still talking?”
    In terms of the “stale” RINO arguments, if one hasn’t picked up by now what conservatives see wrong with McCain, then it’s a matter of either simple or willful ignorance, not for a lack of evidence.

  21. #21
    On June 4th, 2008 at 9:32 am, DBNinKY said:

    In February, Rose released undercover tapes of her discussion with an Idaho Planned Parenthood official eager to accept money from a racist donor who wanted his funds earmarked for aborting black babies.

    I’m sure the worker saw no racist implications in accepting the donation for something they do routinely – abort primarily black babies!

    They are a race based, for profit organization that is out of control.

  22. #22
    On June 4th, 2008 at 9:33 am, DBNinKY said:

    BTW, MM, yet another terrific article; truly enjoyed the read!

  23. #23
    On June 4th, 2008 at 9:33 am, ajsmom said:

    MM is not questioning McCain’s pro-life stance. She is pointing out that he states that he doesn’t care for obscene profits but only picks on the oil company. Her question is why doesn’t he and/or others on Capitol Hill grill PP like they do so many other obscenely profitable institutions.

  24. #24
    On June 4th, 2008 at 9:38 am, Mister P said:

    When my wife and I lived in Hawaii we supported a catholic organization that set up small offices near planned parenthood abortion clinics. Young pregnant women would come in and SAVE the lives of their unborn child as our staff would find a suitable home or circumstance for the young women to raise her own child. That to me is “planned parenthood”, rather than unplanned abortion and murder.

  25. #25
    On June 4th, 2008 at 9:39 am, Goldwater Knight said:

    lgm said:

    Planned Parenthood is a nonprofit organization.

    They would collect money for fetuses if they call the revenue profit, non-profit; doesn’t matter.

    btw, I hear the liberals want to turn the United States in a non-profit organization.

  26. #26
    On June 4th, 2008 at 9:40 am, Mister P said:

    Her question is why doesn’t he and/or others on Capitol Hill grill PP like they do so many other obscenely profitable institutions.

    The answer is obvious of course. He wants to work with the agenda. He will give them abortion if they give him a continued war in Iraq.

  27. #27
    On June 4th, 2008 at 9:40 am, Rusty said:

    Thanks, LGM. Those “profits” go straight into next year’s budget or into fundraising. Calling them profits is disingenuous.

    And comparing a $115M “profit” to a $40B profit is disingenuous too.

    And if being sued for malpractice is proof of a general overarching incompetence, you’d be asking for every hospital and clinic in this country to be shut down.

    And since I’m being such a snob about this anyways, it’s Arlen Specter who is investigating the New England Patriots, not Orrin Hatch.

    Planned Parenthood provides contraception and OB/GYN work to people who can’t afford it. They’re doing this country a service.

  28. #28
    On June 4th, 2008 at 9:43 am, Mister P said:

    I’ve stated it before and I’ll say it again: Michelle has allowed her animosity against McCain to distort her objectivity.

    Oh, how I long for the good old days here at MM… when our good hostess didn’t feel the need to continuously write distortions like this one in order to make a point.

    What distortion? Didn’t McCain rail against the oil executives about profits? Isn’t Planned Parenthood making large profits without a peep from McCain? Michele doesn’t answer to YOU, or thank heaven, the Republican party. You may not like her independant voice, but I love her integrity. She is not a spin artist, but rather a truth teller with impeccable logic.

  29. #29
    On June 4th, 2008 at 9:45 am, iamsaved said:

    Irish Rose – We have three options this fall.

    1. Vote for a candidate.
    2. Vote against a candidate.
    3. Don’t vote at all.

    For me, option 3 is a non-starter. I abhor the liberal point of view as it’s become in this day and age, so I choose to vote against the most liberal candidate.

    Some would have you believe that voting for the lesser of two evils is to compromise one’s beliefs. But, by not voting at all to prove a point — Noble in one’s mind? Yes. Effective? No.

    It’s more like dust in the wind – no one sees or cares of the noble action – even the one taking it because when the action isn’t noted by others, the satisfaction fades quickly and remembered no more.

  30. #30
    On June 4th, 2008 at 9:46 am, Mister P said:

    Thanks, LGM. Those “profits” go straight into next year’s budget or into fundraising. Calling them profits is disingenuous.

    And comparing a $115M “profit” to a $40B profit is disingenuous too.

    We can LIVE without ABORTION. The problem is LIVING without oil. YOU know those profits go into the salaries of the abortion enablers. You comments are disingenuous.

  31. #31
    On June 4th, 2008 at 9:49 am, Mister P said:

    For me, option 3 is a non-starter. I abhor the liberal point of view as it’s become in this day and age, so I choose to vote against the most liberal candidate.

    With McCain, there is no resistance to this liberalism (or global socialism), as McCain is going to work with the Democrats.
    At least if he loses, the Republican minority can offer some resistance and the Republicans can regroup with a conservative candidate.

  32. #32
    On June 4th, 2008 at 9:49 am, conservativesRus said:

    Irish Rose seems to have been drinking the John McCain cool-aid.
    Rose – just a lil suggestion – lay off the host.
    I (for one – and suspect many others here) don’t give a gnat’s behind what McCain did 25 years ago voting pro-life. His recent record in virtually every area leaves much to be desired.

  33. #33
    On June 4th, 2008 at 9:52 am, alaskangrizzly said:

    Demon Puppet trolled;

    They’re doing this country a service.

    Killing the future of America, one baby at a time.

  34. #34
    On June 4th, 2008 at 9:52 am, englishqueen01 said:

    Planned Parenthood provides contraception and OB/GYN work to people who can’t afford it. They’re doing this country a service.

    Yeah. 850,000 dead children is a “service” to this nation.

    If that’s the deal, then keep PP doing OB/GYN and contraception, but shut down the abortion portion of it.

    It’s a win-win.

  35. #35
    On June 4th, 2008 at 9:52 am, Barry F. said:

    On June 4th, 2008 at 9:12 am, lgm said:

    lgm, a resident apologist for Planned Parenthood. :roll:

    As a non-profit, professor, they are able to feed off the taxpayers, including those that do not condone murder-on-demand. As someone noted earlier, why don’t you feed them with your money and that of others that find the killing-at-will of babies to be acceptable?

    I’m thinking of getting my kids some t-shirts, since they survived Roe v. Wade.

  36. #36
    On June 4th, 2008 at 9:53 am, conservativesRus said:

    Rusty – so if I take my company “profits” and roll them into next year budget – will the IRS say it’s ok and the company not have a tax bill?

    Your love of killing babies has clouded your brain.

  37. #37
    On June 4th, 2008 at 9:57 am, terrig said:

    Rus, I’ve said before the only reason I’m voting for this clown is because I have a husband over there in Iraq and I don’t want him to be the last man out, if Obummer gets in and someone has to be the last person out.
    I hate this “lesser of two evils”, I really do. And this “cap & trade” nonsense, just makes whatever hair isn’t gray, get there quickly.
    The problem that Rusty doesn’t want to see is that he’s here which I know he always says is the “straw man” argument. But at least he’s here to argue, how many millions are not?

  38. #38
    On June 4th, 2008 at 9:57 am, iamsaved said:

    Planned Parenthood is so proud of their efforts they are ashamed to call their organization by a name that states exactly what it really is –Planned Abortions. If any believe their mission is to counsel women on parenting, you truly are naive. That’s just the slick advertising to try and legitimize their true business.

    The same goes for calling Pro Abortionists Pro Choice. They can’t even stomach calling themselves what they really represent. Purveyor’s of death and dismemberment (partial birth abortion).

    They have to use monikers that sugar coat what they really stand for.

  39. #39
    On June 4th, 2008 at 10:01 am, Barry F. said:

    Question: Is the government funding of abortions or socialized-infanticide at Planned Parenthood a prelude to the socialized medicine proposed by the Dems?

  40. #40
    On June 4th, 2008 at 10:03 am, Yashmak said:

    I can see why the centrist Republicans would balk. A large portion of America doesn’t feel the Fed should legislate this issue.

    It’s not that they’re not worried about the votes of social conservatives. . .it’s that they’re also worried about the rest of the Republican voters too.

  41. #41
    On June 4th, 2008 at 10:03 am, Rusty said:

    YOU know those profits go into the salaries of the abortion enablers. You comments are disingenuous.

    Rusty – so if I take my company “profits” and roll them into next year budget – will the IRS say it’s ok and the company not have a tax bill?

    I think people should know what non-profits limitations are before making snide comments.

  42. #42
    On June 4th, 2008 at 10:03 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    Rusty said,

    Planned Parenthood provides contraception and OB/GYN work to people who can’t afford it. They’re doing this country a service.

    Take a trip on over to justiceforall.org and check out their virtual exhibit and you’ll see the “service” that PP provides.

    It’s telling that you continue to steer the attention from what PP profits from the most – abortion to mammograms and OB-GYN visits.

    Here’s an excerpt from one of PP’s websites:

    Care for Yourself is a program that offers pap tests and pelvic exams, clinical breast exams, breast self-exam training and mammograms to qualified women between the ages of 40 and 64.

    More here.

    FREE Birth Control and Annual Exams

    Iowa and Illinois women may be eligible to receive free birth control and reproductive health care. To find out how, click on your respective state to the left.

    These women have to meet certain requirements to receive these services, you trot this out as an example of the wonderful things that PP does across the nation as if they are doing it with no questions asked and no strings attached. Nothing is free and it certainly does not negate the fact that PP is responsible for the deaths of millions of babies. You may be able to live that. I cannot and do not. I put my money where my mouth is, I support pregnancy centers. Taxpayers should not have to foot the bill for this organization’s death mill.

    pro-choice = babies dead
    pro-life = babies have a chance at life. I’ll side with life any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

  43. #43
    On June 4th, 2008 at 10:06 am, DBNinKY said:

    Planned Parenthood provides contraception and OB/GYN work to people who can’t afford it. They’re doing this country a service.

    PP is not the only organization out there that does this type of charity work. There are many state and community based-funded groups that provide free or extremely low-cost gynecological services to women who lack healthcare coverage (private or Medicaid) and the financial means to pay.

    For example, the ARH Hospital chain, whose service area includes the Central Appalachian regions of KY, WV, VA and Tn, provides low income women many OB services, such as mammograms, free of charge. PP is not essential to low income women’s health.

  44. #44
    On June 4th, 2008 at 10:07 am, englishqueen01 said:

    Question: Is the government funding of abortions or socialized-infanticide at Planned Parenthood a prelude to the socialized medicine proposed by the Dems?

    Yes. There isn’t a doubt in my mind that we’ll go the way of China – forced contraception, forced sterilization and forced abortion.

    Especially with the rise of the eco-nuts who think babies are a plight on the planet.

  45. #45
    On June 4th, 2008 at 10:07 am, max said:

    Get MaxineWaters to “socialize” it…

  46. #46
    On June 4th, 2008 at 10:18 am, conservativesRus said:

    Rusty: You are the one who said

    Those “profits” go straight into next year’s budget or into fundraising. Calling them profits is disingenuous.

    I was only asking a question using your own argument that it’s disingenuous to call them profit.
    Please be consistent.

  47. #47
    On June 4th, 2008 at 10:22 am, Goldwater Knight said:

    terrig said:

    Rus, I’ve said before the only reason I’m voting for this clown is because I have a husband over there in Iraq and I don’t want him to be the last man out

    Incredible point I have pondered before, the last 20,000 or so troops out of Iraq would be caught in a meat grinder. Your husband is a brave man.

  48. #48
    On June 4th, 2008 at 10:24 am, Mookie said:

    Michelle, there’s a mistake in your column. Orrin Hatch isn’t the one investigating the New England Patriots. It’s Arlen Specter.

  49. #49
    On June 4th, 2008 at 10:25 am, franksalterego said:

    I’m staying home on election day, ’cause I want a president who voted for plunging syringes into the skulls of new-born infants, and sucking their brains out.

    And, McCain is a Poopy-head, ’cause he feels sorry for mexicans.

    heh

  50. #50
    On June 4th, 2008 at 10:30 am, alaskangrizzly said:

    Demon Puppet trolled:

    I think people should know what non-profits limitations are before making snide comments.

    Oh you mean that someone is actually doing a good job of being a watchdog for an organization that hides its numbers and statistics to “protect patient information”.

    Non-profit org standards by the National Charities Information Bureau

    The organization should prepare a detailed annual budget.

    There are two groups which set standards and provide consumer information on charities-the National Charities Information Bureau (NCIB) and the Council of Better Business Bureaus’ Philanthropic Advisory Service (PAS). These two private organizations report on whether charities meet standards for fundraising, governance, financial management, and public information. Many
    donors use the NCIB and PAS ratings as criteria for awarding philanthropic funds, goods, and services.

    The organization’s governing board
    should be independent
    . Organizations whose directly or indirectly compensated board members constitute more than 20 percent of the total voting membership of the board will not meet this standard. Nor will any organization engaged in transactions in-which board members have conflicting interests resulting from any relationship or business affiliation.

    So you are assuming the watchdogs are doing a good job of watching where those 300+ million in taxpayer dollars go without any bias to the pro-death camp. I would love to see a listing of salaries of all PP members, see how much butchers and their enablers get paid these days.

    Also curious if their board meets the standards of being independent of the operations of the organization. If would appear on first glance that if more than 20% of the board was pro-death it would be in conflict in meeting the standards of a non-profit organization.

  51. #51
    On June 4th, 2008 at 10:32 am, fourstringfuror said:

    What was it someone said? The emotional and physical consequences of abortion are “tenuous?”

    Riiiiiight…

    Quite right.

    I really wish you all would pick up a copy of America Alone, by Mark Steyn. He spends considerable time discussing the effects of birth rates on global demography, as it relates to the Islamification of Europe and Asia. To summarize, the last thing this country needs is to murder more children. Our birth rate is barely enough to maintain stasis. Almost every country in Europe is declining in population at astronomical rates. Who’s left to fill that void? The Muslims, of course!

    A little OT, I know, but it still applies here. Abortions are not only immoral, disgusting, and Rusty’s raison d’être, they’re demographically a very bad idea. We need more people in this country, not less. Don’t buy the hysteria about overpopulation and crowding. It’s BS.

  52. #52
    On June 4th, 2008 at 10:36 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    fsf,
    I’ve read the book and I agree. I’m glad you summarized by stating that regardless of the demographical implications… abortions are morally wrong and simply incomprehensible.

  53. #53
    On June 4th, 2008 at 10:39 am, nyc123me said:

    If the US needs citizens so badly, instead of allowing every criminal on the planet a free pass via illegal alien amnesty, how about we stop aborting American citizens?

  54. #54
    On June 4th, 2008 at 10:43 am, Rusty said:

    There isn’t a doubt in my mind that we’ll go the way of China – forced contraception, forced sterilization and forced abortion.

    That’s nonsense. Every single one of those things is legal because of choice. Not force, choice.

  55. #55
    On June 4th, 2008 at 10:47 am, StanW said:

    That’s nonsense. Every single one of those things is legal because of choice. Not force, choice.

    Why, Rusty, because you say so?

    Those things were CHOICE once in China as well. Now they are REQUIRED. And it could happen here as well.

  56. #56
    On June 4th, 2008 at 10:48 am, abstractmind said:

    Rusty/LGM

    I understand that PP is providing contraception services to people, which is fine by me. It’s not being forced on someone, they can elect to go there (vs a school setting, etc). I have no problem for funds going to educate people, or provide condoms and so on.

    The problem you’ll find here(by and large) i believe, is not that they provide those services.

    Its the abortion services people dislike, myself included. THAT is where i have a problem with my tax dollars going. That particular service they offer, as you can see, taints the rest of what they do, good intentions or not. And with a rather long list of things they’ve done that appear to be rather dubious (reference: MM’s article today)…I dont want my tax dollars going to an organization who participates in the wholesale slaughter of children.

    If that was not part of the program, PP wouldnt catch near the amount of flak as it does now. By attempting to link those together, it makes people like myself who disagree with abortion look like monsters because i’m “denying educational or contraceptive material” from people who would like to use those services. That clearly isnt the case, but this argument is the same strawman that abortion supporters use to badger people who disagree with them. By making dissenting opinions look like they are uneducated, or they’re just “bible thumpers”, and so on, it seeks to discredit real discourse on the matter. As i’m neither, I can honestly say this upsets me without having those strings attached.

    IrishRose,

    I dont have a problem with McCain’s abortion record. But you’re attempting to say that people who dont want to vote for him, when he’s clearly conservative on this issue are basically being hypocritical. Even a casual reader of the site should be able to point out that McCain draws ire on his “across the aisle” actions, his obvious pro-amnesty stance, and so on. McCain’s record on abortion sits fine with me. He’s consistant on this issue, if nothing else. But don’t bet the farm all on just one issue. You do yourself a disservice, and then by claiming we’re being obtuse, do so to us as well.

    just my 2 cents.

  57. #57
    On June 4th, 2008 at 10:49 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    Rusty,
    It is not nonsense. More here.

  58. #58
    On June 4th, 2008 at 10:49 am, conservativesRus said:

    That’s nonsense. Every single one of those things is legal because of choice. Not force, choice

    Who’s choice Rusty. If it wasn’t my choice, it’s forced.
    Why on earth do you like killing babies so much?
    When we all stand before our maker – I’m sure you’ll be really proud of all the babies killed because of your willingness and support of abortion. NOT

  59. #59
    On June 4th, 2008 at 10:51 am, martin.musculus said:

    #12
    On June 4th, 2008 at 9:13 am, Irish Rose said:

    Before you “shame” on Malkin, google “McCain Wisconsin”.

    In fact everyone who believes McC is prolife/has a strong prolife record, do that.

    Also, while I can find many Lib/Dumbocrat-type bills McC has led on, (many of those have his name on them…), I can’t find any Prolife ones where he’s taken a lead.

    I’m sure, given all the talk, I’m just looking in the wrong places. Please help.

    I’m looking for a reason to vote McC, it didn’t help that yesterday Rush let it slip that he suspects MxC’s actual purpose is to destroy the R-party. I said that in Jan, but I was (mostly)kidding. Rush let it slip in a moment of frustration w/a caller.

    - martin.musculus

  60. #60
    On June 4th, 2008 at 10:53 am, Dimsdale said:

    On June 4th, 2008 at 9:13 am, Irish Rose said:

    Oh, puhleeze.

    From Michelles’ column:

    How about a Republican presidential candidate who will talk about the tax-subsidized abortion industry the way McCain talks about oil industry?

    In light of Mr. McCains long crusade against the abortion industry and his strong anti-abortion voting record in Washington, this is nothing more than a very cheap shot at Mr. McCain in the form of a deceptively-phrased question.

    She does it because she knows that a lot of people here are so stuck on the stale RINO mantra that they can’t be bothered to factcheck.

    Shame on you, Michelle.

    No, she has a point: he isn’t talking about abortion now, but he is attacking the easy target of the oil companies. He has also swallowed the hook on so called “global warming.”

    If he starts talking about it now, with the same fervor, particularly in light of Obama’s absolute support of abortion, you will have a point, and so will he. Until then, Michelle does.

    On June 4th, 2008 at 9:39 am, Goldwater Knight said:

    lgm said:

    Planned Parenthood is a nonprofit organization.

    They would collect money for fetuses if they call the revenue profit, non-profit; doesn’t matter.

    btw, I hear the liberals want to turn the United States in a non-profit organization.

    and….

    On June 4th, 2008 at 9:40 am, Rusty said:

    Thanks, LGM. Those “profits” go straight into next year’s budget or into fundraising. Calling them profits is disingenuous.

    And comparing a $115M “profit” to a $40B profit is disingenuous too.

    And if being sued for malpractice is proof of a general overarching incompetence, you’d be asking for every hospital and clinic in this country to be shut down.

    And since I’m being such a snob about this anyways, it’s Arlen Specter who is investigating the New England Patriots, not Orrin Hatch.

    Planned Parenthood provides contraception and OB/GYN work to people who can’t afford it. They’re doing this country a service.

    So why don’t you abortion enthusiasts just call it a charity?

    Contraception and Ob/Gyn are great, but not if they are (pardon the expression) humping abortion as a birth control method, particularly among minors.

    The issue of malpractice is irrelevant, as it usually pertains to individual doctors. Assuming the risks are adequately explained (to non minors), then you take your chances, particularly on elective surgeries. But, if an industry is practicing, as policy, procedures that can be construed as malpractice, then the entire industry can be prosecuted. That may or may not be the case here. That is not for me to decide.

    I can, and do, disagree with the fact that people can , and do, use abortion as a way of “cleaning up” after an unprotected indiscretion. That is unacceptable both on the basis of the wide availability and redundancy of birth control methods, and the possibility of catching rather hideous and potentially fatal STDs.

    So, for our resident liberals (and the rest, no doubt) we kill our own, for convenience, and simultaneously allow foreign invaders in, again for our convenience (doing the jobs others won’t do, for a pittance).

    On June 4th, 2008 at 9:04 am, Goldwater Knight said:

    If stem cell research were to be made legal and fully sanctioned by the Federal government would planned parenthood make even more money selling the aborted fetuses to researchers? I have a feeling they would.

    I think you are dead on. It will be the same argument they give for fertility clinics and unused embryos. Once it develops into an industry, it becomes “necessary” and people start getting abortions for the money, just like they donate blood or semen for similar reasons. Of course, the blood or semen do not involve killing a genetically unique individual, so there is a difference.

    On June 4th, 2008 at 9:15 am, terrig said:

    LGM, why are you here? What if your mother had aborted you? You wouldn’t be here extolling their virtues. Why am I as a taxpayer having to fit the bill for what you extol as a wonderful thing. Why don’t you donate your own funds, leave mine out of it?

    Because, as it is shown time and time again, liberals are very good at spending other people’s money, while looking for every loophole they can to avoid paying their own taxes, and are miserly with voluntarily giving to charities. The facts are published.

    On June 4th, 2008 at 9:39 am, Goldwater Knight said:

    lgm said:

    Planned Parenthood is a nonprofit organization.

    They would collect money for fetuses if they call the revenue profit, non-profit; doesn’t matter.

    btw, I hear the liberals want to turn the United States in a non-profit organization.

    Excellent point.

    While we are at it, can we cut funding for the ill named and criminal/terrorist loving ACLU?

  61. #61
    On June 4th, 2008 at 10:59 am, l'ilseige said:

    I would love to see a listing of salaries of all PP members, see how much butchers and their enablers get paid these days.

    That is easy enough. Go here and look at their form 990. If you start at page 35, it lists the salaries of all directors, officers and top five employees. All in all, setting aside your disdain for this particular organization, absolutely in line with what one would expect to see for the salaries of a huge national organization, and in fact quite reasonable when compared with say, the Boy Scouts.

    If would appear on first glance that if more than 20% of the board was pro-death it would be in conflict in meeting the standards of a non-profit organization.

    That is not what was meant at all by independent board. It basically means that 80% of the board should be uncompensated members, i.e., not otherwise officers or employees of the nonprofit. It has nothing to do with their political stance.

  62. #62
    On June 4th, 2008 at 11:03 am, Rusty said:

    Also, only 3% of Planned Parenthood’s budget is dedicated to abortion services. The rest goes to contraceptive prevention, women’s health (mammograms and OB/GYN), and STD prevention.

    So, yes, they do provide a valuable public service. The federal government is subsidizing women’s health. Good. PP raises more than enough money from pro-choice donors to cover that 3%. Your money isn’t going to abortions.

  63. #63
    On June 4th, 2008 at 11:06 am, abstractmind said:

    On June 4th, 2008 at 9:13 am, Irish Rose said:

    Oh, puhleeze.

    From Michelles’ column:

    How about a Republican presidential candidate who will talk about the tax-subsidized abortion industry the way McCain talks about oil industry?

    In light of Mr. McCains long crusade against the abortion industry and his strong anti-abortion voting record in Washington, this is nothing more than a very cheap shot at Mr. McCain in the form of a deceptively-phrased question.

    She does it because she knows that a lot of people here are so stuck on the stale RINO mantra that they can’t be bothered to factcheck.

    Shame on you, Michelle.

    I’m not trying to pick on you, but…you’re giving this one away too.

    What facts should we check? And to what end?

    As i posted a few minutes ago, yes, McCain has a decent voting record on abortion. But saying that its deceptive for MM to ask about PP’s subsidies as well doesn’t hold alot of water for me.

    We should be looking at EVERYONE we provide federal funds to, not just Big Oil or PP. McCain is more interested in pulling at people’s wallets and attacking “the source of huge gas prices”, which as can be demonstrated by the numbers, is the fault of speculators, a low dollar value and taxes…and not so much because of oil companies. I would mention, for the sake of it, that oil companies make large profits because of demand, not because of the price. Because they sell their products in such volume, they’re going to make more. Its just that simple.

    If i’m missing something or i’ve made an error, please let me know and i’ll research and correct.

  64. #64
    On June 4th, 2008 at 11:10 am, martin.musculus said:

    I suspect that by this time nxt year:
    the fairness doctrine will (at the least) be passed.

    that an internet content tax bill will be in the works whos actual purpose is to close sites like this, townhall, etc. I was (up until mid-May) watching discussions on Leftard boards as how to accomplish this. It would come under the umbrella of CFR, and would allow the left to avoid the “censorship” label while shutting down our ability to organize.

    I can see both of these in the twinkle in McC’s eye. He is, afterall, a strong proponent of censoring political speech.

    Sorry its OT, but I’m really tired of the McCainites. We’ve compromised ourselves to hell.

    – martin.musculus

  65. #65
    On June 4th, 2008 at 11:14 am, alaskangrizzly said:

    On June 4th, 2008 at 11:03 am, DP said:

    Also, only 3% of Planned Parenthood’s budget is dedicated to abortion services. The rest goes to contraceptive prevention, women’s health (mammograms and OB/GYN), and STD prevention.

    Really now? So the 1.4 million “Emergency Contraception Abortion Kits” is roughly 13.6% of total services provided. Adding into the 3% of abortions they actually claim brings us to roughly 16.6%

  66. #66
    On June 4th, 2008 at 11:14 am, sambo said:

    Rusty said:
    Thanks, LGM. Those “profits” go straight into next year’s budget or into fundraising. Calling them profits is disingenuous.

    And comparing a $115M “profit” to a $40B profit is disingenuous too.

    Planned Death hoods profit margin is 11.5 percent. The average net profit margin for the S&P Energy sector, according to figures from Thomson Baseline, is 9.7%.

    So you calling anything disingenuous is total BS

  67. #67
    On June 4th, 2008 at 11:14 am, Dimsdale said:

    On June 4th, 2008 at 10:43 am, Rusty said:

    There isn’t a doubt in my mind that we’ll go the way of China – forced contraception, forced sterilization and forced abortion.

    That’s nonsense. Every single one of those things is legal because of choice. Not force, choice.

    Well, I choose not to pay for it. Now send me my rebate check.

    I know you opinion, but you can’t choose to kill another genetically unique human being due to convenience. They are deprived of a choice just as you would be if someone put you in an isolation chamber then asked you if you wanted to live or die from outside the chamber. Where is the choice there?

    It ain’t just “a piece of tissue” like a fingernail. As a biologist, I can confirm this.

  68. #68
    On June 4th, 2008 at 11:16 am, sotaman said:

    Apparently “no” doesn’t mean “no” at Planned Parenthood.

    “…the woman told the abortionist and his assistants to stop, but was told: “We can’t stop.” The Planned Parenthood employees held her down to complete the procedure.”

  69. #69
    On June 4th, 2008 at 11:17 am, conservativesRus said:

    Rusty – you are either rather thick.
    So you say – only 3% is for abortion so my money isn’t supporting that. If I give money to a homeless alcoholic. He spend “my money” on food but uses “his” money to buy alcohol – my money didn’t support his addiction, so I should feel good?
    In case you didn’t know this, money is fungible.

  70. #70
    On June 4th, 2008 at 11:20 am, sambo said:

    The liberals will never support life until the supposedly ‘gay gene’ is found. Right Rusty!

  71. #71
    On June 4th, 2008 at 11:21 am, franksalterego said:

    That’s nonsense. Every single one of those things is legal because of choice. Not force, choice.
    Rusty, June 4th, 2008 at 10:43 am

    Yes, of course…

    When asked to comment, the un-born reply, “Yes, of course, you may plunge a syringe into my skull and suck my brains out…It’s your choice.”

  72. #72
    On June 4th, 2008 at 11:22 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    The number of abortions overshadows the number of clients receiving prenatal care. Those numbers are steadily declining. Whereas, the number of abortions conducted continues to grow.
    Adoption referrals aren’t even a blip on the radar screen and continues to plummet.

    PP is in the business of murdering babies, plain and simple.

    Recent public comments by Planned Parenthood (PPFA) that abortion constitutes “only 3%” of its services radically downplay the centrality of abortion to the group’s mission and mask abortion’s enormous impact on the organization’s bottom line. This reported percentage, touted relentlessly by PPFA president Cecile Richards, fails to include ancillary services that may be sold along with the abortion and ignores the fact that abortion provides PPFA with a huge–and steady–stream of revenue.

    More here.

  73. #73
    On June 4th, 2008 at 11:26 am, fourstringfuror said:

    On June 4th, 2008 at 10:36 am, 30 pcs of silver said:
    fsf,
    I’ve read the book and I agree. I’m glad you summarized by stating that regardless of the demographical implications… abortions are morally wrong and simply incomprehensible.

    You’re welcome. Just speaking truth to power, or, whatever the liberals say these days.

  74. #74
    On June 4th, 2008 at 11:28 am, fourstringfuror said:

    On June 4th, 2008 at 11:21 am, franksalterego said:
    That’s nonsense. Every single one of those things is legal because of choice. Not force, choice.
    –Rusty, June 4th, 2008 at 10:43 am
    Yes, of course…

    When asked to comment, the un-born reply, “Yes, of course, you may plunge a syringe into my skull and suck my brains out…It’s your choice.”

    Choice for me but not for thee, my friend. Rusty will always defend a woman’s right to kill any unwanted baby, regardless the obvious lack of choice on the baby’s part.

  75. #75
    On June 4th, 2008 at 11:29 am, Rusty said:

    Oh, this is rich. Title X, the program that gives Planned Parenthood federal money, bars any federal money from being used for abortion services.

    Annually, PP provides more than one million pap tests, almost 900,000 mamograms, and three million STD tests.

    In terms of abortion prevention, they annually provide birth control to over 2.5 million women and provided over 1.4 million with non-abortive emergency contraception.

    Planned Parenthood does more to prevent abortion than any other organization.

  76. #76
    On June 4th, 2008 at 11:30 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    Even using the lowest estimate from above, the minimum of $98.5 million from 264,943 abortions in 2005 would represent, not 3%, but 28.4% of Planned Parenthood’s $346.8 million clinic income for 2004–05. Hardly an inconsequential part of the business.

  77. #77
    On June 4th, 2008 at 11:31 am, fourstringfuror said:

    On June 4th, 2008 at 11:20 am, sambo said:
    The liberals will never support life until the supposedly ‘gay gene’ is found. Right Rusty!

    Excellent point. Think of all the gay men who will never get to marry the men of their dreams. Think of the lesbians who will never know true love with another woman. You want to take that choice away? You want to take away that right?

  78. #78
    On June 4th, 2008 at 11:31 am, alaskangrizzly said:

    1.4 million with non-abortive emergency contraception murder.

    Fixed that for you Demon Puppet.

  79. #79
    On June 4th, 2008 at 11:32 am, Rusty said:

    There is no such thing as a gay gene. So, that weird argument is pretty stupid.

    Homosexuality, at least in men*, is believed to be biological. Not genetic.

  80. #80
    On June 4th, 2008 at 11:33 am, martin.musculus said:


    #72
    On June 4th, 2008 at 11:22 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    Well, of course, what could you expect of a movement given birth by Sanger, Eugenics enthusiest, good friend & frequent guest of Heirr Adoph, and one who spoke frequently of aborting the “mud peoples” — for their own good…

    Ya know: for the children…

    Isn’t that the No-Argument that’s always played?

    – martin.musculus

  81. #81
    On June 4th, 2008 at 11:33 am, alaskangrizzly said:

    Oh and I forgot this gem in my last post quoting Demon Puppet.

    Planned Parenthood does more to prevent abortions than any other organization.

  82. #82
    On June 4th, 2008 at 11:33 am, Rusty said:

    AK, if you think Plan B is murder, than you obviously think the same of IUDs.

    Your entitled to your beliefs, but they’re too extreme to ever get any political traction.

  83. #83
    On June 4th, 2008 at 11:34 am, Rusty said:

    Oh no!!! I meant “You’re”

    Cripes.

  84. #84
    On June 4th, 2008 at 11:34 am, alaskangrizzly said:

    is believed to be biological. Not genetic.

    That was dumbest thing I think I have ever come out of your mouth. But it makes for a hearty chuckle for those of us with a brain, not to mention degrees in medicine.

  85. #85
    On June 4th, 2008 at 11:35 am, Rusty said:

    Well, of course, what could you expect of a movement given birth by Sanger, Eugenics enthusiast

    I take it you don’t drive Volkswagons or Fords.

  86. #86
    On June 4th, 2008 at 11:35 am, martin.musculus said:

    err, &@$#% PDA!

    Should read: …Argument card

    – musculus

  87. #87
    On June 4th, 2008 at 11:36 am, alaskangrizzly said:

    I have ever heard*

    Sorry, fingers slower than my thoughts.

  88. #88
    On June 4th, 2008 at 11:37 am, iamsaved said:

    ACLU – The Anti Christian Lawyer’s Union.

    Forgot they are parasitic with our tax dollars too…

    Amen to cutting their funding.

  89. #89
    On June 4th, 2008 at 11:42 am, josetheguerilla said:

    MM,
    Good job!!!!!

  90. #90
    On June 4th, 2008 at 11:42 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    When America finally does see through all the pretty pictures and propaganda and sees abortion for what it really is—the destruction of innocent human life, the crushing of a mother’s soul—business at Planned Parenthood won’t be so good anymore.

    I hope I live to see the day…

  91. #91
    On June 4th, 2008 at 11:43 am, sambo said:

    Rusty said:
    There is no such thing as a gay gene. So, that weird argument is pretty stupid.

    Homosexuality, at least in men*, is believed to be biological. Not genetic.

    Well if they find a prenatal test that determines this, you’ll support aborting those too…want ya?

  92. #92
    On June 4th, 2008 at 11:46 am, conservativesRus said:

    Rusty – please explain to me the LOGICAL (from end to end) basis for abortion.
    Not emotional or spiritual or moral. The LOGICAL one.
    If you are able, you’ll be the first.

  93. #93
    On June 4th, 2008 at 11:47 am, DBNinKY said:

    If PP is so all-fired concerned about women’s health, and exists only to serve that purpose, then why don’t they renounce the OB/abortion side of their for-profit organization, and focus only on providing GYN/gynecological services to low income women? They do have that choice.

  94. #94
    On June 4th, 2008 at 11:48 am, abstractmind said:

    On June 4th, 2008 at 11:03 am, Rusty said:
    Also, only 3% of Planned Parenthood’s budget is dedicated to abortion services. The rest goes to contraceptive prevention, women’s health (mammograms and OB/GYN), and STD prevention.

    So, yes, they do provide a valuable public service. The federal government is subsidizing women’s health. Good. PP raises more than enough money from pro-choice donors to cover that 3%. Your money isn’t going to abortions.

    That’s not the main point. I dont want *any* of my taxes going for this organization. I dont care if its 3%, or 3 cents. While they do provide the other functions that people can use, its as i said before…its the abortion angle that makes this abhorant.

  95. #95
    On June 4th, 2008 at 11:49 am, martin.musculus said:

    Rusty, who’d have known — a disingenuios argument!

    Do cars target non-whites?

    Sanger did, her brainchild does.

    1.Graph placement of PP clinics vs income & racial demographics. (use overlays, you’ll understand why in a second…)

    2. factor out high income areas.

    3. look at the result: Regardless of area income, (the affluence of the expected clients) the heaviest concentration is in non-white areas! Even in those areas where the people have money.

    I expect you’ll return & tell me that the affluent non-whites wanted those clinics close.

    Have to go, but I look foreward to stopping by this evening.

    - martin.musculus

    P.S.:
    I drive a (modified, w/chairlift) minivan Olds. Thanks for asking…

    - m.m

  96. #96
    On June 4th, 2008 at 11:51 am, Rusty said:

    Well if they find a prenatal test that determines this, you’ll support aborting those too…want ya?

    Thankfully, the people who are opposed to homosexuality are more likely to be strongly anti-choice, so, no worries from me.

  97. #97
    On June 4th, 2008 at 11:53 am, Rusty said:

    Do cars target non-whites?

    No, but Henry Ford and Adolf Hitler weren’t exactly saints when it came to eugenics either.

    Planned Parenthood is a non-profit that targets low income women. Unfortunately, that means they are catering to a higher percentage of minorities.

    Planned Parenthood makes it easier for minority women to receive pap smears, mammograms, and STD prevention.

    That’s a pretty stupid way to run a eugenics program, isn’t it?

  98. #98
    On June 4th, 2008 at 11:54 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    There’s pro-choice and pro-life.

    If you want to continue with twisting the words to make your side look more acceptable. I can play that game too.

    pro-death
    pro-life

    anti-life
    pro-life

    Either way, your side commits to the wholesale slaughter of innocents… behind the mask of choice.

  99. #99
    On June 4th, 2008 at 11:55 am, abstractmind said:

    On June 4th, 2008 at 11:29 am, Rusty said:
    Oh, this is rich. Title X, the program that gives Planned Parenthood federal money, bars any federal money from being used for abortion services.

    Annually, PP provides more than one million pap tests, almost 900,000 mamograms, and three million STD tests.

    In terms of abortion prevention, they annually provide birth control to over 2.5 million women and provided over 1.4 million with non-abortive emergency contraception.

    Planned Parenthood does more to prevent abortion than any other organization.

    I’m still keeping it civil, sorry to see others arent :(

    Rusty, I want to correct a statement though, in relation to IUD, the morning after pill, and so on…

    Planned Parenthood does more to prevent abortion pregnancy than any other

    I think that’s more accurate. From what i’ve read so far (sorry, i dont have the reference onhand, i’ll get it if its needed), things like the morning after pill are used as a cautionary measure…woman has unprotected sex, wants to just cover the bases in regards to not getting pregnant, and takes it. I wouldnt believe the actual cases of women who have conceived at this point would be lower, since they really dont know if they were pregnant to begin with or not.

  100. #100
    On June 4th, 2008 at 11:57 am, abstractmind said:

    I wouldnt would believe the actual cases of women who have conceived at this point would be lower, since they really dont know if they were pregnant to begin with or not.

    Sorry for the typo.

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