If oBORGama takes McCain’s suggest to visit Iraq to learn what it’s all about first hand, McCain ought to toss the next gauntlet down — the ANWAR debate!

Rules — only one, a DEETless McCain-oBORGama debate held in the great ANWR summer outdoors, complete in HD so everyone can watch close up as the skeeters suck these two clowns dry in about ten minutes.

Win or lose, they both be itching about it for days. Plus the public would see what pristine ANWR is all about — skeeters and a lot of nothing else.

A US pol doesn’t learn much by going to Iraq. He or she can’t travel enough to see anything. They mostly get powerpoint briefings in meeting rooms in the green zone, which could be done just as well in the US.

Obama is afraid of your “freedom” fighters LGM.

It’s a lot more than just meetings and power points in the green zone. Not everyone is lazy like your lazy lib college professors.

Speaking of which, did you join al quedia yet?

For all McCain’s trips to Iraq, he still doesn’t seem to understand it very well.

I think that he understands it very well. When he’s president, he’ll demonstrate his vast knowledge of war, unlike Obama who got a free ride for everything in this election and more because he’s Black and liberal.

That’s why your side hated the noble George Stephanopolis so much. After all those pro-Islam segments ABC ran, they got tough Barack.

Or maybe the liberals really think he’s just a stereotypical big dumb Black man who can’t answer hard questions? Is that it, LGM? Is that why they are protecting him?

Ooops. Guess all the liberals reading this should start calling me a racist now.

The other day he said troops are back to pre surge levels. This was not a slip, as he repeated it and defended the statement. But it is false.

At least McCain, who your lefty friends say is suffering from Alzheimers, knows what city he is having his rallies in.

If McCain did really have Alzheimers, it would just prove what an idiot Obama really is.

Dah, er, um, Thank you, Sioux City!!

Not exactly something South Dakotans want to hear, but being a big city Osama bin laden sympathsizer, what do you care? All you probably know about sodak is what Mark Moford writes about in his unpopular San Fran Comicle.

As far as McCain’s military feats, I’m not sure getting captured and tortured is a strategy we want to repeat on a national scale.

And this is why I have come to say I do not doubt the liberals support the troops, I just wonder whose troops they support!

Going to Iraq shows real support for the troops, and gives him an opportunity to actually meet and interact with them.

I guess he isn’t interested, unless McCain can shame him into it.

On June 5th, 2008 at 11:51 am, Alphonse said:

The surge may be a successful surge, but looking at the big picture, the war remains a fiasco: no WMD, no shining city on the hill that other Middle East nations will envy and crave.

How many years did it take to rebuild Germany and Japan? And people said the same things you are saying. (and we are still in these countries militarily)

Bin Laden, on the other hand, is achieving his goals. His primary goal was to get American troops out of Saudi Arabia, and Bush caved in on this. As far as Jihad against the Zionist/Crusaders, I would say he is doing a pretty good job of bankrupting the U.S. As Reagan bankrupted the Soviet Union by proposing Star Wars, every time bin Laden makes a video, Bush and Cheney fill their pants and want to spend another trillion dollars. A stunning achievement for a caveman with 15 bodyguards. Terrorist attacks are perhaps not the only strategy.

Terror techniques specifically include constant claims of responsibility for attacks (which may or may not be true) and anything they can do to keep a population nervous. I believe it is the Democrats which consider him a sufficient threat to go after him in Pakistan, not the Republicans.

As far as McCain’s military feats, I’m not sure getting captured and tortured is a strategy we want to repeat on a national scale.

Now that was just plain low. I may not be a McCain fan, but that was just mean and fairly ignorant. I mean, are you implying that he planned to get shot down and “vacation” in the Hanoi Hilton?

I think someone with extreme firsthand experience with the horror of war is someone that I would want as president over some Affirmative Action recipient with almost no experience in government or legislating or interacting with politicians (not the Rezko gangster types I mean). Semi successful asbestos remediation is a qualification for a job at Clean Harbors, not president.

A US pol doesn’t learn much by going to Iraq. He or she can’t travel enough to see anything. They mostly get powerpoint briefings in meeting rooms in the green zone, which could be done just as well in the US.

LGM, I told you before, during my last 15 months in Iraq, I saw congressional delegations probably 30 times-Including Senators McCain, Chambliss, Snow, and a myriad of minor and major representatives. These were in Ramadi and Falluja. We frequently took them downtown. If they want out, they get out.
A US pol doesn’t learn much by going to Iraq. He or she can’t travel enough to see anything. They mostly get powerpoint briefings in meeting rooms in the green zone, which could be done just as well in the US.

For all McCain’s trips to Iraq, he still doesn’t seem to understand it very well. The other day he said troops are back to pre surge levels. This was not a slip, as he repeated it and defended the statement. But it is false.

For all your talk, you are clueless. The surge brigades have almost all left, or are in the process of leaving, Iraq at the end of their rotations. This move will leave Iraq at pre-surge levels because they weren’t replaced. Read up on it.

lgm, you know nothing about leadership

That’s because little girly men really don’t know anything about leadership.

They are sheep. No rams.

Maybe hes just smart and knowing he is going to be the next president of the USA, it doesn’t make sense. He had secret service protection a long time ago, and I’m sure even if he wanted to, he would be DENIED.

This is why he should not pick Hillary as running mate. She wants his job TOO much.

On June 5th, 2008 at 11:55 am, SPCOlympics said:

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But does he care about what the military cares about?

I can only speak for myself and others in my immediate circle but I think ‘victory’ is pretty darn high on that list of what military people desire.

And that is the central distinction between what donkeys mean when they say they “support the troops” and what a conservative means.

Donkeys see the military through one of the following prisms:

- As “children” or “victims”;
- As bloodthirsty rednecks;
- As a social-engineering playground; or
- As a cash-cow of funds to divert to entitlement programs.

Conservatives see “supporting the troops” to mean backing policies and strategies designed to achieve victory.

War is always Hell, but I’d wager that you’ll see a lot fewer cases of PTSD and the like among servicemembers returning home after winning instead of losing – thereby significantly reducing the need to treat them like ticking time bombs of criminal insanity, which is how hard-core lefties like Senator Hopenchange want to express their “support” for veterans.

On June 5th, 2008 at 9:42 am, rike101 said:

I see a thought bubble over his head: “OMFG! What have I gotten myself into?!”

You know, I suspect you wrote this intending humor, but I really think there is an element of truth in it… His ego is so big, and he has been stroked by so many, that this may have whirlwinded out of control, and I think there’s an element of Obama that has had that very thought in the back of his mind. It’s not unlike trying to B.S. your way into something, and then suddenly when it works, you think, “uh oh; now what?”

Good point. Obama is the fairy tale Emperor strutting his “new clothes” in public, and while the media are going along with the gag he himself is all too aware of the pendulum-like display of his own Swinging Richard. This is why he and his minions have to declare more and more topics as “off-limits” to discussion: it’s the only way they can try to prolong the illusion until his coronation takes place.