Drive a stake through the heart of the green boondoggle bill; Update: Blocked! 12 short, 48-36
Scroll down for updates…Bill is killed for now; Dems fall 12 votes short
Good news: The Lieberman–Warner eco-boondoggle is set to go down in flames today. But this is no time to rest. While the massive tax hike/green slush fund bill will most likely be shelved, it’ll come back sooner or later. And when it does, keep your eyes on “moderate” Republicans such as John Sununu who will try to appease their red-faced greenie donors and lobbyists by pulling a “for it before I was against it maneuver” this morning a la John Kerry.
As for the presumptive presidential candidates and the hanger-on, none of them are expected to show up today to vote.
It’s leadership we can believe in!
Snort.
CQ reports:
After a week of partisan squabbling and parliamentary maneuvering, the chamber will vote Friday morning on a motion to invoke cloture and limit debate on a substitute amendment by Barbara Boxer , D-Calif., chairwoman of the Environment and Public Works Committee. If, as expected, the motion does not get the required 60 votes, the bill is unlikely to come up on the floor again this Congress.
“We really didn’t expect to have such a truncated debate,” said Boxer. “We are working colleague to colleague to see how many votes we have to stop the filibuster.”
Supporters of the bill had hoped the Senate would begin to lay the political groundwork for action under the next presidential administration. But the unrelated fight over judges halted floor discussion on the legislation only two days after it began.
With both parties accusing the other of obstruction, it is unclear if either of them stands to reap a political gain. “I don’t think either side came off well, politically. Dysfunction doesn’t serve either party’s interest,” said Paul Bledsoe, a spokesman for the National Commission on Energy Policy.
A spokeswoman for Majority Leader Harry Reid , D-Nev., said if the cloture motion does fail, there is a possibility the Senate could take it up again. The bill would be placed back on the calendar after Friday’s vote. However, Majority Whip Richard J. Durbin , D-Ill., said it was “not likely” that the Senate would revisit the bill.
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Yup…I can really feel the leadership from the GOP this year!
(By the way-I’ve never, ever have experienced so many sarcasms in one year…!)
/sarc
We will see it again…in one form or another. If the dems win the WH this fall, you can bet it will be passed too.
As all of us should, I have my representatives on speed dial. Someone usually answers and already knows why I’m calling. It will likely be the same with this.
Legislating us into higher prices at the pump, in the grocery store is keeping me from my annual donations to my favorite charitiy: the indian casinos. I’m really upset about this.
If Obama is elected be prepared for the Dimocrats to totaly destroy the middle class, If you have’nt noticed wake the he!! up they have already started with the increase in gas, food etc…
We can look forward to at least 4 more years of this no matter who is elected.
Personal note, off topic, my sister is having heart surgery today, please keep her in your prayers.
Will do, zorro. On topic, NO NEW TAXES ! — Hidden or otherwise.
Zorro: will do.
Back to the bill: It was a bad bill, alas it will be back, and probably worse. This is the most incredible Congress–all the emphasis is on stuff that hurts the US and its interests, but looks so good to the George Soros crowd–but so little focus to timely passage of what is really needed.
Thank you all, especially Michelle for allowing the note.
All in favor of starting the long hard task of forming a viable conservative party…..
Boxer, Feinstein and Pelosi should be working diligently to get this situation resolved NOW. U.S. GAO Border Wastewater Treatment Report. http://www.gao.gov
report # (in search field) GAO-08-595R
How can a person take these women seriously when raw sewage has been streaming into our oceans for years right under their noses?
If the Climate scare is such a crisis one would think this would be a TOP priority.
As I continually remind all, this is a good thing. A Senate without D’ohbama, Clinton and McCain is much more friendly to my freedoms and wallet.
Look your Senators and call or email them.
Here’s the link to the US Senate
http://www.senate.gov
Should have been
Look your Senators up and call or email them.
Here’s the link to the US Senate
http://www.senate.gov
Don’t hold your breath, folks! This was just a shot across the bow. If we get a larger #of donks in Congress, and one in the White House it’s a done deal…later on!
Zorro, you got it!
I’m unhappy that this bill never made it to the floor and unhappier still to see that Senator Inhofe voted against cloture. What I do not like specifically is that now there will be no debate concerning the actual validity of there being any connection between human CO2 and global warming to begin with. There isn’t any validity to it in terms of actual physical evidence and that fact really deserves seeing the light of day on the floor of Congress to kill it for good. Certainly the environitwits want us all to die in order to ’save the planet’ but the enviro-elistists do not want the truth to come out because they would rather keep this bill ‘on the shelf’ in order to repeatedly reference it as proof that ’something needs to be done’ but its just those damn ‘deniers’ who keep obstructing ‘progress’ – as they continue to profit from the hysteria as Al Gore certainly has. He has amassed nearly $100 million in personal gain from global warming hysteria while his nitwit minions attack people like Fred Singer for accepting a $10K gift from Exxon.
Meanwhile the EPA can continue digging in its heels to regulate carbon emissions per the absurd Supreme Court decision, (enviro-fascism), which will have nearly the same affect as this foolish bill would have had but without threatening the flow of income to Al Gore, Maurice Strong et al. They would have suffered financial loss had this bill passed because the government would then be able to ‘get in on the action’ diverting funds away from carbon investment companies like this one Generation LLP.
There is just no way it would have passed anyway so I think it would have been far better to have brought it up for open debate.
Like the shamnesty bill, will they try to push it thru in pieces, in th e dark of night?
Y’all, in our interest to get a greater number of GOP, especially CONSERVATIVE GOP, look to Club For Growth and Freedom Project for what you can do, and for whom you can vote this fall. The Congress is our only hope for revitalizing Conservatism. Don’t sit this one out just because you don’t want to vote for Juan McCain.
Maybe – maybe not. I think $4 gas has changed the minds of a few constituents – especually those scraping by. We might begin to see some change here. Don’t forget $4 gas translates into $3-4 heating oil (and natural gas always follws the price of oil increases). Freeze a few people in the Northeast and mid-west and you’ll see them change their tune.
Oh, I don’t think this will happen overnight and I do think we nnedto stay vigilent.
I’m really surprised neither of the two major political party’s anointed ones could bother to show up for work today. Considering the primary season is pretty much over you would think they would get back to the job they are paid to do. Sounds like neither one of them want to go on record for their stance on this piss poor piece of legislation, which I am sure from earlier statements they both support and would sign into law should they become POTUS.
I have been calling and e-mailing my Senators daily to vote against this suicide pact dedicated to the vanity of junk science. You would think that somebody would buy a clue when over 30,000 scientist raise the BS flag on the Global Warming/Climate Change (what ever the hell they are calling it now) caused by human activity. It does sound like many people have realized this will not only put a significant increase on the average working person’s tax burden with the jobs lost due to this bill (if passed into law) would tank the economy and there would be a lot less of use working to pay these new taxes. The increased cost of gas and inflation driven by it is having a significant impact on our local area and many that were just scraping by are beginning to drop cable, satellite, internet, and even telephone services so they can still keep a roof over their head and barely manage to eat. You think these lying crapweasels in the leadership of both houses would come up with a better plan than to ask the President to do something by going to the OPEC cartel only to get the middle finger from his good buddies in the House of Saud.
Meanwhile, the do nothing congress wasted a week, when they could have been putting forth legislation that would have us drilling domestically and thus at least making an attempt to reduce gas prices.
These clowns don’t care about gas prices, we pay for most of their fuel, their drivers and if its not the taxpayer directly, then in the case of Feinstein and Boxer its some ‘cushy’ multimillion (or billion) $$ deal they funneled to their husbands via military contracts or something else.
This same congress that is pushing their “Green” agenda with asinine Global Warming bills; telling us what type of light bulbs we can use; a “food for fuel” push of ethanol is the same one that has created the high cost of energy by blocking new refineries; drilling off our coasts/ANWR and other so-called “enviro-friendly” rules. Then they have the audacity to complain about the rising cost of fuel. What chutzpah.
We need a clean sweep and remove all those “not serving” in congress – which is probably all of them.
Virginia now has two Democratic Senators – Jim Webb and John Warner (soon to be replaced by another Warner (D)). Since the one sponsored the bill, you can guess how far a call will go with him – especially now that he’s a lame duck and has nothing to lose by exposing his true politics.
Part of the letters sent to my “representatives” here in the People’s Republic of Maryland:
As far as these things go, there is a sign of hope at least somewhere…
You can read about the refinery in the new york times here.
They’re going to face alot of legal challenges, but at least they are taking the right steps to try and get increased production, etc.
I hope to God Obama gets elected and signs this thing next year. The outrage over the consequences would do serious harm te the green movement in general, as well as one more step towards exposing the idiocy of the Democrat party. We need to let them do this. But of course, if we have a President McCain, it could end up biting us. Make the Democrats eat their words-
Obama 08
what are the democrats going to do once they can no longer blame bush for democratic failures??
Zorro on your post #4. I will say a prayer for your sister too.
We’re going to have to really work the phones on this one. Here’s the response I got back from my RINO senator Mel Martinez:
TOTAL BLOCKHEADS
Here’s my reply:
Senator:
You re then comittted to supporting a bill that will RAISE the costs of energy and effectivly tax the US populace further. Global warming and human effects upon it are NOT a fordrawn conclusion.
This bill is another step in bringing our ability to compete in the free world to a screeching halt.
Selling and trading emission allowances is a scam! That means only those who can afford to do so will be able to – and that this only applies to the US. China, India, Russia don’t have the same ‘Gulliver Ropes’ tying them down.
I read all of the time how people and companies can buy ‘carbon credits’. Where does the money go? How are the reults tracked. How do we know it’s doing any good? We don’t and there are is nothing in this bill that addresses this.
No Senator – I implore you to reconsider voting against this flawed bill.
Follow the lead of your own party, Senator.
From AP News this morning:
“Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky argued that the bill’s “cap and trade” approach to cutting carbon dioxide emissions would unleash “the largest restructuring of the American economy since the New Deal.”
“It’s a huge tax increase,” he proclaimed even as the bill’s supporters argued it actually would provide tax breaks for people who faced higher energy costs, and financial assistance to carbon intensive industries through a pollution allowance trading system.”
I will remind you that several years ago a bill to force us to use ethanol in gasoline was so perfect that it would even not affect the price of a bag of chips. Forward to earlier this year wher we have found a stagger rise in the cost of basic foodstuffs (corn, wheat, rice, soy) as farmers have stopped growing them for food and began planting corn for fuel. That’s not over yet – wait until the costs are translated in beef, pork, chicken and milk products. And that is the hard reality of that wonderful bill. It is now in the land of unintended consequenes.
The Lieberman-Warner bill is just as flawed – yet we all want to feel good about global warming. Phooey. It is a SCAM – and when the unintended consequences of it are realized in the years to come – our nation will suffer!
Again – I implore you to vote against this bill.
KEEP POUNDING AWAY!!!!!
This, energy policy, border protection, mortgage bailout – in almost all areas our national leadership is an embarrassment. We are becoming ever more like a second-rate country. And it shows. And I don’t see light at the end of the tunnel.
Mixer14 – Good Letter to your Senator. It should be published.
The only thing I can add to this debate: Keep on these elected BONE HEADS. The only thing they understand is threats from their people back home. This is not over until WE drive a stake through it’s heart.Don’t go to sleep on this one, remain alert to the TRICKS of the GREENIES.
Blame McCain. If we don’t give them McCain we have them cornered.
Hmmm…
Democrats are, for the most part, in favor.
Republicans are, for the most part, against.
It ain’t Rocket Science, folks.
Boomer: did you not get the memo??: anybody that says there is even a question of whether global warming exists, or if it does, is it solely man made; is insane.*sarc*
In my world you reap what you sow; and if this Country wants to put in power as President the poster child for the far left, and his minions in control of the House and Senate, then we deserve what’s coming. Face it, the Dem constituency consist of old flower children who still havent grown up, and lazy people with their hands out who are “entitled” to be supported by the movers and the shakers. We are well on the way to becoming a socialist third world state; the bastard child of Mexico and France.
McCain supporters: Wake up.
“Both presidential candidates, Democrat Barack Obama and Republican John McCain, were absent, although supporters of the bill said they had sent letters advising they would have voted for the bill.”
Oopsey!
Hmmm…
I wonder, what are the “unintended consequences” of Daily Hissy-Fits against Republicans?
You know who you are
What is her first name?
Oh how you used to rail against the Democratic minority in the Senate before 2006 thwarting the will of the people. Now the will of the people is to do something about global warming — “we’ll hear the will — not!
Yessir, franksalterego, we should all fall in line and parrot the Republican party line – no matter how stupid, no matter how short-sighted, no matter how wasteful, no matter our Constitution…
God forbid we should speak freely and voice our opinions! That’s not what made our Country great, it’s bigger government and higher taxes that did that!
Longbow,
I take it, you favor the Democrats line?
Ahh, but that’s the rub, isnt it? What people we’re talking about makes all the difference.
For instance, the massive “consensus” of scientists was how many? And the recent release of scientists that believe this is total crap was? I believe the distinction is clear.
The will of the people is not to be taxed to death. The will of the people is not to be lied to or handed some load of garbage about CO2, which is neither a pollutant, nor will it cause “catastrophic climate change”.
It’s junk science.
The democrats have the majority. The vote failed. So i would say that yes, the will of the people WAS, in fact, served. I’m glad you forgot to include that in your “well, we were the minority” part before. Democrats are not the minority.
But thanks for playing.
What the socialist activists on the left will do is focus their attention on the legislators that blocked this.
Then one by one contribute money and voice to defeating them.
Then reintroduce and repeat as many times as necessary to win.
The left never tires of reaching into your pocket.
They know the turtle always wins in the end.
Too many republicans do not understand that conservatism is freedom and liberty.
I do not want republicans who only want a little bit of government largess.
I want republicans willing to fight any government largess and growth.
And I will donate time and money to those who are willing to fight.
Ah, frank going along with the logically fallacious reasoning that one example holds true for all.
So you think the majority of americans want to lose thier jobs, be taxed higher and have to pay more for everything for a problem that doesn’t exist????? OKAAAYYYYY
RINO’s
How do RINOs get to BE RINO’s?
When the electorate sat on their dead asses during the last election, they essentially gave Democrats a mandate to do what they want…Including, twisting the arms of the members of the minority party…They were put in the position of Go-Along-to-Get-Along.
It also sent a message to Republicans in the legislature, that p’haps the electorate WANTS this type of silly legislation.
The electorate has no one to blame but themselves.
Let me reiterate…
Democrats, for the most part, voted FOR.
Republicans, for the most part, voted AGAINST.
So, it’s perfectly clear to me…If you don’t want legislation like this shoved down your throat, you better get offa’ your dead ass.
Daily Hissy-Fits, notwithstanding
Get offa’ your dead ass and do what, frank? Vote Republican? I don’t see you defending principles; I see you defending party.
Trust me, they will still find a way to blame it on Bush.
Party’s interest? What about the COUNTRY’S interest? Idiots…
Congress is NOT here to debate scientific theories! Let the scientist do the debating and let them come to agreement, THEN let Congress decide. We got bigger fish to fry and need to have a little more faith in the free market to take care of conservation.
Way to knock down your own straw man. Who exactly used to “rail” against the dem minority thwarting the will of the people? Until one party has a filibuster proof majority; the law of the land states that even a majority cannot guarantee a legislative victory. As for the will of the people, I agree with a couple of other posters that the will of the people has been served by allowing us to avoid this wacky anti-capitalist legislation. Pls..get a clue and stop the mindless platitudes.
I’m glad I called Sununu’s office and told them I was against this bill and wanted him to vote NO. I haven’t seen his stand on it here in our local paper. I’ll phone his office again if/when it reappears again! I’m so sick and tired of stupid people running this country!!!
franksalterego #45:
If the idiots that call themselves Democrats had a mandate, why can’t they pass legislation of any type?
Since when do the Democrat’s care what the electorate wants – like taxes, they think the populace is too stupid to make those kind of decisions for themselves.
Harry Reid pouts, goes home, sucks thumb. Film at 11:00…………….
Here’s my principle.
I don’t care if you believe the planet is going up in a ball of fire tomorrow.
When I look out the window, and it looks exactly the same as it did 60 years ago, I know someone’s tryin’ to blow smoke up my ass.
Is that Principled enough?
The Democrat leadership does not listen to the middle class as they are almost all captives of the vocal and radical left. The Republican leadership does not listen to the middle class as they have come to believe that more government “their way” is better.
The leadership of both parties views themselves a managers of rather than servants of the people.
This shift in mind set is leading us down the road to socialism.
“Tommy” was unavailable for comment.
I am glad this bill is gone – for now. We must stay vigilent. I saw another article this morning on Yahoo:
$45 trillion needed to combat warming
Link to Article
I noticed two things.
1. We’re still the bad guys here in the US
2. All of the funding is quoted in US Dollars
I wonder why the UN never calculates the funding they need in Euros, or Yen or some other currency.
OH! That’s right. We are the hapless guilt ridden sugar-daddy pasty money machine for the UN.
#53 frank, I think it was back in the 80s that Ted Dansen said in a crocumentary that the oceans would be dead in 10 yrs ! My freinds just got back from Hawaii and said there was sea life of every description when they went diving. Panic didn’t work then, it won’t work now. Its all a con.
Sierra Hotel! Common sense wins again (for now), but hang on to your wallets after January. Anyway you look at it if the empty suit or the grumpy old man wins we will have to mount a battle against this insanity again.
Hear, hear! Let’s hope it stays down. As for Senator Lieberman, he’s the only Democrat I would vote for in a second – ending my record of having never voted for a Democrat in my entire life – but this is just one issue where I think he is woefully misguided.
Life would be better without Liberals.
frank,
I’m not referring to your views on global warming; I am referring to your views on Republicans who are at odds with the party platform. It seems as if you defer to party instead of principle. You seem to believe one example of votes on one example of legislation nullifies any and all criticism of votes on other pieces of legislation, or on stated positions of an issue that is made in public discourse.
Seems like maybe a partial solution to solving America’s energy problems, mainly lack of new refineries and nuclear energy plants might just lie with the American Indian nations. I’d rather be paying for clean energy produced by Indians or on Indian lands than the people of century old civilizations, and calling them civil-izations is being generous with the word.
Lieberman is a far left wing democrap, the only thing he has right on is the war on terror, imagine that.
Now, where are the oil wells.
Also known as “unprincipled, pandering wusses.”
Khan,
Clearly, you haven’t grasped the significance of my 10:36 comment.
I’m sorry, if I can’t spell it out any clearer.
RINOs become RINOs because of your votes, or lack thereof…NOT, because of your silly-ass letter-writing campaigns.
Which ’scientists’ are you talking about? It cannot be the ones who disagree with the gorebots because they are NOT being heard in this so-called ‘debate’ that you wish to happen. Even though they easily OUTNUMBER the politically motivated scientists at IPCC, NASA and some in Europe – they are being totally ignored; their science is not being considered by Congress at all. Open floor debate will allow their opposing views to be presented and then become part of the Congressional record. When the views from the likes of Richard Lindzen, Freeman Dyson and Frederick Seitz, (who passed away recently), hard core PHD physicists, are entered into the record the libs will have no room to claim that there is any so called ‘consensus’ on this issue. They and 9000 other PHD’s, (40 of them are members of the National Academy of Science – snort that fact realclimate!), say that it is NOT a basket of ’settled scientific fact’ that any government ought to be putting ANY of its eggs into let alone all of them. They far outnumber the AGW scientist crowd, easily have more impressive academic backgrounds than these computer modelers at the IPCC and they have solid scientific proof against the notion of AGW where the modelers have ZERO physical proof.
If Congress is intent on ruining our country on the basis of dishonest junk science then they MUST be forced to record the opposing view by the honest scientists. How else can that happen if not on the floor of Congress?
How many in Congress ever saw these?
http://www.petitionproject.org/
http://www.heartland.org/pdf/22835.pdf
I thought I’d remind everybody, The Mighty McCain listed Club for Growth along w/the Swiftboat vets as “verwwy bwaaad mens…” — I forget the exact designation he used… I don’t have my McCain notes w/me,(I’m waiting at a friend’s to leave for my 6mo. nerve conduction test: can’t drive after :-/ ) …it was something like “unamerican”, unpatriotic, subversive, etc. I *know* dishonest & disgraceful *were* used for both organizations.
I can understand why Mi’Laird McCain would *feel* that way — to a lier truth seems a lie, afterall.
Beck commented that “cap & trade” really means a cap on our economy.
I think it actually means “to KNEECAP our economy!
And, I am certain that our Civil
MastersServants *know it*.I can support this logically, BTW.
- martin.musculus
Remember:
Cap & Trade = kneecap & Trade!™
Support
MafiaCongress!BOXER — My state’s senator was stopped?! YEEEHHHHH
When we get more honorable statesmen (and stateswomen)-we’ll get this country back to origional intent.
Let’s keep voting for and supporting (w/$$$ and time) those with honor.
Ronulon Alert
was that directed at me?
That’s easier said than done for sure. My Rep. Senator is up for re-election…in his commercials all he talks about is “working with the other side”, being “bi-partisan”, and of course the old “reaching across the aisle” crap. Looks to me like i won’t be voting for the presidency or my U.S. Senator.
The Thunder Run has linked to this post in the – Web Reconnaissance for 06/06/2008 A short recon of what’s out there that might draw your attention, updated throughout the day…so check back often.
BTW: the majority of polls show that people not in favor of Kneecap&Trade™ is running approx 89%+ *against*.
a) Now, we that McCain Loves the kneecapping bill (the original was *McCain-Lieberman*, after all!)
b) we know the Mighty McCain’s strategem is to “win w/o conservatives”, as his handler said on the news day-before-last.
3) and:
Knowing that the current crap of R’s don’t want to drive-away those people — other than conservatives, and that a large part of that 89%+ isn’t conservative.
therefore:
they are voting against to preserve the disaffected Dem & Ind. vote that is part of the 89%+ against the Kneecap & Trade™
NB: I am sure a few of those nay’s really meant it — maybe two.
– martin.musculus
Remember:
Cap & Trade = Kneecap & Trade™
Support your
MafiosaCongressman!Addendum:
Sorry, I got a call in the middle of the last.
I meant to also point out that a proof of this was The McCain’s not voting on a bill he’s in love with.
- musculus
I grasped it, but I don’t find it to be significant. I find it to be b.s. McCain is a RINO. I think many of them are wolves in elephants’ clothing. I think you have an inane sense of causation. Still, let’s take McCain. He’s going to be the only (R) on the ballot in November. Clearly you don’t care about his views on global warming that are contrary to yours. In fact, you don’t care what his views are at all. He’s got the (R) behind his name, therefore you will vote for him. So, since you’ve blamed voters for RINOs being RINOs and since you’ve told people to “get offa’ your ass and do something”, what, then, would you have them do? Vote Democrat? Write-in Ron Paul? Or do you want them to rally behind (R) and punch McCain’s ticket?
Your “argument” is vapid.
RINO Scorecard…
From NRO’s “The Corner”
I wasn’t aware that Elizabeth Dole was a RINO. The two Maine Senators, of course. And while John McCain isn’t the RINO-est of the RINOs, the only reason to vote for him is that he is a 1960s Scoop Jackson style Democrat, and Obama is probably a Marxist, as DeLay says, even if it is considered impolite or brings charges of being hysterical to say it.
And Warner needs to step down before he embarrasses himself further.
And the two reasons why a Scoop jackson Democrat in all but name, and a grievance monger wealth redistribution Marxist are different:
1) Judges. McCain wouldn’t give us more Scalias and Roberts and Thomas’ if he wanted to. He will almost certainly have a Demonrat Senate, and will have to appoint ‘moderates’. Of course, he’d nominate ‘moderates’ even if he could get his choices confirmed. But an O’Connor or Anthony Kennedy, right about half the time, is better than more Ginsbergs and Breyers and Souters, who always vote against America and for internationalism and Marxism.
2) McCain is a lot less likely to curl up into the fetal position and surrender in the Global War on Terror.
I know the argument of letitng the real Democrat get elected, so when the pooch gets screwed, Republicans will get elected, but I think Obama will screw the pooch so hard it’ll die.
What a surprise from you.
I choose to poke fun at those overbloated egos who think that all money is theirs — its only on loan to us.
Besides, what other groups beside the mafia & Congress take money from you for no work — and without your agreeing? They will never do w/less, only us: the people who actually earn the money. Another commonality.
Scratch that… stealing stuff is hard work!
So, it turns out you’re correct — they aren’t the same at all.
I stand by the Kneecap & Trade™ comment 100%, though.
– musculus
Just figured it out– No, I on’t like Ron Paul — and if you’d read what I’ve written in the past you’d see that I could never support RPaul.
I think we should tear apart every termite hill where terrorists hide & convince them to go get their 72 male virgins.
- musculus
I guess your an Obamassah man.
Khan,
Do yourself, and the rest of us a favor.
Don’t vote.
I wouldn’t want someone who is as mis-informed, ill-informed, or un-informed as you to make a mistake.
Such a conundrum.
I want a video of your head exploding.
heh
check your ego, frank. you’re not half as smart or savvy as you think you area. keep running away from points you are unable to address.
Guys,
We REALLY need to help FranksAlter to get his points!
BTW, frankie, are you going to trade them in for tickets to The McCain’s inaug. ball ?
- musculus
About voting for a RINO, McCain. Yes, he is por-amnesty, and a global warming hysteric.
But the Dems are nominating a flat out communist.
McCain is probably almost an ideological twin of Joe Lieberman, another global warming hysteric, but unlike most Donks, one that doesn’t hate his country.
So, I will vote, and while technically it is a vote for the RINO, it is a vote against the Commie.
The Dems whined then and they whine now. They blocked when they were in the majority and don’t like the taste of their own medicine. Boo – freaking -hoo!
They can’t get it done when they are in the majority and could only obstruct while in the minority. They only thing they’ve done cosistently since gaining the minority is hold feckless hearings on every thing from Presidential impeachment to drug usage in Baseball. Yeah they’re real change agents art work. Sounds an awful lot like they wouldn’t play ball then – and now they want to take their ball and go home.
I like your assertion the ‘the will of the people is to do something about global warming’ Do you have the final vote tally on that one? The only will of the people you’ve seen is what you’ve been reading or seeing in the news media. They wouldn’t know how to solve finding their butt in a closet with a flashlight and a compass – yet you beleive every misguided thing they say about global warming. I got news for you – despite what Al Gore thinks, the debate ain’t over.
Problem is only one side of the arguement is being published or championed in the media. If you did nothing but read the newspaper you’d think that global warming is a fact and that only by taxing the big bad US that it can be solved. You’d think that higher taxes are the cure for all ills. You’d think that it’s OK for foreigners to break our laws and not face deportion. You’d think that self-determination and self reliance were abohorrent and that only the government has all of the answers and cures for society. Obviously – a lot of the balance has been filtered out. What passes for news is more editorial and spin than fact.
I do agree that this administration has done nothing to stop the growth of government. You’d think that FDR or LBJ were at the helm. But it did cut taxes – significantly – and despite what has been said about the deficit – we are now pulling in more tax dollars per quarter to our treasury thatn in any other time in history – despite the lower taxes (see the Office of Management and Budget if you don’t beleive me.
Come November we’re looking at Democrat candidates who would love nothing better than to tax us to the hilt to support their noble govermental giveaways (Universal Health Insurance, Universal Disaster Insurance, Universal education Assistance, Universal Homeowner Mortgae Assistance). Nobody ever askes where the money is going to come from – and nobody ever really looks at other governmaet programs and compares their orginal ‘estimated costs’ with their true costs. The plans also smack of class warfare. If the Democrats really wanted to be fair, they’d look at a flat tax (and if that wouldn’t be good enough – exempt the first $60,000 of income from any source and tax the rest at aflat rate and do away with the political tax cronyism that is inherent to our current tax system.
A little off topic but I think you get what I’m driving at.
No Khan,
It’s not about “ego”
It’s about prioritizing.
I learned, a long time ago, you don’t get perfect candidates, or candidtates you see eye to eye with on all the issues.
Sometimes, you have to choose the best of the worst.
Getting some of what you want is a whole lot better, than getting all of what you don’t want.
That’s how it works, in the real world.
pro-amnesty.
Ooops.
Meanwhile, I encourage everyone to skip the general GOP camapign funds, such as the Congressional funds, who give money to all GOP candidates, good and bad, and contribute money to individual candidates who aren’t RINOs. I don’t know much about Jim Ogonowski, other than he was career Air Force, and his brother was killed on American Airlines Flight 11 on 9/11, but he is challenging Jon Cary, so that was enough for me to send him $50.
I encourage people to visit http://www.jimogonowski.com and do likewise
So are the Republicans:
“Um, I don’t like obscene profits being made anywhere–and I’d be glad to look not just at the windfall profits tax–that’s not what bothers me–but we should look at any incentives that we are giving to people, that or industries or corporations that are distorting the market.”
Which is why I continually say that you defer to party instead of principle. Now you’re admitting to it.
Still, since you blame the voters on “creating” the RINOs, and since you WILL be voting for John McCain, can we then blame you for talking out of both sides of your mouth since you’ll be enabling the bastard?
Nah, my head is fine… if a sound a little out-of-sorts, its the nerve-conduction-timing tests this late afternoon. They fire a coded pulse along a specific nerve & record the propigation speed, strength, etc. Lots of fun.
I don’t take anything you say seriously. I know you’re in it for the points.
I could never believe what a person says to win McCain points…
– musculus
Khan,
“Look at”
As long as he “Looks at it” I’m fine.
He can put it in a li’l jar by the door, for all I care.
As long as he doesn’t act on it.
I take it, the “priority” part went whooosh, right on by, eh?