Gentle environmentalists frustrated by garden-nibbling wildlife; retaliate with brutal, shocking violence
Oh, the humanity:
This NY Times article made me chuckle–for all the green pieties of the Times’ readership, things can turn real ugly when one’s garden is threatened or the herons are using your koi pond for a sushi bar. In addition to the porky-flattening grandma above, pitchforks, drownings, shotguns, and various unspecified violent means are resorted to, sometimes without a pang of guilt, to defend one’s heirloom tomatoes and arugula beds.
Then again, sometimes there’s plenty of guilt and a little new age ritual to absolve it:
Finally, the artist decided he would have to shoot the animals. First, though, he went to each hole and made an announcement.
“I said: ‘I intend to kill you. You have 24 hours to get out,’ ” he recalls. “I wanted to give them fair warning. I said, ‘If I were you, I would find another place to live.’ I also promised them I would not take a shot unless I knew it would be fatal.”
He is making this into a funny story, he says, but when he killed his first woodchuck he “literally felt sick.”
“I went outside and knelt down to it and said a little prayer to whatever the powers that be that when my turn comes, I will do it as gracefully and uncomplainingly.”
Eventually, though, he embraced his mission, and grew so obsessed with it that an aunt began to call him Woodchuck Johnny.
The squirrel drowners–she an environmentalist and lawyer–have gotten eerily desensitized at their rather elaborate squirrel-destruction method Part of me isn’t surprised; if we didn’t effectively rationalize our need to kill pests, our species would have died out long ago. Whacking woodchucks is just as necessary, and not that different from,stepping on crop-devouring locusts, except that the woodchucks are cuter. And gooshier.
Exit question: do you think it’s possible that this whole green thing is just a sham the city folk put up to fool each other?
Nah, couldn’t be.
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Were’s PETA?
They shoot horses, don’t they.
Thanks for starting my morning out on a humorous note :).
I’m a dedicated mole-whacker, myself. Over the years I’ve been responsible for the murders of many moles. My weapons of choice: poison, drownings, electric current running through wet ground, assorted explosives and yes… even firearms.
Yes, yes… I know it’s violent. But darnit, I don’t spend a lot of money making my grass look green and healthy just so those miserable little bastahds can come in and tear it up.
I respect life just as much as anyone else, but this is war dammit!
/Seriously
Ideology is just soooooooo cute, until the reality of it ends up on your doorstep.
Ahh…the inspiring dissonance. Heh.
… and don’t even get me started on the deer.
These folks are just like all the terrorist non-believers that go around preaching and pontificating how their coexistence righteousness towards the world … then … WHAM! … they get a direct hit and have to experience personally the backlash of their stance … so … VOILA! … they take the same action they have been condemning the rest of us for …
Alas … the irony of it all …
All critters are welcome in my backyard. My garden annually submits to their will.
In my oh-so Conservative neighborhood, our deer have their fawns in our backyard. We screen our gardens off, and enjoy the wildlife.
I love the guy who weathered the traumatic experience of killing his first chuck, only to turn into a raging serial killer.
Must be post-traumatic stress disorder.
In order to save the planet, they had to kill it…
On June 6th, 2008 at 8:17 am, radio relay said:
Fixed that fer ya :).
I live in suburban Chicago, I have counted 24 species of birds on my property, including a wayward pelican a couple of weeks ago.
I’m more green than the average libtard, who only TALKS about being green.
On June 6th, 2008 at 8:03 am, Irish Rose said:
… and don’t even get me started on the deer.
At least you can eat them afterward.
When we still lived in the country the only critters I would instantly slaughter were dangerous snakes like the copper heads that seemed thick out there.
The rabbits that seemed to invade our garden were too fast for me. I just never could hit a moving target well.
Susanne Williams should be arrested and fined. you can get traps for free, trap it, and let it loose in the woods. what a Boitch.
Hmmm… I wonder if any of these good folks are closet mole killers/chuck thumpers?
Senator Obama should make note of this and leern the lesson.
The envoinmentalist really tried to speak directly to the pest and negotiate a settlement.
In the end, he had to whack the pest to save his land and the fruits of his labors.
(Subsititute Obama for environmentalist and Iran for pest.)
images of the whack-a-mole game at the arcades …
… mmmm, venison :).
I grew up on a farm… I learned about selective killing early in life.
My evil parents were also hunters.
I’m the product of a bad childhood, you see.
I guess having to compete with other species for sustenance has awoken the primal survival instinct of these planet worshiping tree huggers and turned them into mad dog killers. You think it would be more humane to take the varmints out with a .22 cal or 18 gauge shot gun rather than bludgeoning them to death. Liberals really are scary people. Thanks for the Friday morning chuckle See-Dubya!
Each other and themselves. It (and Global Warming) are narcissistic substitutes for religion.
I think this woman just misses her old job….
seals
This psycho should don a Totenkoph pin on the front of her sun hat.
Where’s Carl Spackler when you need him?
“Kill the golfers?”
#19 Boomer
This has nothing to do with “competing for sustenance”.
Have you figured up the cost of raising organically-grown flowers and produce lately?
Not to mention the significant costs involved in planting a Japanese peace garden, or filling a meditation pool with koi.
If it comes down to losing out on a significant personal investment (time, money or both), I suspect that even the most rabid environmentalist can rationalize killing.
I live on a farm, and we use cats and a dog to do much of our dirty work. Watching a cat dispatch a rabbit is a sight to behold–something one wouldn’t think possible.
Wiser words have never been said.
I live in an apartment in Las Vegas. The most dangerous critters that I have to deal with are crickets, and the cat takes car of that for me.
I love the hypocacy of the liberals though.
I had squirrels in my attic, they got in by some bambo shades I had covering windows on by back porch, they ate a whole in my saufet and went right into nest. They had three babies so I waited for them to leave my attic and took the shades down. It was funny they would get on my picnic table and look up with sad little eyes wondering how they would get back in. They mess with my bird feeders and frolick aimlessly in my vegetable garden so I shoot them in the ars with a pelet gun and I just laugh when they do their flip and run routine and look back with a confused look wondering what just bit them. I love torturing the little bastards.
Thanks Misscheryl for correcting my perception of man against nature! I haven’t been the same since Air Force Survival School in 1979 my instructors were convinced that I would have no problems in a survival situation. There I go again forgetting to follow the money. Hope your Friday is going as well as mine!
For sheer devastation, nothing much beats a full grown raccoon. They’re quick, too, and hard to hit at night. Makes it a real challenge when you have a whole family move in on you. ‘Possum, on the other hand, are fairly stupid and often stop to challenge you for the cat food. Makes them a nice broadside target for a .22.
So after this guy does his Dr. Doolittle impersonation he becomes a bloodlusty serial killer. I would characterize him a a model democrat.
She’s probably a member of PETA - People Eating Tasty Animals. I’d hate to clean that porcupine. She probably gets the point though.
On June 6th, 2008 at 9:25 am, txvet2 said:
They’re also one of the few citified wild-critters with enough balls to fight back :).
Shotgun…preferable the 12 guage varity….full choke.
You don’t have to be as accurate…just within range.
Let me get this straight, this peace loving animal lover is killing small creatures with a SLEDGEHAMMER????
WOW just WOW.
Nearly sprayed orange juice all over my monitor reading about the squirrel drowners.
When you reach over and put your hand in a pile of goo that was your best
friend’s facefertilized-by-your-own-feces heirloom tomato, you’ll know what to do!Not only that, but they are among the most disease ridden… VERMINE WITH A BRAIN! Nothing works better on racoons than your car. I will dodge a chipmonk crossing the road, but a racoon will become my target.
They were really water boarding them to extract information on their commrades.
That’s why I shoot Hippies & Moonbats… With a heavy dose of Malathion from my 10 gallon, high-pressure sprayer. They’re a nuisance to my environment; they’re the highest order of pestilence.
ROFLMAO
“The squirrel drowners–she an environmentalist and lawyer–have gotten eerily desensitized at their rather elaborate squirrel-destruction method Part of me isn’t surprised;”
Desensitization…wondering how this will play out since CO2 is a pollutant; you know the stuff we exhale. With mansion-dwelling, jet-setting prophets (profits?) of doom like Al Gore and Babs Boxer priming the media with their “sky-is-falling/we will soon reach a tipping point” bunk, one can imagine how the future could unfold…
notice how no liberals have posted here defending the sledgehammer beating of small, defenseless animals.
Have some hypocracy with a serving of smoked venison with a side of fried mole nuggets.
I suggest ranch dipping sauce for the nuggets, by the way…delicious!
I’ve seen lgm droppings on other threads. I guess he is afraid of Yiddish Steel’s sprayer or Blind Mule’s waterboarding.
Hey, Blind_Mule. I don’t suppose you have a photo of a mole on which you could super impose lgm’s headshot do you?
I think lgm just doesn’t want us to know what he does in his spare time. That’s why he is conveniently absent from the conversation. Mental pictures of him complete with camo wear, face paint, a toy AK47, a funny hat and binnoculars. I can picture him slithering through the grass looking for squirrels. He’s on a mission, should he choose to accept..yadda yadda yadda
Good gracious. And they say conservatives have mental issues? Never in my life have I tried to give “fair warning” to an animal I’m about to shoot (because I haven’t shot any - even the bunnies that ate my potted plants!)
Isn’t it time environmentalism jumped the shark (and was, preferably, eaten by it)?
There is a show on IIRC the History Channel where they take urban & suburban hipster types out into Alaska’s wilds. They get a very meager supply of food, but no meat. They are supplied with guns & ammo too.
Eventually, they figure out how to kill and eat what they kill. So, you have hipster type shooting squirrels and then dressing them out and eating them.
I grew up in farm country and when young the place next to us was an active dairy farm (until one morning the smell of smoke was heavy in the air) and I remember going over there and helping butcher chickens. I hunt from time to time and grouse are mighty fine eating as are whitetail deer.
its distinctly possible! waterboarding sounds fun tho
lets get some squirrels and get to it!
One can only hope the nutroots start hitting each other with sledgehammers.
On June 6th, 2008 at 10:40 am, maurelius said:
Also rabbit and pheasant.
Did I mention that I also like to fish?
I’m such a heartless barbarian that I shock even myself.
Answer: Yes.
Around here we call woodchucks “ground hogs.” I have been told they are very good to eat, baked in the oven with gravy and potatoes. But I’ve never had the opportunity to eat one so I can say if they are fit to eat or not. I did eat a goat in Jamaica once though.
Some Virginia counties used to pay a small bounty on woodchucks because they are so destructive to crops. Take the tail (after you kill the ground hog, of course) to a county extension office and pick up the reward. I think it was something like five dollars.
Fried Woodchuck
1 woodchuck
1 tbsp salt
1 cup flour
2 tbsp fat
Clean woodchuck; remove glands; cut into 6 or 7 pieces. Parboil in salted water for 1 hour. Remove from broth; roll in flour and fry in hot fat (deep fat may be used) until brown. Serves 6.
… mmmm, mmm.
Excuse me while I work on that, good idea
tasts like chicken?!
Idiot Libs do the same thing with people.”Oh help the homeless, give them shelter !”, (just don’t send them to MY home) ; re/hypocrite
Dark meat.
Goes down great with corn on the cob, a crisp arugula salad with pine nuts, and a nice Merlot.
yum yum!
Here’s one for the more health conscious:
Barbeque Raccoon
1 raccoon
12 small sweet potatoes
1 med. onion (sliced)
3 med. carrots
1 tablespoon worcestershire sauce
salt and pepper
1 large bell pepper
1 cup water
1 bottle of barbecue sauce
Directions:
Dress the coon, then cook until tender. Debone. Place coon in foil lined baking pan. Add remaining ingredients to baking pan. Bake at 350 degrees for 1 hour or until sweet potatoes are done. Serves 6.
Who says you can’t eat well on a budget?
no no no…no raccoon! Nope, nadda, can’t do it..they are nasty creatures.
I am one of those animal rights “wackos” and proud to be so. I think it’s nice that we don’t want to kill innocent beings. I am repelled by killing and you should be, too.
Anyway, environmentalists are not necessarily animal rights activists. Many of them don’t care a wit about individual animal suffering…just a clean environment. Many of them have little to zilch compassion for suffering…that is why I am an animal rights activist first to put myself apart from environmentalists who care only for selfish reasons.
I am repelled by the lady in the pic. There are many ways to deal with animal problems that don’t resort to killing.
Do not presume that you can tell me what I should and should not do!
On June 6th, 2008 at 11:24 am, Soliel said:
Nope, sorry.
I hunt.
I fish.
I wear fur.
And I like it.
The problem with deer eating your garden is that you are only allowed one or two per season. So between me and the missus, we can only get rid of 4. Not nearly enough to save the tamaters. But we have found that spraying them (the maters not the deer) down with habanero water tends to cut down on the losses.
The cottontail rabbits are in season from Sept 1 - Mar 31, so we thin them out pretty good before the growing season starts (hmmm rabbit stew). The dogs take care of most of the survivors, and the neighbors tend to ignore the occasional gunshot if there is a particularly stubborn bunny(as do we).
And the greenies tend to live over in the Jackson area so they don’t bother us much.
In Georgia, that is called “hunting without a license”. It is also called “hunting with an unlawful weapon”. In Georgia, the excuse that they were eating your garden wouldn’t fly because you are neither a farmer nor a subsitence gardener and they weren’t “raiding your crops”. Now, Alaska is supposed to have tougher game laws than Georgia and here is this nice Communist lady whacking poor animals with a sledge.
Where is the Game Warden?
Soliel,
You are almost right on your explanation of environmentalists not being animal rights types. In fact, environmentalists and animal rights nuts do far more damage to the environment than those of us who pay taxes on sporting equipment, license fees and steward our own and public land for hunting. We take care of the environment to the tune of Millions and Commie Greens mountain bike through it on weekends for free. Then they complain that we killed “Bambi”.
Pony up folks. Until you do, you have no right to complain about how I use the resources I pay for.
An apparently abused dog came here . She had learned to live off the land, because she was not emaciated. She killed and ate raccoons which had been eating our cats. We shot the last one with a .22 two days ago.
A scientist speculated that if humans became extinct, raccoons would be on the list of candidates intelligent enough to eventually re -invent civilized life.
I used to sit on my back porch and shoot red squirrels. I was just providing food for those higher on the food chain. I hate red squirrels.
Storm Chaser - that was a tough little dog if it killed raccoons. That is no easy feat for one dog to do.
Let me clarify, for the animal rights folks that are reading.
I eat meat, and I hunt and fish to feed my family.
I wear fur because I live in Michigan, and its’ colder than a witches’ tit up here come winter.
I kill moles because my poor mother broke her ankle in a mole-hole on her front lawn, and it’s never going to happen to me. I do everything that I can to discourage them without offing them. If they won’t go, then they face the consequences of not leaving.
I also believe that killing citified, socially aggressive wild animals to prevent the spread of diseases like rabies among human beings, ia a very good public health practice.
Just in case you guys don’t know him, at least Jerry Clower always gave the coons a sporting chance.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=tBnOCFrCByg
On June 6th, 2008 at 11:38 am, ct davis said:
Very well stated, and spot on.
Actually, I don’t tell people how to live. I know we all have free choice and will in this life. We are all under the same laws of nature and spirit. If you want to choose to kill for fun, then that is the kind of person you are choosing to be. Fine. Do it. You have chosen to be that kind of human (if you call it that).
I like to live a noble life. No, I am not perfect by any means but I don’t want to kill, and I am glad by that. I think it’s more elevated to not kill harm innocent living beings. How else can I put it? Is it not obvious that this is better? To not kill for fun? Well, I guess to some it is not obvious and you will continue your ways until you are more enlightened and realize that is not your best self. Good luck.
… I also enjoy a nice chicken dinner from Kentucky Fried Chicken once in a while.
In fact, just for fun, for every comment here that wants to justify killing innocent beings for fun, pleasure or profit…I will donate $5 bucks to PeTA. How’s that? Keep your rude comments coming and I will donate. Don’t worry, I can handle all of them. I am rich.
I agree with misscheryl, I have never been repelled by any of my kills. I don’t think I’d kill in a situation that would repell me.
On June 6th, 2008 at 11:55 am, Soliel said:
And your point is?
Leftard double standards, really? I caught a program recently on the science channel. It was all about some Canadian bone hunters from some museum up there. They had found a specimen next to a river somewhere in BC and wanted to dig it up. Well you should have seen the way they treated that pristine environment, ripping out vegetation spray painting rocks sawing away on the rivers edge and generally ravaging the riverside in a manner reminiscent of Genghis Khan. It was a mess no oil company or mining company would have been allowed to get away with what they were doing. No hunter of packer ever treated the environment in that way. But you know, millions of years old bones from a period long since gone is more important than things we need today. Save the planet chase off a paleontologist.
#78 tgusa
Probably thought that they had the missing link there.
made to order pic of lgm
So tell me Soliel, how do you feel about killing cockroaches?
My neighborhood sprays for mosquitos, to prevent the spread of disease. Is this right or wrong, in your book?
I am an avowed enemy of voles, moles, rabbits and squirrels, and the occasional neighbor’s dog or cat.. I have a Wrist rocket sling shot with BB’s that is quiet, deadly and very satisfying…. When an animal helps me pay my mortgage then I’ll engage in anthropomorphizing the little cretins.
Evidently, Woodchuck Johnny has never heard of chicken wire.
Let’s send these nice folks a signed copy of Ted Nugent’s “Kill It And Grill It.”
The missing link. Gee I thought the missing link was gainfully employed in Hollyweird.
I’m not sure how yall feel about it but I must confess that every time I find a snail in my yard I toss it way up in the air towards the driveway, hey the birds gotta eat too.
On June 6th, 2008 at 12:12 pm, greenfairie said:
Shame on you, another 5 bucks for PETA ;).
Don’t bother to donate on my post I don’t kill them I just torture them.
On June 6th, 2008 at 12:15 pm, tgusa said:
I feel the same way every time I pick a hornworm off of my heirloom tomato plants and squish it under my heel.
Oh, the guilt.
/sarc
libs have no problem with YOU parting with YOUR money, life or property…its ONLY BAD when THEY have to be the ones to do it…watch and see.
Once these fools see how much they will lose under a liberal…like in 1972 under McGovern…this is when they cursed NIxon publically, and still voted for him privately.
I believe history will repeat itself under Obama
You can only be aroused so long…before it gets old.
Oh and please do donate to PETA — People Eating Tasty Animals….. oh not that organization? … never mind!
I’m sure many of you have heard of this and I thought “I don’t believe it but I’ll try it” Juicy Fruit Gum will kill moles, they can’t digest the gum and it plugs them up and they die. That way you can say I did’nt kill them the gum did.
Yep I know. My kids used to hate me for it until I pointed out to them, notice how they get closer and closer each day? We are under attack there’s no doubt about it. Plus, I read an article awhile back that argued snails might have taken over if humans hadn’t so in my opinion, it’s a war.
thats how i feel about the polar bear and the caribu.
Oh man, racoons are sooooooo nasty. It isn’t just the mess they make, they leave the most prodigious amounts of poop everywhere. It’s unlawful to fire a weapon in town, police are only allowed to corral domestic animals, so the poop just piled up and piled up. He finally moved on to greener pastures and we hope he lost his map so he can’t come back.
Kill them! Woodchucks are evil, and cause global warming! Do you know how much wood would a woodchuck chuck? I don’t either, but I’d bet it’s a lot.
“I am not an animal!”
Some folks on this blog could use sensitivity training. Good grief. Feel blessed to have critters around you. They are the only true innocents in our world. While it is an inconvenience, we just plant what the animals don’t like to eat. If they reach over or trample vegetable garden fencing, we drive a seven miles to the Hy-Vee and buy tomatoes there. The deer come down to feed every night at dusk even if we have a raucus party going on in the backyard. We give them cracked corn in custom deer feeders - originally to keep them away from the bird feeders, but now just as their entree. They prefer bird feed. We have raccoons, possums, squirrels and skunks as well. So far no incidents with the skunks, we have 7 cats, but we know it is only a matter of time. The cats in the meantime have wiped out the rabbits much to our horror and cleared out the ground squirrels as well. The little voles and various mice types are too numerous although they give it a good college try. Just wish they’d eat the heads and that funny green gizzard rather than leaving them on the front entryway. All of these animals add a wonderful dimension to very busy working lives. Most of the cats are refugees from surrounding horse operations and farms. People: The hunting ability of cats improves when you feed them.
1. I was always taught to eat what I kill or if it’s not edible - bury it deep in the garden as fertalizer. Don’t waste anything.
2. For these nuts, if it’s that easy to go against their “firm beliefs” against killing any animals, how far are they from offing a neighbor for voting against Obama? Or driving a suv?
At some point some people can justify anything intheir own mind.
Hmmm… our only critters are squirrels. It seems like the cars on the street do a better job of population control (note to squirrels: if you stand in the middle of the road and the car swerves to the right to avoid you, DON’T run right). But man, some of these people are sick in the head! I bet it’s BDS that made them do it, eh?
I have a friend/co-worker that belongs to an organization called Trout Unlimited. TU works with the DFG to bring the trout population back up, and restore creeks and rivers. In the process they go through and kill anything that they think doesn’t belong.
He told me the DFG has a tazer that they use on the bullfrogs. They shock the water and it brings everything to the surface, then they round up all the illegal animals, so they can be put to death.
Another co-worker and I want to get some shirts made up that say “Frogs Limited” and have a picture of a frog saying “Don’t taze me bro”
Environmentalists need a cause, and will kill in its name; as long as it is for the good of the cause.
Oh my gosh this made me laugh. I’ve always known leftys were only ‘peaceful’ when convenient.
I mostly can’t kill anything. I even save spiders and assorted bugs that make their way inside.
But mosquitos and ants were made to be killed. Any and every way possible.
I also don’t eat meat except rarely. But I found myself wondering how Woodchuck would taste… Might be hard to cook them though if they’re blown to bits.
One more comment… I am going to make a T-shirt with a little pig running away and a hatchet kind of in the upper corner and have it say, ‘If pigs don’t want to be eaten, they really need to stop tasting so good.’
The meat that can tempt me is pork.. baby back ribs, pork tenderloin… MMmmmm tasty.
Bacon tastes gooood.
Pork Chops taste goooood.
They didn’t invade your garden…
Your garden invaded them!!
“Love me, love me, love me…. I’m a Liberal”
Phil Ochs
#97 iowavette
Squirrels, woodchucks and raccoons are not cute, furry domestic pets. They are WILD ANIMALS. And they will not hesitate to ACT like wild animals.
They also carry parasites like tics, and diseases like rabies.
They don’t “love human beings” - or even want to co-habitate with human beings. It’s naive, dangerous and self-delusional to believe otherwise.
It’s different if you live in the country. But if you live in the city, you do your neighbors and yourself no favors by encouraging this kind of thing. In some places there are fines for feeding wild animals to draw them into populated areas like this, and rightfully so.
It doesn’t matter how “cute” these animals are… It’s NEVER a good idea to encourage wild animals to share their living space with human beings. EVER.
What was said does not matter. I just get a funny feeling he/she is pro-
choicedeath.BM,
NIIIICCCCCE pic of little goofy mole
I used to manage over 300 acres of organic farm outside of Berkeley Springs. We marketed (For quite a nice profit) to the folks in and around DC.
Organic - Yeah, all our stuff was but the state still sprayed chemicals 3, 4 and sometimes 5 times a year to kill pests. So much for organic huh?
Deer would take a bite out of each melon and not only eat what they needed and leave. Good meat so we killed a couple and spread the stuff we cut out around the edge of the melons to keep them out.
Groundhogs/Squirrels Again, pests but very tasty all. We used to cook them up on a regular basis.
Copperheads? Death on site. No rattle, no warning and no mercy. In our view it was child endangerment NOT to kill them.
Coons, good if cooked right and yeah, if you found one dog that could take on a coon and come out with nothing more than a full belly … you shoulda kept it!
Rabbits? I can usually hit them on a dead-run (no pun intended) with my ruger .22 pistol. Might have given them a slightly gamy taste but boiled up right nice in a stew. (My Ma is a much better shot though)
Point being, there really is no such thing as organic unless it is grown indoors. If you gotta kill the critters to keep them out of your pockets, make use of what you can and don’t waste anything.
Conversely, if the liberal mindset is such that it can find just cause for committing acts of violence, maybe when they get their communist/socialist
utopiahell they have been wanting for so long and see how much it threatens their existence … just maybe some of them will join us in our stand. (Though we may have to teach some of them how to handle firearms properly)Just sayin
I guess all those Disney movies didn’t take…
TEEEEEJ
Okay guys…it’s time for me to express myself.
First of all…MostlyAnnoyed and Mom2jack…I am a conservative, just not when it comes to animals and the environment. Actually, animal rights is not a leftist movement…it just has to do with your feeling for animals. I do NOT have Bush Derangement Syndrome nor do I support Obama. There is NO WAY I would support Obama. I am a conservative person who thinks we should consider animals and not cause undue suffering. Capiche?
Irish Rose…the cockroach comment. The idea here is what is in your heart. Certainly there are some situations where killing would be hard to avoid..for instance like a cockroach invasion. The question is do you partake in killing because it brings you joy or do you do it ONLY when there is no other option. The question is the nobility and compassion in one’s heart. To your question, the other day I found ONE cockroach in my mother’s bathroom. I scooped him up in a towel and took him outside and released him. If there were many, then I would probably kill them but only if I really had to. The difference is I sincerely do not want to kill and I do my best not to. I put the biggest attention on animals who have a higher capacity to feel…and that means mammals and the like. Vegetables don’t have the same capacity to feel.
It looks like I’ll be giving a big donation to PeTA due to so many of your sophmoric, moronic, and rude comments. That’s OK…as I said before, I can afford it and PeTA is a noble organization and does good work. Too bad I cannot say the same for most of you.
Iowavette…thank you for having some consciousness and consideration.
Per Penn and Teller’s awesome Showtime series, “BullSh*t”, peta kills 75% of the animals they “rescue”. Keep donating, they’ll keep killing.
TEEEEEEJ
I am still amazed but the animal loving hippy taking a sledgehammer to a porcipine. A freaking sledgehammer. A bullet I could understand but a sledgehammer is positively mid-evil.
ROFLMAO
That turned out even better than I had hoped! Thanks, BM.
We have racoons and those gosh horrible opossoms’ they are really nasty teethy things. The racoons climb trees, get on the roof, go down trees, looking for cat food and their poop on the roof gets everywhere on the ground when it rains. I don’t have moles, I use bug granules to kill the gurbs, they eat them. Now the moles, they are really hard to get rid of. They won’t let me fire my 357 in the city unless it is for self defense. We have javelins, I have eaten them and they do not taste good. No amount of bbq sauce will help.
This has been fun reading the posts.
L
I have a gopher problem…damn things are eating my roses from 6 to 4 inches below ground. I’d love to borrow that sledge hammer. One afternoon the cat watched from behind the Begonias to one pushing dirt up and out from below the safety of a rose. I stood there from the other side, watching. Neither saw me. The cat pounced. Missed! Stuck his whole leg down the hole. Stupid gopher.
I understand some of your points Soliel. I will certainly not kill anything without cause. (Which is more than we can say for many urban dwellers in today’s society … much less outdoors enthusiasts and those that live in very rural areas)
I do not kill insects when there is a capacity to remove them safely. I do not kill animals for “fun”. When I was a kid, we would get five .22 shells every morning. We were expected to bring home something for dinner on the way back. A deer goes down very quickly with a well-placed .22 but you better be certain to hit it in the eye or the ear or you will be chasing it for miles. Likewise groundhogs, if you do not hit them in the head, they will shimmy right back down in the hole. If any shell was spent without something to show for it, we were held accountable and had to answer for it. If it was found that someone had left an animal wounded, they were sent out to fetch it.
However, I do NOT believe in allowing anyone or anything to dictate to me what a free market economy will bear. I do not see the need for mercy or concern when I am defending my property from any invaders. As for the use of chicken wire, most deer can jump over an outhouse from a flat-footed stance. A fence never even makes them think twice. Ground dwelling critters can easily get under the fence as well.
Granted, animal invasions are a lot different than the invasion of human beings (like the one we are currently facing) but there are times and occasions when the use of force is the only viable option. This can be evidenced by Johnny Woodchucks conversational approach. I just wonder if he sang Kumbayah to them as he killed them.
As for PETA … as I recall, they have made some pretty good efforts as well. I especially like the way they dumped the bodies in the fields. Real classy. As I said, I agree with some of your stance and it is after all, your money and your right to do as you please with it (at least after the government gets their share) but maybe donations would be better served with fish hatcheries or other conservationist movements?
Still just sayin’
Here is a popular weekend activity at this time of the year courtesy of Prof. Tom Lehrer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2If9bVJJLY
on post 114, it should be gophers not moles hard to get rid of.
L
I am neither moronic, sophmoric and rarely rude. I will not, however, ever allow the animals of this earth have an equal footing to me and my fellow humans. If it ever should occur that I must choose between an animal or a human , the animal loses. I must agree with Irish’s point of inviting animals into urban and residential areas through uses of bird feeders, salt licks and the like. It is totally anathema to the law of nature and to the respect of other’s property. Again, I will not allow anthropomorphic attempts in my life,ever. You may certainly follow your philosophy if you choose, but keep your “pets” on your own grounds and don’t waste a veterinarian’s time when Fluffy or Kitty get infections or injuries from animals.
…and how many animals did they euthanize and toss into dumpsters? How many Hollywood elites drumming the cause sit on leather seats?
If PeTA is the moral conscience, I prefer Trinity Church.
P.S. I prefer to do my “good work” for humans who are suffering. Care to donate – you being rich and all. (click on moniker – shameless plug)
You are right Irish Rose. When I was young we caught just about everything catch able insects reptiles mammals and fooled around with them for awhile then let them go. A course diamondbacks and such got beheaded on the spot. At one time we had decided to catch some ground squirrels and we built this huge enclosure for them filled it with dirt and everything. The idea was to make a sort of ant farm only with ground squirrels. Well once we had several squirrels in there if we approached the habitat these things would launch themselves at the chicken wire head on with a crazed look on their faces hissing and growling as cute little squirrels will do. They were vicious; by the end of the day we had let them loose and scrapped the idea. A couple more points are most bears that end up having to be tracked down and killed have been fed by humans at one point. Also if an animal population becomes too large, like say deer, and there is a bad year of weather they begin to eat every thing in reach and when that runs out they all, all, slowing starve to death. That’s not compassionate, allowing that is insensitive.
Lol, you mean the same PETA that paid money and worked as a front organization for ELF? The same PETA that:
You mean that terrorist-group supporting group the FBI started an investigation into for funding ELF?
Oh, yes, they are truly noble. /sarc
Hey! Isn’t that cruelty to animals?
PETA is gonna love Billy Mays And these old people pounding the crap out of coyotes
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WOW, I see PeTA getting rich off of someone donating $5 per evil post.
Give them another $5 for me
Cha-ching $5
Here’s another couple questions. We hear a lot of talk about shark attacks off Florida, gosh, remember those shark feeding expeditions some lunatics, err, people, were hosting over the last decade? You think sharks are as dumb as they pretend to be? You think they have remained relatively unchanged over the millennia because they couldn’t adapt? Well the dinner bell was rung what do you expect? What peril have these people wrought on us by influencing the evolutionary process of these notoriously hungry and not very finicky beasts? On the bright side if any islamists try to swim ashore they better watch out, the sharks think they have food.
How do you know what LGM looks like? It would be easy to find my picture on line, just google sonofdy.
What, MS-13?
Anyway, We i live in the LA area, its mostly winged critters, and tree rat. If I could get away with it, I’d be more than happy to knock off every possum , rat, pigeon (rats with feathers) and raven in sight. All nasty and obnoxious creatures.
Soleil,
Sadly, your $5 donations to PETA will be spent on clothes made of petroleum based nylon by some Hippie who figured out the Democrat style of capitalism: Large corporations who make money by producing a product and selling it for profit are bad. However, corrupt organizations who are tax exempt that support Marxists and Terrorist organizations and dupe people who are ignorant of the facts but merely want to do right by the world are good. This is why most members of Greenpeace do not vote Republican. (BTW - Greatest naval victory in the history of France - Sinking of the Rainbow Warrior!)
If you want to make a difference, whatever state you live in will have a Department of Natural Resources. They will probably have a shooting safety program for kids. Donate the money you would have given to a Communists to them. The Kids need it and shooting teaches discipline, self control and competitive spirit (all things that the Democrats are against).
Also, my wife doesn’t like to kill things either. The difference is, we lived on a farm in the US and she understands the importance of not loosing the garden to deer or the chickens to coyotes or the kids to rattlenakes. She doesn’t kill but she never minded when I did.
Most importantly, she never tried to impose her will out of some misguided moral fervor. I really don’t care if you do not like to kill. That is your business. Last I checked, this is what America is all about.
Good luck.
I suggest using a 22 for shooting raccoons, not a shotgun as was earlier suggested.
Soliel - cha ching
Not when we’re done LOL.
If you want evil, you’re going to have to log into an Al Qaeda website…you know, the ones who partake of the wholesale slaughter of HUMANS.
Here’s some animal evil for ya…let the check writing begin.
1. I’ve shot at least 10 deer in my lifetime, when hunting with my grandfather. (do i get 5 bucks per kill, or just for the statement?)
2. I’ve been fishing and crabbing so many times, I’m sure there’s thousands of creatures i’ve killed, and consumed, all for the the pure pleasure of a wonderful crab cake sandwich, or a lovely Chesapeake Bay rockfish, oven baked with lemon and basil.
3. At least in the last 10 years i’ve terminated 4 moles from my grandmother’s garden with *extreme prejudice*. Rifle shot to the head. 1 shot, 1 kill.
4. 1 snake, terminated for the crime of scaring my child. 2 shotgun blasts.
5. Target: 1 bear. Hunting with grandfather. 500 bonus points for me for it being REALLY tasty, with a lovely glass of red wine.
6. The mass consumption of chicken, beef and pork i have, and will continue to, consume on a regular basis.
Oh, and i SMASHED a spider this morning on my way out the front door. On purpose. Because I could.
That’s at LEAST 35 dollars. If i really thought about it, i’d have you bankrupt by the end of the weekend.
And we wont even start on PEOPLE.
*shrug*
early weekend for me. I think i’ll go hunting………..
This is how, So don’t get out of line or I’ll have to make you an