How today’s media would have covered D-Day
Today is the 64th anniversary of D-Day.
Two items for you to commemorate.
1) First, read Ronald Reagan’s unforgettable Pointe du Hoc speech on the 40th anniversary.
2) Watch this brilliant video produced last year by The Combat Report on how today’s media would have covered the 1944 Normandy invasion. Dead on:
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I doubt FDR’s prayer would’ve made it. Liberals would’ve thrown him under Obama’s bus.
The media wouldn’t have had the gumballs to go to Omaha Beach.
I only wish the soldiers who survived that invasion could somehow magically be running this country. That’s some crazy wish.
I’m waiting for some remembrance from our wormy politicians and the left wing mainstream media. I suppose both will just let it pass like it never happened. This poor Republic is in a very sad state.
Things sure have changed in 64 years. In 1944, a vast majority of American’s actually loved their country, took pride in the military, worked to see thant ships, planes, jeeps, bombs, etc. were made asap to help win the war. Any military person could get a ride from a citizen to help them get home on leave. Look how things are now. It is a real shame we have gone down the tubes so far.
L
I doubt the MSM would be bashing a Democrat president, like FDR, like they do a Republican president in Bush.
I did like the PNN parody though.
Todays media would have told the Germans we were coming.
That all changed with the Viet Nam war.
If it happened now, CNN and MSNBC would round up all the disgruntled former generals who were liberals and give them softball interviews in which the former “generals” would announce that the plan was flawed and could not work. These disgruntled generals would call for more diplomacy and “economic pressure” and accuse FDR of not “working with our allies”. Then CNN would have Zbigniew Brzezinski give his expert opinion that our efforts are “alienating the Arab street”. Surely to follow would be a CNN Larry King interview with Jesse Jackson, Gary Hart and Chuck Hagel in which the three windbags would say FDR had acted without congressional oversight and there should be hearings about FDR’s conduct. Then expect an interview with Jamie Rubin and Madelaine Albright in which they talk about how successful the Clinton administration was by “talking with our advesaries”.
This is a proud and honorable day for the American people.
, God Bless him and all the men who served and gave their lives on the beachs of France and those who entered the war at a later date.
My FIL was one of the first scouts to hit Utah beach. 3 Bronze Star Medals, 3 Purple Hearts, I am very proud of him. This makes me miss him
That is excactly the way it would be reported today by the idiot MSMs
How tragic that we’ve forgotten this lesson.
Hello, Obama and lib followers of his? There is something you might want to learn from Reagan’s speech there.
Sorry, cpodug. Looks like we both posted on the same paragraph from the speech at the same time.
Barry – we think alike – but there is much truth in that paragraph.
Oh, how times have changed, since the days of Omaha with many of the folks in our country. There are far too many out there that don’t have anything even remotely resembling the “loyalties, traditions, and beliefs” of which President Reagan spoke in 1984.
The media actually did report military setbacks and congressmen went before microphones to second guess military strategy.
One difference though: Back then the press did not say that the were dragged into the war on the basis of lies and faked intelligence.
Speaking of which: Did you report the report?
They should have.
Larraby, you are so right. It is astounding how the liberal media never has a problem finding former generals with an axe to grind, or the inevitable “political analyst” who can tell us how this isn’t going to work.
Oh, and I love the “Peoples News Network.” Kind of like the “People’s Republic of some communist country,” huh?
May our soldiers in harms way never lose hope and may we here at home always continue to pray for them and support them.
No doubt things would be different because the media then reported the news not their personal politics …
Also … all news from the war was censored by the government, including the letters sent home by the troops …
there was only radio, newspapers and the weekly news films at the local movie theater to keep up on the state of the war …
people like my mother were all growing victory gardens and working in the war plants …
gasoline and food items such as coffee and sugar were rationed …
All that and more yet no one complained at their personal sacrifices to support the troops and win the war …
even Hollywood was serving in the military or out selling war bonds to support the war …
No such support today from the left …
On a personal level this is always a day of personal importance in my family … my late father was one of those that participated in the D-Day invasion … he always took the day off just as I always take the Marine Corps birthday off … we always spent this day together …
He was my hero and I miss him …
There, fixed it for you.
DL – your father will be proud to know you are carrying on the tradition. He has been twice blessed.
we’re instead of were…was in a hurry.
There, fixed it for me
There wouldn’t have been any such reporting from Omaha or Utah. None of the modern style reporters would have been any closer than London, although Geraldo would have had some prop men fire off some fireworks as he pretended to do live battlefield reports.
Thank a liberal.
Speaking of thanks, this old bumper sticker has always brought a smile to my face:
my grandfather had been a pow for 2 years by then in germany. His war started on october 1st 1939. New Zealand infantry. Greece, Crete, North africa and Al elamien. Of the 1000 men in his battalion in 1939, 8 made it through the war without being captured, maimed or killed. He escaped twice before getting too weak to continue. His camp was close enough to a death camp to get ash if the wind blew the right way. My great grandfather died in world war one on the western front. His father was in the boer war.
I lgm tracks again. I guess he must have lighted for a second to deposit some droppings.
God bless the rapidly diminishing “Greatest Generation”.
We owe them so much, and most of them just wanted to come back to a normal life. A life that they made possible.
I had a great uncle killed fighting with Italian partisans, and an uncle that was a gunner on B-24s in the Pacific.
Thanks to all our Vets!
cpodug
We often spent this day talking about his WWII experiences and my Viet Nam experiences …
Right now he would be most proud of the fact that 5 of his grandchildren are currently serving honorably in the armed forces defending this great country …
I have no doubt in my military mind the liberal journalists (I use the term loosely) would take great pleasure in our troops being cut to pieces on Omaha beach on 6 June 1944. If not for the heroism or the Destroy Captains going in to shore as close as possible and pounding the German defensive emplacements with their 5 inch guns allowing those stuck on the beach to crawl up individually or in small groups and fight their way to crest of the bluff finally breaking the defensive line General Bradley would have probably been given no choice but to risk rescuing those trapped on the beaches by the murderous German fire resulting in only more lives lost.
God bless the rapidly diminishing “Greatest Generation”.
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Who would be considered war criminals if they did what they did back then, today, sigh, sad how low we have fallen.
sonofdy
Thanks to your family and you for your continued service to the country …
Where was this again? Oh, that’s right, the ‘lie’ is that the ‘report of faked intelligence’ exists at all. What rubbish to write on June 6. You should be ashamed.
But the anti-Roosevelt Chicago Tribune did report that the US had broken the Japanese code after the Battle of MIdway, just as the anti-Bush New York Times revealed that we could trace terrorist funs. How convenient of you forget, leeching gutless moron.
I’ve always liked that one too.
It is my feeling that the memory of WWII will be not only soon dimmed, but an effort will begin to change the narrative.
Resist that cr@p with all of your might, my friends. I see Clint Eastwood today calling Spike Lee out for his idiotic opinions about putting blacks in the Flags of Our Fathers movie. Good for Mr. Eastwood.
Race has been an ingress for the beginnings of changing the WW II narrative. My concern isn’t that so much as the redaction of the “why we fought” narrative.
It is important to remember what Naziism and Fascism were. The Axis state leaders took license to kill and destroy, nationalize and imprison whomever they deemed in the way.
How many people here actualy know what the boer war was??? I wonder.
Boomer
The libs would go nuts … we lost over 6,000 brave men on D-Day … in just one day … and today they are hollering about our losing 4,000 great Americans in 6 years in the GWOT …
The South African War between the British and the Boer people? Nope. Never heard of it.
Just watched that video, the “professor from Berkley” was a sad and very realistic dramatization of how liberals respond today. Spot on video.
As these days grow darker and darker I miss having a President like Reagan again. His speech you linked Michelle from the 40th anniversary of D-day is breath taking.
sonofdy
You probably have a point … let alone the fact that there were actually 2 separate Boer Wars …
Hell alot of the kids today don’t know what the korean war was about, let alone some british colonal war. Little known fact, the brittish invented concentration camps during the boer war to deny the boer commandos logistical bases.
This morning my son took his first PT run with his Army recruiter, welcoming him into the Future Soldiers program. After graduation next May he’s heading for Fort Benning Georgia to become an infantryman. To say he’s stoked for this is an understatement. It gives me hope to know that those serving now and those wanting to serve our the future of this nation.
sonofdy that would have been in South Africa between the Dutch settlers and the British Army and I believe that is where a very young Winston Churchill wrote about the exhilaration of being shot at without result.
DesertLover during this current war I use the loses of D-Day and the bloody weeks of hedgerow fighting before the breakout of Operation Cobra as a partial measurement of how fortunate this country has been when looking at the losses sustained in our current World War against Islamic Fascism. Although every military man or woman we have lost is one too many and does grave damage to this country our technological advances since WWII have kept our casualty lists low while only God knows how many Jihadist have been sent to their just reward to burn in hell. May this generation of warriors keep the legacy of the citizen soldiers that fought to free the world from the forces of oppression alive and well by cleansing the world of this generation of would be oppressors.
Roger that. Liberals would spin their heads off their shoulders if they compared the loss of soldiers in iraq to say something more domestic, like…the murder stats from Detroit over the same time period? Or the fact that the number of illegals who kill citizens in this country annual equates to a 9/11 occuring ever 3 or 4 months?
worldnetdaily reported the following:
Just my 2 cents.
Boomer and abstractmind
Well said …
No, it all started with the creation of the U.N. Since the creation/joining the U.N. we haven’t won a war (well I guess that Grenada thing could be called a win).
We are still in a cease fire in Korea, we surrendered in Viet Nam, Gulf War I we stopped at the border. I guess we could call that a win since we did get the Iraqis out of Kuwait, but we didn’t defeat Saddam the way we beat Germany, Japan and Italy in 1945.
We are winning the second Gulf war, but the left is doing everything they can to lose.
Since the U.N. we have quit fighting to win and started fighting to win hearts and minds. We’ve allowed lawyers into the fox holes to moniter “rules of engagement”. We’ve pressed criminal charges against our troops for fighting to win. And we’ve let despots from the world over tell us how to defend freedom.
Thanks to the U.N. and the associated liberal thinking in this country and Europe, there are more dangerous thugs with armies now than at any given time in history.
Until we withdraw/dissolve the U.N. and go back to fighting to win, things will just get worse.
Sorry about the rambling.
D Day is fading away each year so that there’s less and less coverage on it, and that’s a shame because it was the begining of the end of Hitler and his henchmen. How did our schools and Colleges get taken over by a bunch of looney liberals, so that the Country’s great history (good and bad)is no longer being taught the way it should be?
I feel so sorry for my children and grandchildren who have to live in a Country that is slowly going to the dogs.
I am so thnkful for the men and women who fought in that great war and to those who died so that me and my family could have the kind of free life that we have had.
God bless all you brave souls who are serving and fighting now.
Praat jy Afrikaans?
I think there are many in Suid Afrika that harbor ill feelings regarding this dark spot on the ‘Empire’. Cecil Rhodes, Winston Churchill and Mohandas K. Gandhi all spent some time there during the wars.
The boers were fighting for their way of life. The British wanted diamonds, gold and land.
That video clip would be funny if only it weren’t so true.
Now the news media harps over the fact that one soldier died during a roadside ied explosion. That is tragic, however, soldiers also die in training accidents.
They harp over the fact that over 4,000 soldiers have died in Iraq. That’s in 5 years. 10,000 died in one day in Normandy, and history remembers that as a successful invasion.
General George Patton and his cousin, General Chesty Puller would spin in their graves if they knew how much the country they fought for had fallen.
The US media, during WWII, honored a request from the government not to report a fairly effective tactic the Japanese were employing. The Empire was launching bomb ladden blimps into the jet stream and they were starting all kinds of fires in the pacific northwest. If I remember correctly, a family was killed while investigating an unexploded blimp they had come across. The Japanese were keeping an eye on USA media, they assumed none of these airship bombs were making it to America. When in fact the fires were causing such a problem the army dispatched a newly formed unit to fight forest fire(pretty sure it was the 555th, normally I wouldn’t have remember that, but the units nickname was the triple nickels, sounds cool, and I could have sworn it was an all black unit).
Pretty sure I read about this in either “At Dawn We Slept” or “Miracle at Midway”, both books by George Prange(sp). (you know it might have been that fairly new book “Shattered Sword”, i forget the author)
Japan stopped using this tactic, incorrectly assuming it was ineffective… it was a very different US media back then.
The attack on Pearl Harbor was real. Saddam about to get nuclear weapons was not. It was not bad intelligence. It was faked — made up.
Yes there were large losses on D-day, but there also were results. We captured the beaches. The Iraq war seems more like Gallipoli. Bad planning and stupid tactics got lots of soldiers killed with no gain.
The American people have not sacrificed or the war in Iraq because the government has not asked us to. There are no war taxes or rationing — Republicans would not stand for it.
Remember that 5 years after Pearl Harbor, the war was over.
Yea, if this happened today Hitler would have been woken up by staff, because CNN would have been broadcasting the Invasion.
Those two Panzer divisions would have been released, and it would have been MUCH harder, and may have even failed.
Cute little hook for a MM blog entry, but let’s keep it real. It is extremely disingenuous to compare WWII to what has gone on with respect to Iraq. Apples and oranges.
While entertaining, I think this video was still too optimistic. There would have been a far bigger panic attempted to be brought about by the media, along with the various reports of the protestors who would have been marching the streets, carrying signs calling for Roosevelt’s impeachment and death, calling him the new Napoleon, and crying out for an end to the hostilities, decrying the evil of our military for all the civilian deaths in the dual day time/night time bombing raids of the German held cities, as well as the German homeland in general. There would have been repeated showings of the fire bombings of German industrial cities, the drumming to the core for the civilian deaths…in many cases they exceeded the number of civilians killed in the Atomic Bomb drops following fire bombings of cities etc., etc., etc.
There is no way that WWII, if fought today, would ever have the victories it had. The military would have their hands tied by know-nothing Congress and Senate committees, the media and other independant groups, as well as the Media’s insistance of telling every last detail of plans. Overlord was successful largely in part de to the secrecy surrounding when and where it would commence.
All on has to do is look at what the New York Times has considered “News Stories” to know that they would have gone public with any and all information surrounding the landings, thus giving the German Miliary and Hitler himself every piece of ammunition they needed to do what Rommel had predicted…sweep the Allies off the beaches and back across the Channel within the first 24 hours, thus ending any hope of an Allied Second Front in Europe, and the eventual defeat of the Allies within months of the attempt.
And all it would have taken was one NYT report on Patton’s Ghost Army in England…ad an expose on the inflatable tanks and dummies used to trick the Nazis into believing the real invasion was still to come in the Pas de Calais like they always believed it would.
lgm:
True the war was over in five years but we still “occupy” those territories today. So get over yourself and if you haven’t served in the military; SHUT UP!
It was only over for us in 5 years due to the use of a nuclear strike.
I’m sure lgm will have something to say about that as well.
On June 6th, 2008 at 10:01 am, lgm said:
Perhaps, but neither did so with the gleeful relish like we see today. The press and congress of the 1940’s knew the U.S. was right to enter the war and, unlike today’s press, actually wanted the “good guys” – the U.S. – to win!
The majority of the WWII era press was as invested in an American victory as anyone, acknowledging that freedom and the American way of life hung in the balance, should the Allies suffer defeat at the hands of the Axis Powers.
As for the WWII era congress, with the exception of a handful of anti-war in Europe Republicans and loud mouth stars like Katherine Hepburn, most congressional criticism of the way the war was conducted in the Euro and Pacific theaters was intended to be constructive – not the kind that borders on treason, like we see today coming from House Democrats!
Something a Leftard would never understand.
God bless the Greatest Generation.
God bless America.
I suggest you look up the definitions of “Total War” versus what we do now, including attempting to fight a war while restricting the types of attacks and battles we are being allowed to wage, courtesy of the media and Liberals like yourself.
lgm
Go back and read what rockefeller said AT THE TIME about the threat from Iraq; Go back and read what all of the other lefty morons like clinton, Kerry, Kennedy, et al said about AT THE TIME about the threat posed by iraq; Go back and read what the intellignece services of France, Germany, UK, Denmark, Italy, Egypt, et al said AT THE TIME about the threat posed by Iraq; Go back and read what ACTUALLY happened in the run up to the war.
George Orwell had it nailed: “Who controls the past controls the future: who controls the present controls the past” — The Democrats are really good at sending the facts down the old memory hole and making up their own. A lie repeated often enough becomes the truth.
This is always a must-read on June 6th:
S.L.A. Marshall, “First Wave at Omaha Beach.”
Reference post #51 above, I am now convinced that the poster is not a human being at all, but a parrot that has learned to type.
Was WWII really necessary? I don’t know. Many conservatives regarded FDR as rather cynical in his, “I hate wah and Eleanor hates wah.” People were more naive in those days. Might call them the “naivest generation.”
Charlie Rose on his show asked Doris Kearns Goodwin why our greatest presidents were war presidents. I think the answer is that war sells history books, and people tend to accept the judgement of historians.
Michelle, thank you for this post to honor the American and Allied troops on the anniversary of D-Day. One of my great uncles was at Utah beach and survived among the hedgerows wounded.
We will not let others forget this day.
These are the boys of Pointe du Hoc. These are the men who took the cliffs. These are the champions who helped free a continent. These are the heroes who helped end a war.
Also, thank you for posting the Reagan speech—I will email to many today.
Please honor all soldiers and veterans; but walk over and give thanks and shake hands with WWII veterans as they are leaving us rapidly at 1000 a day. My father, at 84 and a WWII Marine, is my hero.
Yes there were large losses on D-day, but there also were results. We captured the beaches. The Iraq war seems more like Gallipoli. Bad planning and stupid tactics got lots of soldiers killed with no gain.
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That would make more sense if we didn’t actualy take out saddams government
No sense in pointing out to lgm that the calls for removal of Saddam predated GW Bush’s election to the white house.
No sense in pointing out to lgm the existance of sarin gas rounds in Iraq
No sense in pointing out Saddam paying Palistinian Homicide bomber’s families.
No sense in poiting out all the oil bribes he had.
No sense in pointing out corruption at the UN’s Oil for
foodpalaces program.No sense in pointing out Saddam funding Al Quada franchises.
under that tinfoil hat that is slowly cooking lgm’s head, Karl Rove has a TARDIS stashed somewhere, and is going to run for PM in England as Mister Saxon.
lgm, just no sense.
I had to verbally thrash everyone at work today. They have relegated today’s date to one line in their childish ‘newsletter’. What a bunch of fools, and I am ashamed that those young men died on those beaches for cretins such as these. Yes,lgm, I’m looking at you too.
There are multiple reports that Saddam had them, and also destroyed them.
The Guardian, your favorite mag, said it here. Notice that it says Blair was reporting that Saddam destroyed them/moved them before we went over there.
WorldNetDaily reported on evidence before, here.
CNS reported the story here.
I could go on, but that suffices for the moment. I don’t honestly believe the naive mentality people have when it comes to this subject. Other countries in the region are after this very same thing. Is it a stretch to assume that Saddam had connections to other countries that are working on this, to obtain a weapon himself? Is it possible that they purchased the materials to make weapons of this nature? I’m just saying, there’s enough circumstantial evidence to suggest that he had soemthing he was hiding, one way or the other.
In reference to your “well, we won in 5 years” statement, i would reference the following.
In WW2, we had a clear and obvious enemy. We knew exactly who our adversaries were, there were armies involved, and so on. We are currently involved in combating enemies that wear no uniforms, have no official structure, and operate using hit and run tactics. We are fighting people who hide among the populace, not the Al Qaeda Army.
There are results in Iraq as well. Violence is down across the board. Losses of our soldiers for May are the lowest since we entered. The country is slowly learning to take care of itself…a place thats never had the freedoms we have, or anyone to guide them to it. Would it not be expected that it would take time to adjust to these things?
If you think not, then you’re not in touch with reality.
I hate to be the spoilsport, but WWII was an anomaly in the American public’s regard for the military, which has been uniformly negative from the country’s inception. I’m not endorsing that attitude, just putting it on the record.
If you remember, the country took a stand against a professional army from the beginning. When it was forced to create one in the Revolutionary War, it immediately disbanded it as soon as hostilities ceased and cut military spending to the bare bone. The military for most of the 1800s was a tiny fraction of the size of the post office, which was the majority of the government.
Soldiers were ridiculed by the general public, despite what you see in cowboy movies. When Ulysses S. Grant first graduated from West Point, he had a uniform made by a tailor which he proudly wore home, complete with striped pants. The locals made up some similar striped pants with which they dressed a mule which they paraded up and down the main street, humiliating Grant, who remained averse to grandiose uniforms afterwards.
Even during the Civil War, the newspapers disparaged the military and their commanders, predicting disaster and spreading half-baked rumors, much like now. General Sherman said that if he had his way he’d shoot all the reporters at dawn were it not for his expectation that they would be reporting news from hell before breakfast.
News reporting has always been biased and unprofessional and pandered to the anti-military prejudice of Americans. The current anti-military prejudice of the American press has a long history of precedents, I’m sorry to report. However, the fashionable treasonous prejudice of the current cohort of reporters who were raised on a diet of watered-down socialism is a new thing which exacerbates the problem.
However, the good news is that the American public doesn’t trust journalists any more than car salesmen.
Here is the problem with semantics. What do you mean by war. The “War” in Iraq was over after a month or 2. The army was defeated, Saddam and his kids were captured or killed. What has happened since has been a process of nation building. There are still hostilities as part of that nation building has been to rebuild a government, police forces and an army. We could say we have a WAR at our southern border, because we have hostilities. People are being decapitated and law enforcement officials on both sides of the border are getting killed. But you see, semantically that has not entered your definition for war. There were hostilities and police action in Japan and Germany long after the war ended. In fact our troops are still their. But I don’t hear Obama demanding that we send THEM home. You guys live in a myopic world.
We are losing the Vets from WWII very day. If you want to help them, find a assisted living facility near you & make an inquiry if they have any WWII Vets living their. Meet them & thank them for their service to America. Arrange to take them to VFW meetings so they can see old friends. This is a gift that pays you more dividends than you can imagine.
PatriotRider said (#55):
Sort of. Our troops are in Germany and Japan to fight Soviets and Chinese, not Germans and Japanese. WWII actually did end in 1945.
Zheldon said (#56):
The invasion of Japan would have taken months, not years.
Tell me about it. If Bush was “lying” or worse as they say, then he could have easily fabricated evidence in Iraq. But that never happened.
These guys also still say that Bush “stole” the election in 2000 because of the Florida count and recount. Forget that NO COUNT has ever resulted in Gore winning that state. Forget that the highly partisan Florida supreme court did their best in trying to reverse the results in a completely unpresidented judgment. Forget that Gore himself cherry picked 4 counties for a recount, and only when that failed to turn the election did he go to the Florida supreme court to demand that they recount every Florida county.
Forget that we have seen the poorest display of sportsmanship since Burr and Alexander from Gore and the Democratic lackies.
#50 Chris3Cube
the army dispatched a newly formed unit to fight forest fire(pretty sure it was the 555th, normally I wouldn’t have remember that, but the units nickname was the triple nickels, sounds cool, and I could have sworn it was an all black unit).
I heard about that, too. I believe they were black soldiers working at Fort Bragg where airborne soldiers trained. After the white soldiers finished with the equipment, the black soldiers would work with it. Thus, they were as well trained in parachuting as anyone else. When those Japanese balloon bombs were causing havoc, those black soldiers would parachute in to fight the fires, making them the first “Smoke Jumpers.”
lgm, You graduated from a public high school didn’t you?
lgm
The invasion of Japan would have taken months, not years.
So they would not have fought us any harder to protect their native soil than they did in every island we took across the Pacific? Have you ever picked up a history book on the fight in the Pacific during WWII? Moron
It also would have cost an estimated ONE MILLION lives lost in military alone, not to mention the civilian casualties. That was considered a conservative estimate at the time. There was also no guarantee that it would have only taken months. There was a mutiny in the works between the Army and the Government of japan at the time of the capitulation, where the Emperor himself was within mere SECONDS of being assassinated by the General Staff of the Army before he gave his first speech ever over the radio, announcing the surrender to the Allies. Had that assassination taken place, we would have ended up invading the Japanese Mainland, simply because we only had the two bombs that we had dropped. Further nuclear bombs were a long way off, and the FEAR that we had more was what ultimately persuaded not only Japan to surrender, but also kept Stalin from declaring a further war against the Allies once the war in Europe was ending.
Sorry, but there are a great many things that occurred at the end of the War that have been relegated to the back of history, and more myth than fact have taken their place regarding the end of hostilities.
And everything was all sweetness and light immediately in post war Germany and Japan. The citizenry walked hand-in-hand with American troops gathering flowers, and freely elected democratic governments flourished immediately.
/sarc off
Get a clue lgm. Do a little research. What’s going on in post-war Iraq now is pretty much a repeat of what went on in post-war Germany and Japan. Difference is that we didn’t send in someone like McArthur to rule with an iron hand until that democracy was up and running in Iraq the way we did in Japan.
I thank God every day that the “Greatest Generation” made the decisions and sacrafices necessary to win WWII and shape the post-war world.
Craig #1, Agreed. Here’s the link to that prayer. Let LGM suffer. Doubt he’ll even listen or understand what it means to be an American. To have pride for your country. To love the greatest country on earth. LGM is such a damn loser it’s not even funny anymore to see his vile hatred for this “blessed” country.
LGM, move already. Head to Iraq and live with those you love. Bitch.
I also recommend a little research under the name “Werewolves” in connection with post-War Germany. The insurgency and terrorism of Iraq is not something that is unique.
Shhhh…don’t tell the Left though.
Oops, I meant Iran. Bitch.
I think the best characterization we can give such people is “willfully retarded.”
I posted this yesterday on Jack Lucas WW11 MOH at age of 17, Marine hero died Thursday at age of 80. We are so blessed to have such people who have served our country. Thank all military for their service and I ask God to bless each one and your families.
L
Yikes! I’m gone for a little bit and, when I get back, lgm is a military strategist?
lgm said:
So says the all-knowing and infallible lgm.
Tell you what, lets do Iraq old style and carpet bomb the place. Would that do it for you? How about we nuke it and make a glass parking lot? Better yet, the whole middle east? The problem with you lgm and those of your ilk is that you can always find something wrong with my country and the way it conducts business. Because if we did do it old style you would be the first to screech “Oh, the humanity1″ and say how brutal we are. As it is you sit there in your nice comfortable chair and wallow in your defeatist cesspool and say, “Get us out now! We’ve been there too long.” Or, “We were lied to!” Boo-hoo, wah-wah.
Well get up and do something other that hijack threads. Elect you Obamessiah. Join the military. DO something about it. The problem is people like you do nothing but complain and suck off the entitlement tit. So go away.
I disagree that the American people have not sacrificed on the war in Iraq. We have all paid a price for every single one of the men and women who have been killed or injured. Every day as I force myself to watch the news, my heart is broken. Our country is painfully divided and both sides are full of hatred.
I also disagree that Republicans would not stand for supporting our military. I think conservatives would gladly pay a war tax or suffer rationing. IMO, liberals would scream bloody murder, as in don’t expect me to pay for ‘Military Thugs’
It does sadden me.
Meet LGM’S Hero.
lgm you retard.
lgm – how miserable are you?
The Combat Report’s vid is brilliant!
cpodug
sometimes I unfortunately think lgm stands for:
Lacking Gray Matter
most of the time there is not a shred of logic to the inane statements that come from lgm …
A history lesson for lgm and his liberal buddies.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=0h6gehCPvpk
DL – kinda makes you wonder if there’s ANYTHING he’d be willing to put it all on the line for, doesn’t it?
cpodug … yep … and in all truth that attitude in today’s citizenry is sad to see indeed …
I’m late to the party, and therefore have had a chance to cool down after reading lgm’s moronic and insipid assertions regarding the invasion of Japan.
lgm, did you know:
-Japan was actively researching and testing chemical and biological weapons? And that they were using Chinese civilians and AMERICAN POW’s for human testing?
-Japan was working to develop their own nukes?
-that Germany shared their advanced technology with Japan such as the ME262 and ME163 jet and rocket planes?
Imagine the possible scenarios:
-Japanese jet fighers being employed to attack B29s in the air and American ships and forces on the ground.
-Chem and Bio weapons being used against invading American forces and also killing huge numbers of Japanese civilians
-and, God help us, a Japanese suicide mission to America, using one of their new super subs to carry and detonate a nuke in LA or SF.
Auctually, the invasion of Japan may have only taken months, but the carnage inflicted on American troops and Japanese civilians alike by the use of Japans WMDs would have sent the casualties skyrocketing, and I think estimates of 1,000,000 would be just the beginning. This may have forced the USA to withdraw, leaving the Japanese in control of most of Asia, where they were committing atrocities so horrific that the Nazi leaders actually complained.
BTW, lgm, I can produce a DD214. Can you, or do you even know what one is?