Michael Pfleger returns June 16: “He’s a black Jesus stuck in a white man’s body”
Well, it looks like the Catholic Church in Chicago has lost whatever balls it found when it temporarily suspended Pfoaming-at-the-mouth preacher of hate Michael Pfleger for his racially poisoned sermon a few weeks ago. Because he’s baaaack. Again. The Chicago Trib reports that Obama’s longtime friend and earmark recipient will return to St. Sabina on June 16 after being placed on leave to “reflect” on his politicking from the pulpit.
Question: Which Pfleger will come back and reassume his leadership position in the Catholic Church?
The Hillary-mimicking, Vanilla Ice-prancing, Jeremiah Wright-impersonating reverend who has attracted a cult of supporters over two decades?
Or some other Pfleger who was the man Obama knew before he became the man Obama says he didn’t know?
The choir was booming, the dancers were swirling and open seats were scarce in the sweltering pews, but longtime members of St. Sabina Catholic Church thought Sunday’s service was a bit flat in the absence of Rev. Michael Pfleger.
Cardinal Francis George had ordered the fiery activist priest to take two weeks off after Pfleger’s widely broadcast comments mocking Sen. Hillary Clinton and saying, in what he later called a slip of the tongue, that “America is the greatest sin against God.”
Some of his intensely devoted parishioners were worried that his sabbatical would prove permanent. So when a St. Sabina official announced during mass that Pfleger would return June 16, the church exploded in cheers.
“I was just overwhelmed,” Brandy Scott, 27, said later. “I had to cry.”
Hey, how would you like this raving lunatic to officiate your wedding? That would make me cry. Apparently, though, there are couples dying for him to perform their matrimonial services–and countless more followers who can’t wait for more histrionic white-bashing:
The announcement that Pfleger would come back in about a week eased the minds of many parishioners, some of whom were worried that, despite the cardinal’s comments, the priest had finally gone too far.
He was forced to miss a wedding Saturday that he was set to officiate, so another couple with a June 28 wedding date was especially relieved to learn that Pfleger would be back for their big day.
But most simply said they were looking forward to St. Sabina returning to normal under the leadership of the priest who has come to embody the church.
“He’s a black Jesus stuck in a white man’s body,” said Oralee Williams, 48. “He’s the best.”
Your Catholic Church at work.
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Burning the midnight oil a bit, are we?
I must have missed the part of Jesus’ sermons in the Greek Scriptures where he told us that race is a factor. Maybe someone can “enlighten” me … or am I just clinging to the wrong Bible somehow?
Sounds like somebody has been channeling Stevie Ray Vaughn.
Michelle Malkin said:
Like I said a few days ago, all the churches care about is money, and how you are going to help them get some more. This applies to Protestants as well as Catholics versions.
So, according to this guy “Williams”, this priest is now a Jesus. When you have that going on in your parish, it’s time to close down the priest. Obviously, the Catholic religion there has changed, with Pfleger now as the head. Once, it was called blasphemy, but it’s “anything goes” now. I wonder who the people pray to, these days?
Any so called church where there’s a Pfleger, a Wright, a Moss or another of their ilk opening their mouths and spewing the hate and political diatribes in the manner that we have seen should be immediately processed for a loss of their tax exempt status by the IRS … period … they are in violation of the laws governing that favored tax status …
Pleger sounds like a reformed smoker that now goes apesh*t when he smells smoke. A crusader who was once a racist, rapist, and probably Jewish.
I’d say his church, or whatever Catholics call them, should have its tax status yanked. People have a right to worship in their own way, but they don’t have a right for me to help pay for it.
That man needs to be retired AND relocated immediately. I agree with graysonret (#5) that this sounds like blasphemy–”black Jesus in a white man’s body”–and the Church, starting with the bishops and maybe all the way to Rome, needs to take action.
I’ll go one step farther. In fact I’ll leap to the conclusion that any church denomination that is not self policing should lose their tax exempt status. Not the individual church. The word or message should be controlled by the denominations bishops, cardinals, or whatever name the enforcers go by. Not the government.
More letters and emails to the Archdioceses of Chicago and to Rome as well. Pfleger is not a “man of the cloth” and should be defrocked.
et, your solution seems rather extreme. Under your plan, no church would have tax exempt status. All denominations are guilty of this sort of activity from time to time. After all, the churches are made up of imperfect men and women.
Does anyone know which order spawned this self-absorbed racist?
Just want to make sure I got this right. We’re supposed to worship this “new Jesus” instead of the real one?
Worship the created rather than the creator indeed.
This is an absolute disgrace. I may leave the Catholic church over this. If the church doesn’t have the will to remove this malignant tumor of a man then why should I stand with it?
The Left has such a ‘cult of personality’ it is not surprising that they seem to worship and revere humans rather than the Creator. So many organized religions and congregations have lost their way, willfully.
As zorro pointed out we are all imperfect. But those of us who genuinely seek God do not celebrate our imperfections and call good evil and evil, good. This hurts the Catholic Church but hey, they get to run their own show and maybe this is the way they want it…
@graysonret #5;
how do you know that Oralee Williams is a man?
I hope nobody is surprised that he’s back with us.
I’m not.
And I expect that he will be more vitriolic than ever, knowing that none of his superiors has the wherewithal to fire him.
He is a black Jesus? Well, it must be true. The wrong Rev Write said Jesus was a po’ black man.
Come Lord Jesus, come. You have GOT to be sick of this.
This is not the practice of Religion. It is a non-stop minstrel show that perpetuates the race baiting and hate mongering of some very demented and very angry folks that are ENTITLED, not motivated to improve their lives by their own efforts.
Revoke the Tax Exempt Status of this sideshow and it will go away. No more Earmarks or Tax Payers cash to fund this carnival of the absurd and these freaks will find themselves without the means to go on.
another “White Eye” for the church
The photoshopped poster gives him an uncanny resemblance to Algore. Or do I need new glasses?
“He’s a black Jesus stuck in a white man’s body,” said Oralee Williams, 48. “He’s the best.”
Matthew 24:23 (New International Version)
At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it.
Mark 13:21 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)
At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ[a]!’ or, ‘Look, there he is!’ do not believe it.
Need I say more?
Someone forgot to close a bold tag..
Let the games begin!
The more these idiots from Obama’s life are out and about brandishing their ego’s and spewing all this garbage the better off it is for McCain.
He wont be able to control himself and will be back in the news in no time.
“He’s a black
Jesuswannabe stuck in awhite man’s bodyclown costume,” said Oralee Williams, 48. “He’sthe bestcomedy gold.”Obama needs to pick him for VP. Just to balance the ticket.
One chocolate and one vanilla jesus.
I have to agree it is time for the churches to get out of politics or risk losing their non-profit tax exemption status. I also believe it should also happen to every so called non-profit organization that continues to stab America in the back (ACLU, Sierra Club, etc.). Too bad the Catholic Church hasn’t learned a thing from the pedophile priest problem or they would fire this man that preaches anything but the word of God.
chicago:
You bring to mind Patton’s statement that “no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country.”
I’d rather see Pfleger leave the Church than you leave.
If Pfleger’s racist church had it’s tax status revoked, they might not be able to scam the taxpayers out of $300,000 in free money. Oh, nooooo. Gimme, gimme. Hey, gimme some more.
Aparently now a days, you have to molest little boys to get kicked out of the church…Okay- you have to get CAUGHT molesting them…
Other than that- anything goes! I’m surprised they don’t have a stipper pole next to the pulpit, to spice up the word of God.
Well, if he is back in the pulpit, maybe he will say something else racist, hurtful and stupid to hurt Obamasiah… we can only hope.
Wait Wait on the taxes thing. I’m still trying to figure out why corporations pay taxes or any organization. Property taxes yes but otherwise? I’ve ALWAYS had a problem with the logic there. But then again, I’m not a socialist.
As the Catholic Church permits this Freak Show to go on, transfers Pedophile Priests out of the jurisdiction where they can be prosecuted, offers sanctuary to Illegal Aliens, allows Activist Priests to preach Hate, Marxism and Racism and generally fosters the attitude that their Church and Priests are above the Law of the Land, total revocation of Tax Free Status is the only recourse.
If they wants to make these Activist Priests emmisaries of the Vatican City, we may want to deport them to Rome as well. They have had their cake and eaten it too for far too long.
Either the Law applies or Anarchy results. The practice of Politics from the pulpit is not Religion. It needs to be Taxed like the rest of Us.
conservativesRus
For over 30 years I have been promoting a flat 10% tax on everyone and every business … no deductions … no filing … no refunds … no anything … I know it will never happen because it would put the IRS out of business … but I still say it would more than support the goverment needs …
#5, #15:
can’t help myself…an old Allan Sherman ditty (sung to “Aura Lee”) begins:
“if you have to take vaccine, take it Oralee…”
heh.
DesertLover #33 there you go again making perfect sense on a fair flat tax of 10%. If you couple that with fiscal responsibility when passing appropriation bills while trimming the fat of this bloated Government I could actually envision a tax surplus over time with the nation debt eventually paid off. It wouldn’t hurt to take Social Security out of the General Fund and put it back into a Trust Fund either. Oops there I go making sense!
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Test
All in God’s time and in God’s will. Remember, the Christ has already visited as our Saviour. When he returns, it shall be as a Judge. I pray for that day too but only in God’s will. From what I have read, it is certainly going to get worse before it gets better though. However, reading through, I do see many signs and I can justify the Hope that is within me and it does NOT come from B. Hussein Obama.
As for churches getting any tax exempt status … While I have never been an advocate of letting the government illegally redistribute our money , the Bible clearly states that we should render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s and render unto God that which is God’s. I do not recall anywhere reading that there should be an exception for the church.
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Trying to unbolden things…
DesertLover:
I agree completely on a flat tax – my issue is with corporations being taxed. That’s double taxation. First the company pays taxes on earnings and then all the “owners” (shareholders or owners) pay tax again as their person income.
But if the flat tax included EVERYBODY as you suggest, it’d be so far ahead of where we are now, I’d go along.
The other group it would “put out of business” is congress. How on earth would they show their favoritism to certain groups? They might actually have to do what they are supposed to do (ie – those functions specifically set forth in the constitution).
Sorry all to get off the topic here discussing taxes.
Now back on topic with the false Jesus. This should not surprise any of us – Satan tries to run around as an angel of light all the time and he will do anything to get people to take their eyes of off the one true Savior.
This is exactly what Ann Coulter is talking about in her book Godless, the liberals find their messiah in the world his name is Obama and we can all see how they worship and bow down to him. Paaaaathetic.
#36
You failed, study harder next time
I am not religious in any way. The behavior of these so called spiritual leaders in churches, mosques, temples, or what have you, is the primary reason why.
The Catholic Church can go pound sand!
Catholic leadership are just a bunch of gutless wonders who are unable to see the common sense difference between right and wrong in many areas of thought, philosophy, and behavior. I feel that the Catholic Church is just as left leaning as the Church Of England, when it comes right down to it.
In the past twenty years, the Catholic Church has pretty much just done all it can to undermine the United States. So, these priests and nuns, who support divisive theologies and politics, are common everywhere, and they bank on the conservative church leadership of long ago to give them credibility. I will not be surprised if the Pope doesn’t come out in favor of sharia, sometime soon.
“…Question: Which Pfleger will come back and reassume his leadership position in the Catholic Church?…”
Answer: Who cares?
Again, this is cute and all, but who doesn’t know about this idiot already. The point SHOULD be about how Obama truly is a racist, but apparently no one has the “balls” to come out and call him on it. Rather, the obvious is tap danced around. Again.
The more he is out there, the more damage he can do for Obamas campaign.
Boomer and conservativesRus
Thanks for looking at the proposal in its totality … you are correct that it would have to be combined with fiscal responsibility, balanced budgets that spend no more than they take in (just like every family budget in the country), no pork, etc. … and I am really serious that I think 10% would more than suffice when you get rid of all the loopholes and limits on things … how many making big money hire tax lawyers to reduce their taxable income by 20-30% … in my plan that is all included in the taxable amount …
Oh well … my 30 year dream …
I’ll bet Pfleger has learned his lesson now. He wont be messing with the Cardinal any time soon (sarcasm).
Reading the bible with “kill whitey” rap in the background.
Literally makes me gag. Plus the Catholic Church had an opportunity to really send a message and foolishly chose to do otherwise. Disgusting.
Die Hippie Die:
I completely agree I’d rather see Pfleger be stricken from the ranks than to have to leave. However, the Catholic church clearly no longer has the moral clarity to recognize evil if it gives a free pass to hate mongers like Pfleger. I cannot sit idly by while the Church I’m affiliated with endorses such a man. I see a long road of submission and stupidity by the Catholic church ahead until it’s as watered down and secular as the Anglican church. Sad as that is to say, I know when to abandon a sinking ship.
And I’m sure good old Patton would surely be as frustrated as me that this can’t all be resolved with a few tanks. The only thing the church will notice is a drop in tithings at this point.
A Pflagrant priest and a Bishop with no backbone to do the right thing and hold him accountable. Imagine that.
That’s the type of writing I fell in love with right there.
I guess the Catholic Church is again positioning themselves to the illegals as well as minorities, because with their increased birth rate over the temporary majority, as a business with regards to the future they have to see dollar signs continue. Pandering 2.0.
I stopped going to Church – other than Easter and Christmas – about 20 years ago as I realized that the American Catholic Church is more in the business of promulgating Marxism than anything. (The pastor used to yammer endlessly about the need for the nuclear freeze.)
The Church can’t understand that when Jesus said to feed the hungry and clothe the naked, he didn’t mean, “Elect politicians who will confiscate the fruits of one man’s labors to give to another in the hope of securing eternal power for themselves.” boggles the mind. Then again, they routinely support extreme pro-abortion candidates who are militantly opposed to the Church’s pro-life doctrines because they also speak the shibboleths of wanting to feed and clothe those in need. Idiots.
25 years ago, the Catholic Church helped to liberate Poland from Soviet control. Today, the American Catholic Church is unwilling to remove an embarrassing fellow traveler to a radical racist Marxist from the pulpit. It appears that they are in the same slow suicide mode that the Stupid Party is operating in. Pathetic.
Do not tar all Catholics with such a broad brush.
Compare that moron Cardinal in Chicago with the actions of truly orthodox and religiously conservative bishops and Archbishops elsewhere. Having trouble finding the good ones? That’s because the press ignores conservatives and only publicizes and supports idiots like this guy and Mahoney in LA.
For instance, see the Bishops of Colorado and Kansas (6 of them signatory to the document):
Voting is a moral act. It involves duties and responsibilities. Our duty is to vote in keeping with a conscience properly formed by fundamental moral principles. As Bishops we are not telling Catholics which candidates they should vote for. Rather, we simply want to teach how we should form our consciences and consider the issues in light of these fundamental moral principles.
Concerning choices that are intrinsically evil, Catholics may not promote or even remain indifferent to them. A correct conscience recognizes that there are some choices that always involve doing evil and which can never be done even as a means to a good end. These choices include elective abortion, euthanasia, physician-assisted suicide, the destruction of embryonic human beings in stem cell research, human cloning, and same-sex “marriage.” Such acts are judged to be intrinsically evil, that is, evil in and of themselves, regardless of our motives or the circumstances. They constitute an attack against innocent human life, as well as marriage and family.
Because we have a moral obligation to vote, deciding not to vote at all is not ordinarily an acceptable solution to this dilemma. So, when there is no choice of a candidate that avoids supporting intrinsically evil actions, especially elective abortion, we should vote in such a way as to allow the least harm to innocent human life and dignity. We would not be acting immorally therefore if we were to vote for a candidate who is not totally acceptable in order to defeat one who poses an even greater threat to human life and dignity.
Still want to spread your bashing and hatred to these guys – who provide a very clear moral calculus for NOT voting for Obama? Or bash the missionaries overseas? Or bash the religious (Nuns) who teach in schools for the poor world wide?
Hmm? Seems your bigoted bashing doesn’t fit all of us, or even many of us Catholics for that matter.
This Chicago Cardinal and his priest and congregation are not representative of the vast majority of US Catholics any more than Hagee and his gay trysts are representative of US Protestants.
In a normal diocese such a priest would have been moved long ago, so that a “cult” relationship like that does NOT build up and impede the people in the parish.
Plus the vast majority of Catholics have NO control over what goes on in other diocese, so STOP SLAMMING US by pointing to them. Its wrong, and its bigoted, and just plain damned stupid of you to do so, especially when you bashers demonstrate such large swaths of ignorance and bias.
So stop with the Catholic Bashing. You guys are becoming more and more bigoted here as time goes on – you’re beginning to resemble the left – or a Klan rally.
So STOP with the broad brush – place the blame where it deserves to be: NOT on the Church as a whole, nor on us faithful Catholics, but on Fr “Black Jesus” and the idiot Cardinal who refuses to follow church procedures and move him to a different parish the way any normal Bishop would have done decades ago.
Go after the people responsible, not the entire Catholic Church. Thats what we conservatives are doing inside the Church.
As Paul’s letter to the Galatians puts it,
ANY racism in Christianity is stupid and unchristian.
And FYI, Bishop Sheridan of Colorado Springs has instructed that politicians who actively support Abortion must NOT be given communion. This is in addition to a zero tolerance on sexual predators of any sort (you have to go through training and an criminal background check before you are allowed to take a job or volunteer to work with youth or children).
The problem is with the old lefty-hippie holdovers in LA, Chicago, and other liberal places like that. Eventually they will finally die off and we can replace them with the likes of Bishop Sheridan, or Archbishop Chaput.
Get rid of non-profit organizations like this. Start taxing these bastards who use religion for political purposes
Ditto.
This whole incident is just further justification for those of us who dont ever attend church or believe…to continue being that way.
This man is a disgrace and a cancer in the community. He should be removed.
Ditto again.
Ordinary Coloradan, thank you.
Pfleger does not speak for me, or anyone in my parish – a parish concerned with good works, salvation of souls and not political demagoguery.
Pfleger and his parish are committing a grave sin – both by engaging in over racism and hatred and by supporting a candidate who openly supports what can only be described as infanticide.
It really ticks me off that the same people who’d pop a vein in their heads if Obama criticized a company’s “excessive profits” have no problem turning that claim around when it comes to the Catholic Church.
And the fact that all of you should know better by now, that when it comes to issues of religion, the media is only going to run good reports on churches that toe the politically correct liberal line. Conservative churches either receive no coverage or negative coverage.
Only when conservative churches do something – say speak out against abortion, or remind the congregation to vote in accordance with their beliefs or refuse to perform a same-sex commitment cermony on their property – then they come under fire and are threatened with a loss of tax exempt status.
Pfleger and his church – they love them. That’s how they want Catholicism to be, but that’s not how it really is.
Ditto three times.
Pfleger needs to go. The Church needs to take some action here and get rid of him.
First the Church hierarchy ignored the sex abuse, now this.
What has happened to moral leadership in our church?
I raise you two Ditto’s and one I agree.
It’s been usurped by liberal bishops and laity who are trying like hell to re-make the Catholic Church in their image – complete with womenpriests, married clergy, and a total disregard for issues concerning the most central Church teachings (i.e. abortion, contraception, marriage, etc.).
Please do not tar all of us who practice the Catholic faith with the likes of this clown. Every religion has their freaks like this idiot.
I expect it to be REAL AWKWARD when wright, pfelger and like minded congregants stand before God and explain themselves at the Judgement…
This guy has been a clown, a priest who adopts kids, which I think is against doctrine, because I thought in being a priest, you’re supposed to give your all to Christ, and this:
Pfleger and the protective treatment of him by his church demonstrate why chruches should lose their tax-exempt status. Or at least they should be exempted only for truly charitable and non-political expenditures that can be documented. The rest of us have to prove our charitable expenditures to the IRS, so why not the churches??
new obama movie
A statesman with b_ _ _ s—sadly–not from here:
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2008/06/danish-constitution-day-2008.html#readfurther
Ordinary Coloradan, when the Pope comes to my country and tells me that I have to open my boarders to anyone who wants to come in, just so his church can have more members, I’m not convinced that Catholic leadership is all that enlightened.
Also, I’m not a hateful bigot for not liking what the Catholic church is doing to undermine my country.
I am rather disappointed that so many on this thread used the issue to attack Churches in general rather than challenging Pfleger and the Archdiocese of Chicago. Oh well, I guess that is who you are.
But as to the issue, Rev Francis George and the leadership of the Chicago Archdiocese is afraid of Pfleger and/or his supporters. For the Archdiocese to back down this fast something is going on we do not know about. They have a skeleton in their closet somewhere that they know Pfleger and/or his supporters knows. What ever that something is I know this: If they hadn’t done it Pfleger would not have them by the short hairs.
But then this is Chicago.
radio relay #42 said:
This is pretty far-fetched. I’ve been a Catholic for 30 years, and have never heard anything political coming out of any priests’ mouth until I heard Father Pfleger on the internet. This particular church does not deserve its tax-exempt status, but the other 99.9999% of Catholic churches have strictly tradtional masses, and obey the law.
I do, however, wish the Catholic church would be swift and vocal in their condemnation of their scandals. For this reason I have been seriously considering leaving the church.
radio relay, attend a mass at any other Catholic church and you will understand how non-”liberal” Catholics are.
Hey! When did they start stocking barf bags next to the hymnals there on the back of the pews? Must of been while Father Mike was on vacation.
I don’t understand the confusion or outrage here. We knew he was only going to be suspended for weeks:
“In the statement, Cardinal Francis George says he asked the Rev. Michael Pfleger, 59, to “take leave for a couple of weeks from his pastoral duties.’”
Link
“To put recent events in some perspective, I have asked Father Michael Pfleger, Pastor of St. Sabina’s Parish, to step back from his obligations there and take leave for a couple of weeks from his pastoral duties, effective today.”
Here come the Know Nothing Kleagle Knights again to save America from the evil Papists! Just remember boys and girls for every Pere Pflegel there are scores of freelancers, bleeding heart evangelicals, “mainline” Protestant clergy, hyperliberal Reform and Reconstructionist rabbis, and other assorted crackpots who do far more to advance the Church of Liberalism. So there.
I totally agree Pflegel needs to be defrocked if not forced to spend the rest of his days making booze at some monastery or other. At the very least, he ought to be put on Bingo Night duty where he can at least put his entertainment skills to work.
Aside from this man’s racist rantings, what’s troubling is this man’s Cult of Personality, something that is totally against Catholic tradition. Parishes have popular priests but characters like Pflegel are very, very rare. I suspect the Archdiocese of Chicago is worried if it removes Pflegel, it will have a revolt at St. Sabina’s. I remember a similarly popular black priest with a mostly black parish in Washington, D.C. either voluntarily left the Church or was booted out. I can’t remember. But when he left, the entire parish went with him, operating as an independent church. I guess the Archdiocese wants to avoid that from happening. But I say, fine, don’t let the door hit ‘em on the way out. If these people want to hoot and holler from the pews, just head on over to Chez Wright’s and don’t even bother pretending they’re Roman Catholic anymore.
radio relay:
You’re remarkably ignorant about the Pope and the Catholic Chuch, though you are certainly not the only one here who is.
First off, during his visit here in April, the Pope said that we must treat immigrants humanely. Nothing wrong with that. Then he said that immigrants MUST RESPECT THE LAWS OF THEIR HOST COUNTRY. Did you somehow miss hearing that? If you go to Catholic websites to discover his position rather than rely on the biased MSM, you would be enlightened.
I understand the frustration of those who think that the cardinal is moving too slowly on this matter. I guess if you knew something of Church history, you would know at least one thing: the Church moves SLOWLY on these issues. She always has. And believe it or not, the Church has her own “due process”, replete with Canon Law, and Canon Lawyers.
I’m uncertain as to what this cardinal is going to do about Pfleger. Catholics (and others as well) should continue to write and exert pressure on the cardinal – written and financial. I have already told our liberal pastor in my parish that he won’t see a cent from me for the Annual Appeal. I’m fed up with the liberalism that pervades the Roman Catholic Church in America too. But as Ordinary Coloradan ably demonstrated, there are plenty of good clergy men and women in the Church who silently do their works without any praise or recognition. It would better serve many if people like radio relay would expend a little more energy in gaining more knowledge before spouting his ignorance and prejudice.
Organized religion is a racket…not sure why any of this is so surprising. It’s all about the cash.
I bought my first Bible (Jerusalem Bible) in an Episcopalian church in the ‘60s, when I was a teen. I did not realize it then, but the Jerusalem Bible is a Catholic Bible.
No need to pick on Catholics or Protestants with regard to Obama’s choice of “spiritual advisors.” Rev. Wright (Protestant) and Rev. Pfleger (Catholic) are the type some churches collect so as to “have their ears tickled.” They are being fed by “their own desires.” 2 Timothy 4: 3-4.
They want it, they got it. As the article posted by Michelle points out, it’s time to get on with the show:
Speak for yourself, dakine. We know what you’re all about.
Let me run that back a second – I missed it the first time…
DANCERS????
What in the world is going on there? The mass has NO CALL in the liturgy for DANCERS.
These people are definitively NOT Catholic anymore – they most certainly are not following the General Instructions for the Roman Mass (GIRM) that governs the norms and proper conduct of the Holy Mass.
This Cardinal and his allowance of such heterodoxy is astounding! He must be removed/retired (the Cardinal) and that priest Pfleger (I cwill not honor him with the Fr title since he has DISPOSED of it himself) needs to be moved OUT. He has led the flock astray, to a false god, the god of Liberalism and “feel good” theology.
This new “god” (not the true God) that Pleger worships and brings his congregation to simply blesses whatever are they desire, have for passions, and whatever their appetites crave. This god of the liberals wants us to be happy and avoid such things as sacrifice; penance and self-discipline are non-values. This is the god of the “group hug”, “we are the church”, and if you complain – “Don’t be judgmental” This “god” is a god of love, but not the burning self-sacrificing love we see on the cross, but a phony and sick imitation, a daytime TV talk show morality.
Matthew 7:15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravening wolves.”
2 Peter 2:1 “even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction.”
Jeremiah 23, 1-2: Woe to the shepherds who mislead and scatter the flock of my pasture, says the LORD. Therefore, thus says the LORD, the God of Israel, against the shepherds who shepherd my people: You have scattered my sheep and driven them away. You have not cared for them, but I will take care to punish your evil deeds.
No less a Saint than St. John Chrysostom said, “The floor of hell is paved with the skulls of bishops!”
And Cardinals as well.
I am amazed at such an un-Godly mess that this Cardinal has brought about due to his liberal unwillingness to apply the STANDARDS the Church calls for in the Catechism and GIRM, and his being caught up in worldliness instead of tending to God’s business.
He should be removed or retired so he can be replaced by a proper orthodox Roman Catholic Bishop.
I had no idea they’d gone completely out of the rules of the Catholic Church like those idiots under Mahoney in Los Angeles.
Simply amazin (in a sad way).
Thats not what the Pope said at all. He said act human towards them.
No, but you may be a hateful bigot for misrepresenting what the CC stands for and then going after it on false pretense.
You sir, can do the same!
The Pope has stood up to islam more than anyone! The islamist themselves say he is leading a crusade against them.
I believe you have pretty much summed yourself up as anti Catholic.
You don’t know what you are talking about, but we were warned about you mockers several thousands of years ago.
There certainly are Wolves in the Church, we were warned about them also.
Enjoy eternity.
Religious org’s (in the USA) provided 8.8 BILLION in international charioty. More than the next 30 countries combined btw.
It’s about a lot more than money but one that looks upon hisself as so high and mighty will never be able to see that.
Talk about heresy! She’s referring to Pfleger as a black Jesus….
I think that violates a commandment.
I’ll have to defend myself for a bit and be unpopular for a minute, but so be it. I dont say things here out of malice, but just sticking to the facts.
I agree with dakine, in so much that i dont think its about tending to the flocks anymore, by and large. Sambo puts the next point up…
There are those of us who dont believe, and think that churches are, again by and large, about things other than their ministries. 8 billion is alot of money, no 2 cents about it. With someone like myself, that doesnt have an axe to grind over this, I can’t help but think that there’s something more going on here and that its not about just spreading the good word.
To direct this towards people like Rev. Wright, who lives in a million dollar home, and has all kinds of expensive items…it does at least call those things into question.
*sits back and waits for the attacks in 3….2….1…*
Its called doing good deeds. Helping the needy. It’s also worth mentioning that non religious orgs gave a lot also (but can’nt remember the number). Combined, they gave more the the US gov.
abstractmind:
I have the same issues with Wright and his hypocrisy.
However, to question those in the Catholic Church, like Mother Teresa (and there are MANY like her who are not acknowledged), who has spent her entire life serving the poor and needy, and who live a spartan, impoverished life herself, is unfair.
Catholic charities are well known for their total disclosure, efficiency, and effectiveness when it comes to the money and aid they have given all over the world. Can you name an incident when there was misappropriation regarding them?
And thats fine, sambo. I’m not saying they don’t. I’m just pointing out that people like Wright aren’t exactly living in the poor house. If he took the millions he’s getting and gave it back to the community, imagine the impact it could have.
Christ was not a rich man. He was a simple carpenter. He lived within his means at the time, and was neither haughty nor rich. If churches like Wrights would do more “take up thy cross and follow me” actions, instead of “take up thy cross, and ebay it to the highest bidder”…we’d be a better society as a result.
Not pointing to them specifically. Notice i used Wright and his ilk as the example. Questioning Mother Theresa (didnt she question the existance of god as well…if so, i’m in good company) is off base. Her life is an example of virtue, humility, and a generous nature sorely lacking in many of us.
Rev. Hagee endorsed McCain after saying derrogatory things about Catholics, so Liberals are saying McCain is unelectable as a result. McCain was never a member of Hagee’s church.
Rev. Wright said derrogatory things about AMERICA, and Obama sat and listened to his hate-filled, racist rants for 20 years, had his daughters baptized by Wright and got married by Wright. Obama said he could no more disown Wright than he could the black community.
When a Liberal is asked about how they could possibly excuse Obama for his close 20-year connection to Wright, they trot out an anti-Catholic reverend who merely endorsed McCain, and whose church McCain never attended.
Anyone with half a brain can see which one is truly indefensible, but Liberals insist on merely sweeping Obama’s Wright connection under the rug.
How can they get away with being allowed to do that and expect to have any integrity left whatsoever?
The fact is, they don’t care if they are exposed as the hypocrites they truly are. The media will help them cover it up.
Catholics have rules and regulations in place for this. Priest do not end up in a 1.5 million dollar mansion with a 10 million dollar credit line attached. They do however, have a pension. George went against the rules and that has created this problem. Mike, like Wright, is on a power trip.
Sure, I’m “remarkable ignorant”…
To quote from Benedict’s speech to the Bishops, in D.C., on April 16:
“Brother Bishops, I want to encourage you and your communities to continue to welcome the immigrants who join your ranks today, to share their joys and hopes, to support them in their sorrows and trials, and to help them flourish in their new home.” I.E. he supports using the church as a sanctuary for illegals!!
You tell me the leader of the Catholic church isn’t meddling in US domestic issues concerning illegal immigration? For no other reason than that the majority of illegal immigrants are Catholic! Why doesn’t he just invite them to the Vatican, if he’s so damned concerned for their welfare?!?!?
again, we’re in agreement. its the people like those tools i have the problem with.
But you have to admit, it only takes one bad apple to make the rest look spoiled. Take for instance the child molesting issue the CC had to deal with. granted, alot of problems with it…but would it have mattered the number? Obviously not all CC priests are child predators…but look at the common jokes you hear about it.
I happen to know alot of people who are catholic, and are decent and hard working people. But when someone in a high profile position does something dumb, like Mike or Wright, the problems they cause all roll downhill.
immigrants are here legally. While illegal aliens are not.
There are over a billion Catholics so there are many more than one bad apple. The child molesting issue is personally embarrassing as well as the handling of that issue. But the fact is that this occurs in our schools more in one year than happened in 5 decades in the CC. This issue should also reinforce the churches stand against gay priest since the large majority (82 %) were of this nature. Of course we won’t here the MSM on these facts.