Democrat Congressman: Obama’s too liberal to endorse (but I’ll vote for him); Update: Guess who Tancredo’s voting for?
Dan Boren from Oklahoma’s second district–”Little Dixie”–seems more than a bit agnostic about the Obamessiah, whom he dubs the “most liberal Senator“.
Get that? Most liberal. More liberal than John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, or Barbara Boxer. The. Most. Liberal.
I don’t really get the “too liberal to endorse, but not too liberal to vote for” distinction, but there you go. He’s a superdelegate, so he’ll vote for Obama at the convention, too.
Why wouldn’t he endorse Obama? Probably because he’s running for re-election in gun-totin’ Reagan Democrat central. He’s also been to Iraq since Obama has.
P.S. Dan Boren is David Boren’s son, so there goes this crazy VP idea I had.
UPDATE: Via Hot Air Headlines, a very unhappy Tanc’s made his mind up, too. I’ll let you click through to see who it is, but I’ll drop this line out there just to get a rise out of The Other McCain:
Tancredo told the News he couldn’t vote for Libertarian presidential candidate Bob Barr, who has similar views as he does on immigration, because Barr has “a blind spot on radical Islam.”
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Prevarication: It’s what’s for breakfast – in the Boren house.
Yeah but he sends shivers up my leg.
sarc\
-don’t really get the “too liberal to endorse, but not too liberal to vote for” see-dubya
The lesser of two evils mentality must be contagious!
Tancredo endorsing McCain….is this what we call EINO -Endorsement In Name Only?
“Too liberal to endorse, but not too liberal to vote for” sounds a little like saying, “That chick is too ugly to hit on but after 6 beers she’ll look like Betty Paige; dunno sorta parallel to that frat boy attitude.
“radical” is an unecessary adjective before the term islam…it is what it is and has always been since the 7th century.
Tancredo isn’t endorsing McCain, he’s voting for him.
Can’t get too far over on this guy for his position on Obama. I can’t endorse McCain, but I’ll sure as heck be voting for him. Anything, yes ANYTHING, to keep the “Obamessiah” out of the White House.
Unless, of course, posters on this blog can help me in a new direction. I’m at your feet, a ready pupil.
I can’t endorse or vote for either one of the anointed ones this election cycle. It will be a write in for “none of the above” unless a miracle happens and we are given a better choice or a real conservative.
I agree. McCain’s positives (the fact that he will continue to fight Al Qaeda and stay in Iraq) FAR outweigh his negatives. His worst negative is that he wants amnesty.
To those like Boomer above: Hello?! Barack Hussein Mohammed Obama wants amnesty PLUS everything on the socialist agenda. Hamas and Hugo Chavez have endorsed him. We don’t even know if Barack Hussein Mohammed Obama is an American citizen. He most likely is Muslim.
Every real conservative (as opposed to those liberals pretending to be “conservatives”) will be voting for McCain. Obama is far too dangerous for our country to squander our vote.
I can’t. I won’t. I am prepared to be waterboarded rather than submit one more time to choosing the lesser of the two evils.
Interesting that Tancredo, who ran a single-issue campaign, doesn’t think that issue is important enough to decide his vote, instead deciding to vote for someone who has a lousy record on the issue. I guess “bomb Mecca” rates higher than “America is full.”
Too bad…but predictable…ok Tancredo is VINO-Voting In Name Only
So he won’t vote for Barr because he’s indifferent to rad/mad Islam, but he will vote for McCain even though McCain is open-borders. I am sure McCain will overflow with gratitude.
So what happens when the Islamites start pouring across the borders (let’s not forget Canada which has a lot of them)? I pose the question only for academic interest. Obama is going to win. We better get used to it and ready for it.
Bob Barr is against a border fence, so I don’t know why Tancredo thinks he has that much in common with him.
OT, but on C-SPAN, the House is reading Kucinich’s 35 articles of impeachment against George Bush. The Pat Tillman thing is the article they’re reading now.
Please tell me you’re joking with this idiocy. Can’t you find enough reasons not to vote for Obama without suggesting that he might be a Muslim?
Amen, Brother Tom. Spoken like a grown man.
It looks like the Obama campaign seminar posters are on here in force with juliesa, beenthere, love2rumba, and Mark Jaquish posting in succession.
It is always the same: Have liberal Democrats POSE as conservatives saying that Barack Hussein Mohammed Obama will win, i.e. “Obama is going to win. We better get used to it and ready for it.” Then try to convince REAL conservatives not to turn out in November.
By the way I teach in a Catholic school with a bunch of conservatives and I don’t know anyone that will NOT be voting against Barack Hussein Mohammed Obama (this is his name until he proves it isn’t by releasing his birth certificate).
It is common sense, and Tancredo shows he has it.
Yes, McCain is for amnesty. BUT. . .BHMO is for amnesty AND not enforcing the border. Plus, BHMO is the MOST liberal person ever running for president in the Democratic party.
What sane person would not vote against him? By the way Michelle Malkin has never ONCE stated that she will not be voting for McCain.
It’s a darn shame Tancredo had to drop out of the race. Reading statements like this reaffirm why he was my first choice for President.
What do you mean? Give up our freedoms now, shave our heads and book a reservation for the re-education camps today to avoid the ‘09 rush?
All men are timid on entering any fight. Whether it is the first or the last fight, all of us are timid. Cowards are those who let their timidity get the better of their manhood.
- General George Patton Jr.
Thank you for your service, Gabe. Good to see that somewhere kids are receiving a quality education.
@ Gabe:
? Mistaken identity? I’ve been vilified on this blog for standing up for McCain, and if I had to bet on it, I think he will win.
I posted that thing about the impeachment articles because it’s so frickin’ funny. They want to impeach Bush over Pat Tillman. They’re insane. Get it?
Maybe from here forward, those who invoke “the lesser of two evils” should understand that the moral imperative is to choose the lesser evil to avoid the greater evil. Duh.
Gabe, seriously, take it back, dude. Don’t ever call me an Obama supporter. Do a site search here and at hotair for my comments. You have really offended me, although probably unintentionally.
Mark Jaquith, Tom Tancredo has his head on straight. He knows fighting radical Islam is as important if not more so than combating illegal immigration. He also knows Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton would cause more problems for Americans that just the open borders if elected. He also knows Bob Barr is not a good alternative because of his stances on battling radical Islam, which are just as bad as Obama’s and Clinton’s.
Bottom line, Tancredo knows what he has to do in this election and that is what he will do.
Sorry I lumped you in with the others by accident.
I also think that McCain will win. He is going to win Virginia, West Virginia, Florida, and Ohio. Plus, I have a feeling the BHMO is going to self-destruct soon (which Hillary I bet knows as well and is ready to replace him).
The director of religious education at my Catholic school I teach at who gets it(very anti-Muslim and Obama) was telling me today there are rumors that Michelle Obama has a taped speech from their church that vilifies America. Can’t wait for that to come out! Also, we don’t even know that BHMO is an American citizen.
If the New York Times thinks that being born in the Panama Canal Zone (American territory at that time) might disqualify someone from running for president (a crazy assumption), you would think they would be all over this birth certificate thing in Hawaii. This is a MAJOR issue here. We don’t even know if BHMO is an American citizen.
I’ll be surprised if he gets the nomination and doesn’t self-destruct between now and August.
Boren’s not making any since. Why doesn’t he just grow a sac and vote for McCain?
It’s such a shame though. Obama was SO going to win Oklahoma, but now without Mr. Boren’s influential endorsement, the Sooner state is sure to slip away to McCain. Tis, tis, what a pity.
I sure hope he doesn’t lose any support in Utah, because that’s the next surefire winner I had my eye on.
Thanks for the apology. Sorry i got hot under the collar about it.
Gabe, I’m a Republican writing in Newt Gingrich. My morals guide me in this direction. My values guide me in this direction.
Well good zorro , it would be better and more fruitful to waterboard RINOs. I will vote McNasty and hate him all the more for it. Do what you have to do, we are in this fight for the long haul. Hey, if he loses maybe we can waterboard McNasty!
But make sure you hang around. Both of these Big Government Senators are capable of some real nasty actions that just may require reactions.
If you don’t want the lesser of two evils, then why would you go along with the greater of two evils?
All the people voting for Obama will outnumber the people who don’t want Obama, and do nothing.
I don’t understand why I seem to be one of just about 3 or 4 other people on this site that seem to understand this basic concept.
Who was the lesser of two evils in 2004? Bush, right. Kerry would have been worse. If you don’t want to vote for the lesser of two evils, then who is the magical third choice that would have been a realistic possibility? A third candidate? That’s not what is ever going to fly in our current political process. The democrat primary voters picked Kerry, and the republican primary voters picked Bush for reelection.
And again, in 2008, the political primary process has brought out Obama, and McCain. The party did not vote for them, each and every democrat and republican voter who voted for Obama and McCain brought us Obama and McCain.
If you are frustrated, because your candidate lost to McCain, and don’t want to vote for McCain, then when you and much more people like you are outnumbered by the people who vote for Obama, then Obama will be the next president. I personally don’t want to see Obama given the whitehouse along with a powerful democrat controlled senate and congress.
How do you square your feelings with the realization of the results of your (and many like you) actions?
I have never heard a real, solid, rational explanation other than “lesser of two evils? anyone?? anyone????” and I would really like to understand why you and others want to do this to America.
Geez … another lame answer from down on the farm … I can just hear Old McDonald yelling …
E-I-E-I-O ….
Endorsement Isn’t Everything In Oklahoma …
Mark Jaquith,
Yes, there are countless reasons not to vote for Obama AND I suggest that he might be a Muslim. I don’t quite understand your point. There is a lot of evidence to back up the fact that Barack Hussein Mohammed Obama could very well be a Muslim. We just don’t know, so it is best to err on the side of prudence. We do know that BHMO holds all the socialist opinions you would expect a Hugo Chavez to hold from his anti-Americanism to his communist, liberation theology church he attends.
Why won’t he release his birth certificate? Is he an American citizen or not? Most important question: Is he CULTURALLY American? I say no. Therefore, he should not be running our country. A socialist foreigner would destroy our nation and its values.
Gabe – So please clarify. “liberal Democrats POSE as conservatives” Your claim is that anyone who claims to be conservative but is deciding not to vote for McCain is a liberal Democrat POSING as a conservative?
“I’ll vote for him but I won’t endorse him”
“I voted for the troop funding before I voted against it”
“I smoked pot but I didn’t inhale”
Demspeak
Obama is not a Muslim, Gabe.
No, that’s not what he’s saying. He’s saying that there are democrats who go to message boards, posing as conservatives.
Wise Man – Is Gabe not capable of answering on his own?
Well, you are certainly capable of misunderstanding a very simple concept. Over and over and over again.
Clarification: There are rumors going around that Michelle Obama was taped giving an anti-American tirade at Reverand Wright’s church a few years ago. I wonder when it comes out if that will seal the end of the quest for Barack Obama’s presidency.
The problem with that is in a battleground state like I live in (Virginia) that’s wasting a vote that would counter Obama. At this point, with what we know about Obama, we need to get as many votes against him as possible. There is no way he and his wife should be running this country.
Think of it this way: We should be voting AGAINST Obama, not for McCain. In a two party system, the only way you can do that is to vote for McCain. If McCain wins and runs the country like a liberal, then we have the 2012 primary.
Gabe, your point is well taken. I’m in California, so It’s a done deal anyway. If I was back in Illinois, maybe a different approach.
If Obama wins prepare for dirty bombs in major cities at a minimum. I’ve already been hit once. I don’t want to get hit again. Obama can’t think his way out of a paper bag. He’s a puppet. If he’s not reading a prepared speech, he’s an idiot.
I didn’t know the Presidency was an affirmative action job. Good God!
Bush was the lesser of two evils, now McCain is. We have to move forward and tell the RNC that if they want our money, they have to push the conservative agenda.
I’m be looking to get out of the NYC metro area if The Boy Blunder gets elected.
I agree with Wise Man, and that is exactly what I am saying: There are many Obama seminar posters going to conservative sites posing as conservatives disenchanted with McCain. They always seem to pop up whenever there is a post on Michelle Malkin that is negative towards Obama. . . such as the birth certificate question.
They then will say something ridiculous, like the birth certificate question is irrelevant. NO conservative would think that. It is an easy way to tell who the liberals are that are posing as conservatives who will not vote for McCain.
So prove it, Joy. Where is BHMO’s birth certificate? Also, please counter these questions raised in this Israeli Insider article.
John I think NJ is in play. I have to vote McCain. I know the “experts” have it as blue state, but I think it could swing.
Dan Boren is my Congressman, the only Democrat of our state’s five. And while ‘all politics is local’, I really have to admit that Boren has taken a more conservative stance, and followed his constituancy on votes more than I expected for him to do.
His pronouncement of Zerobama being too Liberal is not out of line for Dan. (and good for him!)
I’m doing my part with my little bloggie to change the Liberal mindset around here, believe me, but we’re talking deep roots, and fierce loyalties to a party which has flipped us off for decades.
JT, Did you see my letter to Tom COle on the other thread? I sent it out today. NRCC is hurting for money over McAmnesty.
Wake me in 2010, I’ll get behind a true Republican then. McAMnesty is a traitor to our sovereignty. It kills me to see an honest to G*d war hero sell his country out to La Raza. All because it’s “His Turn” to be President.
Gabe,
If we can’t see his birth certificate then he is not a legitimate candidate. Something is rotten in the state of the messiah.
I know he doesn’t give two craps about Israel and has actually attended Palestinian fund raisers in the Chicago area.
He’s at a minimum a radical Muslim sympathizer.
Gabe – *I* did not make the comment “Obama is not a Muslim, Gabe.”
I absolutely agree with that statement.
I think Democrats have big time miscalculated. They played this game here in Virginia and in other states in trying to counter Republicans by running CONSERVATIVE Democrats for office in 2006. For example, our Democrat governor and senator (Webb) ran as conservatives or moderate conservatives.
This strategy worked temporarily in that the MSM could pretend that because Democrats won then it was because these places had suddenly turned liberal.
It is not the case. Obama is an unabashed socialist. Therefore, he has already lost key battleground states such as Virginia, West Virginia, Florida, and Ohio. Hillary is right on that one. Just because our states elected Democrats running as conservatives doesn’t mean that these same people who elected them will vote for Barack Hussein Mohammed Obama.
I’m pretty sure that McCain will win in a landslide.
Here’s the only hope we have in this regard, as to McCain: he’s not Obama or the candidate of the Democratic Party otherwise.
I have resigned myself to voting “Republican” this Fall, though that involves (involuntarily) voting “for McCain” of sorts. Not to monkey around with words here, but, I can’t vote for a Democrat and the Libertarian Party is (by party, maybe not Barr) open borders such that they are not reliable on issues that involve “restricting” (a Libertarian term for enforcement) anything.
Thus, I’m stuck with voting for McCain and Rove, that magnificent bastard, is again proven right: we Conservatives have no where else to go (at the voting booth) except to vote for the Republican, even when the Republican is a Liberal.
My HOPE is that we Republicans can eventually get the point across that we want a Republican-Right, not a Democrat-Right. And, I am quite sure that if amnesty ever passes for illegal aliens in the U.S., each and all responsible for that will be looking at a long and intense Civil War II in the U.S. with one side being them and the other side being us who don’t support such travesty as that.
McCain gets to the White House, he’d better pony-up to the Right and remember that without the Right among the Republicans, he’d be anywhere but there.
John,
I am battling the RNC and others. I too told one guy over the phone that my donation is in my gas tank. When are the Republicans going to wake up.
I do have something to vote for in NJ. My Rep Scott Garrett has been a very strong conservative. He’s been popular. He’s still going to have a decent fight in Nov, a lib ACLU type lawyer is trying to take his spot.
We also stand a good chance of getting rid of that old liberal ASSHAT Senator Frank Lautenberg. Guy named Zimmer has a good shot, has a good record in local politics.
BTW Lautenberg was a co-sponsor on the oil windfall profits bill today. This from a guy who made his millions as one of the founders of ADP the payroll/accounting company. You’d think he’d understand economics.
Sorry, Joy. It was Wise Man who made the statement. He should back it up. The MSM keeps stating that Obama is not a Muslim, but there really no evidence that proves he is not. Some conservatives have bought into the fact that if Obama attends a “Christian” (really a communist, liberation theology, anti-capitalist, anti-American) church, then that means he is a Christian. It doesn’t.
I agree also. I really hope that Michelle Malkin and other conservatives with clout will keep pressuring Obama to release it.
This is an extremely important question. We have to know if a presidential candidate is actually an American citizen.
Romeo13 made a great point in his comment on the post about the birth certificate:
This is a HUGE issue. If the New York Times can ask about whether John McCain is an American citizen because he was born in the Panama Canal Zone (a total nonissue; of course he would be a citizen), then why can’t they ask about BHMO’s birth certificate?
Michelle Malkin and other conservatives with clout: PLEASE keep on this issue.
I said it. If Obama was a muslim, then as a muslim he would go to prayers three times a day, and fast at ramadan, and abstain from pork. He does none of these things. He went to the Rev. wright’s church for 20 years.
Obama in not a muslim. His father was, but this does not pass from father to son. Obama is many things, a sham, a liar, extremely liberal, and opportunist and a creepy charismatic cult follower to his followers, but being a muslim isnt.
He did eat that $100 ham in Philadelphia. But I still want to know if he is a US citizen.
In my opinion, this issue is about as huge as John McCains teeth. And if you pursue the ‘B Hussein Obama is a muslim!’ angle, it won’t help. It will turn off many swing voters who will see this as a cheap shot.
This story shows the hypocrisy of the people on the left who brought up the McCain panama deal, but since Obama has lived his life as a ‘christian’ for so long, there is no way a document such as a birth certificate can undo the reality.
I think that if conservatives harp on this, it will only backfire. As much as when people useing Obama’s middle name all the time. We all know what it is already.
BHO is not a Muslim, he is not a Christian, he is not even a Communist…
He is a self serving elitist & he works for Soros.
Clarification: not “American citizen” but a natural American-born citizen.
Not necessary. If he were a Muslim and wanted to fool the American people into electing him president, he would do none of those things. Actually, the fact that he would choose Rev. Wright’s communist, anti-American “church” is telling that he is not really a Christian. In fact, his church has stated many Muslims go there. Finally, for the New York Times, BHMO has recited the Muslim creed. As the article state, this would in fact let Muslims around the world know he has never recanted his Muslim faith. From the Israeli Insider article:
This article is extremely convincing that Obama is not Christian and is in fact a cultural Muslim.
How much do you want to make a bet his birth certificate states “Barack Hussein Mohammed Obama?”
Maybe it does. Maybe Obama wanted his “Hussein” shoe to drop first, and wait until much later to let the second shoe drop.
“his church has stated many Muslims go there.”
I’m sorry, I have not seen this yet. Give me a chance to read it and see if any other news outlets have mentioned this as well.
Might be a muslim? I dare say he is. His father was indeed muslim,Obama’s mother was second wife, his step father was muslim (Indonesia), he did in fact attend a muslim school in Indonesia despite the spin.
While in Chicago the ‘Church’ he attended was anti-Semite, Obama attends Nation of Islam functions, again anti-Semite, Obama has ties to the PLO groups in Chicago. And this: In 2000, Rashid Khalidi, a former PLO operative who justified Palestinian terrorism as contributing to “political enlightenment,” threw a fundraiser for his friend Barack Obama.
Admitting being a muslim might be bad for public relations so his team denies it. But Senator Barack Hussein Obama lies about other things too.
Muslim,Progressive, Marxist and Obama hits the big three.
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Enjoy Sharia
Have a nice Jihad
well this Tancredo news sickens me. he was a GREAT spokesman for our side until he did an absolutely terrible job running for president, and since then he’s faded from the scene and is now going to vote for the worst traitor against conservatives that we’ve ever seen.
guess what Tom, this makes me pissed that I donated to your “campaign,” pal. this makes me realize you really aren’t all that, and if you are going to support McVain and all the pain he has caused conservatives with his Amnesty ram-down and his lying and smearing of enforcement advocates, well then you’re pretty much worthless to the conservative cause.
TO ALL THE NOSE-HOLDERS WHO WILL ACTUALLY VOTE FOR MCVAIN – you are single-handledly destroying any hope that these RINOs will ever get a clue. thanks a lot, you are entirely validating the lame republican slide to the left, just like they want you to. you are actually going to vote for this loser/insulter/traitor/idiot that the dems helped win primaries.
all I can say is, THANKS FOR NOTHING. YOU WILL BE THE SOLE REASON WE ONLY EVER GET MORE OF THE SAME.
How is an Obama presidency going to magically result in a more conservative republican winning the republican nomination next time? McCain got the most votes in the primary. By republicans.
“that the dems helped win primaries.”
[citation needed]
It is a dilemma.
And John McCain is an arrogant jerk.
It is a dilemma.
Wise man – McCain did and did not get the most votes. The votes for all the other candidates adds up to way more than McCain got. He won because the votes were so split. And because he lied about Mitt the day before the Florida Primary and Mitt didn’t have a chance to respond.
Well Wiseman?
Look, no offense, but where have you been the last 8 years that he’s been giving conservatives the ‘bird’?
Someone should tell the brain trust running McCain’s website that their review monitor fell asleep.
McCain Father’s Day Golf Package
Yikes.
I see Gabe is doing his best again to make this site look like the mirror image of Dkos. Are you really a teacher?
stoptheinvasion said, “…you are single-handledly destroying any hope that these RINOs will ever get a clue. thanks a lot, you are entirely validating the lame republican slide to the left…”
So, stop, I totally get your point, but this is not the time to try and make it. We remain at war with an enemy far-too-aligned with the interests of the Dem candidate.
And, in case anyone wonders about my thoughts on the subject: I believe that Barack Obama is not a Christian. Whatever he is, he’s not a follower of Jesus Christ. If he were, he could simply not have sat through 20 years of Jerry Wright’s rants.
A house of worship is about God; not politics and race-baiting anti-American hate speech.
BHO would have been compelled to walk out, taking his family with him, and then pray for Rev Wright and those who were being taken in by the hideous message.
There. I said it.
Interesting…
Too bad was so busy today.
Look at the behaviour patterns of our friends [un]wise_man, die-hippo-die & Gabe.
You can change your tune, but ingrained behaviours patterns are *very* hard to change.
First crack-out-of-the-box, they impugn anyone who doesn’t agree w/them, saying all “true” conservatives will follow their directions as do sheep.
Or they color dissenters “obama”, and when confronted with facts take to the time-honoured practice of shifting goalposts or selective perception.
Funny, I never read in any work of the Founders, or Locke, or even my favorite, Patton, where we ad to act as sheep. I must have missed that.
Now, I ask you: What group do we know, from experience, that attack first & over-the-top (as Alinsky taught), plunge the knife — but blame the opponent, shift the goalposts, accept no logic, claim “The Sky Will Fall” while minimizing every reasonable objection, et al?
To all those who accuse People of Conscience of being other than Conservative, I say:
If you believe Conservatism so shallow a philosophy, the tenents so fragile, that it rests on a single vote for a small, small overly self-involved man or Conscience so eaisily thrust aside as you harangus to, look to your own understanding of what Conservatism is.
It did not gain life with Reagan, and it did not die with him. Conservatism is nothing more or less than the mechanics by which we express Freedom. It is the very thing expressed by Jefferson and Madison, Franklin and Adams. It is a gift from Our Heavenly Father, the Most High God to us His Children!
HOW DARE YOU try to circumscribe my free agency by bully tactics — Shame on you! That anathama to Conservatism, and True Conservatives see it as such!
I am sick to death of people like you: Sunshine Patriots… All fire in groups but cold & quiet in person before a group hostile to your beliefs. You aren’t worth the powder to keep your diapers dry.
– martin.musculus
It seems to me these principles apply just as much to political parties as to governments. For me the Republican Party has served as a means to an end; it is not an end in itself.
In this election, voting for one candidate may mean the end of the Republican Party. Voting for the other may mean the end of the country. I value my country much more than any political party. It would be a lot easier to form another party than to create another United States of America.
Were we suppose to be surprised with the headine, “Guess who Tancredo is voting for?” Of course he’s voting for McCain for the same reasons most of us are. I don’t think any of us are thrilled but seeing Obama win is darn frightening.
And anyone writing in a vote–sorry you can keep your morals and values and know that you are giving up your vote to Obama–great idea. But if it makes you feel better, that’s what counts, not the matters at hand, hmmmmm.
Just so.
Look, I’m tired of dealing with these petulant children, e.g. [un]wise_man, gabe, dye_hippo_dye, et al.
I’ve been fighting this fight since I woke up & voted against that empty-pated Stevenson.
I’ve been out all day, trying to get a BP of 192/136 down… every time I think of the aforementioned, these anti-barnburners who in addition combine the gumption of the know-nothings (look it up…) my BP starts to rocket up.
At my age, why should I care? I have two sets of children, and grandchildren. I worry about what they will have in a world where everything has slid left.
Did you know that at least as early as the Greeks people *knew* the world was round, (there’s this thing with a stick’s shadow & a little geometry…). So the old “Falling Off the Edge of the World” stuff was just good copy promulgated to help the “Enlightened” feel more self-important.
Maybe, though, what was really meant by “falling off the edge of the world” was the leftward slide we are in now.
I’m going to bed. With luck, I’ll be able to join the discussions tomorrow.
– martin.musculus
I met Tom Tancredo last week at a retreat in Santa Barbara. Although I sharply disagree with him on some issues, he was beyond nice, a very friendly human being.
Even after I told him of the issue I disagree with him on, he was still gracious enough to do an interview with me for my blog. I will be publishing that interview in about 10 hours from this post.
His wife was also lovely.
Respectfully,
eric aka the Tygrrrr Express
http://www.blacktygrrrr.wordpress.com
martin.musculus said:
Martin you are correct again.
Unless the “McCain or else” crowd can show Proof that voting for McCain is fundamentally better and different than not voting for him or to choose staying home, then they don’t really have an argument. McCain is no different on policy, and if you have been paying attention to national security policy of McCain he has been steadily looking more and more like a liberal Democrat on the same subject
If “McCain or else” arguments held any water as a method for choosing leaders we want we should have been under a conservative and better president by now.
The opposite has been true.
I used to vote for the lesser than two evils,and all that I have seen over the past 26 years is that we have never gotten better leaders -let alone conservative leaders- for the GOP…in fact the quality and conservatism of our leaders has been declining. The method of voting for the lesser of two evils by observation has not worked.
So tell me once you put in John McCain… what incentive will he have to do a damn thing for conservatism, the GOP, or for anyone other than for himself?…and please don’t repond with another ad hominem attack -I can only laugh so much before I get p#$sed
Do unruly children do nicer things when you withhold punishment?
No they get worse! I know this as a parent.
Grow up McCainians
You can make beter arguments than the stuff I’ve seen tonight.
supercilious, pusillanimous pissant.
Yes, soooo much easier better to just tender a vote for a LOSE candidate, lob rocks at people who have a conscience, and follow it than to actually stand up and say NO More!
Yes! So much easier, safer, and you get points, too.
We got our selves here by throwing our principles overboard. One compromise at a time, one inch, one little thing, one tiny bit.
When the next McCain is Obama, where will you stand then?
And don’t avoid the question! The only way we can project the futureis by the past. You do it all the time: “You don’t vote for our worthless candidate, Obama will win!” — so don’t try to shuffle out from under.
I ask you:
When the trend continues, and the next McCain = current Obama, what will you say?
You’d better not say: “Oh, I’d not vote for that! Thats too far!”
Horsefeathers! You would & you will — because you do.
So take your phony moral authority, your Vichy-French “Realism”, your manufactured outrage and open a paperbag, put it to your mouth and yell it all into it.
Your house is built on jello, just like your candidate’s honesty.
Go read some history.
May the adults forgive an old man’s anger at the folly he’s seen all too often.
– martin.musculus
And this is the guy we should vote for??
Oh that’s right…
@#$%&*!@!! My BP meter is beeping again. I know the night nurse is going to call.
Even though I’m not a Luddite, I still sometimes hate technology…
I’m going to bed. Maybe if the meter registers a drop soon enough I can avoid unpleasantness w/the wife… (that is, she won’t know I’m cranking my BP again… [grin])
– martin.musculus
Hey Conservatives R US
I in fact do possess a bachelor degree with honors in History with honors.
Can’t you do any better than that??
I’m going to bed before I really blow my stack.
Good grief, what a bunch of idiots. The last Category is Go Green, McCain the Eco-Friendly. So the little jerk is competing for the tree hugger vote. Why doesn’t he just endorse Obama and go live in a tree? If I wanted a Biodegradable and antibacterial shirt I would hunt down a woolly mammoth.
Yep children and grandchildren. My first Presidental vote was 1968 for Nixon. It too was an anti-. Ronald Reagan was the only vote I really felt good about and both times. I do not know; perhaps it is time for the Republican Party to go the way of the Wiggs. But this country IS worth fighting for–however that may play out and by whatever means the Left forces on us. Fighting back is legal.
ArizonaNeanderthal said:
You’ve said something meaningful and transcendant tonight, ArizonaNeanaderthal-i can go to bed with peace of mind and a less angry countenance tonight…thank you
I leave for a couple of hours – get back – and see that the L O T E advocates have arrived- en masse.
For those who are R E A L L Y tired of the R.Party’s slippery slide to the left-stick to your guns- literally and figuratively.
HMM-just a thought-I wonder if the LOTE advocates get Mc points.
I’ve got to get some “shut-eye”.
Thank God for our great military – police and fire personnel- I can sleep in peace.
Please give me your rationale for voting for the greater of two evils–or doing nothing while evil triumphs.
I hope that was just a moment of weakness, Mr. Tancredo.
#7:
A vote is an endorsement, no matter how much one tries to parse it, be it this Dem congressman or Tancredo.
I don’t really see the contradiction in too liberal to endorse, but I’m voting for him.
Both candidates suck, although Obama is ideologically closer to his party than McCain is to his.
I know McAmnesty is too fubared for some people to vote for, but one of those two will wind up POTUS, and Obama is just that awful, that I will, reluctantly, vote for the lesser of two evils.
Like choosing amputation of a limb is The Blob is crawling up my arm, rather than being completely consumed by Marxist space ectoplasm.
It gets worse and worse. McCain praises nanny Bloomberg; doesn’t rule him out as Veep candidate.
McCain is a liberal bastard. Oh, I’m sorry; he’s a Maverick.
“Mr McCain said that Americans were right to be offended by “extravagant” salaries and severance deals for financial sector executives whose decisions had helped cause the crisis in the housing and credit markets.
“Something is seriously wrong when the American people are left to bear the consequences of reckless corporate conduct, while the offenders themselves are packed off with another $40m or $50m for the road,” he said. “If I am elected president, I intend to see that wrongdoing of this kind is called to account by federal prosecutors. And under my reforms, all aspects of a CEO’s pay, including any severance arrangements, must be approved by shareholders.””
Aaargghhhh!!! The shareholders are the owners! They are the ones who run the show; they are the ones who elect the board of directors. THEY ALREADY ARE APPROVED BY THE SHAREHOLDERS.
And “conservatives” are going to vote for this moron.
No, a vote is one vote, an endorsement is encouraging others to vote that way. And it doesn’t sound like Tancredo will be doing any campaigning for the RINO.
He has just decided, as I have, Obama is so bad McCain is preferable.
One of those two will be president.
I don’t agree with, but I can understand the argument, “let the real Democrat win, so when Obama screws things up the Democrats get blamed”.
I just happen to think the real Democrat will irreparably harm this country. Put us on the road to permanent second class world power status, like Britain or Spain.
Sometimes love of country, in my opinion, trumps politics, and teaching the Republican leadership a lesson is less important than saving the country from an American hating Marxist.
If amnesty is the issue, McCain sucks, and Obama will suck at least as badly.
I’m half convinced you’re an Obama Dem moby, but even if you are, while I’d still have to vote against Obama, McCain would probably drive the last nail into the coffin of his defeat by choosing a nanny-state liberal Democrat who ran as a Republican for mayor only because the primary competition was easier to beat.
McCain has to pick a real Republican, or he’ll turn off most of the base that hasn’t already rejected him as too liberal.
What a dumbass.
Look at these comments!
I too tried to help Tom Tranc. and am disappointed in his comment. I have more reason to support Bob Barr than McNasty. Tom is telling us that he thinks that Mc has more good points than Barr? I will not submit!