Harry Reid’s Jimmy Carter Memorial Act: Senate takes up windfall profits tax; Update: Reid cloture motion falls short, 51-43; Roll call vote added, McCain and Obama skip out
Scroll down for updates…10:07am Eastern: Reid is on the Senate floor whining about GOP obstruction…McConnell: Carter windfall profits tax was a “miserable failure” and would be again…See Ben Lieberman’s legislative analysis of the Dem energy measures here…11:23am Eastern Vote now underway on whether to move forward with S3044…Reid needs 60 votes…11:52am Eastern. Cloture motion fails, 51-43…Roll call vote added below
More gaseous demagoguery will be emitted on the Senate floor today as Harry Reid leads the crusade to impose a Jimmy Carter-era windfall profits tax on oil companies.
Democrat Rep. Maxine Waters has already threatened to nationalize the oil industry.
Here’s Dick Durbin demonizing profits:
With gasoline prices topping $4 a gallon, Senate Democrats want the government to grab some of the billions of dollars in profits being taken in by the major oil companies.
Senators were to vote Tuesday on whether to consider a windfall profits tax against the five largest U.S. oil companies and rescind $17 billion in tax breaks the companies expect to enjoy over the next decade.
“The oil companies need to know that there is a limit on how much profit they can take in this economy,” said Sen. Richard Durbin of Illinois, the Senate’s No. 2 Democrat, warning that if energy prices are not reined in “we’re going to find ourselves in a deep recession.”
Some GOP leaders vow they’ll fight:
Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., will need 60 votes Tuesday to proceed with the oil tax legislation in the face of a threatened GOP filibuster. If he doesn’t get 60, he likely will pull the bill from the floor.
Only last week, Reid was forced to withdraw a measure aimed at addressing global warming, falling short of the 60 votes needed to advance that legislation…
…Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky has acknowledged that Americans are hurting from the high energy costs but strongly opposes the Democrats’ response and has ridiculed those who “think we can tax our way out of this problem.”
Oil executives, testifying before Congress last month, called the proposed taxes “punitive” and warned that they would discourage domestic oil and gas exploration and production, possibly causing prices to rise instead of fall.
The American Petroleum Institute, which represents the major oil companies, has been reminding lawmakers that in the early 1980s, when the government imposed windfall profits taxes on oil companies domestic oil production dropped and imports increased. But Democrats reject the comparison. The Senate proposal would impose a 25 percent tax on profits over what would be determined “reasonable” and would allow oil companies to avoid paying the tax if they invest the money in alternative energy projects or refinery expansion.
Barack Obama supports the new tax and grab scheme.
And McCain? Well, I’ll remind you what he said last month in Charlotte, NC:
Transcript:
MCCAIN: “Um, I don’t like obscene profits being made anywhere–and I’d be glad to look not just at the windfall profits tax–that’s not what bothers me–but we should look at any incentives that we are giving to people, that or industries or corporations that are distorting the market.”
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Update: Commenter liberty3:
I have been calling my Congressional representatives all morning about drilling for OUR oil. Decided to call Senator McConnell’s office, since he is the minority leader. I asked to speak to someone on the subject—the young lady who took my call said she would pass along a message. I repeated that I wanted to speak to someone versed in the subject—click…she hung up on me. Wow, didn’t expect that from the minority leaders office…
The dial tone we deserve?
Update 10:12am Eastern. McConnell on the Senate floor pointing out that the Carter windfall profits tax was a “miserable failure…Americans understand supply and demand…” Cites polls showing increasing number of voters who want drilling.
Update 10:25am Eastern. Charles Schumer demagogues Exxon Mobil, pooh-poohs ANWR. Kay Bailey Hutchison calls the Dems’ bill, “pure and simple…pathetic.”
Update 11:52am Eastern. Reid fails. 51-43.
Update 12:43pm Eastern. Here’s the roll call vote.
*Reid voted no in order to bring it back up on the floor at a later time.
Via CNN:
Senate Republicans on Tuesday blocked a Democratic initiative that would have taxed the windfall profits oil companies have enjoyed due to rising energy prices, with the minority leader calling the proposal a “gimmick.”
Record energy prices have led to record profits for oil companies.
The measure failed to achieve the 60 votes required by Senate rules to proceed. The vote was 51-43.
Six Republicans, including three seeking re-election in November, broke ranks to support the bill.
Two Democrats — Sen. Mary Landrieu of oil-producing state Louisiana and Majority Leader Harry Reid, who voted no to be able to bring the measure back to the floor under Senate rules — voted against the measure.
Along with placing a special tax of 25 percent on oil companies, the bill would have permitted lawsuits against the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries, the oil-producing cartel, and suspended deposits into the Strategic Petroleum Reserve.
Profits from renewable energy sources would be excluded from the tax.
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It’s really hard to tell the difference between conservatives who haven’t thought their cunning plan all the way through, and liberal internet trolls who are in the process of waging their own operation chaos against us … but it would seem that they are both after the same thing. An election victory for the democrats this november.
Over the weekend, I saw this idiot being interviewed on one of the news channels. When he was asked about BHO’s questionable associations with known criminals, his blindingly stupid take on foreign affairs, and his mentally deficient attitude towards the economy, all Reid could do was bash the Bush administration and try the “guilt-by-association” path with McCain. It was classic deflection and smoke-and-mirrors oratory.
Boomer, I’d be happy to chip in for your gas money, but you might as well stay home and try to beat some sense into your driveway.
#95:
well, no s***. did i say he was? have you ever heard of the subjunctive? the man is telling you HIS freaking platform; what HE believes. but go ahead, be a sucker, and vote for his maverick ass.
I think after Michelles last update watching c-span put her in a Coma…
update
Down in Flames
Reid is Blaming it on the subway.
khan,
As opposed to being a sucker and voting for obama? This vote was for today, not next year. Get over yourself. I am done with you.
Right now the collective intellegence of both houses of congress doesn’t exceed the price of a gal of gas!
#100:
There are other choices besides Obama
“Um, I don’t like obscene profits being made anywhere–and I’d be glad to look not just at the windfall profits tax–that’s not what bothers me–but we should look at any incentives that we are giving to people, that or industries or corporations that are distorting the market.”
That isn’t a statement that was made about today’s legislation; this is what the man believes at his core.
s.u.c.k.e.r.
I don’t know which is more pathetic, the blowhard politicians trying to take advantage of general unhappiness with fuel prices or the ignorance of voters and pols alike on the issue. Higher taxes, price caps, nationalization, increased regulation and so forth will only bring on higher prices and 1970s-style lines at the gas stations.
1. McCain doesn’t like “obscene profits” as well as price gouging. The oil companies are doing neither.
2. “look at” =/= a promise to implement them.
3. “that’s not what bothers me” .. apparently you don’t understand that he is referring to #1 and #2. He is not bothered by windfall profits. What he is bothered by are incentives that should not be in place. When the government gives money to farmers to not grow crops, or gives incentives to oil companies who are making a huge profit, then this needs to be addressed.
4. Industries that are distorting the market. I don’t like industries that are distorting the market either. Do you like industries that are distorting the market?
So now, your claim that McCain is going to implement a windfall profit tax on all oil companies or whatver you are attempting to imply has been corrected.
Don’t bother making this lame claim again. Because when you do, and I see it, i’m going to correct the record.
Again.
This is simple math (even lgm can figure this out).
Dems: 1+1=0 – Add windfall profits tax on oil companies and it will lower gas prices. Reality; taxes will make the gooberment fatter and higher gas prices.
People with brains: 1+1=2 – when oil companies lose profits they will raise the cost of refining and gas to make up for the loss. Reality; taxes will make the gooberment fatter and higher gas prices.
Hey Atheling,
I do know economics! Its a supply and demand thing. We have to reduce the demand, and let the supply catch up. I agree with more drilling, but that will take several years to make a difference. Reducing the demand without drastically hurting the economy is the best short term fix. I think we need to come up with our own fix before the government(mainly dems) tries, and screws things up worse!
51 + 43 = 94
Any wagers on who the non-voters were?
This conduct should scare everyone on this board. Our politicians are so out of touch with the american people and have now resorted to money grabbing at any level.
Wake up people and stop voting the same old same old back into office.
I am not sure what can be done about oil Co profits, but I dont think that companies making tens of billions of dollars in profits need govt tax breaks either. They arent selling TV’s; they are selling oil, a critical resource that makes our economy run. The heads of these companies are globalists who could care less about $4.00 gallon gas. BUTTTTTTTTT….dems are responsible for the US not being able to drill for its own oil where there is plenty of it; for no new refineries being built; for no nuke power plants (even France now realizes how important that is and is doing something about it). So even though our current dependency on oil is a democratic party caused problem; the oil companies are enjoying pointing that finger, while enjoying record profit in the til, at the expense of the people in this country struggling to pay their bills.
salukidog:
Guess what? Your solution is already in the works. There are people who are foregoing eating out, medicine, travel, etc… If you sign any of the online petitions which allow for comments, you will read some heartbreaking stories of many Americans, particularly those on fixed incomes, who are already suffering from the price of gas. Those people are cutting back on eating, medicine, clothes, etc… So what else do you want them to do? Jump off a cliff so they use less gas and leave it for more affluent Americans?
Yes, and the big mystery to me is why? Thinking American citizens almost universally agree that our government is run by “nitwits”, liars, cheats, criminals, megalomaniacs, egotistical “crapweasels”, and others who would sell their souls and spend our tax dollars for power and to acheive personal wealth. And they get away with it!!! Why do we allow this? What is there in the American psyche that causes us to stand around like a bunch of sheep while politicians screw us to the wall? Also, what the hell is wrong with those American citizens who apparently think everything is just hunky dory?We need to spend more time thinking about what to do about this fundamental problem. If we don’t, we may wind up in the eye of the whirlpool faster than we think.
At one point, maybe it was a very smart move. But as you say, when they are very profitable – they don’t need more and more handouts from the taxpayers.
The problem is the democrats want to punish them, and they also want to take away tax incentives and what ever programs.
If the oil companies are making more money than before, then the incentives can be phased out. But I of course dont agree with the democrats that we need to punish a for profit company. Most of the democrats message is wrong for this country, and when Hillary says things like “I want to take these profits” and Obama says something similar, it’s very easy to understand what they will do if and when they get the power to do this.
You gotta see this!
Makes sense moron Reid would push for cloture and end all debate; the reason you need 3/5 vote…
I keep hearing about all of these “subsidies” the oil industry receives. Can somebody point me in the direction of what these exactly might be.
Without knowing the details, I’m inclined to believe it’s somewhat like the AMT – the congress writes tax laws to “incentivise” certain activities but then when you actually do them, they decide it’s bad that you didn’t just send them all the money directly, so will confiscate the money anyway.
#104:
1. There is no such thing as price gouging. Bottom line, McCain’s own words – “Um, I don’t like obscene profits being made anywhere…”
3. yes, i know exactly what he’s referring to: he’s not bothered by windfall profits taxes. Refer back to “Um, I don’t like obscene profits being made anywhere…”
4. Industries are not distorting the market; government is distorting the market.
I do want to commend you, though. After you called McCain a sack of crap, you are on the fast track to winning those Maverick points back. Thumbs up!
The tax burden on a gallon of gas is about twice the profit margin. Are the geniuses in the Senate going to refund those “obscene” “excess” taxes?
No? Aw, you guys are no fun…
Drop dead, troll.
So Reid voted against it himself?
I am getting tired of stupid Dems…really. Have none of them studied economics? To think they actually thought raising taxes on the oil companies would somehow help the Am people is laughable. More taxes on the oil companies means a higher price on gas.
I don’t have a problem with people making money in this country or big profits. We live in a world where there is always going to be someone with more than me and someone with less than me. That’s just how it is.
Oh but wait – the Dems think we should all make the same right? Except they don’t include themselves in that – they still want to remain millionaires while overtaxing the middle class.
Really, the Dems disgust me.
Congrats, wise_man; you managed to avoid using f*bombs.
so, why isnt Hilldebeast voting now?
Congrats, khan; you continue to be a troll every day.
What a weasel Reid is – he saw the way the vote was going and then voted against it.
I guess he didn’t want to leave Landrieu (D-LA) hanging out with the NAYs by himself.
Heh.
Ah, yes…calling everyone who disagrees with you and shoots down your arguments a “troll”, just as you did yesterday. A very weak tactic; the hallmark of someone unable to respond to opposing viewpoints or to criticisms and critiques of your “points” (misrepresentations, straw men, etc.).
#124:
he’s done that a lot over the years. reminds me of Charlie Rangel voting against his own bill to institute the draft.
Wow, Carter I was terrible – can’t imagine anyone wanting Carter II. Waiting for a giant crazy rabbit to attack Obama’s bus, it’ll be an omen…
jenmom, how is this talk helping Obama’s kids pay for piano and dancing lessons?
I am an Iowa Conservative and I am pissed! My Senator Chuck Grassley voted yes along with the idiot democrats on this moronic bill. I thought he was a conservative. I guess I was wrong. Call his office and complain Iowans! (and non-Iowans if you want!) 202.224.3744.
Wrong. There are people who disagree with me who are not trolls.
You happen to be a troll. Because of your actions here. Sorry. It’s a fact.
Says the guy who only shows up in McCain threads or any thread that puts RINOs in a bad light. Always preaching party over principle.
why dont you two just exchange emails and get this over with…..
BTW is sent this to Grassley’s office today:
Sen Grassley:
I have never been more disappointed in one of my Sate representatives as I am in you today. I expect Tom Harkin to be a moveon.org puppet because he is a fool. I expected more from you. Your yea vote on S3044 was worthy of Harkin’s greatest stupidity. I guess you want a return to the 70’s and the disaterous economic failure of the Carter administration. His attempt at a Windfall Profits Tax destroyed our economy.
No wonder the Republican party is in such disarray. I refuse to donate ONE PENNY to the RNC until it stops acting like the DNC. A horrific loss in ‘08 is just what the Repulican party needs to yank it’s head out it’s lower orifice. And believe me sir, it is on the way if you and the other weak kneed RINO’s keep voting for liberal big government tax increasing programs. WAKE UP!!!!!!
It took 4 years of Jimmy Carter to get eight years of Ronald Regan.
#73
Sorry back so late. Nice list you put together… I count two (2) that like US. CANADA and BRAZIL… I count eight (8) that want us DEAD… The rest only HATE US. Pretty good list…
Says the guy who shows up in every thread and purports to be a conservative and yet backs exactly what the democrats want, McCain to loose and as a result, Obama to win.
Vote Republican, NO NEW TAXES!
Which 8 governments and/or oil companies in these countries want us DEAD would that be?
I suggest you all watch this it is scary!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yiurw9T5p_s
Market forces being what they are, oil speculators are having a hay-day arbitraging futures. We, the lowly consumers of energy, are the unwitting foil in the equation. We are the consumers and therefore bear the brunt of the trading houses escapades. While they are raking in mountains of cash to buy even bigger and more outrageous homes, most Americans struggle to get by filling their gas guzzlers with $4.00/gallon petrol. Windfall is sure a great thing when the winds are favorable to you.
“Inexperienced leaders make uninformed decisions” wow. Thanks xler8bmw.
(that music always gives me shivvvers.)
Keep in mind the following when it comes to profits from companies like Exxon Mobil…
Conservatives will look at the profit margin percentage (10.85 percent) when a liberal will look at the highest number that they can find in the balance sheet ($170 billion dollars), and compare that to how much the current minimum wage is in Alabama – just for effect.
More here.
That roll call has dingy harry listed as a nay ? Is he so stupid he voted against his own bill…
Anyone notice lately how many votes McCain, Obama and Clinton have missed?
In another post Wise Man had this to say about Juan McCain:
“worthless sack of crap like McCain”
I couldn’t have said it better myself.
#140 the what scares me is history may repeat itself but worse!
Hey, what’s with Harry Reid listed on the ‘Nay’ list?
Isn’t this his ‘crusade’?
I’m sure you noticed that Lindsay Graham didn’t vote either. If he’s mentioned to be anywhere near the VP slot, we might as well kiss this November 08 goodbye.
I sent this letter to Bayh and Lugar today.
I was surprised and happy to see my two TX senators voted nay. I called both of their offices asking them to do so.
L
Congressional Democulprits are a joke!
The price for regular unleaded gas just shot up in my hometown from $4.19/gal. to $4.41/gal. in the one week I was away on vacation. To listen to these whinning clowns, you’d think oil companies, like ExxonMobile were gouging us. How about the truth for a change?
Exxon makes approximately 17.5 cents a gallon profit. The federal government STEALS approx. 66 cents a gallon. The State of California TAKES almost 33 cents a gallon. So…
Exxon gets $3.53 on a 20 gallon fill up.
U.S. Treasury gets $13.53 on the same fill up.
State of California gets at least $6.60 a fill up.
Our governments take in over $20 per fill up, but Exxon takes in only about $3.53 profit at the same time? What product does the government provide for taking in this type of windfall?
We should have the best traffic infrastucture in the world for the amount of money we are having to pay, but we do not.
Who are the REAL profiteers here?
By the way, here in Way Northern California, almost in Oregon gas is 4.95 per gallon.
Fortunately I live close to the Oregon border and can save up to 50 cents per gallon buying it there.
#144:
Careful, Joy. You’ll be called “a troll”.
What’s Graham’s excuse for not voting?
right_on: Well said. What scumbags. We really have loons running this asylum. Uneducated and willfully ignorant loons at that. It’s a miracle we have survived this log with dim bulbs such as the average democrat running the country. They have done more harm than the islamofascists could ever dream of.
OK, somebody stop me here, if you disagree, but I think this whole episode reminds me of a part of the old Rocky and Bullwinkle Show, where Bullwinkle was practicing his magic act, and would breathlessly exclaim, “Hey Rocky, watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat!”
Rocky would reply, “Again? But that trick never works.”
Bullwinkle; “This time for sure! Nothin’ up my sleeve. Presto!”
This dialogue would be followed by Bullwinkle pulling a rhinocerous, or tiger out of his hat, and Rocky exclaiming, “wrong hat.”
Seriously, doesn’t Harry Reid even look a little like Bullwinkle?
long not log. I hate mis-spells.
Khan – That is my lofty goal.. I felt quite left out last night and almost
giggledcried.. always a trollmaid, never a troll… *sniff*You are both acting like trolls.
So they are trolls. And wise_man, dropping f* bombs and calling people names in every thread, is – what?
I think he looks more like this
Bullwinkle you be the judge
I can see why Kennedy and KKK Byrd missed the vote, but Why Obamination, McAmnesty and Hillary? Especially since the queen was knocked off her high horse.
what do you hope to accomplish by lying about me, longbow?
JS Ragman – for you
HERE <— Click
Control, control and more control over everything we do in this nation. Democrats will not be happy until they are they only party in charge of a socialist nation!
I am here to stop you!
Wise man – I think you are a paranoid schizo with a persecution complex. No one is lying about you. Get a grip.
And thank you for including me in the troll category! Happy happy, joy joy!
What do you hope to accomplish by lying about your lying, wise_man?
#8.
GREAT POST!!!!
Pardon me if this has been mentioned above, I didn’t have time to read thru
all the entries (working doing Ins auth’s for Cancer kids).
Has anyone seen the History Channel program Ice Road Truckers? The second season began Sunday night. Last season, these guys drove over frozen “pristine” swamps and lakes to Diamond Mines. This
season they are to drive 200 miles above the Arctic Circle over the frozen ocean to a Natural Gas rig. Uhmmm…if they can do that in Alaska and above the
Arctic Circle, how come they can’t drive
up to A.N.W.A.R? Seems to this pea-brain that it is entirely possible to do
without wrecking mosquito habitat. Perhaps I will notify my Congress Critters: DiFi and Nancy with the laughing eyes.
Joy, longbow, others … It’s really hard to tell the difference between conservatives who haven’t thought their cunning plan all the way through, and liberal internet trolls who are in the process of waging their own operation chaos against us … but it would seem that they are both after the same thing. An election victory for the democrats this november.
You people are either one, or the other. But the end result is the same.
Stop acting like a troll and I won’t have to mention that you are behaving as internet trolls behave.
Wise Man..
ease up on the troll slinging..
just because she is questioning her vote for Maverick, as many true conservatives are..
if she comes in and starts saying that Karl Rove masterminded minorities to come in and vote for President on a Wednesday THEN you can call her a troll..
wise_man – in other words, we must stop disagreeing with you, or we’re trolls. If we disagree with you we are either not cunning (like you) because we haven’t thought things through, or we are trolls, you have said that explicitly.
I’m beginning to think I’m replying to a teen-aged troll, myself…
Hey whatever happened to the gas tax holiday? So Democrats in Congress thinks that making oil companies pay more taxes is going to lower the price of gas? Are they insane, or are the people who vote form them insane?
If anything oil companies should be given additional incentives to drill domestically. Where do the evil profits go? They go to Americans,i.e., pension funds of teachers, policeman, soldiers, firefigthers and millions of other Americans in various industries who invest in oil. So, who’s proposed to being taxed by the Democrats? See above.
Someone please explain to me how the Democrats are favored to pick up seats in November.
I thought it through all right.. even if my vote for Bob Barr is a backdoor vote for BHO, I am resolved in doing so..
on every issue that is important to me, Maverick has sided with the Messiah or is messiah light..
the only way I would contemplate in changing my vote is for Maverick to take a blood oath regarding the border and conservative judges.. and I’m sure I’m not even going to get a pledge and hand over his heart to anything in that respect so, no.. I’m not voting maverick..
call me a troll all you want.. you keep revealing yourself to be a wannabe cheap party hack who puts the ‘R’ in front of the US..
The dems wanted high gas prices to curb consumption. Now they have them and the high prices are the oil companies fault. This may be the stupidist congress in history.
Anyone notice Coleman voted YEA on the screen print above, but in this link at Powerline http://www.powerlineblog.com he’s voting NAY:
Minnesota: Coleman (R-MN), Nay Klobuchar (D-MN), Yea
Another Republican Senator trying to have it both ways? RINO
No, you are wrong. Other people disagree with me, they are not trolls. You are acting like trolls when you lie about me, when you(whoever it was) mock my name, when you(whoever it was) brought up a strawman argument and said that this is what I believed in. I really don’t have to spell this out to you because you already know what it means.
#170 Orlandocajun….The pollster, Scott
Rassmussen has had polls showing Republicans losing seats in both the House and Senate. Sean Hannity has had the results. Even Mitch McConnell, Minor
Leader is in danger. The stops that Republicans and Conservatives in Congress have had these last few days will not be accomplished. And Congressman Boehner is still clueless. So many of these Republicans believe they will pick up Independents and some
disgruntled Dems. Clueless!
wise_man – Let’s see…I went back just to a thread yesterday. You called people “deranged”, “delusional”, “toadie”, said their posts were “idiocy”, they were “stupid”, “full of crap”…
Fairyfoose, so with an 11% approval rating and stunts like this one, how is it possible the Dems could actually pick up more seats in November? That’s the question.
Longbow – Don’t forget he dropped the f-bomb too.
I see why he likes McCain so much (when he’s not calling him a “worthless sack of crap”, that is), he shares a temper issue.
orlandocajun – They assume their followers can’t add or subtract any better than they do.
Orlandocajun, for the same reason Denny
Hastret’s “safe” seat & 2 other “safe”
Republican seats were lost in recent special elections: Conservatives are ticked off at RHINO’s and the earmarks.
Dem’s don’t eat their own as Republicans do. Dem’s don’t, well, haven’t, stayed home in past elections.
Republicans did in the last interim Congressional elections. That’s one reason “Nancy” was able to take the chair.
I do sincerely hope we keep at least all the Republican seats we have now or
replace a few RHINO’s, but truth is there are a lot of Republicans retiring.
But as I just mentioned, I hope we do keep enough Republicans to pull parliamentary manuevers on the Dem’s. McCain will cross the isle and vote with them anyway. Sigh.
Because they were deranged when they think a protest vote will being about any real change. Because they were delusional to think that not participating in keeping Obama out will have any other effect than to ensure that Obama will be the next president. Because they were acting like a toadie by ganging up on me, mocking my name, lying abut what I said and attempting to make strawman arguments and claim that this is what I thought or said.
These actions are and were idocy, stupid and full of crap. I call it as I see it.
Anf here Joy is lying about me at #177.
This is the actions of a troll. And either you people are conservatives who want to punish mcCain by getting Obama elected and then blaming it on McCain, or you are liberal democrats operating your own version of chaos on this site. I really wish that the people who oversee this site can keep track of IP addresses and look for any sign of fraud, such as a computer in a dnc office, or anything else that can expose what is going on here.
So witch one is it? I like McCain or I don’t like McCain?
/Stop lying about me Joy.
wise-man, chill out will ya! We don’t need to expose trolls. They expose themselves and conservative sites don’t need to suppress anybody’s opinions. Let’s leave that to the lunatics on the left.
Please don’t feed the trolls.
wise_man I can see that you are a conservative – but perhaps you need to work on not calling people names, whether you are calling it like you see it or not. One sign of maturity is to keep your mouth shut as far as personal attacks go and just make good arguments – if they are indeed good arguments you will win people over by force of your intellect. To try to browbeat people into submission never works, not on a forum nor in life, at least not for long.
#180:
Ah, the hypocrisy of wise_man, just like the hypocrisy of franksalterego, continues. Everyone misrepresents what WM says, but he doesn’t do that at all. Everyone creates straw men, but WM doesn’t do that at all. No, sir.
Time and time again people said they will stick with their principles, and you did nothing but belittle them for it, calling them names, and misrepresenting their views.
No one has lied about you or about what you’ve said. Your own words are ample enough material.
I signed the petition yesterday, and also e-mailed the link to a dozen friends. I spoke to one of them this afternoon, who is signing it. He also plans to write our Senator about this.
….I wish him luck. We have Mikulski-D-MD, and Cardin-D-MD….
Americans also know which party lied to them, promising to bring down gas prices if elected – and it wasn’t the Republicans.
Wait a minute here: I am reading that correctly? It looks from that Cloture vote tally that REID voted AGAINST CLOTURE.
????
What kind of goofy strategery is THAT?
I’d still like to know why Reid is in the Nay column.
Reid – I voted for myself before I voted against myself…