The buzz about Barack’s birth certificate
Jim Geraghty takes a look at longstanding blog buzz over Barack Obama’s birth certificate, which the campaign refused to release to the St. Petersburg Times in April:
We tried to obtain a copy of Obama’s birth certificate, but his campaign would not release it and the state of Hawaii does not make such records public.
Has anyone seen it? Why shouldn’t the record be in the public domain for presidential candidates?
Geraghty walks through various rumors now circulating in the wake of the Obama campaign’s birth certificate blackout, including this one:
Rumor Three: His mother did not want to name him after his father, and his birth certificate says “Barry.” Perhaps the most plausible of the rumors, as Obama was known by that name through much of his childhood and young adulthood. If true, this would spur a new round of “When Barry Became Barack” stories – a minor headache for the campaign, but hardly a major scandal.
Lest the Obama campaign start whining about this issue being an unfair “distraction,” John McCain underwent intense scrutiny of his citizenship status because of his birth in the Panama Canal zone, leading the Senate to declare him a natural-born citizen in April.
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So after all the hooplah about McCain being born in the Panama Canal Zone he won’t release his own?
Nice….
Change you can believe in!
By the way, still waiting for John Kerry to release his records…
Definitely not helping his kids…but they would probably like to know too.
This guy’s baggage train just keeps getting longer and longer.
Sometimes playing games with little things can lead to biggr problems. He should just release it.
But … (hypothetically) if his citizenship is in question, then so is his candidacy (and maybe even his Senate seat).
Listen? Do you hear Hillary giggling?
Collin
Came across this quote on another conservative blog talking about the McCain citizenship issue…
As usual, a single pregnant woman refused to name the father (who would be held accounable for support), but gladly accepted support from the state.
Socialism, nature or nurture ?
Maybe Obama is the illegitate son of the patriarch that owns the Dole Pineapple plantation! Hmmm….of course, that would make him: Senator Dole.
Hmmm…that would be just too rich.
illegitimate…uh..pardon me.
I opened this blog expecting a strong reaction to Sen. Obama’s $50B plan to boost the economy.
But I find an article about… his birth cirtificate.
*In regards to my first post, I did not get a chance to say that I find it interesting that to some people when the “Left” does something, it’s out of fear, but when the “Right” does the same thing, it’s just trying to get documents in public domain.*
Ditto but not holding breath.
Now about those Clinton files…
Yes indeed. One should have to prove their eligibility to be President of the United States as well as Senator. Age as well as US citizen.
Where is the accountability? Follow the Constitution.
This could easily be a Constitutional crisis.
Does a donkey ring a bell??
Look for this issue to go nowhere. The press will do all they can to stifle the idea that Barack is questionable.
I’m going to give Obama a pass on whatever his mother wrote on his birth certificate. We are not our parents and Obama had no say in what was written on his birth certificate. Let’s not be petty. Let’s leave that to the Liberals.
What we need, is more hope and change.
That’s all it requires to be the leader of the most powerful and influential country in the world.
No birth certificate required.
McCain’s citizenship was a huge non-issue. Like McCain I was born on a military base in Germany. My birth certificate that was issued by the State Dept. reads American Citizen born abroad. To the State Dept. if you are born on a military base abroad, it is considered American soil.
Barack Obama is not legally a U.S. Natural-born citizen according to the law on the books at the time of his birth, which falls between “December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986? . Presidential office requires a natural-born citizen if the child was not born to two U.S. Citizen parents, which of course is what exempts John McCain though he was born in the Panama Canal. US Law very clearly stipulates: “…If only one parent was a U.S. Citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16.” Barack Obama’s father was not a U.S. Citizen and Obama’s mother was only 18 when Obama was born, which means though she had been a U.S. Citizen for 10 years, (or citizen perhaps because of Hawai’i being a territory) the mother fails the test for being so for at least 5 years **prior to** Barack Obama’s birth, but *after* age 16. It doesn’t matter *after* . In essence, she was not old enough to qualify her son for automatic U.S. Citizenship. At most, there were only 2 years elapsed since his mother turned 16 at the time of Barack Obama’s birth when she was 18 in Hawai’i. His mother would have needed to have been 16+5= 21 years old, at the time of Barack Obama’s birth for him to have been a natural-born citizen. As aformentioned, she was a young college student at the time and was not. Barack Obama was already 3 years old at that time his mother would have needed to have waited to have him as the only U.S. Cizen parent. Obama instead should have been naturalized, but even then, that would still disqualify him from holding the office.
*** Naturalized citizens are ineligible to hold the office of President. *** Though Barack Obama was sent back to Hawaii at age 10, all the other info does not matter because his mother is the one who needed to have been a U.S. Citzen for 10 years prior to his birth on August 4, 1961, with 5 of those years being after age 16. Further, Obama may have had to have remained in the country for some time to protect any citizenship he would have had, rather than living in Indonesia. Now you can see why Obama’s aides stopped his speech about how we technically have more than 50 states, because it would have led to this discovery. This is very clear cut and a blaring violation of U.S. Election law. I think the Gov. Of California would be very insterested in knowing this if Obama were elected President without being a natural-born U.S. Citizen, and it would set precedence. Stay tuned to your TV sets because I suspect some of this information will be leaking through over the next several days…
The new thing I keep seeing is the existence of supposed scurrilous e-mails claiming Barak Obama is a Muslim. Terrible, mean spirited Republicans trying to confuse the truth.
Except, of course, born to a Muslim father and a woman who had a thing for Muslim men, never marrying a non-Muslim in her life, Obama was, by Muslim law, a Muslim at birth. Not to mention being registered as a Muslim in Indonesia, or, according to his half-sister, sometimes attending Friday prayers at the masjid with his step-dad in Indonesia.
Now, I don’t think Obama is a Manchurian candidate closet Muslim. Although he became a fluent Arabic speaker in Indonesia as a young boy, I strongly suspect he developed into an agnostic or atheist, when he core beliefs in Marxism were being developed, and his membership at TUCC was a sham to give him street cred.
If I had to guess, BO is an apostate Muslim (by their definition), whose religion is Marx, and whose former affiliation with TUCC was for political purposes, not hurt by the radical amti-American stance of that ‘church’.
The road to every mass murdering dictatorship is paved with “hope and change”. I never have figured out why that is. Why is Comarde Obama afraid of displaying his birth certificate, unless …
Remember the phoney McCain flap about nothing? OK so this might be the same, but then again, why is he doing this?
Wait–so this thing where if you’re born on U.S. soil, you’re a citizen regardless of parentage, is only since 1986?? Is that part of the Ted Kennedy Amnesty? And how soon can we get that repealed so illegal immigrants stop getting knocked up to obtain free benefits?!?!
why doesnt someone just ask Obama?
“lets have a look at your birth certificate there spanky”
keeping it under wraps looks worse…
One thing is for sure: John McCain will not challenge Obama on this. That’s not too surprising since McCain won’t challenge Obama on anything.
If #19 is correct, we could have a Constitutional crisis because our next President will not be eligible to be President, yet no one would enforce the Constitution, so he would have no authority save for the fact that the majority of Americans went awhoring after him.
Very interesting.
Is this all we’ve got on the guy? We’re going to have to do a much better job or this Marxist will be President.
Can’t anyone find a picture of B.O., Rezko, and an envelope full of cash?
How about B.O. on a sailboat with a honey, like the Gary Hart photo?
Sheesh, this is POLITICS, people!
Faux News Alert
Birth Certificate found!
film at 11:00
While you’re chasing private papers, look for the divorce records of John McCain. It seems to have been nasty and does not reflect well on his “character”.
Errah unless he was born before 1780 doesn’t he have to prove proof of being a native born american to become president under the constitution errah?
If there’s something REALLY wrong with his BC, then maybe its worth looking at….until then, i agree with Mrs. Happy Housewife, and that we have bigger fish to fry.
The questions for me are:
What is his birth name? Barry or Barack?
What religion is listed? Muslim, Atheist
Who is listed as the father? They may not have been married when he was born – if at all.
Could not care less what his religion is.
Errah I think the last legitimate hope of a foreign born individual becoming president died with Alexander Hamilton errah.
I wonder if the Obamasiah’s birth certificate will show he is not qualified to be POTUS due to the technicality of not being born in the USA. That would be wonderful!
We won’t have to, Obama X will. Thats how he won his seat in the senate.
The New York Times ran a huge front page article about John McCain being born in the Panama Canal Zone and whether McCain is disqualified to be president. The New York Times ran a huge front page article and an editorial claiming that McCain would not release his medical records to the NY Times. The NY Times did a huge front page article with “unnamed sources” claiming McCain had an extramarital affair. As for Obama, the Times has never once examined his citizenship issues (fair is never fair with the Times) and never addressed his top advisor Jim Johnson getting sweetheart loans from Countrywide that were not available to working folks. This is what passes for fairness at the New York Times.
Mother under the bus in 3,2…
It would seem to me if he got a US passport to travel that birth certificate ought to be around somewhere. Come on people dig it up. In our electronic age if we can’t find it we are a people in deep trouble. I suspect that it does contain info that would enhance the muslim fear factor. Does lgm have a birth certificate or is he a liberal cloning project from a laboratory?
bwaaahaaahhaaaa
A man with NO character speaking about someone else. Now that is rich.
Idiot, I have been divorced as well. It was nasty as most are. But then, this thread is about BHO now isn’t it?
Since we are playing the misdirection game, your mans wife (Michelle O) waited some 30+ years to find something to be proud of about the USA. Now THERE is a lack of character!
When has anyone ever heard the saying “He divorced well” and while the leftys are busy pointing out McCain’s divorce they need to look at the poll of how many “divorced voters” there are in this country who also didn’t “Divorce Well” and see if they don’t have a special empathy for McCain. The Left has tunnel vision they contantly take shots at many People and their shot scatters and hits alot of other people they don’t intend to anger as in the “American Voting Population” Remember when Obama referred to Rural Pennsylvanians as Bitter clinging to their god and guns and didn’t trust people different from them. Well that comment hit all of Rural American People and they didn’t much care for the criticism either. The LEFT has no idea how to win this election just alienate the voting public.
I don’t think he is a practicing or even closet Muslim, despite being raised as one, but I will say, since Islam is a political system disguised as a religion, and sharia law doesn’t recognize the possibility of a separation between church and state, if there was any religion that would tend to disqualify a candidate in my mind, that would be it.
But Obama is probably an atheist, and the closest thing to a religion he has is Alinskyite Marxism.
Hey Dark Knight where did OBAMA say he was going to get that 50 Billion Dollars does he have that kind of pocket change? Or is he going to spend the American People’s money for us?
Maybe this helped drive Hillary not to quit the primaries until the end.
I’m a little concerned that an individual doesn’t have to prove citizenship to run for President. I would think that that would be the first thing required by the powers that be, whatever federal entity is responsible for confirming it. In this day and age of illegal immigration, this could pose a problem down the road.
Does one have to prove citizenship to run for mayor, governor, dog catcher, etc? If not, that’s scary. (OK, maybe not the dog catcher part)
The natrual born thing might be the only issue here, other than that, who cares?
All too true. John McCain buys into everyone of the Obama Teams ‘Off Limits” mandates. The rest of us need not be impressed. This is not just one more Presidential election but a fight for our country and very way of life. John McCain be damned, I am voting against B. Hussein.
For all is Fair in and Love and War and I Love to make War with Obamamania. B. Hussein does seem to have the power to mis-lead many, including John McCain.
Sorry for dismissing some of the hope here but if B. Hussein was born on American soil he is an American Citizen regardess of parental status. We can drag up some old laws, but they have been turned over one way or another. There are a few limited exceptions–diplomatic persons, military persons assigned here per Status of Forces and such, but I am afraid we are stuck with B. Hussein unless we can prove one of his parents was a dog mated with Satan.
G-D Damn AmeriKKK of A.
Sharia will make you free
Have a nice Jihad
The law you’re quoting applies only to a child not born in the U.S. Barack’s mother was born in Kansas, and any child born to her anywhere in the U.S. would automatically be a citizen, regardless of the father’s nationality.
Furthermore, Hawaii became at state in 1959 — two years before Barack Obama was born.
While it’s perfectly legitimate to question why Obama won’t release his birth record, or his college transcripts, misrepresenting facts isn’t the way to go about it.
Can we divorce LGM?
In order to get a security clearance, for example, one must physically show a copy of their birth certificate or naturalization papers. How is it possible for someone to withhold a document such as this when its disclosure is required, by law, for the office to which he wishes to take? If he continues to withhold his birth records, then the Department of Justice really does need to look into this, as the law enforcing branch of the executive branch.
What does he have to risk here? Sure, if he’s not a citizen, then a lot. If he is a natural-born citizen, then what? Maybe a little embarrassment? Sorry for ya, but this is America: we have laws that must be enforced.
legendx3. Good summary and question about his legal qualification to be President of the United States.
This needs to be cleared up by the Supreme Court immediately.
On-my-soap-box said (#37):
Textbook ad hominem.
This thread is about who is more qualified to be President. Whatever flaws Obama has, McCain has ten times over. — character, policies, ethics.
Barry Obama does not recognize his mother because she was white and he is black.
Once again you try to hijack the thread.
Obama College Transcript:
Marxism: A+
Socialism: A+
Soviet History: A+
American History: Dropped
#19, and Dr. Lead, fascinating posts…
I wonder if it’s true?
I doubt it is that he is not a Natural Born US citizen. It is probably something more on the lines of actually being named Barry not Barack. He does not want that to come out as he feels it could hurt his credibility (in his mind).
Perhaps someday we will find out perhaps not, but until then there are things about Obama that we know to be fact (like his countless bad associations with people and his just plain bad policies).
Here is a great picture of Obama on a bicylce ride (pay attention to the rear tire)
Could this be a sign of what will happen to Obama’s campaign?
Truesoldier,
are you sure this isn’t the picture?
Barry O on a bike
Nichevo
interesting nickname …
is that also spelled …
ничего
A birth certificate was required to register my son in pre school, why not show one to be the POTUS?
Obama’s father was not a US citizen. If being a “natural born Citizen” does not mean having parents who were US citizens at the time of birth, it means nothing. A nation is made up of natives, which is nothing if not natural. Thus “naturalization” means the process of becoming a native. Obama should have been naturalized since his father was not a native. Naturalized citizens are ineligible to hold the office of President. Jake Tapper at ABC News posted the following:
The old double standard is back. Kerrys camp more or less forced Bush to show HIS service record, which revealed nothing out of the ordinary. Kerry STILL hasn’t released his. Now look at this and compare !
Hey, Collin, I’m with you. I’m sure I am not the only one intrigued by Hillary’s use of the word, “suspended”, instead of, “ended”, in regard to her campaign. This thing ain’t over.
Oh, and who woke up the pot head ????
DesertLover said (#57):
That would be Nichego. Is it pronounced differently in Russian?
There, by your own words.
Here is mine:
You are still an idiot.
Look don’t sweat it…there are rules and laws for Democrats and there are rules and laws for Rebublicians, they are not the same. The Rebublicans have signed off on this. It will remain this way. We are headed for INTERESTING times.
Would I be alone if I thought that electing someone with Muslim roots is not a very good idea?
While this is a seemingly minor distraction, why not release it?
To work in the US, everyone has to produce a birth certificate to obtain a social security number. To join the military or qualify for a security clearance for any job with the US government, you have to produce a birth certificate.
Obama’s refusal to produce a document that every other American is required to produce for employment in the US only fuels the perception that he believes he is above the law; or that his elite status within his own mind places him high above the common man.
McCain releases his medical and military records – those too were private. McCain’s wife releases her tax records – she was under no obligation whatsoever to release that confidential information. Yet, Obama refuses to provide access to that most simple and basic of documents?
There must be something incredibly damaging on that birth certificate for Obama to risk creating such a negative perception. Does an birth certificate from Hawaii around the time Obama was born list one’s religion?
My husband became a citizen of the U.S.
In order to recieve a U.S. Passport, he had to relinquish his citizenship document, and his birth certificate to the INS. He could not relinquish copies, and it is illegal to copy your certificate of citizenship. Why is it so difficult for Obama to provide any of these documents?
I would suspect she is waiting for Obama to stumble or visit Fort Marcy Park, come over for some raw tomatoes and undercooked chicken. Anything she can do to help.
Good morning lgm. I see you are up early being a real jerk. We all have our hobbies.
I wonder if religion is stated on the birth certificate?
I use to find it laughable when Democrat primary voters around my home county (which is reg and votes ~98% Democrat) would say they were voting for HRC because they believed B. Hussein Obama to be a Muslim. But now, upon reflection of the mounting evidence, I’m beginning to think they were right – that BHO is a secret Muslim.
First, I’m beginning to think the only reason he could inattentively sit in Wright’s church for twenty years is because it was not his religion, pure and simple. He didn’t listen, because he didn’t care.
Second, in the light of the events of 9/11, I’m also wondering why he retains the Hussein part of his name? Unless he clearly identifies with its Muslim connotations, and wants to send a subliminal message to anti-Israel sympathizers-voters in this country, why not drop it?
Third, I find the fact that he allowed the antisemitic scribblings of bigots like Juan Carlos and Jemaah Islamiyah, et. al., stand uncontested on his Obama ’08 site for so long, beyond troubling; I think it very likely to have been an intentional oversight, meant to send a political message after his address to AIPAC believe.
Hey his mother was just a “typical white person” but his father is beyond reproach….as a mostly ARAB!
BHO is carrying on the Democrat legacy fitting the pattern of possessing narscissistic, psychopathic, and sociopathic qualities.
That’s simply not true. He’s never been less than honest about his mixed race heritage, and talks a great deal about his mother in his two books. Actually, his mother died of cancer, and suffered horribly. Obama says that the fact that she was an Athiest, and seemed so spiritually, lonely and lost in death, had a direct impact on his desire to discover faith and religion, namely Christianity, later in life.
I agree with Khan here, and he apparently believes Christ died for his sins.
So what is this thread about then? Is it just more “Tit for tat” partisan, fourth grade, silliness?
LGM where you miss the boat, you poor misguided moron, is that Obama’s birth certificate is a LEGAL REQUIREMENT for proof of eligibility to the office.
McCain’s divorce records are not.
See the difference, you stooge?
So he shouldn’t have to show anyone his BC?
Let’s spin a fun conspiracy theory…
Is this the rumored ‘other shoe’ dropping that we heard about a few days ago from the likes of Bob Beckel?
Let’s assume Clinton knows the truth about this little birth certificate snafu, and let’s assume he isn’t an American citizen. Why didn’t she use it?
Perhaps because that would have looked mean-spirited and underhanded. We know that’s how the Democrat party works – everything has to look fair and nice (even if it isn’t, it still has to look that way). And, probably more importantly, it would look like an 11th hour dirty trick that stole the nomination away from Obama, thus completely alienating a critical core Democrat constituency: blacks.
So, how could she use this information to her advantage while still pulling the black vote back to her (voluntarily)? She could swallow her pride and do the concession thing to make it look like she had the best interests of the party at heart while simultaneously leaking the information to someone else to make public.
Now, if it is proven that Obama can’t become President, Obama is out and the black vote can’t accuse her of stealing the nomination from Obama. She can graciously take up the mantle while fully expecting Obama’s endorsement (because, after all, turnabout is fair play, right?). Voila! It kills two birds with one stone…
I see the morons have to put there 2 cents in LGM=Littlegirlyman and Mistressjustass…A lawyer who is a totillera disgusting….
Jeez – This is such a non issue. Gas is 4 per gallon and folks are making up silly stories about Obama
This could surely explain why Hillary stayed in a race to the last even when she couldn’t win.
What I want to know is how B.HO is going to be able to sit down and talk with Mah-mood Dinner Jacket.
Under the new law, anyone born to a Muslim father who decides to renounce Islam and convert to another faith, faces the death penalty.
He should have to show it and will. Although, citizenship isn’t the issue. The fact that some of you are trying to make a campaign issue out of something that occurred when he was an infant and had no control over baffles me. Did he GaGa-Goo-Goo his views on what should go on the document? Wow, maybe he is the messiah. If I was Obama, I’d let this boil over in right-wing hysteria, and then just email it to every far right websight, surrounded my smiley faces….starting with this one.
I don’t think it’s a non issue to confirm a person’s eligibility to be President. Should we just let anyone run for President?
I thought that was a funny name, but I think I like “Rebumblicans” better.
Aw, nutz! Correction time:[to]stand…
believe.Just off the top of my head, he should have had to produce his birth certificate for any number of reasons for the past few years, but that doesn’t mean he has to make it public. We still haven’t seen Bubba’s medical records.
No father.
Virgin birth.
On June 10th, 2008 at 11:41 am, mistressjustice said:
But when? Clinton always said, or, rather, his people always said, he would release his medical records but never did – I think the same will happen with B.HO’s birth certificate.
On June 10th, 2008 at 11:22 am, 2cents said:
Excellent theory/observation, 2Cents; major agreement here!
and it takes so much to do that. you just gave the excuse that will make 15 million undocumented people very happy.
and one mis documented canidate.
MrOlympia said (#72):
Obama, Sr. came from a Muslim country but was not a practicing Muslim. He was not from an Arab country. He was not an Arab.
Ordinary Coloradan said (#74):
Does he have a passport? Mine gives my birthplace.
lgm
Sorry I didn’t respond sooner … I have been offline for a couple of hours …
In this particular word the Russian is pronounced as it appeared in the English transliteration in the post earlier …
which is the Russian word for the English word “nothing” …
although the letter equivalent for “г” in the English alphabet is “g”, as you correctly noted, this particular word has an unusual pronunciation …
still waiting for a response from the person that posted it as to whether I guessed correctly on this …
As Sgt Schultz would say … “Я не знаю ничего” … I know nothing !!! …
You need a birth certificate to get a passport, I think.
Interesting question. Maybe that is why he will not go to Iraq or Afghanistan (like the first lady has) to see what real progress looks like.
He’s been to Iraq.
Mistressjustsucks the totillera speaks disgusting….Lgm stop smoking that crack…
There are some further things to think about dealing with dual citizenship… and why this could become an issue.
According to Kenya’s law, he can be a dual citizen right up until he reaches the age of majority, and then unless he goes to Kenya and affirms his citizenship he looses it…
Question, anyone seen divorce papers from Barry’s Father?
Apparently she then married an Indonesian, and went to live in Indonesia for almost 5 years.
Question, what passport did Barry travel under? US? Kenyan? or Indonesian?
This becomes very important as under Indonesian law, IF, he was adopted and took Step dad’s name, which he apparently did, then he could be a citizen of Indonesia.
Now, the way dual AMERICAN citizenship seems to work, if you are a dual citizen, but use PAPERS other than from the US, you are tacticly stating you are a citizen of that country. You then have to give Affirmation once you reach 18 that you are a US citizen.
If that never happened, then Barry is NOT a US Citizen, if he used either a Kenyan Passport, or an Indonesian Passport.
You must be a US citizen to be President. This is the question that must be answered, and why I think Hillary suspended her campaign…. she knows, and hopes the Right will dig out this dirt for her.
I stand corrected. 2006. Will not go back and see the progress. I hope that is better.
Apparently it’s enough of an issue for you to comment on.
The gas price issue is solved. We all know it’s Bush/Rove/Cheney/Halliburton and the big evil oil companies gouging us and that taxing them along with the rich will make our lives better.
/sarc
I was just pointing that out in relation to the passport question. I think his lapse in returning is shameful.
This puts his qualifications as a Senator in question as well.