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1. #346275
   On June 10th, 2008 at 5:25 pm, alaskangrizzly said:

   On June 10th, 2008 at 5:20 pm, dakine said:
   And the nutjob bible thumpers make their predicable appearance on this topic. Save the self-righteous religious sanctimony. Seems to me that most of the most notorious sexual deviants throughout history have been Christian clergymen. Just sayin.

   Typical liberal response, can’t debate a topic so call the person speaking about it a nutjob and come up with a strawman argument about some priests who don’t follow the very teachings they espouse to believe in.

2. #346279
   On June 10th, 2008 at 5:27 pm, alaskangrizzly said:

   When we’re talking politics, culture, etc, we are most certainly discussing man’s law. Because until we get to the afterlife, that’s the only law that applies universally in these discussions.

   So assuming you believe in an afterlife and a God, you would argue to God after you died that you found his rules unbearable and unfollowable while under the system of man?

3. #346282
   On June 10th, 2008 at 5:28 pm, Rusty said:

   I am not saying it isn’t a sin. I am saying what Christians consider sins is not the same as what is legal or illegal or even what should be legal or illegal.

   Do you really want to force people to live by your moral code? How does that make you better than Islamic countries that do the same?

   And I know the comparison fails under close inspection because Jesus preaches forgiveness and charity while Islamic theocracies are preaching nothing good.

   But the point remains that when you force people to live by a religious code, those people are no longer free.

4. #346285
   On June 10th, 2008 at 5:30 pm, Rusty said:

   Unbearable and unfollowable? Of course not. But I would certainly say that what other people do is none of my business.

   Why would you advocate forcing agnostics and atheists to adhere to a system that they don’t believe in. A system that deprives them of privacy and liberty?

5. #346287
   On June 10th, 2008 at 5:31 pm, alaskangrizzly said:

   Do you really want to force people to live by your moral code? How does that make you better than Islamic countries that do the same?

   You assume I want to enforce something as law. I don’t, if people want to do that they are going to regardless if it is a sin or not.

   I merely point out that I should not and will not advocate pushing for taxpayer dollars to go towards someone else’s extra-maritial activities. If they want to do that, they can suck it up and take the personal responsibilites that come with it such as possibly getting an STD for their sleeping around with people and buy their own condoms on their own dime.

6. #346289
   On June 10th, 2008 at 5:32 pm, max said:

   Rusty said:
   But the point remains that when you force people to live by a religious code, those people are no longer free.

   uh, hence our Constitution…does this point really need to be made Grizzly?

7. #346341
   On June 10th, 2008 at 6:33 pm, dakine said:

   I’m far from a liberal grizzly. No strawman either. Repressive religious dogma has a way of leading to sexual deviancy and hypocrisy.

8. #346375
   On June 10th, 2008 at 7:10 pm, Rusty said:

   I merely point out that I should not and will not advocate pushing for taxpayer dollars to go towards someone else’s extra-maritial activities.

   So you’d rather these poor people get Valtrex or AZT prescriptions on the taxpayer dime? Or do you want people who can’t afford STD medication to go untreated because of their sinful actions?

   And where in the Gospels does Jesus say “Suck it up.” For all we know, the blind people he healed got their condition from the syph!

9. #346380
   On June 10th, 2008 at 7:17 pm, les said:

   Alaskangrizzly #97 “Is what Jesus preached the truth?”

   What Jesus preached is love and forgiveness, neither of which you find much of from most poster on this site. Spewing doctrine does not make one a good Christian.

10. #346399
    On June 10th, 2008 at 7:46 pm, Send_Me said:

    What do AIDS, syphilis, or any other STD have in common? They are contracted through a choice of behavior. What do Lou Gehrig’s Disease, Alzheimer’s, and breast cancer have in common? They are not contracted by any known choice of an individual. I ask then why the government should pay for the treatment of people who acquire diseases through their own choices? STDs are the results of behavior; ergo, such behavior is by definition “risky.” Why should the government subsidize “risky” behavior over providing funds for further research for cures of non-behavior-related diseases? Maybe this argument will help silence those who wish not to respond to arguments pertaining to morality.

11. #346410
    On June 10th, 2008 at 8:02 pm, DBNinKY said:

    On June 10th, 2008 at 7:46 pm, Send_Me said:
    

    I ask then why the government should pay for the treatment of people who acquire diseases through their own choices?

    Hear, hear, Send_Me!

12. #346467
    On June 10th, 2008 at 9:23 pm, atheling said:

    On June 10th, 2008 at 6:33 pm, dakine said:

    I’m far from a liberal grizzly. No strawman either. Repressive religious dogma has a way of leading to sexual deviancy and hypocrisy.

    You are a libertine, dakine. You have no moral backbone – you simply want to have the freedom to do as you choose with no consequences. Well, people don’t live in vacuums. What people do affects others. And you are ignorant because you fail to recognize the damage that an immoral society creates, especially towards children, who are the most helpless members of said society.

    The reason why you are a “fiscal conservative”, as you previously claim, is not based on any kind of fiscal responsibility, it’s simply because you are a stingy cheapskate who hates the idea of money going to others when you can hoard it yourself. You are the reason why the Left call conservatives “mean”. You are the poster boy for all that is considered “evil” in capitalism by the Left, (when in fact, capitalism is a force for good). In essence, you are the useful idiot for the Left.

    Not only are you an ignorant and blind person, but you are a mean spirited, spiteful, ignorant, and vicious creep. There is no worse type of human being than your sort, dakine. Leftards like lgm or rusty may be stupid, but they do not possess the malice evidenced by you.

    Your type of malice is the sort one sees in those boys who gunned down the students at Columbine: self absorbed, selfish and cruel. Your personality mirrors those of serial killers like Ted Bundy, who, because they think only of their own personal gratification, bear no moral compass in their actions.

    You, dakine, are the lowest of the low in society. Empty, malignant, ignorant, selfish and cruel, your attitude and belief are what shapes the forces of evil in this world. You and your ilk are the type that creates the horrors we see in the papers every day.

13. #346477
    On June 10th, 2008 at 9:31 pm, love2rumba said:

    Of course we will have to pay for it.

14. #346559
    On June 11th, 2008 at 12:07 am, dakine said:

    atheling, you know nothing about me, and there is nothing Christian about the tone and content of any of your posts. BTW, your comment about Columbine is reprehensible. We live about 15 minutes from the high school, and my family had a friend who died that day. Check yourself. A further BTW (and as I stated in another thread), how sad is it that your “moral compass” is based on a fear of being punished with eternal damnation and the reward of a trip to “heavan”. My moral compass is based on living my life by a code consisting of honor, integrity, loyalty and compassion. My morality is hard wired by societal evolution and the values instilled by my parents. I believe that there are two kinds of people in the world. Those that are more decent than not, more often than not and those that are not. You show yourself around these parts to be in the latter category. Have a nice evening.

15. #348061
    On June 12th, 2008 at 10:20 am, DaveC said:

    Rusty.. how will passing out condoms help prevent the spread of something like Herpes that is passed by casual contact?

    Even with normal condom use, people can still catch herpes elsewhere on the body..

    So the Valtax prescription will still have to come in handy.

16. #348108
    On June 12th, 2008 at 10:47 am, Straight_Talk_Luigi said:

    Study after study has shown that abstinence education does not lead to higher abstinence rates. If teenagers are going to be sexually active no matter what, I’d prefer they know how to put a condom on.

    To quote Dave C: condoms don’t work against herpes.

    In fact, Rusty, many people don’t know about contraception beyond a condom, much less how to use them.

    Even with condoms, they are prone to get removed during intercourse, sometimes without one of the partner’s knowing.

    You’ll never hear that in your precious liberal surveys.

    I bet if see-dubya or Mrs. Malkin put pictures of contraception on here, most folks wouldn’t even recognize it much less what to do with it.

    Abstinence is the best way, and it does work. We just need to teach our kids personal responsibility.

17. #348112
    On June 12th, 2008 at 10:49 am, Straight_Talk_Luigi said:

    Where’s LGM? I thought liberals are all about health issues?