The city that never sleeps…
…is busy sleeping around. And paying the consequences. A new report yesterday revealed that New Yorkers have a higher-than-average rate of genital herpes than the rest of the nation, despite NYC government officials giving out 48 million free condoms since 2007 to help curb infections.
Via City Room:
The new study found that the genital herpes virus was more common among women than men (36 percent versus 19 percent), among blacks than whites (49 percent versus 14 percent), and among men who have sex with men than those who don’t (32 percent versus 18 percent).
The study, published this month in the journal Sexually Transmitted Diseases, was the first measurement of New York City’s infection rate; the national rate has declined in recent years. The data came from the city’s Health and Nutrition Examination Survey, which was conducted in 2004 among a representative sample of New York City adults 20 or older. Of the 1,999 people enrolled in the survey, 1,784 were tested for HSV-2.
The Health Department received more than 65,000 reports of sexually transmitted infection in 2007 alone, and its rates of gonorrhea, chlamydia and infectious syphilis are above the national average. And the department reported last fall that H.I.V. infection is increasing among young men who have sex with men.
Perhaps ABC News should do a follow-up on the Sex and The City effect.
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Don’t you mean the city that sleeps together…..a lot ! ?
I have a solution that’s cheap, effective, and doesn’t take money away from programs such breast cancer, Lou Gehrig’s Disease, or Alzheimer’s research: step 1) men, keep your zippers up, 2) women, keep your legs closed.
Sorry for ya, but actions have consequences. Quit using my money to subsidize irresponsible behavior.
Bingo.
Alright, explain to me again how “safe sex” education is better than abstinance education? I keep hearing “experts” tell us that abstinance won’t work, even though that’s what God says to do. But, “safe sex” education will work, even though facts like this show that it won’t.
Remind me not to marry someone from NYC unless I have a masochistic or death wish. Of course, the responsible citizens will be forced to pick up the tab, again.
I’d love to see the liberals vs. conservatives distinction in NYC too, though I’m pretty sure I know how the numbers will fall.
Oh oh oh, we don’t want to condemn these sexually OVERACTIVE people, it will hurt their feeeeelings. Yeah right. Any thinking person should not use Sex in The City as an example of how to behave. Look what can happen. (in the REAL world)
Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!!!!!
Correct me if I’m wrong, but no one’s ever died from not having sex, right?
But having lots of sex can lead to illness, if not death. Yet let’s throw more condoms and more birth control at kids! And, hey, let’s start this in 6th grade! We have a right to sleep with whoever (or whatever) we please, consequences be damned. The taxpayers will foot the bill for our treatment!
Condoms aren’t failsafe. Disease is still spread even with “perfect” use…
The best, safest way to protect against STDs and unplanned pregnancies.
Nothing like giving away 12 condoms for every male in the city.
Herpes…the gift that keeps on giving.
Disgusting. A city full of democrats spreading diseases amongst themselves.
Thank God I’m no where near that cesspool.
“The new study found that the genital herpes virus was more common among women than men (36 percent versus 19 percent), among blacks than whites (49 percent versus 14 percent), and among men who have sex with men than those who don’t (32 percent versus 18 percent).”
Can any statistician out there tell me if it is possible to determin from the above information what % of people comprising more than one of these groups might have the disease? For example White females or White non-gay males? Can it be done or is more information needed?
Six out of thirteen respondents to this NYT article claim that these infection numbers reflect a lack of funding for sexual health and education in NYC, and a few even claim that if money wasn’t being diverted to Iraq, these numbers would be lower!
Public and private funding for “minority” and “homosexual” health issues increase every year…and these are the results we get?
If this story alone doesn’t highlight the folly of the American Left, what does?
48 million free condoms since 2007 to help curb infections…
Good grief, it’s a panic..it’s condomonium.
Genital herpes virus, the gift that keeps on giving… for life.
But at least we have the Rusty’s of the world more than willing to spend our tax dollars to give out free condoms and “educate” the masses about how to avoid getting herpies. I’d rather nip the root cause in the butt, but that requires personal responsibility which is the new taboo of this era.
Herpes: the gift that keeps on giving.
Whats a condom, I thought it was a high rise apartments, I guess you have to have one of those to live in NY, and STDs live in their too? is that like a high dollar roach?
condommint anyone?
“Help curb” infections?!
Can you imagine being a sexually active homosexual black dude in NYC?
Big Tobacco paid a heavy price for marketing a “safe” cigarette in attempts to help those who were going to smoke anyway.
What do epidemiological rates need to exceed to before “health” organizations are sued out of existence for marketing and promoting a remedy for public health that is as ridiculous as a healthy cigarette?
I’m reminded of Professor Irwin Corey’s recommendation for the best drug for controlling STD’s and unwanted pregnancies: ‘Sulfa Denial’
More consequences from Leftist policies (sex ed, condom free-for-alls, etc) and the moral decay of the nation, aided by Hollywood and the “anything goes” mentality. Sigh…
the article states: “Most people infected with the herpes virus have little or no symptoms because their bodies are able to fight it off.”
So… what exactly is the big problem here? Herpes is just one of a great many retorviruses present in the body… ever get a cold sore? You have herpes.
Modern medicine and science have a vested interest in keeping everyone in a state of fear vis-a-vis their own mortality.. read this:http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/HealthSci/Threat_of_global_AIDS_epidemic_over/articleshow/3116083.cms
fyi: Nobody gets out of here alive…
or if you prefer: “Life is an incurable sexually tranmsmitted disease.”
Don’t look at me yo – I’m not a statistic.
Even with 1 in 20 of those condoms popping, NYC should have better stats. Perhaps the condoms were actually used for wacky water balloons or a condom-covered sex parade float. Makes sense in NYC, right?
Wise man #12 –
“Disgusting. A city full of democrats spreading diseases amongst themselves. Thank God I’m no where near that cesspool.”
It Probably has to do with NYC’s proximity to Washington. Why just last night I saw David Vitter, Larry Craig, Vito Fossella, Mark Foley and Rudy Giuliani stuffing fistfuls of those free condoms in their pockets. Guess they’re stocking up for the Republican convention. Hear McCain’s first wife might even make an appearance, that is if she can crawl out from under the bus.
Before you accuse Democrats of cornering the market on “spreading diseases amongst themselves”, you should check out these sights. And you know what, NYC is glad you’re no where near it.
http://www.salem-news.com/articles/october172007/repub_scandals_10_17_07.php
http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/Republican_Sex_Scandals#2008
http://www.conservativesexscandals.com/newscandals.html
les,
Republicans may sometimes be dirty dogs sniffing where they shouldn’t, but how often do they leave their dates at the bottoms of lakes?
Runnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!
WOWIE- WOW, WOW, WOW! I know abstinence is a joke to most of these people, liberal N-Yorkers, but come on – at least be responsible!
Such an ignorant statement. Are you one of lgm’s students? Have you ever taken a biology or microbiology course? Do you know the difference between:
The genital version of Herpes
The cold sore version of Herpes
I don’t usually result to insults, but when you pass off the statement you made as fact you are not only a liar or a fool but a moron.
Everyone at some point in their life will most likely get cold sores in the mouth. Not everyone will get genetial herpes that will flare on and off again for life because the two types of the virus are completely different in how they affect the body and how they are transmitted.
And what does conservative sex scandals have to do with NYC’s herpies problem? Classy statement btw, you must be a liberal.
Correction on my typo…
do with NYC’s herpes*
Michelle, I have the perfect video to go along with this blog subject: It is the video from ET where ET keeps saying:”Elliot” !!!!
Yeah, that’s funny. If you look at large populations that vote democrat (New York City) you will see a higher percentage of the results of what they believe in – i.e. in this case, sexually transmitted disease.
And a large population that vote republican? Like Salt Lake city in Utah, traditionally very conservative … no where near the levels of infection caused from sleeping around with anyone and anything at the drop of a hat.
Nice try.
And here’s another funny guy.
Hey look at that folks, it’s the guy telling conservatives to f’off yesterday making a crack about insulting other people. Good stuff.
Did you ever decide on whether you would have voted for Hindenburg or Hitler? Since they were the only two “choices of possible winners” in the 1932 German election.
“The data came from the city’s Health and Nutrition Examination Survey, which was conducted in 2004 among a representative sample of New York City adults 20 or older“.
So 1,999 people on public assistance in 2004 represent a city of 8 million? Seems like an election year scare tactic for more funding to me.
I would point out that there was an aim to the discussion, and you shot about thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat far left of the target, chief.
You’re comparing the scandles of politicians to the 8 MILLION+ people in NYC. Wow, nice stretch.
Should we, for review, go over the sex scandles of Democrats?
But thanks for trying to make a point that there are scum politicians that people here *denounce* regularly (whether they are democrat or republican, which i dont see KOS doing, right?) for their actions, even if you’re unable to stay on the actual topic.
Thanks for playing, lgm-lite.
You are mistaken again.
I wasn’t telling conservatives anything.
I was talking to trolls.
You’re welcome.
You are very good at presenting strawman arguments.
OH, By the way…..
just in case you’re wondering, wikipedia has this list on its entry “Political scandals of the United States”…click on the Sex Scandles tab in its Table of Contents link for the following:
I would point out that just a cursory glance at those names…that 9 out of the 10 are Democrats.
Isn’t that ironic?
ever get a cold sore? You have herpes.
fact.
And every human body contains cancer cells. So does that mean everyone goes for radiation therapy right now?
Weak argument with no point. Try harder.
And you are very good at dodging questions that expose the fallacy of your argument that a vote for anyone else than McCain is a vote for Obama. I guess if I was a German in 1932 and had voted on principle for a conservative other than Hinderburg who was senile you would have accused me of indirectly giving the election to Hitler.
A choice between two evils is no choice at all, it is state sponsored torture. We lose either way.
abstract…
the article states: “Most people infected with the herpes virus have little or no symptoms because their bodies are able to fight it off.”
little or NO symptoms? In other words, “most” of these people probably didn’t even KNOW they had herpes… wrap your (abstract) mind around that…
Hey alaskangrizzly .. we’re talking about New York City, and the same people who overwhelmingly vote democrat that are overwhelmingly spreading disease.
How about you do the same?
Umm are you really this stupid? It’s a rhetorical question.
The reason they didn’t know they had GENITAL herpes is because it doesn’t show its symptoms all the time. Grow a brain and realize the difference medically between the two types of herpes.
Pot, meet kettle.
Oh, but i have
I believe the phrase from above was “keep your zippers up and keep your legs closed”.
Its the behavior that people participate in that propogates the virus. Its that people don’t regularly monitor their health, risky behavior or not, that causes people to be ignorant of their conditions. Just claiming their ignorance of their health, when whether they had symptoms or not, is weak at best. If you and your partner have herpes and you’re active with them and only them…no one else is catching it from that activity. When your F buddy goes across the way and sleeps with someone else…well, guess what? Doesn’t matter if they know it or not, they’ve just infected someone else. Again, behavior problem. People not keeping tabs on their health, and participating in activities that spread this type of illness…there ya go.
That’s not really abstract. That’s common sense.
I’ve not only wrapped my (abstract) mind around it, but i’ve also defused your statements, destroyed any possible argument you have, and still am at work handling business. If you want to make a point about something that has some basis on the discussion thats longer than a sentence or so, and has bearing on the discussion, feel free. Otherwise, have a nice day.
Genital herpes causes all kinds of health problems and can be dangerous if it’s passed to a baby from an infected pregnant woman. It’s hardly harmless.
The problem, aside from New Yorkers who can’t keep their pants on, is that herpes got put on the backburner to AIDS. People are FAR more likely to get herpes, gay or straight, than AIDS. Moreover, thanks to where those tricky sores are located, condoms don’t always guarantee protection from herpes. Most people don’t know that because the “experts” have only talked about AIDS the past 20-25 years.
Maybe Nanny Bloomberg can hand out free Valtrex instead of condoms to his diseased citizenry.
WOWZER WOWZER WOWZER, that is a lot of sleeping around. Sleeping being a euphemism of course. Disease is a pretty high price to pay for a ‘good time’. I am once again sorry America has ceased being a Christian Nation. Morals are important for many reasons.
You must crack yourself up.
There are two subtypes of Herpes simplex virus (HSV). HSV1 is typically the type found on the mouth. HSV2 is usually the type found on the genitals. The symptoms of HSV2 are usually more severe. The types can be interchanged, e.g. HSV1 can be found on the genitals, and vice versa and this usually occurs as a result of oral sex. HSV can be transmitted without the infected individual having any symtoms (asymptomatic shedding). There is no cure for HSV (it hijacks nerve cells and integrates into the cell’s DNA), but the symptoms can be lessoned with antiviral medications e.g. Valtrex. While some people have no symptoms, others with perfectly healthy immune systems suffer frequent painful breakouts. Bottom line–it’s better to be monogamous and before starting a sexual relationship you should both be tested for HSV if you have been sexually active.
AMEN!
Let’s not forget that STDs among teens is skyrocketing despite the liberal-endorsed sex education they get at school. It ain’t working, and the answer is chastity.
Those stating that “if you ever got/get a cold sore, you have herpes” are 100%…
Right.
If you were in High School or College during the 1980’s, herpes was the “big scare.” It was the Global Warming of its day, right until AIDS de-throned it.
We were hammered on the enormous effect that herpes would have on those that caught it, and how you could catch it with a kiss, or how someone with a cold sore could transmit it to you via oral sex.
Which, btw, is true.
But, it’s HSV, gang, and it’s insanely common. If you ever get cold sores – and don’t tell me that you don’t – you have it.
Take a read:
http://www.herpesonline.org/faq.html
Most of the time, like bacteria, it’s no big deal.
Some of the time, as seen in the chilling photos that they show in Health classes, it can be big-time bad news.
Shingles, blindness, etc. – nasty. Just like some bacteria are nasty.
HPV? HIV? Syph? Those are big deals. HSV? Usually not.
“NYC has herpes! NYC has herpes!”
Since when do you listen to the press?
NYC has herpes. Yes, it does. So does Peoria, Boise, and Austin.
So what?
Yeah, that’s funny. If you look at large populations that vote democrat (New York City) you will see a higher percentage of the results of what they believe in – i.e. in this case, sexually transmitted disease.
You are very wrong about this. Look up the stats. The higest STD rate are usually in Republican states.
Rank Primary and secondary syphilis Chlamydia Gonnorhea
1 Louisiana (7.6) Alaska (681.8) Mississippi (257.1)
2 Alabama (7.0) Mississippi (650.5) South Carolina (242.5)
3 Georgia (6.4) South Carolina (525.3) Louisiana (240.6)
4 Nevada (5.7) New Mexico (509.7) Alabama (234.0)
5 Maryland (5.4) Alabama (502.8) Georgia (216.8)
6 California (5.1) Hawaii (435.1) North Carolina (199.4)
7 Texas (4.7) Georgia (429.6) Delaware (176.0)
8 Tennessee (4.2) Delaware (428.6) Missouri (175.9)
9 New Mexico (4.1) Tennessee (424.6) Ohio (167.4)
10 Florida (4.0) Illinois (419.8) Tennessee (162.6)
Well the only thing that cracked me up was the idea of Max coming into the clinic and asking for help with his “herpes”. Because upon questioning about his herpes and asking about where the lesions are occuring and if he responded with “have you ever had a cold sore, you have herpes” I would have had to refrain from wanting to burst out in laughter at patient Max.
On June 10th, 2008 at 12:44 pm, RobM1981 said:
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Thanks Rob, you summed up what I was trying to get at….it seems some people are more than willing to swallow the media’s pill when it suits their agenda, other times not….
and please guys, i am NOT NOT NOT a liberal, so don’t start….
Now that’s funny.
The risk of Sexually Transmitted Diseases (STD) is only one of the reasons I have found it wise not to screw around on Mrs. Boomer in our 26 years of courtship and marriage. She is a very forgiving woman that would sew me in the sheets while I was a sleep and beat me with a baseball bat should I ever stray then take me for all I am worth. Fear can be a very healthy thing in more ways than one!
I like you Boomer. You said it all. In my 40+ years with Mr. Swmbo, I have followed that same path. Fear can be a healthy thing.
I looked up herpes, and there was a photo of wise_man.
It must be true coz I read it on teh interweb.
Boomer,
I like Mrs. Boomer. Good woman.
Fear is a great thing. It’s what keeps us from much stupidity.
Using that logic, however, liberals must be fearless. It seems the only thing they are afraid of is Global Warming and the price of arugula…
I wasn’t aware only Republican’s lived in Republican states. To bad, as I’d move to one in a heart-beat and enjoy low state taxes.
A lot of people are jumping to conclusions based on improper assumptions. Since the info given deals with demopgrahic subsets you have to deal with the subset data, not state demographic/politcal affiliation data.
So what’s the proposed solution? Stop distributing condoms so that there’s more unprotected sex?
Or is simply saying that people should be more responsible the solution?
Sorry to hear about your STD, nyc123me. Are you also a democrat?
Um, I can just as easily say the same thing with “conservative-endorsed abstinence education.”
Study after study has shown that abstinence education does not lead to higher abstinence rates. If teenagers are going to be sexually active no matter what, I’d prefer they know how to put a condom on.
We’re in a pretty sad boat if the only determinate as to whether or not people practice safe sex is whether or not they’re getting free condoms.
Rusty it seems that, in spite of the clar evidence of failure, you’d prefer to do something just to say that something is being done.
How long until the dems try and get GlazoSmithKline to pay a windfall profits tax for all the valtrex they must be selling?
Clearly this is all Big Pharm’s fault.
Context my liberal friend, context. Conservative-endorsed abstinence teaching was the “norm” for most of the history of this country until the 60’s nearly 200 years later.
The reason you can claim the efforts to revitalize an old message is not working is because it is competing against the “anything goes, just make sure your wearing a condom” worldview pushed by evil peddlers like you. If teenagers have 40 years or so of people that have lived that worldview to its extreme as its role models you think it is going to be quick change to get them to realize sleeping with everything that moves is generally a bad idea?
I garuntee you the people who abstainted from sex before marriage (both husband and wife) have no fears of contracting an STD from each other.
abstained*
There’s no clear evidence of failure. Above average levels of genital herpes is not necessarily failure. There isn’t a mass outbreak or anything.
And condoms are expensive. Prohibitively so to some. So, yeah, free condoms are probably preventing genital herpes. Want to see what the rates are in NYC if those programs are suspended?
If two people truly abstained, then, yeah. But you can never be 100% sure so it’s best to get tested no matter what. And if one those people is unfaithful…
And now we see where the liberals get their ideologies from everything to sex to paying your mortgage. Scary isn’t it.
So you would rather fund illicit activities than attack the root source which can be described as “if it feels good, do it”.
Got it.
Me, I am for personal responsibility. You got genital herpies because you were sleeping around? That’s your own fault, maybe the next time your sensitive parts have lesions you’ll actually learn from that mistake and curb your behavior.
herpes*
So what do you call when you’ve spent millions of dollars passing out condoms to prevent STDs and you have a higher infection rate than a city that didn’t spend millions of dollars passing out problems? I call it a failed program.
Way to throw personal responsibility out the window. I guess the idea of not having casual sex if you can’t pay for protection was never an idea that was considered.
Seeing as there’s no clear evidence that the program worked, my guess would be that those rates would remain unchanged. In fact, you could easily look at the infection rate prior to the program starting to ascertain whether or nor there was any impact. I wouldn’t doubt that when the STD journal article gets published, its not available yet, that they have data from an earlier survey. Until then, both you and I are merely speculating.
It’s not a subsidy. It’s an investment. If people are getting sick because they’re too poor to afford condoms, then those same people are going to be treated on the government dime no matter what. Condoms are cheaper than Valtrex prescriptions.
Also, why are you referring to sex as an illicit activity? Do you know some laws that I don’t?
And since you decided to bring up the housing crisis, here’s a long article from today’s Post about the government subsidizing the very mortgages that got people into trouble in the first place. The government, under both Clinton and Bush, pushed for poorer people to obtain subprime mortgages. Think about that next time you tell people to suck it up. The taking on more than you can chew was actively encouraged by the government.
Obviously CINO.
You’re assuming that cities that have condom distribution programs aren’t seeing herpes rates drop. The national rate has dropped significantly this century and if you think that’s because people decided to live an abstinent lifestyle, you’re fooling yourself.
Only people having casual sex are poor? What about impoverished married couples? Or impoverished people in monogamous relationships. It’s estimated that one in six Americans has a form of genital herpes…this isn’t exactly out of the question.
Well, AK, at least you’re honest that you want to legislate your religious beliefs. The rest of us on Planet Earth know that sex with a consenting adult is not only legal, but Constitutional. (Thanks Lawrence v TX!)
Calling sex illicit is ridiculous. That’s like saying my recent purchase of shrimp and pork was illicit.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but do we not live in a culture that is basically saturated with sexual imagery, sex-based entertainment, sex-themed clothing, and sex-laden language?
I dare say that this is the primary beef that radical muslims have with the USA. What is the one thing that we export the most? Culture. Movies and entertainment are still our largest export (although India and China are no longer watching as much of our stuff, but I digress…)
And what does that culture contain? Great entertainment, like the namesake of this thread, Sex and the City? Or what about “safe” movies, like Transformers (did you like the scene where the parents are so proud that their son is – I will use euphemisms here – “touching himself?”).
What about television? Seen anything on TV outside of the Food or Travel networks that wasn’t soaked in sexual language, sexual innuendo, simulated sex, documented sex, or graphic sexual activity?
Anyone been to a mall lately? Do you like the subtle posters in the windows of Victoria’s Secret? You know, the ones where the women are wearing nothing but panties and angel wings? But, hey, at least they cover their nipples with their hands, right? Nothing sexual about that, right?
Abercrombie is nice, too, eh? No sexual connotations there…
Does anyone here really believe that the difference between our kids being sexually active or not rests with whether the schools give out condoms?
Really?
Try this one on for size: if you do not actively – ACTIVELY – talk to your kids about sex by the time they are 12, you are a fool. If you do not ACTIVELY keep an open channel between father and son, or mother and daughter (preferably), you are playing with fire.
Even if you do talk to your kids regularly, kids are kids and stuff happens. There are no guarantees. But if you don’t take the active role, you really stack the deck against you.
I promise you that even if you don’t have the internet in your house where your kids can use it (unlikely, since that’s where homework is done), they are seeing hardcore web porn by the time they are 14. Guaranteed.
That kid a few doors down from you – you know, the one who you tell your son/daughter “don’t let me catch you in that house while his/her mother is at work…” is looking at hardcore porn and is showing it to your kids. If they can get your kids in their house to watch with them, they will. If not, the printer will suffice.
Either way, your kid is bombarded with innuendo, imagery, and peer pressure beyond anything that you ever dreamt of.
You either engage, or suffer the consequences.
I would be very interested to see the demographic information on those 16.66 (ad infinitum) % of the population with genital herpes. That alone would be very telling of the battle of the worldviews. But alas those kind of hard statistics don’t exist where each and every case of genital herpies is recorded and documented and publically available along with their: ethnicity, age, gender, political affiliation, etc.
But at least the study above done on 1,784 New Yorker’s was a tiny sampling of a much larger population of HSV-2 carriers to ponder on the impacts of an everything goes mentality pushed by their evil peddlers.
Calling sex out of marriage illicit is Biblical. And Christians are not the only ones who abide by that God given standard of purity.
Your example of pork and shrimp only shows your ignorance of scripture as you have woefully shown in the past. I have in the past pointed you to good sources on hermeneutics, and scripture that you obviously ignored. Your loss.
No, pork and shrimp are illicit under Kashrut. This isn’t a misinterpretation of Scripture. It’s Jewish dietary law.
But if we were having a conversation about shrimp subsidies, me calling shrimp illicit would be pretty stupid.
The same applies to your use of the word regarding sex.
Rusty.. even with a condom it still possible to get herpes..
it’s more of skin to skin contact than the act of coitus..
so unless you practice safe sex with a full body condom.. chances are you can get herpes even if you are covered..
fact of causal contact..
Only in your mind my wayward friend.
Explain the difference.
YES! Sitting on one’s hands and keeping one’s mouth shut pretty much keeps away all sorts of sexually transmitted diseases.
Of course one may not live quite as “happily” as one would otherwise, but at least one lives.
Whose laws do you follow? Mammon or God’s?
Verily I say unto you my wayward friend if everyone took the Lord Jesus’s words for the very truth it is and understood that the consquences of sin is death then it would of great pain for you to see people not only endulging in sin but gleefully doing so.
Verily I say unto you my wayward friend if everyone took the Lord Jesus’s words for the very truth it is and understood that the consquences of sin is death then it would of great pain for you to see people not only endulging in sin but gleefully doing so.
i don’t usually resort to insults, but….perhaps you should crawl back under the rock you came from. Sex outside marriage may be a sin to you but it is NOT against the laws of the United States of America … my friend (channeling John McC.).
And you answered the question of God or Mammon quite well. Thank you.
And you answered the question of God or Mammon quite well. Thank you.
Now do you feel so superior? Perhaps you should look at the beam in your own eye (just a suggestion).
Oh, I have a very big beam in my eye. Thanks for pointing it out. But my point still stands and you at least had the courage to answer the question.
AK, how is it different for you to say everyone should follow your religious beliefs and for me to say that everyone should be Kosher? Or a more extreme example, that women should have to cover their faces in public?
Oh, I get it, since you believe it, it is right. What others believe doesn’t matter.
DB, I know what you’re saying is right, but you and I know it’s not that simple. Telling people not to have sex has been a Sisyphean task for just about ever.
And the nutjob bible thumpers make their predicable appearance on this topic. Save the self-righteous religious sanctimony. Seems to me that most of the most notorious sexual deviants throughout history have been Christian clergymen. Just sayin.
AK, by all means please live under your God’s law. I wouldn’t expect any less. Just don’t expect others to.
When we’re talking politics, culture, etc, we are most certainly discussing man’s law. Because until we get to the afterlife, that’s the only law that applies universally in these discussions.
But noble, clean and the correct tact to take nonetheless.
What I believe matters not. The question you really need to ask is:
Is what Jesus preached the truth? If so, and merely looking with lust is a sin nevermind actually following through with it outside of marriage what does that say for you?