D’OH-bama’s mortgage industry mess Update: Jim Johnson thrown under the bus
Scroll for updates…2:55pm Eastern breaking…Jim Johnson off of Obama veep committee…another one under the bus…stay tuned for more…See-Dubya knew it was coming and was ready to deploy the jacked-up Obama bus photoshop…distraction! distraction!…Riddle from commenter Jim M.: “What’s the new name for an advisor to the Obama campaign? Answer: Speed bump…
My syndicated column this week looks at Barack Obama’s vetter dodgeball. More here, here, and here. Judging from the buried media mentions of this issue (update: it did make WaPo A1, but little mention on TV so far), looks like Obama’s won this Washington game. (Update: Or maybe not! Mirabile dictu.)
The WSJ weighs in on the friends of Barack and asks: “Is this what you mean by bringing change to Washington?” Round-up from NY magazine here.
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D’OH-bama’s mortgage industry mess
by Michelle Malkin
Creators Syndicate 2008
If you’re going to promise “new politics,” it would probably be wise to eschew the same old Beltway cronies and insiders who have served past presidential nominees of yore.
And if you’re going to attack political opponents for playing “textbook Washington games,” it would probably be best not to play them yourself. If you do, you’ll end up tongue-tied in front of the cameras, hung by your own holier-than-thou rhetoric, and faced once again with the decision to throw another bad choice under the bus.
Yes, Barack Obama, we’re talking about you. Again. It’s getting mighty crowded under that bus, isn’t it?
Last week, D’Oh-bama announced the appointment of D.C. denizens Jim Johnson and Eric Holder to head his veep search committee–along with a Kennedy (Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg) thrown in for glamorous good measure. John McCain supporters rightly jumped on Johnson and Holder as shady Washington operators. Holder was the Clinton Justice Department official in the middle of the sleazy pardon for fugitive financier Marc Rich.
Johnson, who has advised past failed Democrat nominees Walter Mondale and John Kerry, was CEO of the beleaguered, government-backed mortgage giant, Fannie Mae. Over the weekend, the Wall Street Journal reported that Johnson accepted more than $7 million in below-market-rate loans from scandal-plagued subprime lender Countrywide Financial Corp. The company’s CEO, Angelo Mozilo, had set up a very special loan program for his high-powered pals. Johnson had named Mozilo to Fannie Mae’s national advisory committee more than a decade ago and they maintained a cozy friendship.
Mozilo also happens to be one of Obama’s fattest targets in his frequent broadsides against the demons of the mortgage industry. Obama likened Mozilo to a virus in March: “These are the people who are responsible for infecting the economy and helping to create a home foreclosure crisis.” Channeling Jesse Jackson, Obama further chided: “These executives crossed the line to boost their bottom line.” During the battle with Hillary, Obama campaign manager David Plouffe was dispatched to the cable TV airwaves to inveigh: “If we’re really going to crack down on the practices that caused the credit and housing crises, we’re going to need a leader who doesn’t owe these industries any favors.” And so on.
Yesterday, after a barrage of questions from McCain bloggers, Countrywide critics, and Clinton operatives, ABC News asked Obama about the stunningly obvious hypocrisy. The result was, well, painful.
Struck with an apparent case of restless mouth syndrome, Obama first indignantly rejected the notion that he should pick his veep pickers more carefully: “Well, look, the, the, I mean- first of all I am not vetting my VP search committee for their mortgages.”
Translation: I will remain willfully blind to the conflicts of interest created by own mortgage industry-bashing rhetoric.
Next, Obama leaned on his “Washington games” crutch and attempted to distance himself from the appointees that he has assigned the most important and intimate of tasks: “You’re going to have to direct – it becomes sort of a – this is a game that can be played – everybody, who is tangentially related to our campaign, I think, is going to have a whole host of relationships. I would have to hire the vetter to vet the vetters.”
“Tangential?” He appointed them to search for his second in command. “Tangential” is the cleaning lady in his Sioux Falls campaign office.
Finally, channeling Bill Clinton’s “is-is” parsing, Obama attempted to argue that his dubious veep selection committee members don’t really “work” for him: “They’re performing that job well. It’s a volunteer, unpaid position. And they’re giving me information, and I will then exercise judgment in terms of who I want to select as a vice presidential candidate. So these aren’t folks who are working for me, they’re not people who I have assigned to a particular job in a future administration.”
There are only so many gaffes, missteps, mistakes, flubs, and self-delusional statements one can make before serial naivete becomes endemic stupidity. Obama has reached the point of no return.
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D’OHbama…the gift that keeps on giving!
I’m surprised he didn’t whip out the race card also. The Democratic Party has really hitched their wagon to a falling start this time. Can’t this guy find anyone to associate with that doesn’t have some kind of crooked or un-American leanings?
Michelle, you’re forgetting something.
Lightweights, oops, I mean Lightworkers can’t be held to the same standards of us poor, crawling worms.When one is a
Lightweight, oops, I did it again, I mean Lightworker, one simply can’t MAKE a mistake.I hear his SUV runs on Flubber and you could inflate the Goodyear Blimp with the hot-air from any one of his speeches.
MM, sadly, I don’t think many people will even notice, or if informed, will likely respond with some obtuse remark such as, “but he’s a great orator.” Outside of a few informed sites such as this one, the majority of Americans will never see Obama for what he is. The same could be said for McCain too, come to think of it.
McCain has the subprime conflict of interest problem worse than Obama. Phil Gramm has more subprime “exposure” and is a more central part of the McCain’s campaign.
You don’t seem to be interested in picking the best (or least bad) candidate, only in remaining angry at Democrats.
Didn’t you mean Sioux City?
Am reminded of what a renowned Jurist once said. Seems fitting somehow.
Judge Smails
with good reason….
He’s just going out of his way to try to prove Bush wrong by showing that he is not articulate.
“It could probably be shown by facts and figures that there is no distinctly
native American criminal class except Congress.” – Mark Twain
It is too much to hope for, but the American people need to wake up and see what is happening to this country through the ‘entitled’ Congress. Want change? Just go back to our Founding Father’s (who must be rolling in their graves)work – they gave us the most unique form of government in the world, and paid dearly for it. We have totally screwed it up to the point that “government for the people, by the people” has been totally bypassed by the MSM’s requirement for infotainment sound bites. Yes, technology is a wonderful thing and because of it, and the faithful bloggers, the MSM or others are caught with their spin down. Use the technology to research your candidates history and VOTE. It should be an embarrassment that the President of this country will be elected by far less than 50% of the eligible voters. Read history, a subject almost no longer taught in any meaningful way in school, for those who do not study history are bound to repeat it.
Obviously the public school system has done its job in dumbing down enough of the American public so that we have been left with dumb and dumber. I cannot question John McCain loyalty to the USA he has proven it, but I can quesstion his judgement about his policies. Obama has no loyalties (except to himself) as he has demonstrated and his judgement seems to be worse.
We ask God to bless America, lets hope he keeps blessing us no matter who gets elected.
David Axelrod tried this line with Joe Scarorough this morning, whining that it would be impossible/impractical to check everyone out. Joe called B.S. and said sure you could, especially given Johnson’s high profile history.
On June 11th, 2008 at 8:38 am, lgm said:
…You don’t seem to be interested in picking the best (or least bad) candidate, only in remaining angry at Democrats.
Can’t we enact a do-over clause, a constitutional ‘mulligan’. Surely out of the entire US, there must be someone more fitting than these? ‘Course, they’re probably independents and don’t stand a chance against the massed DNC/RNC money/media/lobby.
saint Obama (pbuh) is above our understanding. He can do no wrong. saint Obama (pbuh) along with the filibusterproof DNC congress will
buryuplift us all!!!/sarcasm off
Well, if you idiots didn’t make it so derned easy.
Our last Dem President said screw the Oval Office. Oh, wait…
All of you disappointed in McCain, why didn’t you support Romney when it counted? But oh no, we can have a proven leader who is a proven conservative running for president because he is a “mormon”. Who by the way are the most conservative people as a whole in the entire country. Sigh, we can still get him as VP. There is a damn good chance he would be president anyway that way.
Sorry, that was an lgm idiot post. Sorry AJ, I clipped it from your post.
yeah, and the clock was ticking…
I am surprised D’Oh Bama did not utter his get out of jail free phrase, “This isn’t the Johnson I used to know”.
So if I read your link right, LGM, Gramm held a consistent conservative position on wanting to prevent overrgulation of markets. A bunch of banks then made stupid moves and idiots got into bad loans and it’s Gramm’s fault?
Wow, that’s a complete and total abdication of any aspect of personal responsibility.
THUNK THUNK, the wheels on the bus go round and round…
saint obama(pbuh) driving the bus down the road. The shocks on that bus are getting a real workout from all the bodies getting thrown under it.
of course this is not helping the lady michelle obama’s (pbuh) royal children (pbuh)
I did not vote for McCain or Romney in the primaries. I liked Duncan Hunter and Fred Thompson. Unfortunately, Fred thought he was going to be coronated and waited to long to get in and Duncan never was able to get up enough name recognition. I don’t have the same problems with Mitt that I have with McCain, but I did not think Mitt was conservative enough. He was touting his Mass. health care plan which has not yet been proven over time.
One key difference: McCain hasn’t been bashing Graham(or his company) for ripping off poor, innocent borrowers in campaign speeches, while at the same time hiring him to work on his campaign.
The very definition of being a liberal. That and lacking a bath.
I’m still waiting for anyone else to notice how, after the Thursday-Friday revelation of BO as the nominee, the economy took an immediate nosedive.
Speculation jitters?
On June 11th, 2008 at 9:29 am, sonofdy said:
of course this is not helping the lady michelle obama’s (pbuh) royal
childrenpunishments (pbuh)Not that you need my help!
Dosen’t Obama even listen to himself when he speaks? Does he just read from his prepared notes and never thinks of what he is saying?
I dare Obamas speechwriters to start putting little “landmines” in Obamas speechs…like “this country needs Amanda Huginkiss… or …has anyone seen Mike Hunt?”
You have to give the guy credit, he’s great for painting himself into a corner.
When the Dems demonize corporations, the rich, the oil industry, business people and pretty much anybody that has a job but doesn’t work for the government they include about 80% of Americans as enemies of the people in their moronic attacks. It is nearly impossible to find anybody that is so pure and holy (by their definition)that they will ’serve the people’ and not their own selfish interests. No intelligent, motivated person can live up to their ridiculous standards, only the brain dead, unemployable victims they worship. This is a party at war with the majority of America and this latest screw-up is the result.
Sorry, Michelle, but I thought it needed that little touch. Otherwise, it’s a spot on column.
Now, as Obama would seem to imply with his actions…Damn the stupidity and full steam ahead! The “Change”, “Hope”, etc., etc., etc. leftist pandering campaign machine is bumbling ahead.
This just keeps getting gooder and gooder.
Birds of a feather, I can usally size up a person in a few minutes of talking to them. D’OH-bama can not seem to figure them out till years afterwords, until of course his association becomes exposed then it’s “That was’nt the ___________ I knew.” D’OH-bama’s lack of judgement is incredible, no wonder he wants to talk to terrorists and underhanded leaders without pre-conditions.
Nah. Just some of them.
Wow, the circus is coming for an extended stay isn’t it?
“They don’t, like, work for me, or anything. They are just going to talk about people to me and stuff, and then I will pick the second most important person next to myself.”
This really inspires confidence…
/sarc
In, Soap. In.
Either we are all naive, gullible and stupid or BHO IS! How interesting it would be if his poor choices in personnel result in his losing the nomination at the convention.
LGM – the moral equivalence game you seem so fond of playing is NOT a strong argument. In fact, most children learn fairly early that just because Bobby set Suzies hair on fire, does not give them the same “right”.
I can just see it now. Obama gets elected and goes and meets with Ahmenijhad after setting up prepatory work by his staff. He comes out saying that he has received a promise that Israel will not be wiped of the map from the good Iranian leader. Two months later Iran Nukes Israel and Obama holds a news conference to tell us all that this is not the Ahmenijhad he knew and after all it really is not his fault after all it was the Iranian staffers who set up the meeting and so how could it be his fault seeing that they don’t work for him and all.
Obviously, he couldn’t vet the Iranian staffers, TS.
Speaking of poor choices: Have you seen the article on Drudge this morning? It seems that Barack Hussein Mohammed Obama cannot give up smoking and has been smoking for the last few months. He is addicted to Nicorette gum as well when he is not smoking.
In other words, he is a smoker and they have the gall to claim that McCain might be too old to run for president, despite being in excellent health. Given how scrawny and unhealthy BHMO looks because of his smoking, it is he who is more likely to die while in office.
They also refuse to release the status of BHMO’s health, this along with his birth certificate.
I seriously think that BHMO is delusional. Can you imagine a Republican smoking or one that refused to release his birth certificate?
I bet Hillary ends up with this nomination, and they are going to be begging her to do so come August.
Well of course not that would take Vetters to vet the Vetters….
MSNBCS’s web site has alot more about Johnson today than what was in the WSJ. While at Fannie Mae, Johnson used all kinds of tricks to obscure how lucrative his pay package was. He also hooked himself into all sorts of nice “consulting arrangements”. And at the same time Fannie Mae was buying huge blocks of mortgages from Countrywide, Johnson was getting sweetheart loans from Countrywide because he was a “friend of Angelo”. Johnson should release his mortgage documents to show whether he faced a prepayment penalty if he tried to refinance. Countrywide sticks the average borrower with a hefty prepayment penalty if people try to leave Countrywide. I’m guessing that Countrywide waived that for Johnson. Also, Johnson’s interest rate was fixed for five years at the sweetheart rate. If a steelworker wanted a mortgage with Countrywide, it would only be fixed for two years at most and then it would skyrocket. My guess is that Johnson won’t release the mortgage documents and I am sure that the four person team at the New York Times that is busy digging into McCain’s entire life will show no interest in the Johnson scandal. Obama has nothing to worry about. Nobody in the MSM will ever ask Obama about Johnson. To do so would be deemed racist.
Did somebody say the Dems are going to see the vet. Can we have them neutered? Or at least a rabies shot?
will he have to buy carbon credits to cover all the CO2 that he releases in these lame a$$ excuses.
Maybe I won’t be against the cap and trade after all.
Last night on H&C a Hillary supporter was saying a large number of her “soul mates” know what a fraud Obambi is and are not going to vote for him. She said they are not going along with the radical far out left of her party. I never thought I would agree with a Hillary supporter.
HA, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! Priceless quote – he sounds like a kid caught with his hand in the cookie jar.
Insightful and decisive point, MM!
B. Hussein Obama has crossed the Rubicon with this latest series of gaffes in appointing his vetting committee and attacks on the mortgage industry – and there’s no turning back.
We will hear SO many times this November…
This is NOT the Obama that I knew when his campaign started.
Senator Obama’s inarticulate mumbling when not reading from a prepared statement is becoming more widely known.
I read somewhere that the ability to use the language is considered a measure of intelligence.
Makes me wonder…..
But he is the Obamessiah…he can turn unvetted friends/mentors/campaign staff into speed bumps!
DOHbama can’t even do the political double-speak without a teleprompter. What a tongue tied bottom feeder………..
Sure, jsr.
When I see Obama make gaffe after Gaffe, I have to wonder, Is it real or Is he simply shining us on.
I must remind myself he sought out and knelt at the alter of a racist bigot for 20 years.
What did he learn there about reflecting back that which he sees.
Is this non-stop Gaffe machine real or is his current manifestation of himself how he actually sees his “primarily white audience?
Time will tell, but is this how he speaks to black audiences?
#43
Recorded mortgages are public record, and available at the Register of Deeds in Johnson’s county. Unfortunately, most of the “good stuff” would be on the note, which is not public record. But you would be able to see the loan amount and the term. Just sayin’…
The Democrats would do better to nominate Mr. Haney from Green Acres…at least he can tap dance better.
Not exactly. Caesar crossed the Rubicon on his way to victory in the civil war that followed. Somehow, I don’t see the same thing happening for Senator Hopenchange.
Perhaps a more apt analogy would be to refer to the point near Niagara Falls, beyond which the momentum of the water becomes unstoppable.
Hopenchange is already past the point where his propeller has sheared off while trying to escape the point of no return. The only thing that’s kept him from being swept over the falls is legions of reporters and editors on each bank of the river, desperately clinging to lifelines attached to his boat.
#6 lgm said:
I could see your point if McCain had made CMO swap regulation a part of his campaign before hiring Phil Gramm as his budget guy, but he didn’t.
Obama singled out Countrywide as an evil guy in the current loan default debate, and then hired a Countrywide insider to help pick his potential VP.
These are simple but important details in relation to your weak comparison.
Last night on Brit Hume’s show on Fox News he and the entire panel (Kondracke, Barnes and Krauthammer) went out of their way to say what a smart, upstanding, well-respected person Johnson is. I thought they doth praise too much, and I wondered why —other than because Johnson is a country-club kind of guy like themselves (Charles K aside).
They nattered on about how “so far, there’s no evidence to suggest” that Johnson engaged in any wrong-doing, leaving aside the usual “mere appearance of impropriety” they and the MSM use to as a litmus test in cases of possible influence-peddling and back-sratching of the kind we seem to see here.
It was not Hume’s finest hour, though I’ve come to expect that sort of stuff from the self-described “Beltway Boys”, who seem oblivious as to how that term makes them anathema to most Americans on the right.
Wow. This reminds me of a series of Dilbert comic strips in which the Pointy Haired Boss asks Dilbert to interview the Pointy Haired Son for a job. Two of my favorite questions:
Dilbert: Where did you go to college?
PHS: I hid in my parents’ attic for four years.
Dilbert: You have bowling on your resume. Were you a professional bowler?
PHS: No, I only bowled once. But the balls were heavy, so I thought it was work.
After the interview, the boss asks Dilbert what he thought. Dilbert suggested having the PHS whacked. The boss told Dilbert that PHS was now his new boss.
It’s amazing how, given what we know goes on beneath the rhetoric, Barry continues to project this messianic aura. Chances are he’ll be *our* new PHB come January 20. We won’t be screwed, we’ll be “Dilberted” instead.
*out*
This would be front page news in the MSM, if he was on McCain’s team, but since he’s on Barack Hussein Obama’s team, it’s move along folks, nothing to see here.
You said “hung.” That’s reminiscient of lynching. It’s racist. It’s hate speech. Call the feds. Time to shut down the site.
I know this is stupid, I just wanted to say it before some Obamapostle did.
Didn’t he forget to add, “There is, nor will there be, a ‘quid pro quo’ for these voluntary services.”
Or, does that part get addressed later when he gets caught rewarding these
peoplelampreys?Woe is McCain. Obama is so inept and imagine 4 more months of opportunities for OBAMAGAFFEs.
Logic says that MCcain should wipe the floor with this guy in November but he seems to keep inserting his own foot in his own mouth almost daily.
It’s be the Battle of the Gaffe election.
OT from Jawa Report
Is Zawahiri starting to assume room temperature?
Yes, and while McCain’s make the news, Obama’s don’t.
When are the people going to have enough of the media’s interfering with their ability to know what their candidates actually say, do, and believe in, while claiming to be protecting it?? The media is the biggest lie in politics.
conservativesRus said (#35):
MM posts about transgressions Democrats commit but ignores worse transgressions of the same kind committed by Republicans. This suggests that she’s not concerned about the crime itself, but the fact that a Democrat is committing it.
Her argument is “Democrats have flaws, vote Republican”. But every day, McCain has the flaw of the day more than Obama.
Mrs. Malkin runs more threads critical of RINOs like Senator McCain than almost any blog writer I know. The charges of a partisan double standard are ridiculous.
Obama specializes in shady friends it seems. Is this stupidity or a deliberate choice? In either instance it makes for poor presidential timber does it not!!???
LGM,
you’ve….bothered to read this site, right? She’s posted plenty of material about republicans doing dumb crap on a regular basis.
The fact you want to pick and choose what you feel is correct, and ignore the mountain of material to the contrary, makes you willfully ignorant.
As far as having more flaws than obama…i hate mccain, but even i have to admit that he’s a shade better than oblama any day.
i’m going to have to tell you to STHU since you dont know what you’re talking about and are trying to distort the issue.
BTW. I’ve asked you over a dozen times to actually condemn what a democrat is doing is wrong and shouldnt be tolerated. You’ve YET to do it.
Can you? Are you able to call something as being wrong when you see it?
Thats 13. And counting.
I was going to say the same thing. This is definitely NOT a pro-McCain website.
Isn’t that what the Village Voice concluded in giving you a 97/3 rating?
It seems to me that both candidates are perfecting the art of speaking out of both sides of their mouths.
While Senator McCain has had some experience at it I have to admit that Senator Obama seems to be a real “up and comer”.
Sorry for posting so soon again, but after my post above I realized that there is a third choice here–the worst of them all!!! Maybe, just maybe Obama is so manipulatable that he is an easy dupe for such as Johnson and Holder!!!
LGM – nice attempted dodge but you again fell short. You did not address the substance of my reply. Moral equivalence is not the standard by which things should be measured. Either dirt/smoke/mud is there or it isn’t. It doesn’t matter one iota whether or not somebody else has dirt/smoke/mud.
Further – I have not once, ever (though she may have) her MM say “vote Republican”.
Further your claim that MM only picks on Democrats is totally absurd. Either your attention span is extremely limited, you are willfully dishonest, or your ability to comprehend what is/has been written here is severely limited. MM chooses to report on things generally not covered by the MSM. There are many many many gigabytes in the MM site where republicans have been called to task. It’s pretty easy to see where MM stands (and why – ie, the logic of how she came to her conclusion) but with you, it appears your only position is “if MM is for it, I’m against it”. That is not generally considered a form of intelligent thought.
Poor choice of analogy.
Person A made an illegal lane change at an intersection and caused an accident.
Person B drove drunk and caused an accident.
Which one would be an issue for the press looking for things to use against them?
Gramm was advocating against regulation for the entire industry, Johnson was an insider for Countrywide.
Oh,Obama, wise up. The puppetmasters control all, including you.
Thunk! Thunk! Another one under the bus.
Poor Obama; he was sure his black Daddy’s DNA was gonna buy him a perpetual Get Out of Jail Free card. I bet he just hates the internet.
What is the new term for an advisor to the Obama Campaign?
A Speed Bump
Short-timer?
Marked?
The wheels on the bus go round and round
If it’s this bad for campaign staff now, imagine how quick his staff would get thrown under the bus, when a scandal would come up in an Obama presidency.
Only fools would want to be appointed to his cabinet positions, etc. Oh, wait. They are already foolish enough to be supporting him now. Never mind. What was I thinking?
I haven’t read all the posts so if this has been addressed, sorry, but – does Hussein check these people before he aligns himself with them or makes them part of his campaign? What is the deal? Is he just stupid or does he think everyone else is. This amazes me. His stupidity or niavete. Incredible. The fact that he doesn’t seem to learn from his previous mistakes makes me wonder if he admits he makes mistakes.
The thing is – the damage has been done – he’s already associated with these people and then he dumps them as though it makes everything ok. Something is seriously wrong with Hussein’s problem solving skills.
Or, yet another “distraction” waiting to happen?
So let me get this straight: a sweetheart mortgage is enough to prompt Obama to reject a supporter but planting bombs in the Pentagon and police stations and regretting you didn’t plant more prompts only a tepid disavowal.
But will the sad facts matter to the Obama Nation? They didn’t matter to the lemmings who voted for Clinton.
Speed is a misnomer is it not? How do you get thrown under a bus unless they can catch up with you?
Just for a moment, let’s do the bump
We have 300 deserters already here in Canada polluting our environment so please don’t send the Obama road kill up here. Our diet is only prime polar bear, not bull crap in a whine sauce!
abstractmind said (#70):
Take a look today. Republicans are accused of being too liberal (e.g. opposing ANWR drilling), but not of being unethical.
And note the wording. A short term Obama unpaid advisor is found to have a conflict of interest. Obama accepts his resignation without criticizing him. This is being “thrown under a bus.” McCain has a guy with a worse conflict of interest in a more important role and doesn’t “accept his resignation”. Somehow that’s supposed to make McCain look better?
conservativesRus said (#75):
Maybe in some perfect world, but here on Earth we have a choice between two imperfect candidates. We have to decide who is cleaner and who is dirtier.
Here’s a related joke I hope doesn’t offend anyone: Jesus is defending Magdalena, standing between her and the mob. He says: “Let he who is without sin throw the first stone.” A stone is hurled from the back row. Jesus, exasperated, says: “Mom!, please stay out of it.”