Durbin says: We’re going to hell! Update: The Obama “baby mama” drama
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Breathe a bad word about Michelle Obama and you’ll be cast into the fiery bowels of hell, says Reverend Dick Durbin.
Here’s my hell-baiting Fox segment on Michelle earlier this afternoon.
Quick correction: In the segment, I mention Salon as having published criticism of Mrs. O. I meant Slate. Got my left-wing websites mixed up. My apologies and thanks to Alex Koppelman of Salon for pointing out the error.
I’m sure Salon will make sure everyone knows that they aren’t going to burn with the rest of us.
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Update: Salon is in high dudgeon over a caption that Fox ran during my segment referring to Michelle Obama as Obama’s “baby mama.”
I did not write the caption and I was not aware of it when it ran (the Baltimore studio doesn’t have a monitor). I don’t know if the caption writer was making a lame attempt to be hip, clueless about the original etymology of the phrase, or both. But I do know that it was Michelle Obama herself who referred to Barack as her “baby’s daddy” and has used the phrase “baby daddy” to describe Barack while on the stump this year.
Here’s how she introduced him during his Senate victory speech on Nov. 2, 2004:
MICHELLE OBAMA, WIFE OF BARACK OBAMA: My baby’s daddy Barack Obama. Yeah!
BARACK OBAMA, SENATOR-ELECT, ILLINOIS: Thank you, Illinois. Thank you. Thank you, Illinois. I don’t know about you but I’m still fired up. I am fired up. Look at this crowd. Thank you, Illinois.
Let me begin by thanking all the people who have been involved in this effort from down state to upstate, city, suburb, from every community throughout the state. Let me say how grateful I am to all of you for the extraordinary privilege of standing here this evening.
Let me thank, because I will forget later on, it’s a thankless task, let me thank right now the best political staff that has been put together in this state. They are wonderful. You know who you are. You guys have been outstanding. I appreciate all of you.
Let me thank my pastor, Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. (ph) of Trinity United Church of Christ, fellow Trinitarians out there. Let me thank all the elected officials who have stood by me through thick and through thin but most of all let me thank my family.
I am so grateful to my nephew Aber (ph), my niece Leslie (ph), my mother-in-law Marian (ph), my brother-in-law Craig Robinson, his wonderful girlfriend Kelly (ph), my sister Maya (ph), my new niece Zuhayla (ph) right there, my brother-in-law Conrad and most of all, most of all, my two precious daughters Malia (ph) Obama and Sasha (ph) Obama and the biggest star in the Obama family until the two girls grow up the love of my life Michelle Obama, give it up for Michelle. Give it up.
See here for a 2004 discussion of Obama’s comments the day after she made them. Sample:
Posted on Friday, November 05, 2004 – 03:19 pm:
You’re right Cynique, he hasn’t proved himself. I’m just going by his demeanor thus far, as well as my intuitive feeling about him–and that is how I feel about his potential at this point–I could see him as president. His wife has nothing to do with how I feel either, especially after her “my baby’s daddy” comment. She is a doll (physically), but that comment turned me off!Posted on Friday, November 05, 2004 – 04:32 pm:
Well, I’m sure his wife’s remark didn’t turn off Obama’s black constituency; it was kind of an inside joke. Yes, Obama is very charismatic but you sounded as if you wanted to prove a point by jocking him rather than John Edwards who has, after all, served 6 years in the senate. See, Moonsigns, that how you get in trouble on this sight. LOLPosted on Friday, November 05, 2004 – 04:55 pm:
OH FOR PITY’S SAKE Moonsigns, could you have you lips puckered against cyniques ass any tighter??Could you be any more OBVIOUS AND DESPERATE to keep her as an ally? What a freakin joke you are.
Oh you are so right cynique, oh please don’t get mad at me cynique! give it a rest aready!!
Posted on Friday, November 05, 2004 – 06:22 pm:
Some blacks may find that “inside joke” to be “funny”, however, I’m sure not all do. To me, it’s a joke that is used only in the company of very, very close friends, not in a public arena with millions of people watching.I have no point to prove to anyone Cynique. There are some people who seem like natural born leaders and others that just don’t. Edwards, in my opinion, just seems to lack a certain something that would propel him into being a tremendous leader. Obama on the other hand, he just seems like he has unlimited amounts of potential and the zeal to follow through–just a basic difference I feel about the men….that’s it.
Posted on Friday, November 05, 2004 – 07:36 pm:
You’re entitled to your assessment about Obama, Moonsigns. But, neither you nor I know how many blacks were offended by the comment Obama’s wife made. And, actually, I don’t see why there would be a problem since he is her “baby Daddy.” And I don’t think it is uncommon for black women, no matter what her station in life, to teasingly refer to their child’s father as their “baby daddy.” This ghetto expression has made it into the mainstream of the black idiom, at least in my part of the country which is where Obama is from. Blacks don’t always have to be on their good behavior for fear of making a bad impression on white people. Sometimes they can just “get down” and show that they haven’t lost the common touch. Jesse Jackson does this all the time, as did Chicago’s first black mayor, Harold Washington who once referred to a failing plan as being in “deep doo-doo.” Anybody offended by what Obama’s wife said, should just get over it.
Posted on Friday, November 05, 2004 – 08:36 pm:
Though you have pointed out that this “ghetto expression” has “made it into the mainstream of the black idiom” (which I agree), I don’t think it’s safe to say that all blacks accept it. You know as well as I do that not all blacks think alike and that is why I know that, while you nor I can give exact numbers as to just how many blacks were offended, I’m sure there are some out there who were. Again, there are no absolutes.“Blacks don’t always have to be on their good behavior for fear of making a bad impression on white people.”-Cynique
I agree. Do you feel this applies to all races though?
Posted on Friday, November 05, 2004 – 09:05 pm:
I’ll be praying for Elizabeth Edwards.
As for Michelle Obama’s “baby’s daddy” comment–I was in room with black people from all over the world when she made it.
A black American couple owned the home I was in. There was a Somali model and her biracial daughter—two Ethiopian couples—two Kenyan men—a black couple from Mississippi, another black couple from Arizona, my black mother from Wash.D.C. and two black couples from Jamaica and one from Aruba, West Indies.
WE ALL LAUGHED “infectiously” when Michelle made the comment…and in that moment….they became REAL PEOPLE to us. The whole room fell in love with them even more than before.
MOON—the only kind of blacks who take offense at a MARRIED black woman calling her hubby “my baby’s daddy”….are the INSECURE ones who have something to prove to “white people”–and usually, those type of blacks wish to BE white themselves.
I find it hard to believe that anyone with any real intelligence would be offended by a Harvard Graduate–MARRIED to her “baby’s daddy”….being benevolent enough and politically astute enough to affirm the realities of so many black women who have no education, no men in their lives or their childrens’ lives and who NEEDED that bit of affirmation/recognition from a sista on high.
Very rarely are single black mothers–most of whom MAKE A WAY OUT OF NO WAY every damned day of the week….given their props.
I know MANY “ghetto women” who hold down a job, go to school, singlehandedly feed and clothe their babies….and BLACK WOMEN in America have been doing this for DECADES.
Without much praise.
I loved Michelle Obama for having the presence of mind and “cultural caring” to use HER POSITION to affirm a ghetto saying.
And I greatly admire so called “ghetto blacks” FAR MORE than I do the black middle class. I love it that OBAMA is so very “Kenyan” and regal and presents himself as a man of his people.
FOR THAT..and because I so love his wife’s grace and class, I will spend thousands to support him.
Posted on Friday, November 05, 2004 – 11:25 pm:
Well, Moonsigns, as far as I’m concerned this is much ado about nothing since, as we agree, nobody knows how widespread the disapproval was of Michelle’s remark. And who really cares about something this trivial? I think your reference to it says more about you than her. The “baby daddy” reference was no more of a faux pas than some of the things that Kerry’s wife said, or what Laura Bush might say if she could ever stop smiling like an idiot and say anything.Posted on Saturday, November 06, 2004 – 06:55 am:
Cynique,Beyond this discussion, Michelle’s “baby daddy” comment is not a part of my daily thought pattern. Someone had mentioned it earlier in a thread and that is why I shared my feelings about it.
Laura Bush does say too little, which can be both good and bad. Kerry’s wife said too much. I wouldn’t have minded her hubby for president, but her as the first lady….that would have been something! LOL
Posted on Saturday, November 06, 2004 – 07:53 am:
Moonsigns,I agree with your contrast of Edwards and Obama. Though both men are unproven as leaders, Obama appears to have more innate Presidential timber.
And, actually, the smarter/better leader in the Edwards’ household is his wife Elizabeth. That chick is smarter than a MOFO!
But really, the “baby daddy” thing is just a joke…between friends.
And when I see you (and other you White people) overreact to something as trivial as that, I can’t help wondering whether you are building Obama up just so he’ll have a higher pedestal from which you can knock him down from.
PS: My wife calls me her “baby daddy” all the time as a term of endearment. And after I received positive confirmation from the DNA tests, I learned to appreciate that.
And more here.
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From “A Brief History of baby-daddies” published in Slate Magazine two years ago:
Celebrity gossips are not known for their contributions to English letters. In tabloids, the copy is breathless, the headlines are stunningly literal, and the “hand-written” photo captions seem to toggle between “Awww!” and “Ew!” But as they zero in on celebrity mating and breeding rituals, the magpies keep breaking new linguistic ground. First they imported the British term bump, a noun used to refer to the protruding abdomen of a pregnant starlet. Then they awarded celebrity couples mash-up nicknames like “Bennifer,” “Brangelina,” and “TomKat.” Now they’ve seized upon baby-daddy and baby-mama, two useful terms that have long appeared in hip-hop and R&B lyrics, and are slowly stripping them of their emotional fangs.
The Oxford English Dictionary defines baby-daddy as “the father of a woman’s child, who is not her husband or (in most cases) her current or exclusive partner.” The baby-mama entry follows the same template with the genders reversed. But some gossip writers have been adopting the first part of the definition and ignoring the second. Salon recently called Tom Cruise “Katie Holmes’ baby-daddy,” even though the couple is engaged. And Gawker refers to Keven Federline as “Britney Spears’ baby-daddy,” even though the couple has been married for more than a year.
…These days, the terms no longer seem “chiefly African-American”—they’re everywhere, the latest bits of hip-hop lingo to gain widespread use. Baby-daddy is the new bling. Online, you can buy “Jesus is my baby-daddy” magnets, tote bags, and beer steins. There is a drink called the “babymama.” Scott Hoffman, the bassist for the glam rock band the Scissors Sisters, goes by the stage name “Babydaddy.” Some of this cultural paraphernalia retains the old, loaded sense of the term: You can, for example, download a “Salty Baby Mama” ringtone so that when people call, your phone will jangle and thrum while a woman’s voice says, “Baby, I know you hear this damn phone ringing. I’m going to beat your ass, as soon as I see you.” But just as often, the connotations are strictly biological. Baby-mama has even made inroads in Japan, where it’s being used on a Web site that appears to sell strollers.
Who knows why these terms became catchphrases? Perhaps it’s just that they’re metrically pleasing: Baby-mama and baby-daddy are undeniably fun to say. But it’s the novelty factor that explains how the words lost their negative connotations. Sure, there are many gossip writers who still use the terms in their original senses (calling dancer Carlos Leon “Madonna’s baby-daddy,” for example) because they’re useful, reducing a complex chain of possessives—Madonna’s daughter’s father—to a nice, comprehensible noun. But it seems there are also plenty of writers who just like the way the words sound and don’t care much about the stigma once attached to babydaddyhood. When news came last week that Anna Nicole Smith may be pregnant, it was no surprise that bloggers immediately began speculating about the identity of the “baby daddy.” It may be a long time before you hear a quaint, old-fashioned “Who’s the dad?”
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Here comes the knee-jerk avalanche of hate mail:
from pearlene_scott@cox.net
to writemalkin@gmail.com
date Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 1:35 AM
subject Michelle Obama
mailed-by cox.netYou disgusting racist slant eyed pig! How do you like the name calling? Referring to Senator Obama’s wife in your typical way is what the country expects from an ignorant racist pig like yourself. No one wants to listen to your racist rants anymore. May the nightmare that is you be gone soon.
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from HTHS57@aol.com
to writemalkin@gmail.com
date Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 12:53 AM
subject Michelle Obama comments
mailed-by aol.comYou are reprehensible
The impression you give is having a plastic face, a plastic mind and a plastic heart.
Your stupidity is clearly and abundantly superceded by your nasty nasty mind and heart always.
There is no one home in your body.***
from [redacted at the request of the hate-mailer]
to writemalkin@gmail.com
date Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 12:03 AM
subject TIP
mailed-by msn.comI find your attacks on Mrs Obama disgusting. As someone of mixed race I wonder if your desire to take part in this behavior is due to self-loathing. Do you have issues about your own background and feel that you are somehow made “whiter” by saying these things? Believe me, to the crowd you associate with you are nothing more than the token brown girl with a cheerleader’s vocal affectation. You should be ashamed of yourself, and if you don’t have the grace to feel that way, I am ashamed for you. My tip for you is… start acting like a human being.
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from MsNiana@aol.com
to writemalkin@gmail.com
date Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 11:54 PM
subject Your Fox appearance
mailed-by aol.comI have never taken the time to e-mail anyone regarding comments made in a public forum. However, your Obama Baby Mama comments have triggered something in me that NO ONE has managed to do thus far. It is degrading for a married woman, especially of her stature to be referred to this way, but of course that’s why you found pleasure in doing it. It also has a racist tone to it, which is also way you’ve found pleasure in doing it. For someone who looks like she is in need of racial tolerance, you certainly have a lot of nerve. There are many racist references that I can name when I look at you, many which your so called colleagues at Fox have already uttered behind you’re back, I’m sure. Your politics are your own, but you should be ashamed. How someone as ethnic as you obviously are can find pleasure in contributing to such low class racial speak is beyond me.
from David Medina db999us@yahoo.com
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date Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 2:00 AM
subject tip
mailed-by yahoo.com
signed-by yahoo.comyou like like a asian clown
Let’s not let the facts get in the way!
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To be fair, Mrs. Malkin does like to ham it up on occassion.
I never understood why people are so threatened by Asian eyelids. They are what they are – they won’t bite. They aren’t really slanted, either.
Maybe I’m just a cruel and mean-spirited person, but this makes me want to go to an Obama rally just to heckle her with a loud “Baby Mama” chant.
I think she deserves at least (and probably more) for how much she openly despises this country.
Michelle, I’m surprised anyone would criticize you for giving your very thoughtful views on why and how Michelle O should be criticized. I’m guessing your detractors have trouble thinking. When asked about unsubstantiated rumors in general I wish you would have said such rumors are destructive and you totally disavow their use. But I guess you decided not to hit that softball and went straight to pointing out it’s the left who were the source of most or many of these rumors. On 2nd thought, that was a good answer as you covered more ground than if you swung at the softballs. But your thoughts can be rather complex and it does take some thought to appreciate them. And for those who don’t think much, you comments will go right over their heads. Have you considered dumbing down your public comments at all? Use crayons and draw large pictures so everyone gets your point? Because otherwise you’re going to get plenty of “Asian ho” email feedback.
About Michelle Malkin’s hate mail: Michelle OBabyMama says that our country is still too mean. I guess she is right. Those hate-emailers prove it!
Irony…it’s not just for breakfast anymore!
Keep crossing the line with this crap, Michelle. You’ll find out what happens soon enough…
Michelle, Your excuses are lame. Stating that “I didn’t know” didn’t cut it at Trinity United, and it shouldn’t at the Church of Fox. How long will you continue to sit in the Fox pews and plead ignorance? And let me get this straight, a television network has a studio with no monitors? Please……
I send letters to Jackass Durbin all the time. He can teach a tornado a thing or two about spin.
Angry Kneegrow,
That’s a rather thinly veiled threat. I suppose you aren’t the one threatening her but nonetheless imply that it could happen. Is that somehow acceptable to you? Also, this line that you speak of, how exactly has she crossed it?
Angry Kneegrow,
Which michelle? You should be more specific with your threats.
sonofdy,
He’s referring to MM. This isn’t the first time he has “warned” Michelle.
AHHH on of those “peaceloving” liberals then.
Who’s crossing the line here? It’s funny how these libs spew hate and threats when the little limp wristed punks couldn’t fight there way out of a wet paper bag.
It does say alot about the mindset… you challenge a politician’s wife about her own statements and suddenly it is acceptable to resort to fisticuffs. But war is never an option.
Which reminds me. I recall seeing a bumper sticker on a truck and the airport that read “Give War a Chance”. Loved it!
With a name like that why am I not surprised?
What I am surprised is that you are even allowed to post with a name like that and threatening the host with thinly veiled violence. What’s your other alter-ego? Lame Geehodi?
Its not uncommon for certain studios to not have monitors in the room with guests. I worked for Primemedia for a while as a temp aways back, and many of the interview rooms didnt have a monitor with what was being taped or was going on live. It sucks, but that’s how it is.
What WILL happen? I’m curious. You know, other than people like you who make little childish threats and moronic statements to people who obviously are more intelligent than yourself.
Go pound sand, fool.
Priceless!
Fixed it for you Angry Kneegrow.
With Angry Kneegrow and grumbles joining in, it must be that this story has popped up on a moonbat blog someplace.
I love it when that happens.
Ya know…if we have AngryKneegrow…
maybe i should change my name to “SlytlyPrtrbdWhyteGy”
or
@b$r@c7m!nD…and put everything we do here in elite speak from now on.
p0VV3r 2 d@ p30pl3! LOL
Some thoughts on “Michelle M woman of color” v “Michelle O woman of color”. Seems a lot of MM’s hate mail is due to the relationship between her race, her gender, and her personal identity. A lot on the left hate MM because (as I see it anyway) she defines herself as a person first, and an Asian and a woman second. They see her as either a traitor to her race or trying to run away from her race. Michelle O, on the other hand, her identity seems highly tied in with her race. And Hillary, like many of her female supporters, her identity is highly tied in with her gender. And when your identity is so tied in with your race or gender, then you will be very touchy about those issues, and especially about how those issues relate to you. The way they’ve formed their identities is one reason I like MM and have so much trouble with MO and Hillary. These attacks on MM for being a race traitor show how tightly race is tied into their own identity. The left condemns bigotry, but isn’t maintaining such a racial identity bigotry itself? It’s comical to me they don’t see this.
Threats? Hardly. Don’t be confused. I’d never make threats over the Internet. What good is that doing?
The comment crossed the line because MM (and that’s who I was referring to in my initial post) is trying to casually insert race back into the daily dialogue. And considering that she’s a minority herself, I’m amazed that she doesn’t realize how reprensible her behavior is.
Her comment has a two prong effect:
a) attack Michelle Obama (and the children will be next**, I’m sure) to get under Barack’s skin to knock him off message
b) ghettoize Michelle to suggest to the American public, “Do you really want Sheniqua/Omarosa in the White House?”
**I believe they are going to attack the Obama girls, but not directly. I expect a bunch of negative stories about black children and I expect black women’s sexuality to be discussed as well.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they did a “news report” on the treatment of black women in rap and how slang terms are accepted in general “black” society and showed repeated loops of black women grinding and gyrating in a split screen with Michelle, while a panel discusses whether “baby mama” is an appropriate term to label Michelle with or not.
Let’s be real – would any of you dare refer to Laura Bush as Bush’s baby mama? Or Cindy McCain?
At any rate, I can’t get too upset at you neocons – Obama will be number 44. You know it, I know it… it’s just a matter of time now.
Let’s be real – would any of you dare refer to Laura Bush as Bush’s baby mama? Or Cindy McCain?
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So you refute your fellow liberals calling Laura Bush a drunk, a murderer, a door mat etc etc etc. Michelle IS Obamasa babies mother. Unless you know something I don’t. Was it also bad when tom crusie used the same language? You liberals are patheticaly thin skined.
vickisoup,
you have a point because it doesn’t seem as if either one of them bothered to read what Michelle wrote. then again, they could be just like lgm… birds of feather and all that jazz.
Indeed I do, sonofdy. I would never refer to the first lady in those terms. I may not like her husband, but she should still be respected as such. Just like you’ll be respecting Michelle Obama in January.
I get it now!
Angry Kneegrow = Michelle O
very clever!
What message is that. Hope and Change?
Angry Kneegrow:
I am not buying it. I will give Obama and his bitter half exactly the same respect you gave the bushes. EXACTLY that much.
AK,
Did you read what Michelle posted or are you like grumbles and simply don’t believe that she didn’t say it?
What about Michelle O’s own words when she introduced her husband as her baby daddy? Does this fall into the it’s okay for black people to call other black people n!gger but if a white person does – it’s on? You talk about identity politics being cast here by Michelle but I submit to you that it is your beloved Obie and company who are the racemongers. Who do you think Michelle O was trying to identify with when she labeled Obie her “baby’s daddy”? How is that acceptable from a campaign that is shaking things up and changing the world through hope and under the bus you go politics?
Funny, McCain is the one spouting “change” now. And what’s with him stealing Obama’s message? “A leader we can believe in”? Is he so old that he can’t even come up with his own campaign slogan without ripping Obama’s message? Heck, his website even mimics Obama’s.
Again – not many McCain supporters here. Besides, this issue for me isn’t about Dem vs Repub. Nice try though. No soup for you.
If Obama wins, I will get a bumper skicker demanding his impeachment. Obama is not going to unite anyone the way he has been acting.
Angry Kneegrow:
Are you one of Obamas paid internet surfers?
Nah, not getting paid… although I probably should be,lol.
Oh, and 30pcs of silver – don’t worry, there’s plenty of room for you on the Obama train.
There is no room on the obama trian unless you walk completely lock step with the cult of obama.
AK,
what does that even mean? not that i expect you to answer this question any more than you had the initial questions I posed.
Angry Kneegrow,
Hehe, you looking for McCain supporters? Go here,
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/splash/june7/
You will find more of his supporters there than here, lol.
You really DO personify the name “Troll” as it was originally meant to be used in the internet world.
Let’s see if we have this right, you are a 54 year old divorced, white male who lives in the NE, sits in a cubicle at an insurance office, has a BMI of about 33 and is considering moving back in with your mother to make ends meet.
You’re nuts. Sorry, but maybe Michelle M. doesn’t see herself as a minority, rather an American. Equal with all. Stop your racist bullsh*T
The nut who referred to Michelle as a “slant-eyed racist” wins the Irony Award.
On June 12th, 2008 at 12:01 pm,
Angry KneegrowSad Human Being said:Ahh, the wonders of cut and paste. for some reason, this looks like a childish little threat. “You’ll find out what happens soon enough”….yeah, still waiting for that “what happens” part.
Lets take the rest of your “oh crap, I stuck my foot in it this time” post and deconstruct, shall we?
You mean like the one above? That threat? Yeah. And it goes to show your mentality and hateful nature.
Next.
Crossed what line? The PC “don’t say anything that can offend liberals” line? Or the “don’t tell the truth that Obama has been playing the race card, and so has his wife” line? Which line are we not supposed to cross? the fact that YOUR OWN NAME is a play on race makes you look ridiculous. If you believe that D’ohbama and his wife have NOT been playing race cards since day one, you’re woefully ignorant.
But hey, being like that just means you can hope and change until you see thing thru those liberal rose-colored glasses, so that the truth is whatever you make it.
The only joke about the kids is the popular “this isnt helping her kids” line.
As far as the “ghettoizing” of MO…she’s the one playing the d@mn card man! let me spell this out so you can see it.
MO IS THE ONE WHO CALLED HER HUSBAND A BABY DADDY
I’m not sure how much more plain that can be. If you dont want her to set it up as being all “ghettoized”, then maybe she shouldnt be using the language that comes from the gutter that she, in fact, does not live in.
As if those havent been done before. And do you know what the response is from the black community?
1. Oh, thats our culture.
2. When we call our girl our “b****”, its a “term of endearment”
3. We can call each other the N word because we don’t mean it offensively, its a term of brotherhood and culture.
That’s horsecrap. And anyone with 2 cents worth of intellect can see not only through that argument, which has been used in the news before, but also through your strawman on the matter. Your statements make it look like you’re just fine with the objectification of women, the use of racist and derrogatory terms, and the general degrading of the english language and the use thereof.
Of course not. But its a whole different ballgame when Obama’s wife is the one doing the name calling on her husband isn’t it? We’re pointing out her own words. Sorry that using the facts and her own statements make you uncomfortable.
The sad thing is, you’re probably right. And i dont argue that fact. The fact that he’s a disaster already and will only further run us at full tilt to socialism (read: communism) is something i’ll be able to point at folks like you and lay the blame squarely where it belongs. Oh wait. Libs dont believe in personal responsibility, in word (as seen here by MO and Barry) or deed.
But i would submit for your edification that i’m proud to be classified as a “neocon”. From wiki on the subject:
works for me.
Weighted, measured, and found lacking. Another lib owned. And its not even lunchtime yet.
Abstract, so I guess we are all free to call Cindy McCain a C-word because John did?
Absrtact mind
willfully
I see Moped is back.
What part of – MM did not label MO as a baby mama don’t you quite understand? MO labeling her hubby as a baby daddy is rather interesting wouldn’t you say? Let me know when the smoke and mirrors are removed.
However, yes, you are free to call Cindy McCain whatever you wish. It’s a free country… for now.
My dog is named scooter. He is missing most of his teeth but still thinks he can take on the big dogs.
Why not scooter, you will anyway, and probably much worse.
Yup, you got me. LMAO! Thanks for the laugh.
As for Abstract, you’re not worthy enough yet for a comment from me. Nice try though.
ving ving ving!!
30-piece, no its not all that interesting…
abstractmind:
(picture angry kneegrowand his liberal pals bowing)
WE’RE NOT WORTHY….
WE’RE NOT WORTHY….
WE’RE NOT WORTHY….
WE’RE NOT WORTHY….
WE’RE NOT WORTHY….
WE’RE NOT WORTHY….
WE’RE NOT WORTHY….
yeah 30-piece, why let the truth get in the way, they prefer thier liberal talking points.
If you think we are tough on candidates wives here
WOW
Oh, 30pcs… I didn’t mean to forget about you:
If you guys are gonna use slang, at least learn what the hell they mean before you use them. Being someone’s “Baby Mama” is slang for being the mother of a man’s illegitimate child. That’s one step up from calling M.O. a ho.
And as for your original comment about Michelle O saying it first…. umm, not even remotely the same thing. There’s an HUGE difference in both meaning and connotation between “my baby’s daddy” and the contracted slang “baby mama.” That is, again, the difference between referring to someone as the father of your child and referring to someone as the mother of an illegitimate child with whom the father has no relationship. Barack and Michelle were married before they had children, so term “baby mama” does not apply here.
abstract, because I respect the quality of your posts, and I’m not accustomed to hyperbole from you, I have a question. In nutshell terms, how do you define the terms “socialism” and “communism”? BTW (on topic), I enjoy MM’s writing, but the constant hit pieces and demagoguery is starting to get tiresome. I realize she’s trying to entertain and drive up traffic, but she’s becoming quite tabloidy and lowest common denominator.
Really? Well, if you aren’t convinced that the D’ohbama’s are folks who are drumming up and are the cause of this presidential election being all about race – I don’t think I’ll waste any time reiterating what has already been said. Toodles.
would this be the same message he was stumbling through the other day?
all about race 30-piece? hardly! it is you who is making it all about race, because you probably have a problem with other races (and religions too Im sure)
If you guys are gonna use slang, at least learn what the hell they mean before you use them.
Being someone’s “Baby Mama” is slang for being the mother of a man’s illegitimate child. That’s one step up from calling M.O. a ho.
And as for your original comment about Michelle O saying it first…. umm, not even remotely the same thing. There’s an HUGE difference in both meaning and connotation between “my baby’s daddy” and the contracted slang “baby mama.”
That is, again, the difference between referring to someone as the father of your child and referring to someone as the mother of an illegitimate child with whom the father has no relationship.
Barack and Michelle were married before they had children, so term “baby mama” does not apply here.
I love how thin skined the liberals are, oooohhhhh WWWWAAAAAAAHHH only we can be mean to peoples wives. After years of attacks of all types on bushes family they have the gall to come back and attack US for repeating something michelle obama said!!! And then they just start making crap up!!! Nothing proves to me how unsuitable Obama is for the job than his reactions to these minor little things. And now he even has people surfing the web!!! What a weak couple this is. Bad news libs, you don’t get to tell me what I can and can’t say. Easily offended? toughen up, buttercup.
Ok, ok, MO stays….
I love “greeleystinks” comment that MM is a token brown person. Is that because she’s a successful minority? Under that claim, both Obamas would be tokens, especially Michelle O who said she doesn’t test well, yet got into Princeton. Since Princeton is inundated every year with applications from those who do test well, I wonder …
WOW is right. Guess there will be no debate if she was hot or not.
What problems with other races would you suppose that I have Karnac? I’m black and my husband is white and we get along famously. I don’t plan on throwing him under any buses.
Religions… spare me scoot. Hold that thought for another thread.
Sorry, bad joke.
Ouch Scooter36. You ok?
Yano, the more I think about it – the more I actually feel sorry for MM. It’s really sad that she doesn’t realize how Fox News is using her as their “ethnic shield”. Think about it – they didn’t go to Ann Coulter or any of the other usual suspects for comment. They went to the minority pundit instead. Can’t go to Juan Williams because they know he won’t put up with it. So I guess MM was next in line. And like a good minority, MM happily obliged.
I wish Fox would just come out and say “Hey America… don’t forget that this guy is black!!!”
Is Today Friday?
Ummm,(sarc on) this may be racist, naive and xenophobic of me (sarc off), but all this could be solved, if one would speak ENGLISH. I always have been a student of the obvious.
But he’s not despite every attempt to further the divide between himself and his white side of the family. It’s Obie and company who have trotted out his I’m black and I’m proud stance, every time they speak. He doesn’t want to be seen as a mixed race human being. He’s black and has done everything to make sure black voters see him that way. Hence Mrs. Obie’s comment that here’s…
I meant woefully. Willfully included, no correction required. Thanks.
I’m not saying thats right either, and McCain was right to be taken to task on the matter. He was wrong to do it, was publicly ridiculed and corrected on the matter. McCain is a jack@ss as well, and his wife didnt deserve to be called that name. I notice you’re not calling MO’s words out though.
That’s a good thing. You’re speechless. It saves me time from having to put you in your place again. If i’m not “worthy” to have a response to a post, that would tell me based on content you have nothing else to say.
Again, owned.
I try, dakine. Some days are harder that others LOL.
Honestly, I can claim guilt at often equating socialism and communist thought. To me, those lines often are blurred and overlap.
Socialism, as I see it, is the practice or idea of redistributing wealth and resources among members of a community or group. This kind of distribution is often handled by a central council or governing body (historically, often by governments). Karl Marx was a socialist. Hugo Chavez states he’s socialist.
Communism is incredibly alike in this fashion. It seeks to create a classless society, where workers equally share their collective gains and that everyone works for the collective good of each other. The only people who have any control over the state itself are those in those exact places of power. People like Stalin and Mao are classic examples of running things in this manner, and is commonly associated with, and influenced by, Marx.
If anyone couldnt tell from other things i’ve said, i’m a capitalist. I believe people should be free to work and enjoy the gains of their success, without limits or penalties (read: massive taxes and people crying they arent rich and that they dont have what someone else does).
Socialism/Communism both have the effect that it stiffles competition or the drive to succeed, since whatever you do is going to be given to someone else anyway. It destroys the incentive to be creative, because what you make is going to be shared by others and that you don’t really reap the gains of your hard work. Look at the Soviet Union, and how large they were and how horrible their economy was, even at its peak. North Korea is a perfect modern example of how these things keep a populace low. Kim pays more attention to Daffy Duck than he does his own people, and you can see their situation plainly.
This is the same ideology that Obama is looking to have with us here. His own talking points on his website say as much.
I seriously believe that not letting people succeed or fail in the marketplace, or their own personal lives, by taking what others work hard for and giving it to others who don’t want to work or just want a handout, and by giving less incentive to be innovative…thsee are things that will drive our country down. And before its said, yes…people sometimes do need assistance. Its the mandatated dependance it creates i’m opposed to at heart.
hope that clears it up some.
backwoods, one would think… they are out in full force.
just testing
Whoa. Ladies and Gents, this comment string is getting really unpleasant. Can’t we all take a deep breath and remember what’s important, which is helping MO’s kids??
Read all your posts…as usual, right on target
Thanks abstract. Libs assume way too much and you know what they say about assuming… well, in this case it just makes an a$$ out of them.
Well, i was torn between the fact that either they assume too much, dont know too much, dont care about the facts, or just dont know how to change their mind when presented with glaring truth and contradiction to their own points and beliefs.
who knows?
whats the old saying? A fanatic is a man who cant change his mind and wont change the subject?
how about:
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fanaticdemocrat is a man whocan’twon’t change their mind andwontwill change the subject to obstruct or remove attention from the topic at hand.Me likes!
BTW, I didn’t do so well in Vegas… the drinks will have to wait until the next trip out.
ARGH. And i was REALLY looking forward to a martini overloaded with olives.
but if i REALLY have to wait…pfft, fine.
whats wrong with being proud of being black 30 piece? or are you just upset that he doesn’t do the same to his white side?
Me too abstract… me too!
scooter36,
you’re back again with the same ‘ol tired posts. There is nothing wrong with being proud but in order to be proud of one you have to denigrate the other? Really? I have a serious problem with Obie who would mistreat his grandmother, who lovingly raised him when his mother couldn’t or wouldn’t. Forget the color of her skin… that’s his grandmother (!) but I guess that sort of thing is acceptable behavior to you. You keep attempting to steer this thread into a black versus white issue. That’s not it. This is about this man’s character and that of his wife. You do recall MLK Jr’s I Have a Dream speech, correct? What has the “great uniter” done to bring black folks together. His wife’s “My Baby Daddy” speech, just doesn’t cut the mustard.
His wife’s “My Baby Daddy”
speechrhetoric, just doesn’t cut the mustard.whats wrong with being proud of being an american. whats wrong with being proud the sky is blue…I have as much control over that as i did my skin color.
hey, libs dont care who gets thrown under the bus, regardless of color…as long as its a republican they can blame for their own errors, do they?
AK,
Now please go re-read Michelle’s post. She didn’t even say it – it was a caption. If you want to get up in arms over something, at least be correct about who you’re venting your anger at.
You aren’t interested in being “united” 30 piece. Its not just about bringing black folks together, he’s attempting to unite us all.
Scooter,
Obama can’t unite america with his background in black liberation theology. He can’t unite us if he dispises us.
Abstract, you’re assumption doesn’t make it fact.
you almost had me sono
Obama is not going to or trying to unite anyone except for the radical anti-Republic/anti-Capitalist forces that have been attempting to destroy this nation as we know it for about 100 years. Americans are just weak-minded enough now to buy his crap. A generation ago he couldn’t have been elected president, not because of his skin color which is a non-player for about everyone I know, but because he is walking, living proof that McCarthy was right and just had the wrong approach.
I’m a little surprised at Michelle Malkin (I’d say “Michelle” alone… ut there are a lot of Michelles in this story) trying to minimize this – the “baby mama” line seems poorly chosen and in poor taste, and since the term usually refers to an unwed mother – something I’m guessing Ms. Malkin opposes glamorizing anyway – it seems like a gimme to call it out of bounds and ask Fox to call it a mistake that shouldn’t be repeated. I thought it detracted from an otherwise worthwhile segment of saying Mrs. Obama’s statements and campaigning are certainly within the bounds of criticism. It hardly seems like “Obama’s Baby Mama” will help Fox, or the efforts of Republicans to make criticizing Mrs. Obama serious and fair.
Scooter,
Then its a good thing it was sarcasm and not just me assuming.
Thanks for noticing the difference!!!
By the way…
You’re right about Obama wanting to “unite us”.
Of course, “us” are liberals and democrats, and screw the rest who dont agree. Is that right?
Over and…I’m outta here.
I wasn’t trying to get you, I was trying to inform you. Obama has a 22 year plus history in a church that teaches black liberation theology. They aren’t even shy about admiting it. Look it up. You can’t stay 22 years in a group like this without either knowing about it or agreeing with it. Obama is using popular slogans and scapegoatism to get people to ignore this whole side of himself. Even according to him, it is key to who he is yet he tries to frame it as a “distraction”, or tries to call you a “racist” if you dare look into it. He is a politician so I ignore what he says and look into what he does and has done. That is why I would vote third party this year if we didn’t have such a very dangerous radical running in the form of Obama.
I agree, sonofdy, especially with only reason to not vote 3rd party. Actually, Obama and SCOTUS nominees are the ONLY reason I am voting for McCain as I disagree with 90% of his platforms and positions and think he too will be horrible for America.
another 49-51 election…. sigh….
Hey sonofdy – you should vote for Bob Barr! Go on, help out Obama!
Sort of like 30′s marriage. She’s black, her hubbie is white. I’d say she’s interested in being “united”, and has taken steps to do so…
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The problem, AK, is the Democrats are stuck with a candidate and his wife who fall into such ghetto-derived terminology when they haven’t been heavily coached on what to say or been given a carefully scripted speech to read.
And that’s another reason why Obama is terrified of “town hall” type debates where he has to interact with real people and has to think on his feet. Conversely, McCain is not good with delivering speeches and teleprompters but he can handle the public Q&A sessions – at least much better than Obama can.
By the way – “Babydaddy” is defined as, according to the Urban Dictionary, “The father of a woman’s child, used to denote that the father is neither the mother’s husband or boyfriend, but just the sperm donor.”
Babydaddy – Urban Dictionary
Oh, and Angry Kneegrow, I can’t post the definition of my “non-contracted” baby’s daddy here but folks can also check that out at the Urban Dictiontary:
Baby’s Daddy – Urban Dictionary
Judging from the above emails and the post on NPR “taping” a live show, I would say it is reasonable to believe that some democraps are racist.
purplepeep, I’m used to better from you. Pretty questionable and borderline stuff my man. The Obamas couldn’t have a less “ghetto” background. C’mon man, you’re better than that.
Unite us under the continuing, festive clown car parade known as liberalism?
The only reason many black folks are voting for Obummer is because a)he’s black and b)they need their free chump change from the rest of the clueless taxpayers.
You really think Obummer can unite a country that is split along partisan lines 50/50? You fulfill the perfect requirement for the demographic Obummer is invested in: the clueless dupe vote.
Yeah, he’s interested in raising taxes… he may say those who earn $250,000 or more now but what about later when that won’t cut it.
What about illegal immigration which cuts across socio-economic and racial lines?
When Obummer gets away from his whole whole cult of personality focus and actually discusses what he intends to do for the country, besides downsizing and destabilizing the military, then, perhaps he’ll be taken seriously.
The one reason I know that this guy isn’t a friend of the military is because he’s got Merrill McPeak, the worst Air Force chief, in the history of that branch. That convinced me right there that this guy wasn’t serious about improving the military. Just another smoke and mirror tactic.
Unity is all well and good but if it’s not based on any real ideas except the whole “I hate Bush,” “I hate the military” dynamic, I’ll pass thanks.