Conservatives to McCain: Visit ANWR

By Michelle Malkin  •  June 12, 2008 03:44 PM

John McCain is stubbornly and foolishly sticking to his No ANWR drilling talking points (video here in case you missed it).

McCain needs to do what he keeps pressing Barack Obama to do on Iraq (and rightly so): Get on the ground and talk to the people who know the terrain best.

The calls for McCain to visit ANWR are mounting. See here and here.

What are they waiting for?

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  1. #348761
    On June 12th, 2008 at 3:48 pm, sonofdy said:

    It is hard to see with your eyes closed and your fingers firmly in your ears.

  2. #348768
    On June 12th, 2008 at 3:52 pm, meatpieandtatters said:

    Sure, send him to ANWR and let the mosquitoes eat him alive. Short term solutions won’t fix anything. ANWR won’t solve the energy crisis. It would only extend US oil’s viability another few decades and wouldn’t impact pricing at all.

  3. #348777
    On June 12th, 2008 at 3:57 pm, allrsn said:

    On June 11th, 2008 at 10:24 pm, pabarge said:
    I plan on having my say in November on Election Day.

    If the price of diesel fuel is over $2.50 I’m going to pull the Democrat lever.

    Just sayin’ … this kind of thing is 8 years too late. The RINOs could have pulled this off at any point between 2000 and 2006 and they did not.

    wow, you have not been paying attention have you. It is the socialists who will not allow us to drill our oil!! (but its ok if china does) The oil companies and conservatives have been scream about this shortage for 30 years. Voting for the socialist party is exactly what they expect you to do.

    Stop falling for the propaganda machine.

  4. #348785
    On June 12th, 2008 at 4:01 pm, AtypicalWhiteGuy said:

    Drill here Drill Now Pay Less.

    Why is McCain not listening?

  5. #348787
    On June 12th, 2008 at 4:01 pm, Papa Louie said:

    He said that he opposed drilling in ANWR for the same reason that he “would not drill in the Grand Canyon… I believe this area should be kept pristine.”

    I hate to break it to ya, McCain, but it became the Grand Canyon because Mother Nature drilled it! (You should know because it was only a little ditch when you were a kid.)

  6. #348793
    On June 12th, 2008 at 4:05 pm, Mister P said:

    Plus we damned the river that created the Grand Canyon for ENERGY and WATER!

    Just ONE more reason to NOT vote for McCain. At least with Obama we can have Republicans with an ounce of sense fighting the Democrats.

  7. #348794
    On June 12th, 2008 at 4:06 pm, mike volpe said:

    I am all for drilling as well, however we are NOT going to drill our way into energy independence. Drilling in ANWR as well as several other places will certainly bring the price of gas down in the short term. In the long term, there needs to be a policy that produces all sorts of alternative energy sources. While I am with the conservatives on drilling, I think that Conservatives seem to think that is all that needs to be done. Drilling is only the beginning. There needs to be a strategy to create a plethora of alternative energy sources. They did it in Brazil and there is no reason for America to be addicted to oil. Here is my idea.

  8. #348801
    On June 12th, 2008 at 4:10 pm, SPCOlympics said:

    If we can’t drill in ANWR because it’s so precious, why do we still allow drilling in beautiful, sunny California? I see pumps in the hills next to scenic portions of highways 5 and 101. We have platforms off of the Santa Barbara coast, which by the way, gets a ton more tourists than ANWR.

    So if we can’t drill in the moon like ANWR or 50 miles off the coast where noone lives, where CAN we drill?

  9. #348806
    On June 12th, 2008 at 4:11 pm, Marshall Russ said:

    Brazil is taking flack for encroaching on the rain forest and planting sugar cane for ethanol production. They announced their independence after the huge offshore oil discovery

  10. #348809
    On June 12th, 2008 at 4:12 pm, Mister P said:

    While I am with the conservatives on drilling, I think that Conservatives seem to think that is all that needs to be done

    I don’t think that is true at all. In fact I doubt if conservatives mind a tax on oil. That tax can find alternatives like Cold Fusion or Tesla’s coil. What conservatives want is to not send trillions of dollars overseas, when we could be using the money for our OWN welfare right here.

  11. #348816
    On June 12th, 2008 at 4:14 pm, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

    He really should go.

    That oil, even if some of it winds up being sold to Japan, still lowers the world price, benefits our consumers and whether sold to Japan or sent to California in lieu of foreign crude, helps the balance of trade.

    I try to explain my view to people genuinely concerned about McCain, (no point explaining to the Mobies), why Obama is just so bad they should hold their nose and vote for the RINO, but when McCain pushes amnesty, or makes stupid pronouncements about ANWR, it doesn’t make it easy.

    I do think, once McCain gets into office (if he wins), Democrat opposition will stiffen his backbone, and he won’t govern in quite the bipartisan (MSM) or RINO way he has been in the Senate.

    That might be wishful thinking, but when one is driven by ego, as McCain is, Dem attacks on him will probably make him push back.

  12. #348817
    On June 12th, 2008 at 4:15 pm, mike volpe said:

    Mister P, we would still be sending trillions overseas, but just not as many trillions. Again, drilling is all good and well, however if the predominant portion of our energy source comes from oil, then most of it will also come from overseas.

    Furthermore, if you are really a conservative then you should be for a conservative solution to our energy needs. That is what I came up with, and you can check that out. There is no need to tax and mandate our way to energy independence.

  13. #348818
    On June 12th, 2008 at 4:15 pm, khan said:

    While I am with the conservatives on drilling, I think that Conservatives seem to think that is all that needs to be done. Drilling is only the beginning. There needs to be a strategy to create a plethora of alternative energy sources.

    That is all that needs to be done, both by government and by the oil companies. If you wish to find an alternative fuel and energy source, then invest in some start-up companies looking for opportunities in the marketplace. Why is this oil’s or government’s job?

  14. #348820
    On June 12th, 2008 at 4:16 pm, Christian Soldier said:

    OKKKKKK
    I’ll ask again……

    LESSER OF TWO EVILS >>>>>>>>>>>ANYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!

    LOTE

  15. #348821
    On June 12th, 2008 at 4:16 pm, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

    #7

    The logical extension, if drilling is ok offshore Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama, and oil production is still allowed offshore California, why is it bad off the other states?

    Or are Texas et al less deserving of pristine beaches?

  16. #348822
    On June 12th, 2008 at 4:17 pm, sambo said:

    mike volpe said:
    I am all for drilling as well, however we are NOT going to drill our way into energy independence.

    As long as we can produce enough to keep the prices down and the market supplied.

  17. #348824
    On June 12th, 2008 at 4:17 pm, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

    Same people opposed to oil, and shrieking about greenhouse gases, also oppose nuclear.

    As if they are trying to cripple our capitalist economy…

  18. #348826
    On June 12th, 2008 at 4:18 pm, Marshall Russ said:

    There are enough taxes on oil. That’s part of the problem. To much money going to the government and down a rat hole. That’s not the same rat hole that starts a drilling rig drilling for oil.

  19. #348827
    On June 12th, 2008 at 4:18 pm, mike volpe said:

    Khan, it isn’t, and in fact, my plan is to create such huge tax breaks that it sparks entrepeneurs, however we first need to create the tax breaks. In fact, conservatives need to demand that government get further out of the way so that entrepeneurs can do their jobs.

  20. #348830
    On June 12th, 2008 at 4:20 pm, mike volpe said:

    Prices down to what Sambo. We are still sending trillions to the Middle East. The mistake that some here are making, in my opinion, is thinking that drilling is in and of itself some sort of magic bullet. It isn’t. It will help relieve some of the problems, but it won’t fundamentally change the issue.

  21. #348833
    On June 12th, 2008 at 4:21 pm, tre said:

    Juan McAmnesty thinks he knows more than anyone else. For instance. There’s lots of data showing how illegal immigration is bad for the country, but he supports it anyway.

    There’s more than 3,000 scientists who say that global warming is just hot-air. But he believes it anyway.

    We can show him that desolate tundra and how it’s good for nothing. But he’ll still be against drilling.

  22. #348837
    On June 12th, 2008 at 4:24 pm, sonofdy said:

    #13

    (gritting teeth)

    McCain, although he is making it damn hard to say it. If Obama wasn’t so clearly dangerous I would be voting third party.

    When the $^%# will he wake up?

  23. #348838
    On June 12th, 2008 at 4:25 pm, sambo said:

    mike volpe said:
    Prices down to what Sambo. We are still sending trillions to the Middle East.

    down to reasonable. there is no short term solution besides drilling, which of course is not so short term. in the 1980’s they were going to build 100 coal to gas plants. the decision alone brough the price from $39 to 8 bucks a barrel. So, of course they only built 1.

  24. #348840
    On June 12th, 2008 at 4:26 pm, khan said:

    #18:

    There is a plan; it’s called the FairTax. Get on the horn and urge your congressmen to move the bill to debate.

  25. #348841
    On June 12th, 2008 at 4:26 pm, RobM1981 said:

    Long term issues, no. There’s no denying that, long term, we need to get off of oil.

    But what if ANWR and the new Gulf areas being proposed are huge fields? Could they help us keep gas at $4/gallon, instead of the $6, or $7 that we’re facing in the coming years? Could they buy us the time needed to get some of the better ideas up to speed?

    As we’ve said time, and time, and time again – we don’t have a common sense candidate. We have a pretty boy ignoramus, and a not-so-pretty not-so-boyish ignoramus.

    I’m really not looking to be mean, but there’s not a lick of brains between them.

  26. #348843
    On June 12th, 2008 at 4:27 pm, abstractmind said:

    On June 12th, 2008 at 4:15 pm, khan said

    I agree. This is something the private sector should be heading up. In the end, the competition and innovation will bring us better products and prices in the end.

  27. #348846
    On June 12th, 2008 at 4:28 pm, henryinga said:

    McCain, go to ANWAR, then come back and say you’re against drilling there. I have yet heard you give a legitement reason for not drilling. You want to win the election? Get off your lazy butt and say you’re all for drilling there and anywhere else there’s oil. Dependence on alternative energy sources is too far away, but just the thought of drilling for new oil will bring the gas prices down, or so say some of the experts on O’Reilly and Glen Beck.
    Stating you will drill in ANWAR will lose you a lot of liberal votes, but you could pick up twice as many Conservative votes, along with many Independent’s votes.
    For once show some backbone and give the American people what they want. You want to lead this Country? You never will as long as you act more like a liberal than a Conservative. People won’t be voting for Barack Hussein Obama as much as they’ll be voting against you. Stand up for America and the American People, Senator McCain.

  28. #348850
    On June 12th, 2008 at 4:31 pm, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:
  29. #348855
    On June 12th, 2008 at 4:34 pm, DesertLover said:

    How about we make the Congress critters get off their behinds as follows:

    1. Drill … ANWR, Gulf, Florida and California Coasts, and anywhere else we find oil …

    2. Refineries … suspend the insane amount of reports, etc., and fast-track new ones … meanwhile … re-open some of the over 150 refineries that were forced to close due to the enviro-nuts since 1982 …

    3. One Gasoline … drop all the different blends around the country and make only one blend of gasoline … reducing costs in refining, pipeline delivery, etc. and an increase in available gasoline supply …

    4. Alternative energy … there are 2 parts to this one …

    A. Give 100% tax credit across 5 tax years (50-20-15-10-5) to homeowners and business for their costs of installing things like solar, wind, thermal, etc.

    B. Give tax subsidies or tax breaks to companies that are developing forms of alternative energy.

    C. Nuclear … fast track the construction of at least 2 nuclear plants in every state …

    Any feedback out there? Other recommendations?

  30. #348858
    On June 12th, 2008 at 4:38 pm, jamesgreenidge said:

    McCain Needs A Gracefully Macho Way To Say I Changed My Mind

    McCain – it’s a damn FROZEN DESERT, not Bambi’s playground that the greens and media have brainwashed everyone!

    James Greenidge
    Queens NY

  31. #348866
    On June 12th, 2008 at 4:41 pm, sam.i.am said:

    we can’t drill our way to energy independence.
    we can’t deport all the illegals.
    we can’t win the war in Iraq.
    we can’t eat whatever we want.
    we can’t drive our SUV’s.
    we can’t keep our thermostats at 72 degrees.
    Need I go on. . .

    I wish people would stand up, start acting like Americans, and say, “YES WE CAN!”

    I am so sick of waffling wuss-asses of whimpitude always letting best stomp all over better.

    With a combination of drilling for domestic oil, nuclear, oil-shale, solar, ethanol, waterwheels, rubberbands, and antimatter we can get to energy independence.

    With a combination of border security, employer enforcement, identification security, deportation, and arresting everyone at Cinco de Mayo parades, we can solve the illegal alien problem.

    Get the best plan, execute it, be determined, be flexible. We need to stay optimistic and positive and make these things happen, starting with the congress. We conservatives on this blog are an army of like-minded individuals. It’s time to step out of the catacombs, find people like ourselves to support, and do what it takes to convert the rest to our way of thinking.

  32. #348867
    On June 12th, 2008 at 4:41 pm, Blind_Mule said:

    sonofdy said:
    It is hard to see with your eyes closed and your thumb fingers firmly in up your ears a$$.

    There fixed it for ya. :smile:

  33. #348870
    On June 12th, 2008 at 4:42 pm, sonofdy said:

    works that way as well

  34. #348872
    On June 12th, 2008 at 4:43 pm, J S Ragman said:

    For hundreds of years, the world’s main fuel supply was wood. Then, it shifted over to coal. More recently, it has become oil, and natural gas. Along the way, we discovered that whales had large oil reservoirs in their bodies, and hunted them almost to extinction to fuel lamps.

    I think most people understand that although there may be large oil reserves in many places of the world, nobody expects it to last forever. But the more government gets involved in dictating where and when we can use the resources, the more fouled up the process gets.

    Why should it be the oil companies responsibility to put themselves out of a job by finding the next breakthrough?

    Granted, there can and should be incentives for entrepreneurs to find and develop new processes to get us where we want to go. Thirty years ago, the idea that everyone would someday have their own personal computer was only in the mind of Bill Gates and a few pioneers. Thanks to him, we can all sit at our keyboards and solve all of the world’s problems.

    As humans, we are at the top of the food chain. Why shouldn’t we enjoy the view?

  35. #348875
    On June 12th, 2008 at 4:46 pm, SPCOlympics said:

    #28

    Give a tax breaks or discounted power to people who live near a refinery or nuclear power plant.

    A big part of the problem with building or running large facilities is the NIMBY attitude.

  36. #348876
    On June 12th, 2008 at 4:47 pm, Blind_Mule said:

    Mister P said:
    At least with Obama we can have Republicans with an ounce of sense fighting the Democrats.

    Wow, you can tell a difference between the parties. I am having more and more trouble distinguishing the two. I personally stoped describing my self as Republican a few years ago, I now describe myself as a Conservative.

  37. #348880
    On June 12th, 2008 at 4:48 pm, Nobility said:

    Note to commenters!
    37 months STNP was to add 2 more generating plants. For the greenies, they had covered 4 stations, enviro, cooling pond land and so. Still having meetings with the wacko’s. 37 months and waiting for the first shovel full.

    As a note please wave to Nancy as she flys overhead in her supersized jet on our dime to get to the vinyard and tell her illegals that she cares.

  38. #348882
    On June 12th, 2008 at 4:50 pm, DesertLover said:

    SPCOlympics #34

    Good point …

  39. #348883
    On June 12th, 2008 at 4:50 pm, John Ansell said:

    What are they waiting for?

    McAmnesty is waiting for La Raza to give him the go ahead but if the USA has it’s own supply, we wouldn’t need so much from Mexico so, with McAmnesty representing Mexico, I doubt he’ll change his mind.

  40. #348889
    On June 12th, 2008 at 4:52 pm, RedDog said:

    My g_d! This is what we have to look forward to? The Republicans allowed the Dems and their Media water carriers to select our candidate and now we have to sit back and let this jackass flog us for good measure? This can’t get any more insane! Please tell me I’m just having a nightmare and I’ll wake up soon. Serenity now, serenity now……..

  41. #348890
    On June 12th, 2008 at 4:53 pm, SW0303 said:

    I am tired of hearing it will take x amount of years before we see any yields from drilling for new oil. So what. The sooner we start the sooner we will receive the benefits.

    DRILL HERE, DRILL NOW, PAY LESS

  42. #348892
    On June 12th, 2008 at 4:54 pm, Blind_Mule said:

    Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:
    As if they are trying to cripple our capitalist economy…

    Ding, Ding, Ding Ed you win the prize for having a clue. :smile:

  43. #348893
    On June 12th, 2008 at 4:54 pm, DesertLover said:

    Nobility

    37 months is nothing … Arizona Clean Fuels has been fighting to build a refinery since 1998 … with 3 changes of site due to the enviro-crap …

    Details here

    They currently anticipate it going online in 2012 …

  44. #348896
    On June 12th, 2008 at 4:56 pm, Azygos said:

    DL,
    Whats the latest on the refinery they were going to build in Arizona? Have not heard anything since they announced one would be built here.

    What would be the point of McCain going to Alaska? How many of you have been out there? He would probably see bears, foxes, birds, caribou (maybe) do a little fishing. Would be a very nice vacation except for the mosquitos.

    Drilling in ANWR is not practical at this time. There is no pipeline to transport the oil and even in summer the pack ice can and does blow across any proposed shipping lanes. ANWR at this time is a pipe dream. I worked on the first hole punched in the Hammerhead field back in the 80’s. Costs were upward of $500,000 per day for the drill ship and support boats. What must it cost 25 years later? Drilling off our lower 48 coasts is a far better and more cost effective idea. As for wind turbans and solar panels how much oil is used to mine, refine, mold, transport, install etc… for a very inefficient mode of producing energy. Probably better to just burn the oil and produce the energy. And turning our food into fuel sounds just as stupid.

  45. #348898
    On June 12th, 2008 at 4:58 pm, orlandocajun said:

    RedDog, the sheeple have spoken and they will suffer their stupidity. To those of us with brains have to suffer with them. It doesn’t matter whether Obama or McCain is President. We’re screwed either way.

    This conservative to McCain…please drop out of the race and let Hunter or Thompson take your place for the love of God and the survival of America!

  46. #348903
    On June 12th, 2008 at 5:05 pm, Dimsdale said:

    On June 12th, 2008 at 4:06 pm, mike volpe said:

    I am all for drilling as well, however we are NOT going to drill our way into energy independence. Drilling in ANWR as well as several other places will certainly bring the price of gas down in the short term. In the long term, there needs to be a policy that produces all sorts of alternative energy sources. While I am with the conservatives on drilling, I think that Conservatives seem to think that is all that needs to be done. Drilling is only the beginning. There needs to be a strategy to create a plethora of alternative energy sources. They did it in Brazil and there is no reason for America to be addicted to oil. Here is my idea.

    I like your ideas. They have serious merit. The real obstacle is to get know it all politicians that want to make a dishonest buck off the work of others of the backs of those others. Some sort of guaranteed tax incentive would be helpful, be it individuals or corporations. Give them total control of the patents for fifty years.

    I vote to get rid of the National Endowment for the Arts and instead, use the monies for something like the National Endowment for the Entrepreneurial Arts. Get rid of the “elephant dung Virgin Mary sculptures” and fund real, innovative ideas for helping America. Start programs and competitions in elementary school and above to stimulate thinking in this area.

    This country was made great through unimpeded innovation and entrepreneurial enterprise. Once government got into the act, strangling innovation in an attempt to redistribute wealth, the country began to fall behind.

    It is time to let us do what we do best.

  47. #348911
    On June 12th, 2008 at 5:11 pm, alaskangrizzly said:

    All of these politicians screaming about ANWR have never been to or seen Alaska except from a postcard.

    I lived in Anchorage for 12 years before moving to where I am now and Alaskans while I was there was overwhelmingly in favor of drilling for oil and also for collecting the natural gas in ANWR. The north slope proved that oil facilities and the elevated pipeline have little to no impact on caribou herds who move freely under that elevated pipeline and migrate and eat freely around oil installations with little care for the oil we already pump out of Alaska.

    The proposed drilling sites is microscopic compared the actual wildlife refuge acres.

    If ANWR was a state, it would be larger than 10 other states;

    Size of ANWR relative to U.S. states:

    1. ANWR 19.0 million acres
    Portion of ANWR permanently closed to development (Wilderness & Refuge) 17.5 million
    2. West Virginia 15.5
    3. Maryland 6.6
    4. Vermont 6.1
    5. New Hampshire 5.9
    6. Massachusetts 5.3
    7. New Jersey 4.9
    8. Hawaii 4.1
    9. Connecticut 3.2
    Area proposed for exploration 1.5 million
    10. Delaware 1.3
    11. Rhode Island .7

    This is all about politics and Democrats wanting to keep you mis-informed to push their twisted and damning agenda. They want you to believe that drilling for more oil (supply) to meet the current need for oil (demand) will not lower gas prices. They must have graduated from the same public schools as lgm, because in a sane world increasing supply to meet the demand lowers prices.

  48. #348917
    On June 12th, 2008 at 5:15 pm, alaskangrizzly said:

    P.S. I agree with your assesment mike volpe:

    I am all for drilling as well, however we are NOT going to drill our way into energy independence. Drilling in ANWR as well as several other places will certainly bring the price of gas down in the short term. In the long term, there needs to be a policy that produces all sorts of alternative energy sources. While I am with the conservatives on drilling, I think that Conservatives seem to think that is all that needs to be done. Drilling is only the beginning. There needs to be a strategy to create a plethora of alternative energy sources.

  49. #348922
    On June 12th, 2008 at 5:18 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    Here is the text of an e-mail I sent to the campaign.

    Feel free to copy as needed.

    I’ll begin by saying I am not your biggest fan. A few of your pet causes (i.e., McCain-Feingold) leave a sour taste in my mouth.

    However, the thought of Barack Obama moving into the White House in January makes me ill. His ultra-liberal, socialist policies would destroy the American economy, national security, the rights of conservative religious, and remove all protection for the infirm and unborn.

    But you are doing little to encourage me to vote for you.

    Like most Americans, I feel the financial strain with regard to rising gas prices, food, housing and taxes. There is something you can do to live up to the nickname “Maverick” – you can press Congress and President Bush to lift the asinine laws stifling drilling for oil in ANWR and the Gulf of Mexico.

    The only way to ease the burden on American families is to put more oil in the market. American oil fields hold billions of barrels that would create enough energy to serve America for years – if not decades – to come. Additionally, drilling for American oil would cut our dependence on oil supplied by Middle Eastern nations and help the world economy by removing American demand from the global supply of oil.

    Barack Obama and the liberals who support him love high gas prices because they force people to limit how they drive, what they drive, where they drive and how they live. It is an environmentalist’s dream, but the nightmare of many American citizens who wince as they put $40, $50, $60 of gas in their tanks.

    Polls show a majority of Americans support drilling in ANWR and the Gulf of Mexico. It would behoove your campaign to come out in strong support of drilling.

    Much like you’ve called on Barack Obama to visit Iraq to understand the war and the conditions of the battlefield, I’m asking you to visit ANWR and the off-shore drilling sites. Get to know the technology and see how building drilling sites and refineries would not destroy the beautiful American landscape.

    I’m fairly certain your popularity would shoot through the roof if you did this and advocated American energy independence through drilling for oil on American soil.

    McCain’s mailing address:

    Mailing Address
    John McCain 2008
    P.O. Box 16118
    Arlington, VA 22215

    McCain’s telephone:

    (703) 418-2008

  50. #348924
    On June 12th, 2008 at 5:19 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    …wind turbans…

    I’m all for wind turbans, but how do you get the electricity off your head?

    Nah, just tweaking you…:)

    I read this week there’s a ton of oil in Montana if you drill sideways into a very narrow layer.

  51. #348925
    On June 12th, 2008 at 5:20 pm, DesertLover said:

    Azygos

    check the Tucson paper link in my #42 … also here is the refinery company link …

    AZ Refinery

    They expect to be online now in 2012 …

  52. #348935
    On June 12th, 2008 at 5:25 pm, et said:

    To all politicians, whatever your persuasion, all the money that I could donate to you I am instead sending overseas to fill my tank with gasoline.

  53. #348950
    On June 12th, 2008 at 5:34 pm, Azygos said:

    On June 12th, 2008 at 5:19 pm, AlohaGuy said:
    …wind turbans…

    Heh, thats what I get for not proof reading.

    “Turbine”

  54. #348955
    On June 12th, 2008 at 5:36 pm, jamesgreenidge said:

    Greens, if drilling in “pristine” (o the holy word!) frozen desert ANWR is such a temp energy fix to you, then why is Russia ardently staking claims of all that seabed under the North Pole? ANWR = Arctic Ocean? Think people!

    James Greenidge
    Queens NY

  55. #348961
    On June 12th, 2008 at 5:39 pm, alaskangrizzly said:

    then why is Russia ardently staking claims of all that seabed under the North Pole?

    Because Russia isn’t stupid. The same sadly can’t be said for our leadership on Capitol Hill and the moonbats and enviro-nuts on the left and RINO’s on the right opposing drilling that other countries are more than happy to snatch up any way they can.

  56. #348969
    On June 12th, 2008 at 5:44 pm, zorro said:

    Old Juan McCain is too prideful to visit ANWR.

    He’s a sap. The left is playing him like a fiddle.

  57. #348975
    On June 12th, 2008 at 5:52 pm, Azygos said:

    Greens, if drilling in “pristine” (o the holy word!) frozen desert

    Desert, yes, frozen, well yes most of the year but quite beautiful year round in its own way. Summers even more so. Just watch out for holes in the tundra.

    Again, why would anybody want to inflict juan McCain on those poor caribou. What did they ever do to deserve that?

  58. #349007
    On June 12th, 2008 at 6:46 pm, nyc123me said:

    “What are they waiting for?”
    – for hell to freeze over, apparently.

  59. #349008
    On June 12th, 2008 at 6:46 pm, behiker said:

    This Michael Ramirez editorial cartoon seems appropriate.

  60. #349009
    On June 12th, 2008 at 6:49 pm, John Ansell said:

    NYC123me, the cubs won again and are still in first. Hell is freezing over.

  61. #349024
    On June 12th, 2008 at 7:10 pm, Freddy said:

    sam.i.am – #31 – I think you are absolutely correct! What we really need are politicians that can bring that mentality to office.

    And the truth of it all is that this is exactly why Reagan was able to create ‘Reagan Democrats’ in the first place.

    Today all we get are guys that just mill around trying to avoid confrontation while stuffing their pockets.

    As fro Mccain going to

  62. #349026
    On June 12th, 2008 at 7:12 pm, Freddy said:

    - typo – As for Mccain going top ANWR, as I recall, it was his last visit to Alaska that convinced him that global warming was real.

  63. #349027
    On June 12th, 2008 at 7:13 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    On June 12th, 2008 at 6:46 pm, behiker said:
    This Michael Ramirez editorial cartoon seems appropriate.

    That sizes it up. If we NEVER drill, oil will NEVER come on line.

    DRILL NOW.

  64. #349028
    On June 12th, 2008 at 7:13 pm, Die Hippie, Die said:

    On June 12th, 2008 at 4:16 pm, Christian Soldier said:

    OKKKKKK
    I’ll ask again……

    LESSER OF TWO EVILS >>>>>>>>>>>ANYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!

    LOTE

    Well, it’s one note Johhny.

    Here’s my answer: I shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe…if you come up with an original post.

  65. #349032
    On June 12th, 2008 at 7:17 pm, xblade said:

    I think that Conservatives seem to think that is all that needs to be done. Drilling is only the beginning.

    BS. I know of no Conservative, politician or non-politician, that says we should drill only, and any who do believe that are in the extreme minority, and are fools. We have no problem with alternative energy sources when and if they become available, but right now, this country is powered by oil, and will be until something better comes along, which may be 20 years from now. In the meantime, we have about 139 billion barrels of oil available right here at home we could be using. That alone would last us about 20 years if we imported zero oil from anyone else. This doesn’t even include things like oil shale, coal to oil, etc.

    We have enough coal resources in this country to power us for at least 200 years, and enough natural gas to power us for at least 1,000 years…all off limits because of federal and state governments. And nuclear? Gasp,don’t even THINK about it.

    There needs to be a strategy to create a plethora of alternative energy sources. They did it in Brazil and there is no reason for America to be addicted to oil.

    There is a strategy: It’s called the free market. Whoever develops a viable, alternative energy source will be the richest person ever in the history of this planet, and there are plenty of folks already working on it.

    They did it in Brazil and there is no reason for America to be addicted to oil.

    There is a reason, a very good reason to be “addicted” to oil now, for the same reason we are addicted to food: Because there isn’t a viable alternative, and wishing there was won’t make it so.

    By the way, you know how Brazil achieved energy independence? Despite what the leprechaun(O’reilly) believes, they drilled for oil, and they found it. It’s not because of sugar ethanol, at least not primarily. So I agree, we should do just what Brazil did. DRILL!! If it’s ok for them to be “addicted” to oil(because they are, only it’s THEIR oil), it’s ok for America to be.

  66. #349033
    On June 12th, 2008 at 7:18 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    If McCain and the Republican party had any sense at all they’d be repeating this loud and often:

    DRILL NOW!!!

    GO NUCLEAR!!

    ENERGY INDEPENDENCE!!

    YES WE CAN!!!

    To paraphrase a line in an obnoxious lawyer’s commercial:

    “ITS OUR OIL AND WE WANT IT NOW”

  67. #349040
    On June 12th, 2008 at 7:24 pm, lonewolf said:

    I have previously mentioned on other MM topics that I am a Petroleum Geologist with 55 years experience in the oil business, including time in Canada and Alaska.
    nyone familiar with current artic drilling and production practice should know there is no environmental reason not to operate there.
    To object because “we cannot drill our way out” is illogical. So what? We need to explore all potential energy sources.
    No one knows how much oil is there until it is drilled.
    To object because there are “no pipelines” is a chicken/egg argument. The Trans-Alaska pipeline is in place. Building feeder lines would be relatively childs-play.
    McCains ignorant statement that he would not drill in the Grand Canyon or Everglades is irrelevant. Although neither would be harmed by drilling,the geology of both is not conducive to oil accumulation.

  68. #349045
    On June 12th, 2008 at 7:31 pm, DesertLover said:

    The problem with the Brazil solution is that now they are cutting down massive areas of the rain forest in order to plant the additional sugar cane that they need to produce their form of ethanol … this causes even more problems in the atmosphere because the rain forest is vital to the earth as a whole …

    BTW … pure ethanol has been proven to produce more pollutants than pure gasoline … not to mention the additional wear and tear it causes on engine parts … because it does not burn as hot during combustion therefore producing less horsepower and less gas mileage compared to gasoline …

    So expect sugar prices to skyrocket right along side corn prices … check every label in your pantry and tell me what percentage of the items there do not have some form of sugar or corn sweetener (usually fructose, sometimes sucrose) listed in the ingredients … few and far between … more increases to food costs …

    Food is food … it is intended for human consumption and human energy needs … not to run engines …

  69. #349052
    On June 12th, 2008 at 7:42 pm, Azygos said:

    lonewolf,

    I was not suggesting that we don’t develop ANWR just pointing out some minor logistics need to be resolved first. Its going to take time to build rigs (don’t know what the worldwide situation is maybe you do) and get them out to where they can start poking holes in the ground. I was suggesting maybe wrongly that drilling in the lower 48 may be more cost/equipment efficient to start with.

  70. #349055
    On June 12th, 2008 at 7:52 pm, geminicontender said:

    What really pisses me off is that Congress won’t allow us a damn thing towards providing more energy. And the rest of the pessimists say the supply won’t last that long. Hate to differ (not really). But it’s not all about oil. It’s about nuclear energy, flex fuels to extend our supplies of oil. Seems like Utah and I believe Montana are ready to roll on.
    And where the hell does Congress get off on telling the oil companies to change their venue. Tha’s like telling Roger Clemens he has to now be a forward in soccer to save…….whatever. Congress needs a complete rehaul and so does the Supreme Court after their horrible resolution re:terrorist in Cuba. sheesh….what the hell is going on with this country.

  71. #349060
    On June 12th, 2008 at 7:55 pm, John Ansell said:

    Well Look at this.

    Little Dick Durbin has some explaining to do.

    His net worth had topped $1 million in a report filed a year ago, and Shoemaker said Wednesday that Durbin’s decision to sell off holdings with any links to Sudan, the North African nation widely criticized for supporting a genocidal conflict in its Darfur region, was the primary reason for the reduction in net worth.

  72. #349061
    On June 12th, 2008 at 7:56 pm, John Ansell said:

    OOps, wrong thread. Sorry.

  73. #349063
    On June 12th, 2008 at 7:59 pm, lonewolf said:

    #69, Azygos,
    Yes, the current rig situation is tight because of increased drilling as result of run-up in price of crude.
    And, because equipment manufacture was suspended and inventory was cannabilized in the 80s when oil dropped to $11/bbl.
    That is precisely why we should act now to open ANWR and offshore while oil companies have the cash flow to explore, which, BTW, is what happens to the alleged “obscene” profits. It will take seven to ten years to get oil from the artic to market. Just because we should have done this twenty years ago is no reason to not do it now.

  74. #349071
    On June 12th, 2008 at 8:25 pm, Die Hippie, Die said:

    On June 12th, 2008 at 7:17 pm, xblade said:

    There is a strategy: It’s called the free market. Whoever develops a viable, alternative energy source will be the richest person ever in the history of this planet, and there are plenty of folks already working on it.

    Couldn’t have said it better!

  75. #349076
    On June 12th, 2008 at 8:30 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    which, BTW, is what happens to the alleged “obscene” profits.

    Exactly. Would these people please take an economics class? There is no such thing as an obscene profit.

  76. #349079
    On June 12th, 2008 at 8:38 pm, fulldroolcup said:

    “mmmmm…..frozen dessert”.

    — Homer

  77. #349080
    On June 12th, 2008 at 8:41 pm, Azygos said:

    lonewolf,

    Thats not something the Luna Chiroptera on the left can understand. If I needed a separator I had to get out my torch and metal and make one. There is no such thing as going to the oil field Home Depot. Almost everything we used, in the field was made by us in the shop from storage tanks to the buildings we used we made it.

    I chuckle when some loony starts in about Halliburton and Iraqs oil. There were probably only two companies on the planet with the resources to start to fix Iraqs oil fields.

  78. #349099
    On June 12th, 2008 at 9:01 pm, DesertLover said:

    Azygos

    Correct … and I believe the other one was European … French I do believe, but may be wrong … and they didn’t contribute to the freeing of the Iraqi people so they didn’t deserve to get in on the post-invasion reconstruction efforts …

  79. #349174
    On June 12th, 2008 at 11:03 pm, fulldroolcup said:

    “There is no such thing as an obscene profit.”

    Yes, there is: to a liberal it’s a profit they or their buddies didn’t make.

    You won’t hear them complaining, for example, about Oprah’s megamillions.

    Or Barbra Streisand’s, gained by simply vibrating her voicebox. (How unfair is that???)

    Or Hillary’s huge killing after she prayed to “Our Lady of the Miracle of the Cattle Futures”.

    Or Bill’s, for speechifying and greasing the wheels for his pals in the Emirates..

    Or Barack’s, for a ghost-written book filled with banalities and falsehoods.

    Etc.

  80. #349179
    On June 12th, 2008 at 11:18 pm, americangrunthog said:

    I don’t think you get the point. John McCain doesn’t care about you. He will never care about you. He will never care about his country, in spite of his patriotic rhetoric and military background.

    He is a man of one principle and that is, “Do what is good for John McCain.”

    McCain
    against border security (gets him illegal alien votes)
    Against drilling (gets him environut vote)
    Against Gitmo (gets him liberal voters)

    He figures the conservatives won’t pull the lever for Obama and so he takes them for granted. Nothing in it for McCain.

    McCain isn’t from Florida, and he really isn’t from Arizona. So who cares what he says about the Canyon or the glades. He is a carpet bagging opportunist, like Hillary.

    Obama is worse, but these are the cards we have been dealt.

    Vote weasel A or weasel B. Doesn’t matter.

  81. #349191
    On June 12th, 2008 at 11:36 pm, Papa Louie said:

    meatpieandtatters said:
    ANWR won’t solve the energy crisis. It would only extend US oil’s viability another few decades and wouldn’t impact pricing at all.

    How about if we try it anyway and prove you right or wrong. In any case it may buy us “another few decades” to improve alternate energy solutions. Or we could wait until the Russians make enough money from their oil to buy back (or take back) Alaska and pump out the oil for themselves. How long do you think our economy can coast on empty before our enemies notice we’re too weak to defend ourselves?

  82. #349195
    On June 12th, 2008 at 11:53 pm, vatodio said:

    I am confused.

    ANWR and offshore drilling is bad because of the potential harm to the environment; might harm the Caribus!

    Fine.

    Why are we imploring OPEC to produce more? Most likey, they will have to drill more on their land to increase the production. Won’t that harm the environment, and may be the camel and horse habitats in those regions!

    And if OPEC does extract more oil to meet the rising demand, won’t they get even richer nations?

    Only a fool would dream that the supplier nations such as Saudi Arabia, Iran, Vanezuela, and Russia would use the extra income for the good of their people and the environment.

    To put things in perspective, compare the widely publicized profits of Exxons and Chevrons against the what these tyrant nations are rakin in.

    Now imagine how much of that obscene profit would be made available to the terrorist groups to destabilize our economy!

  83. #349202
    On June 13th, 2008 at 12:09 am, love2rumba said:

    Th entire debate over ANWR drilling reminds me of Russia in the 1920s when they were debating whether to continue their quasi-experiment in capitalism the NEP(1921-1928) or to go communist cold turkey. The advocate-a scholarly bolshevik (Bukharin)- suggested that it be continued and expanded “He was said to have said to Stalin: “in order to build a house you must have money and means to buy the brick”(AKA “The Right Deviation”) whereas Leon Trotsky advocated reaching out internationally and relying on outside bolsheviks to help Russia modernize and go cold turkey to communism and skip socialism within Russia.

    Eventually Trotsky mostly won…and both Bukharin (and even Trotsky) both were executed by Stalin in the 1930s eventually-the leadership just would not listen to common sense -just like today

  84. #349203
    On June 13th, 2008 at 12:11 am, DaveC said:

    On June 12th, 2008 at 6:46 pm, behiker said:

    This Michael Ramirez editorial cartoon seems appropriate.

    I laughed, then cried.. so true.. so true..

  85. #349208
    On June 13th, 2008 at 12:18 am, radio relay said:

    if OPEC does extract more oil to meet the rising demand, won’t they become even richer nations?

    Bingo! You win the prize.

    Now guess who is paying off the democraps and their environmental buddies to keep the United States energy poor?

    Hint… It ain’t the oil companies!

  86. #349215
    On June 13th, 2008 at 1:02 am, atheling said:

    On June 12th, 2008 at 11:03 pm, fulldroolcup said:

    “There is no such thing as an obscene profit.”

    Yes, there is: to a liberal it’s a profit they or their buddies didn’t make.

    You won’t hear them complaining, for example, about Oprah’s megamillions.

    Or Barbra Streisand’s, gained by simply vibrating her voicebox. (How unfair is that???)

    Or Hillary’s huge killing after she prayed to “Our Lady of the Miracle of the Cattle Futures”.

    Or Bill’s, for speechifying and greasing the wheels for his pals in the Emirates..

    Or Barack’s, for a ghost-written book filled with banalities and falsehoods.

    Etc.

    You got that right. Reminds me of PJ O’Rourke’s commencement address to I don’t remember which university:

    The Bible is very clear about one thing: Using politics to create fairness is a sin. Observe the Tenth Commandment. The first nine commandments concern theological principles and social law: Thou shalt not make graven images, steal, kill, et cetera. Fair enough. But then there’s the tenth: “Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s house. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor anything that is thy neighbor’s.”

    Here are God’s basic rules about how we should live, a brief list of sacred obligations and solemn moral precepts. And, right at the end of it we read, “Don’t envy your buddy because he has an ox or a donkey.” Why did that make the top 10? Why would God, with just 10 things to tell Moses, include jealousy about livestock?

    Well, think about how important this commandment is to a community, to a nation, to a democracy. If you want a mule, if you want a pot roast, if you want a cleaning lady, don’t whine about what the people across the street have. Get rich and get your own.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-op-orourke4-2008may04,0,6539887.story?page=1

  87. #349219
    On June 13th, 2008 at 1:10 am, dominigan said:

    On June 12th, 2008 at 4:06 pm, mike volpe said:

    [snip] They did it in Brazil and there is no reason for America to be addicted to oil.

    Brazil uses sugar cane to create ethanol. Sugar cane produces a MUCH higher quantity of ethanol than corn. Corn is a weak substitute and a poor choice. Since growing conditions are not favorable in most of the US for growing sugar cane, this is really a poor comparison. There are other issues to consider such as water usage and transportation.

  88. #349222
    On June 13th, 2008 at 1:19 am, dominigan said:

    The Bible is very clear about one thing: Using politics to create fairness is a sin.

    Absolutely. In our Sunday school class, we’ve been going through Exodus and Leviticus. I like to point out…

    1 “Do not spread false reports. Do not help a wicked man by being a malicious witness.
    2 “Do not follow the crowd in doing wrong. When you give testimony in a lawsuit, do not pervert justice by siding with the crowd, 3 and do not show favoritism to a poor man in his lawsuit.
    – Exodus 23:1-3

  89. #349224
    On June 13th, 2008 at 1:25 am, kiwiwgranny said:

    This whole subject is a hot issue with me and has been for some time now, even before the cost of gas at the pump started shooting through the roof. My husband is a direction driller, you know one of those guys who drills oil wells. For the past 5 years he has been working in Montana and N Dakota. They are so busy drilling up there that he is hardly ever at home anymore. A couple of days ago I posted on another blog my thoughts and opinions on this subject so rather then type it all out again go to http://blog.nj.com/njv_paul_mulshine/2008/06/oils_finite_but_there_ignoranc.html

    and see what I wrote. There are three postings under kiwigranny you need to scroll down aways to find them.

  90. #349233
    On June 13th, 2008 at 2:01 am, love2rumba said:

    Remember MCCain’s membership on the Gang of 14 with respect to Conserbvative Supremem court Justices?

    Irony is a dish best served cold….

  91. #349234
    On June 13th, 2008 at 2:02 am, love2rumba said:

    My swedish is acting up..I meant to say conservative supreme court justices

  92. #349239
    On June 13th, 2008 at 2:20 am, dakine said:

    It is in fact possible to have an “obscene profit”. In cases where the free market has been corrupted, as would be the case with a rigged industry, an uneven playing field, an environment in which free riding is permitted, etc. Appropriate rules are in fact necessary for a free market to operate correctly.

  93. #349298
    On June 13th, 2008 at 8:12 am, DaveC said:

    On June 13th, 2008 at 2:20 am, dakine said:

    It is in fact possible to have an “obscene profit”. In cases where the free market has been corrupted, as would be the case with a rigged industry, an uneven playing field, an environment in which free riding is permitted, etc. Appropriate rules are in fact necessary for a free market to operate correctly.

    So.. any government contract that Bill Clinton handed out..

    Anyway..

    If anyone has been listening to Rush.. He’s gone one about Cindy Mc–Maverick (I have a hard time even saying his name) receiving ‘obscene profits’ much MUCH higher than anything the oil companies have received.. Cindy is heir to Budweiser beer…

    so to maverick.. oil profits.. bad..

    beer profits.. good..

    and no matter who wins this year, the beer profits will go up the next 4 years….

  94. #349300
    On June 13th, 2008 at 8:18 am, Barry F. said:

    On June 12th, 2008 at 5:18 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    Great letter, EQ. ;-)

  95. #349305
    On June 13th, 2008 at 8:29 am, Irish Rose said:

    On June 12th, 2008 at 4:16 pm, Christian Soldier said:

    OKKKKKK
    I’ll ask again……

    LESSER OF TWO EVILS >>>>>>>>>>>ANYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!

    LOTE

    You need to learn a new song.
    Seriously.

  96. #349310
    On June 13th, 2008 at 8:45 am, Barry F. said:

    So, Iran recognizes that they have a strategic vulnerability being hamstringed by the need to import fuel and actually build new refineries to increase their production capacity.

    So, why can’t we recognize our own vulnerability and begin our own domestic oil exploration and building of new refineries?

    The Republican Party calls and sends me request for money on a regular basis. Too bad all my extra money is going into my fuel tank. It is costing me $85-90.00 per fill-up on my vehicle right now, whereas I was paying $50-65.00 per fill-up a short while back.

    Sorry if campaign contributions are not quite up to your liking Senator McCain. We regular, everyday Americans are feeling a little pinch ourselves these days.

    Maverick? Hmmmm? I can think of a few other descriptors at this juncture but they could well get me banned from here for violating the terms of use.

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